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Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:52:00 - [1] Did they just forget to pay a bill or what? All the high fives can go in the other thread I just want to know what happened without having to look everywhere.
Space Hog Minmatar NEW DAWN CO INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:53:00 - [2] resv Recruitment
Teschan Amarr Quam Singulari Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:54:00 - [3] reserved.
Unfamed II Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:54:00 - [4] Disband of Brothers Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Verone Gallente Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:55:00 - [5] Quote: [01:32:33] Verone > hmmm [01:33:09] Seldarine > hmmm [01:33:22] Shou Ning > hmmmm [01:33:42] Verone > it would appear that RKK just left , looks like the alliance is now funny disbanded [01:33:51] Verone > *BoB [01:33:55] Seldarine > bill not paid [01:34:01] Shou Ning > ahhh [01:34:14] Verone > somehow i doubt that... lol [01:34:22] Seldarine > eh......... im on ts [01:34:25] Seldarine > bill was not paid [01:34:32] Verone > ahh lol le chuckle. It happened to us a while back, only we didn't recieve the mail warning us the bill was due... sucks when it happens. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Elitus Gallente Reikoku	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:59:00 - [6] Ill go and say this. Previous Bill was Paid on the 6th of Janurary. Previous bill before that was paid on the 6th of December. Currently looks like HAT was compromised with an inactive hacked char. Log shows 500 mil was removed from the wallet stating "mittani says hi" We are investigating
Elitus Gallente Reikoku	Posted - 2009.02.05 01:59:00 - [7] Also, No bill was issued.
DmitryEKT Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:01:00 - [8] page1. ibtl
Dark Flare Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:02:00 - [9] Ground floor.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Elitus Also, No bill was issued. So you got bills on the 6th of previous months, but didn't think you would need to pay on the 6th of Feb.
D'ceet Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Elitus Also, No bill was issued. So you got bills on the 6th of previous months, but didn't think you would need to pay on the 6th of Feb. mainly because today is the 4th of feb.
Andrzej Poastewicz Caldari THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:03:00 - [12]
Elitus Gallente Reikoku	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:04:00 - [13] Originally by: D'ceet Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Elitus Also, No bill was issued. So you got bills on the 6th of previous months, but didn't think you would need to pay on the 6th of Feb. mainly because today is the 4th of feb. And also the fact that the bill actually gets issued, on the 6th of every month. peitions are filled, we are investigating further.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:04:00 - [14] Originally by: D'ceet mainly because today is the 4th of feb. Well maybe where you are. But its the 5th here. And one would have thought you would make sure you had funds available to pay a bill due the next day... Just saying
DorianGr3y Gallente THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Elitus Currently looks like HAT was compromised with an inactive hacked char. Log shows 500 mil was removed from the wallet stating "mittani says hi" We are investigating CCP is not coming to save you !
5c0u7y Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Space Hog resv
Moctobot Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:04:00 - [17] hit me up on msn~
Misty Rains Caldari Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:05:00 - [18] omg and reserved
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: D'ceet mainly because today is the 4th of feb. Well maybe where you are. But its the 5th here. And one would have thought you would make sure you had funds available to pay a bill due the next day... Just saying Stop failing and read the thread.
Jared D'Uroth Minmatar Ruthless Aggression United Star Federation	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:05:00 - [20] resv
D'ceet Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: D'ceet mainly because today is the 4th of feb. Well maybe where you are. But its the 5th here. And one would have thought you would make sure you had funds available to pay a bill due the next day... Just saying that still leaves a whole day, its not like they didnt pay the bill in weeks...
Ayra Stormborn Amarr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:06:00 - [22] yup, it was a bug for sure. CCP will just prop their buddies BoB back up
Trebor Notlimah Gallente Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:07:00 - [23] OMG HAXXOR CPP SAVE THEM!@!!!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Synapse Archae Stop failing and read the thread. Which bit should I be reading?
Ryuga VonRhaiden Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:08:00 - [25] huh... a very destructive bug, if it is a bug... O.o
Dark Hessian Minmatar Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:10:00 - [26] Edited by: Dark Hessian on 05/02/2009 02:10:25 Darn the Chinese curse and being forced to live in interesting times. So see y'all in Delve?
Captain Thunk Amarr Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Elitus Ill go and say this. Previous Bill was Paid on the 6th of Janurary. Previous bill before that was paid on the 6th of December. Currently looks like HAT was compromised with an inactive hacked char. Log shows 500 mil was removed from the wallet stating "mittani says hi" We are investigating Eve months are 30 days (like 30 day pilot licenses). It's the 5th today. Captain Thunk
Teschan Amarr Quam Singulari Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:12:00 - [28] but in regards to Sov etc, how does it affect that? If for some reason BoB were unable to petition this, is Delve likely to slip into anarchy?
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Teschan but in regards to Sov etc, how does it affect that? If for some reason BoB were unable to petition this, is Delve likely to slip into anarchy? My guess is Sov drops in delve because they probably cant reform until tomorrow at the earliest... the major coup here is stealing the name though I think haha
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Synapse Archae Stop failing and read the thread. Which bit should I be reading? You missed an incredible 3 points in a single post. 1. Bill is ISSUED, not DUE on the 6th. 2. No one cares if its the 5th in failcountry, it's still not the 6th ANYWHERE. 3. They had plenty of money for the bill, seems there's something about spies removing isk.
lol internets Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:15:00 - [31] Reserved page two sniper
Hurricane Carter Minmatar 0ccam's Razor UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Teschan but in regards to Sov etc, how does it affect that? If for some reason BoB were unable to petition this, is Delve likely to slip into anarchy? tomorrow after DT BoB Sov would go "poof" yes. leaving all systems, UN cynojammed, all station open for conquering etc etc etc
Greme Amarr Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Elitus Ill go and say this. Previous Bill was Paid on the 6th of Janurary. Previous bill before that was paid on the 6th of December. Currently looks like HAT was compromised with an inactive hacked char. Log shows 500 mil was removed from the wallet stating "mittani says hi" We are investigating Eve months are 30 days (like 30 day pilot licenses). It's the 5th today. Captain Thunk This doesn't explain the 6th dec to 6th jan then :P
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Synapse Archae You missed an incredible 3 points in a single post. 1. Bill is ISSUED, not DUE on the 6th. 2. No one cares if its the 5th in failcountry, it's still not the 6th ANYWHERE. 3. They had plenty of money for the bill, seems there's something about spies removing isk. Seems you have failed to read, or indeed comprehend. GL with the name calling though. Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Synapse Archae You missed an incredible 3 points in a single post. 1. Bill is ISSUED, not DUE on the 6th. 2. No one cares if its the 5th in failcountry, it's still not the 6th ANYWHERE. 3. They had plenty of money for the bill, seems there's something about spies removing isk. Seems you have failed to read, or indeed comprehend. GL with the name calling though. Just so we're on the same page, my interpretation is that the bill wasn't due yet and the alliance closed due to treachery rather than just negligence. In other words a spy closed it before the bill would have mattered.
prefectro Minmatar Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:20:00 - [36] If this was the work of spies, and they did not hack any accounts, then this closing of an alliance should stay legit? Or will BOB be able to flex some of their connections?
Admiral Feelgood Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:21:00 - [37] im sure their new EXE overlords would be glad to accept BoB member corp applications
jm24 Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:21:00 - [38] Goons got a director level level spy, and hit perfectly. We robbed BNC blind as well.
POgathaS Amarr Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:22:00 - [39] Originally by: prefectro If this was the work of spies, and they did not hack any accounts, then this closing of an alliance should stay legit? Or will BOB be able to flex some of their connections? lol.. what you think there gonna do.
mutantarachnid Caldari Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:25:00 - [40] GEC Ftw?
Halada Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:29:00 - [41] Not only will they lose sov everywhere by any material in a cap assembly array will be lost. Bye bye all baby moms and baby titans!
Skingrinder Minmatar Lucian Alliance Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:33:00 - [42] So BOB got had by a spy and now they want to petition it? Well its not like BOB ever uses spys to infiltrate Alliances and screw them over....is it?
theWoman Gallente HOMELESS. The Shelter	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:35:00 - [43] Priceless. Meta-gaming FTW
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:35:00 - [44] When CCP rolls this back and BOB is back on the alliance lists tomorrow with their sov generally untouched (though likely no stolen isk or assets returned), I wonder if the Goons will enjoy their lulz, laugh it off, and keep playing. Or if we can expect a 12 yr old temper tantrum, T20-level threadnaught and generally spammage, ending in an emoragequit? Funny joke, but silly way to 'win' anything, eh?
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Halada Not only will they lose sov everywhere by any material in a cap assembly array will be lost. Bye bye all baby moms and baby titans! That is an awful lot of minerals. What happens to completed ships stored in those arrays? can they be launched?
K Raz Minmatar Danish Trade and Mining Inc. Frontier Trading and Co Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:37:00 - [46] I have to post in this. ****ing epic :)
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:39:00 - [47] it's not about the bill you noobs, any BoB director can pay that since haargoth apparently had a director char in Tin Foil he probably just kicked all the corps out
Quebber Caldari Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:40:00 - [48] hmm if this is found to be malicious would we be expecting bans? but thats a good point, what would happen to their stored stuff
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Quebber hmm if this is found to be malicious would we be expecting bans? but thats a good point, what would happen to their stored stuff it's only bannable if the accounts were hacked. If it was a legitimate ingame infiltration there isn't a lot CCP or Bob can really do about it... it's legal
Zaxana Minmatar K. M. A. Enterprise Anarchy.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:42:00 - [50] Sad way to end really.
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Zaxana Sad way to end really. I would have preferred an epic siege of NOL, but to be honest the game isn't built for epic final stands. This was the only way Bob was going to go down and to be honest the game is better off for it. Watch an explosion of new and exciting things to come in the south over the next few weeks
PrimaryisPrimary Amarr FroZen SoulS Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:49:00 - [52] Edited by: PrimaryisPrimary on 05/02/2009 02:49:51 http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/mittani.mp3
Skingrinder Minmatar Lucian Alliance Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:50:00 - [53] I personally experianced a BOB spy offlining a cyno jammer and Cynoing in a cap fleet in the north. Its not like BOB doesnt resort to the same tactics. Your all just Pi***d that your the ones that got it this time around. But then again were all aware of how many crap storms CCP has bailed you guys out of in the past and im sure it will happen again.
Mr Ignitious Gallente R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Zaxana Sad way to end really. Originally by: CCP Zulupark WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:51:00 - [55] if it's true that pay day is the 6 of each month we are not the 6 today, right?
Zaxana Minmatar K. M. A. Enterprise Anarchy.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:53:00 - [56] So the thousands of Anti-BoB pilots out there got robbed off their victory by a spy/bug? I wonder whats the new political situation going to be now that Goons+TCF+NC don't have a viable opposition.
MAX'IMUM FAILURE Caldari Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:54:00 - [57] Look. It wasn't a bill issue It was a spy issue. Goons got a director level spy in BNC and the BoB holding corp, and disbanded the alliance. **** goons
Agaue Caldari Tin Foil	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Skingrinder I personally experianced a BOB spy offlining a cyno jammer and Cynoing in a cap fleet in the north. Its not like BOB doesnt resort to the same tactics. Your all just Pi***d that your the ones that got it this time around. But then again were all aware of how many crap storms CCP has bailed you guys out of in the past and im sure it will happen again. I like how everyone is stating their opinions like it is fact (like this random above), when in truth they have no idea what happened. I will state as a fact; 1) it wasnt a bill/money issue. 2) it wasnt spy related. Mittani isnt dumb enough to put his hand up and say he is responsible.
Rodney Caston Caldari The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:55:00 - [59] if someone violated the TOS, then they should be banned for it, and BoB should not be penalized for someone breaking the rules.
Glengrant Minmatar TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:56:00 - [60] It boils down to whether it was a proper infiltration or a hack. If the latter CCP will (correctly) fix BoB and kick the hacker. If GS managed to get a spy in the right position BoB will have some reconstruction to do, while Goons party wild with winsauce. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:57:00 - [61] Originally by: Agaue I like how everyone is stating their opinions like it is fact (like this random above), when in truth they have no idea what happened. I will state as a fact; 1) it wasnt a bill/money issue. 2) it wasnt spy related. Mittani isnt dumb enough to put his hand up and say he is responsible. I can confirm that we are responsible. I am dumb enough to put my hand up. No exploits were used. No accounts were logged into by anyone other than the account owner. In short, it was a pro operation not a BoB operation. Kiss Kiss! Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Agaue Originally by: Skingrinder I personally experianced a BOB spy offlining a cyno jammer and Cynoing in a cap fleet in the north. Its not like BOB doesnt resort to the same tactics. Your all just Pi***d that your the ones that got it this time around. But then again were all aware of how many crap storms CCP has bailed you guys out of in the past and im sure it will happen again. I like how everyone is stating their opinions like it is fact (like this random above), when in truth they have no idea what happened. I will state as a fact; 1) it wasnt a bill/money issue. 2) it wasnt spy related. Mittani isnt dumb enough to put his hand up and say he is responsible. well the entire point of this thread is to find out so please tell us
Mr cardking Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:57:00 - [63] Originally by: Aegis Osiris When CCP rolls this back and BOB is back on the alliance lists tomorrow with their sov generally untouched (though likely no stolen isk or assets returned), I wonder if the Goons will enjoy their lulz, laugh it off, and keep playing. Or if we can expect a 12 yr old temper tantrum, T20-level threadnaught and generally spammage, ending in an emoragequit? Funny joke, but silly way to 'win' anything, eh? I likes you....be my boy friand? .
Doosh Bagge Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 02:57:00 - [64] If it was indeed a director-level spy, I'd say it's totally legit. If it was a hacked account, not so much.
Iraf Thaiberd Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Agaue Originally by: Skingrinder I personally experianced a BOB spy offlining a cyno jammer and Cynoing in a cap fleet in the north. Its not like BOB doesnt resort to the same tactics. Your all just Pi***d that your the ones that got it this time around. But then again were all aware of how many crap storms CCP has bailed you guys out of in the past and im sure it will happen again. I like how everyone is stating their opinions like it is fact (like this random above), when in truth they have no idea what happened. I will state as a fact; 1) it wasnt a bill/money issue. 2) it wasnt spy related. Mittani isnt dumb enough to put his hand up and say he is responsible. Allow me to make this clear: This was 100% legitimate in-game spying using roles and in-game abilities granted. No hacking. No account trickery. No someone using someone else's account that they shouldn't have. (ALL of which have been used against us in the last two months). This was old school spy with full director roles in a member corp and executor corp and there it is.
Dsan Amarr Smegnet Incorporated Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:07:00 - [66] if this is a goonswarm operation that has had GREAT success... CCP stay out... if this is a Bill mechanic that failed... it should be restored, my alt corp lost officess due to a similar bug. but is this a goonswarm operation, you guys win. this was not predicted in any of the many '09 predection threads. and oh, is it only me that see the ironic in Goons having such a success with a spy after all the posting BoB has done about spies and what not...
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:07:00 - [67] I clearly should have reserved more space in the OP... I might have to delete a few of the early responses to make room for more informative ones if the need arises
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:08:00 - [68] i sent my regards thats what happened~
Zaxana Minmatar K. M. A. Enterprise Anarchy.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:10:00 - [69] Its pretty amazing if that be the case. While its not the best way to "go down", they could still reform under a new ticker and start from scratch. The next 24hrs is probably going to be the most interesting in New Eve's history.
Halada Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:12:00 - [70] Originally by: Khandara Seraphim Originally by: Halada Not only will they lose sov everywhere by any material in a cap assembly array will be lost. Bye bye all baby moms and baby titans! That is an awful lot of minerals. What happens to completed ships stored in those arrays? can they be launched? Every mom or titan being built will be aborted and all material lost. If a ship is completed they cannot take it out until they re-anchor and re-online the array. However this requires sov, so they would need to wait until they get sov back before they can get them out. ★ LSJV now recruiting ★
mia mia Caldari Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:12:00 - [71] If this went down like the goons said.... BRAVO. Well done.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:15:00 - [72] Sov in Delve is already gone. Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:16:00 - [73] Confirming that GS legitimately removed the alliance Disband of Brothers. http://obeythekitten.com/
Agaue Caldari Tin Foil	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:18:00 - [74] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Agaue I like how everyone is stating their opinions like it is fact (like this random above), when in truth they have no idea what happened. I will state as a fact; 1) it wasnt a bill/money issue. 2) it wasnt spy related. Mittani isnt dumb enough to put his hand up and say he is responsible. I can confirm that we are responsible. I am dumb enough to put my hand up. So you were the one using Haargoth's account then? Anyone that believes the mp3 recording where mittani says "oh haargoth doesnt have a mic" isnt very smart. Why does he suddenly not have a mic? because the second the fake Haargoth says anything he will be proven fake by voice records. We have more evidence that it wasnt the real Haargoth, but was infact someone that hacked his account, but that is in the hands of CCP now.
Xinxua Gallente 5th Front enterprises CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:18:00 - [75] Originally by: Zaxana Its pretty amazing if that be the case. While its not the best way to "go down", they could still reform under a new ticker and start from scratch. The next 24hrs is probably going to be the most interesting in New Eve's history. Making them entirely vulnerable for that time period. You guys are getting creative in your heists.
Ziester Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:19:00 - [76] Edited by: Ziester on 05/02/2009 03:19:45 Originally by: Halada Every mom or titan being built will be aborted and all material lost. What? Seriously? But anyways, this was inevitable. Everyone should watch the ASCN and Oort titan kills on youtube. It's hilarious how unfun BoB sound. They can't even enjoy a titan kill, it's all about the killmails and impeccable "teamspeak discipline." Naturally many individuals have decided that they just don't like the alliance even full directors.
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:20:00 - [77] http://www.eve-online.com/alliances/a_632866070.asp Band of Brothers [BOB] Established on 2005.07.07 17:51:00 feb got 28d alliance got killed the 5, 30-28 = 2 7-5 = 2 hmm?
Markus Chen Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:23:00 - [78] Edited by: Markus Chen on 05/02/2009 03:24:01 I'm sure this has been said but: We just got someone who was fed up with BoB and their infighting. Voila. Nothing to do with bill paying. Delve free for all toot toot
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:23:00 - [79] Originally by: Agaue So you were the one using Haargoth's account then? Anyone that believes the mp3 recording where mittani says "oh haargoth doesnt have a mic" isnt very smart. Why does he suddenly not have a mic? because the second the fake Haargoth says anything he will be proven fake by voice records. We have more evidence that it wasnt the real Haargoth, but was infact someone that hacked his account, but that is in the hands of CCP now. Ok there champ. Stay strong! I'm just quoting this for when CCP laughs at you and you have to pull your head out of the sand. Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:24:00 - [80] If you want to get all technical... then you have Mittens on an mp3 stating he asked the 'disgruntled Bobbit' for his username/pw and logged into the account to 'check things out'. Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't that a EULA violation? Don't both parties get banned in the case of 'account sharing'? shrug metagaming is just crap on all levels, no matter who does it. That it may have been done to you doesn't make it right to use it yourselves. Its a game. Stop being so serious. I like violet more then pink.
Admiral Feelgood Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:26:00 - [81] in the mp3 he is talking about getting forum logins not ingame logins, he later says that the character is doing all the in game things himself
Anahid Brutus Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:27:00 - [82] Originally by: Aegis Osiris If you want to get all technical... then you have Mittens on an mp3 stating he asked the 'disgruntled Bobbit' for his username/pw and logged into the account to 'check things out'. Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't that a EULA violation? Don't both parties get banned in the case of 'account sharing'? im not sure, but i doubt CCP runs the bob director forums, although i dont think we can exclude it as a possibility!
Angelus Damelon Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:27:00 - [83] Edited by: Angelus Damelon on 05/02/2009 03:26:55 Originally by: Aegis Osiris If you want to get all technical... then you have Mittens on an mp3 stating he asked the 'disgruntled Bobbit' for his username/pw and logged into the account to 'check things out'. Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't that a EULA violation? Don't both parties get banned in the case of 'account sharing'? Username/PW for BoB and BDC forums you **ING ****S
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:28:00 - [84] Originally by: Admiral Feelgood in the mp3 he is talking about getting forum logins not ingame logins, he later says that the character is doing all the in game things himself Seems clear in listening to it he means the logins for the game. Not saying Mittens necessarily did the deed himself. But surely seems he logged into the game on said account to make sure it was legit.
Admiral Feelgood Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:29:00 - [85] perhaps you should have another listen, he is clearly talking about two different sets of forums logins, which he then uses to archive the forums in question
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:30:00 - [86] Originally by: Angelus Damelon Username/PW for BoB and BDC forums you **ING ****S Hey! Cool ad hominem attack. You are an ace poster, and obviously your anger makes you right. You should let the other Goons post...some of them seem to be doing better then you.
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:31:00 - [87] Edited by: Devian 666 on 05/02/2009 03:30:52 Discussion of listening to mp3's is off topic, and a moot point, now that BoB have applied to join GoonSwarm.
JayCheG Caldari Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:31:00 - [88] Wait, didn't SUAS steal a titan?
Gonada Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:32:00 - [89] ahh, so goons win again by their usual method of lying, spying, ,metagaming, cheating makes me kinda glad i beat the tar out of the smack-talkin fool wearing a goonswarm t-shirt in the bar last summer down in mexico.
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:32:00 - [90] Originally by: JayCheG Wait, didn't SUAS steal a titan? Who cares. You should see the ex-BoB wallet.
Daviclond Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:34:00 - [91] if you listen to that mp3 and come to the conclusion that eve-online account sharing was involved its because you are pro-bob and desperately trying to rationalise this problem away, peace
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:34:00 - [92] Originally by: Aegis Osiris Originally by: Admiral Feelgood in the mp3 he is talking about getting forum logins not ingame logins, he later says that the character is doing all the in game things himself Seems clear in listening to it he means the logins for the game. Not saying Mittens necessarily did the deed himself. But surely seems he logged into the game on said account to make sure it was legit. no from listening i got the exact opposite impression he was talking about forums ;P
JayCheG Caldari Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:34:00 - [93] Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: JayCheG Wait, didn't SUAS steal a titan? Who cares. You should see the ex-BoB wallet. That I know.. I find it humorous how the headlines have changed
Coolcat Minmatar Z.o.r.g.i.x Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:34:00 - [94] b4 this thread is locked might what to give this a listen goons mp3
Daviclond Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:35:00 - [95] Originally by: Gonada ahh, so goons win again by their usual method of lying, spying, ,metagaming, cheating makes me kinda glad i beat the tar out of the smack-talkin fool wearing a goonswarm t-shirt in the bar last summer down in mexico. this is a troll right? (please tell me its true)
Gjs312 Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:35:00 - [96] Im pretty sure haargoth is deployed in the airforce atm so I'm gonna laugh pretty hard if this backfires. Still, :popcorn: though.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:35:00 - [97] Originally by: Aegis Osiris Originally by: Admiral Feelgood in the mp3 he is talking about getting forum logins not ingame logins, he later says that the character is doing all the in game things himself Seems clear in listening to it he means the logins for the game. Not saying Mittens necessarily did the deed himself. But surely seems he logged into the game on said account to make sure it was legit. He mentions forum login specifically.
Sworn Absent Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:37:00 - [98] Originally by: Gonada ahh, so goons win again by their usual method of lying, spying, ,metagaming, cheating makes me kinda glad i beat the tar out of the smack-talkin fool wearing a goonswarm t-shirt in the bar last summer down in mexico. NERD FIGHT
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:37:00 - [99] He's from Priory of the Lemon in Atlas, and he's playing internet tough guy. Priory of the Lemon was the worst carebear corp in RK. They used to run below cost invention when they were in RK. http://obeythekitten.com/
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:40:00 - [100] I'll give it another listen, maybe I missed somethin. shrug Oh, and to the 'oh ur just pro-Bob' goonie... sorry chief. I ain't in GBC, and I've been on both sides of your little war. And I'd be posting the same thing if this whole deal was the other way around. Never did like metagaming crap....seems a silly waste of time, and a sure sign you've taken the whole thing WAY to seriously. Goons were funnier when they didn't. Just sayin'. I like violet more then pink.
Captain Thunk Amarr Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:41:00 - [101] Originally by: Gjs312 Im pretty sure haargoth is deployed in the airforce atm so I'm gonna laugh pretty hard if this backfires. Still, :popcorn: though. Even if this were true and the account has been hacked then it would appear the hacker has genuinely hoodwinked GoonSwarm as well. Somehow though, I doubt the account was hacked as no-one would gain anything as the damage would be rolled back and the hacker(s) would be banned and everyone involved would know that. Captain Thunk
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:43:00 - [102] Originally by: Aegis Osiris Originally by: Admiral Feelgood in the mp3 he is talking about getting forum logins not ingame logins, he later says that the character is doing all the in game things himself Seems clear in listening to it he means the logins for the game. Not saying Mittens necessarily did the deed himself. But surely seems he logged into the game on said account to make sure it was legit. ahaha look at you go
Zell Shadowcast Caldari The Greater Goon	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:46:00 - [103] Man you should have done that before you kicked us out, I'd like to avenge my deaths in NOL. Hell Qy6 would suffice.
Atomos Darksun Gallente Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:48:00 - [104] According to the Goon forums, a director in the BoB executive corp infiltrated Goons and double crossed bob. Said something along the lines of, "you know, they're really just a bunch of ****s..." about BoB to Goons.
De Guantanamo Gallente Red White and Screwed	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:49:00 - [105] Originally by: Gonada ahh, so goons win again by their usual method of lying, spying, ,metagaming, cheating makes me kinda glad i beat the tar out of the smack-talkin fool wearing a goonswarm t-shirt in the bar last summer down in mexico. I sense some unresolved conflict here. Do you want to talk?
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:53:00 - [106] It's pretty simple on CCP's part. They can tell what IP was used. If Haagorth's account was logged in on an IP not used before, they know it was account sharing or hacking which will work in BoB's favor. If it was the same IP pool, he did it himself. Just wait for CCP to respond.
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:53:00 - [107] Originally by: Atomos Darksun According to the Goon forums, a director in the BoB executive corp infiltrated Goons and double crossed bob. Said something along the lines of, "you know, they're really just a bunch of ****s..." about BoB to Goons. We recruited his alt. We found out, removed roles. He liked IGNE so much that he decided to join us with his main.
Captain Thunk Amarr Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:56:00 - [108] Originally by: Kozak It's pretty simple on CCP's part. They can tell what IP was used. If Haagorth's account was logged in on an IP not used before, they know it was account sharing or hacking which will work in BoB's favor. If it was the same IP pool, he did it himself. Just wait for CCP to respond. Not 100% true, if he was deployed to a base and logged in from there then the IP would be different. The actions would be legitimate but by your reckoning would call for a rollback of the damage done. Captain Thunk
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 03:58:00 - [109] Originally by: Kozak BoB is so much fun that an account hack is the only way this could happen. Your tears are derailing this thread. http://obeythekitten.com/
theWoman Gallente HOMELESS. The Shelter	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:00:00 - [110] Originally by: Aegis Osiris Never did like metagaming crap....seems a silly waste of time It seems to have worked perfectly in this case. As it has so many times in the past when BoB employed the same tactics. Live by the sword, die by the sword. LOLz
Karthwritte Amarr Manufact Co.	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:03:00 - [111] Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Kozak It's pretty simple on CCP's part. They can tell what IP was used. If Haagorth's account was logged in on an IP not used before, they know it was account sharing or hacking which will work in BoB's favor. If it was the same IP pool, he did it himself. Just wait for CCP to respond. Not 100% true, if he was deployed to a base and logged in from there then the IP would be different. The actions would be legitimate but by your reckoning would call for a rollback of the damage done. Captain Thunk Well IP isnt random at all, so if the first numbers are not the same, you can suspect something. Still I belive that was a legal move. the end of BoB deserves a Eve Cronicle
Elite Qin Caldari APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:05:00 - [112] It's really sad that it came to this instead of a legit fight. I heard Goons in the MP3 calling BoB a bad alliance and crap, but if your only way of being able to kill them is to disband their alliance, it's time to look in the mirror and see who's in the crappy alliance.
SlowMovingFisherman Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:06:00 - [113] IPs are not static, different computers can be used. Nice try.
Zell Shadowcast Caldari The Greater Goon	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:08:00 - [114] Originally by: Elite Qin It's really sad that it came to this instead of a legit fight. I heard Goons in the MP3 calling BoB a bad alliance and crap, but if your only way of being able to kill them is to disband their alliance, it's time to look in the mirror and see who's in the crappy alliance. I try that but i just see a raging pedophile, nothing about alliances
Gjs312 Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:08:00 - [115] Ok I changed my mind, pretty sure this is actually legit
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:10:00 - [116] BoB are currently evacuating assets in transport ships. I'm sure pirates intercepting these ships will become very rich.
Valorous Bob Gallente Slade Gravelpit Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:11:00 - [117] Originally by: Karthwritte the end of BoB deserves a Eve Cronicle THIS!! I have never seen ANYTHING this dramatic EVER happen in a videogame before. The Guiding Hand Social Club's theft and assasination against that one corp (i cant think of the name) is the event that convince me i should play EVE and BoB falling like this proves that i made the right choice.
Karthwritte Amarr Manufact Co.	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:11:00 - [118] Originally by: Devian 666 BoB are currently evacuating assets in transport ships. I'm sure pirates intercepting these ships will become very rich. This brings irony to the "I can have your stuff??" question that people say to those who cancel their subscriptions.
Ayra Stormborn Amarr THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:13:00 - [119] Originally by: Devian 666 BoB are currently evacuating assets in transport ships. I'm sure pirates intercepting these ships will become very rich. Right, instead of using jump freightors and titan bridges.
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:18:00 - [120] Originally by: Ayra Stormborn Originally by: Devian 666 BoB are currently evacuating assets in transport ships. I'm sure pirates intercepting these ships will become very rich. Right, instead of using jump freightors and titan bridges. Nice attempt at damage control. How well can you organise an evacuation when people know that they will not be able to redock at the station that they are in? When they are unable to enter their own pos shields? http://obeythekitten.com/
Shakari Sween Gallente Revengeance Inc	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:22:00 - [121] Originally by: Devian 666 Originally by: Ayra Stormborn Originally by: Devian 666 BoB are currently evacuating assets in transport ships. I'm sure pirates intercepting these ships will become very rich. Right, instead of using jump freightors and titan bridges. Nice attempt at damage control. How well can you organise an evacuation when people know that they will not be able to redock at the station that they are in? When they are unable to enter their own pos shields? cause corp pos's are controled by the alliance right....
Delfinu Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:22:00 - [122] Edited by: Delfinu on 05/02/2009 04:22:25 Originally by: Ayra Stormborn Originally by: Devian 666 BoB are currently evacuating assets in transport ships. I'm sure pirates intercepting these ships will become very rich. Right, instead of using jump freightors and titan bridges. Which, of course they, all have.
permion Gallente Urban Mining Corp	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:37:00 - [123] I'd have to say that it's insanely metagamingish. But not so much at the same time. One of those :eyeroll: type moments. __ I'd also believe that the chances of there being "illegal" activities is slim. It wouldn't be worth days of investment if all the work was going to be undone the next day.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:49:00 - [124] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/02/2009 04:52:20 Originally by: SlowMovingFisherman IPs are not static, different computers can be used. Nice try. A PC can show up as having different IP's over a period of time, DHCP is being very popular i hear ... that's why he said adress pool.
Karthwritte Amarr Manufact Co.	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:52:00 - [125] Edited by: Karthwritte on 05/02/2009 04:54:52 Originally by: Muad' Dib Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/02/2009 04:49:30 Originally by: SlowMovingFisherman IPs are not static, different computers can be used. Nice try. IP's can be different even on the same PC, DHCP is being very popular i hear ... that's why he said adress pool. I have to insist that the first numbers can say from what region are you (well I think that sattelite Internet can **** that). I am correct or no?
Val Amon Gallente Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:53:00 - [126] Karma for the chest beating of killing offline titans.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.05 04:58:00 - [127] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/02/2009 05:02:57 Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/02/2009 05:01:50 Originally by: Karthwritte Originally by: Muad' Dib Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/02/2009 04:49:30 Originally by: SlowMovingFisherman IPs are not static, different computers can be used. Nice try. IP's can be different even on the same PC, DHCP is being very popular i hear ... that's why he said adress pool. I have to insist that the first numbers can say from what region are you. I am correct or no? More or less, some IP's can belong to private networks and are all translated by the ISP to one or more external addresses. --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
MrRx7 Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:09:00 - [128] Originally by: Muad' Dib Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/02/2009 05:02:57 Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/02/2009 05:01:50 Originally by: Karthwritte Originally by: Muad' Dib Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/02/2009 04:49:30 Originally by: SlowMovingFisherman IPs are not static, different computers can be used. Nice try. IP's can be different even on the same PC, DHCP is being very popular i hear ... that's why he said adress pool. I have to insist that the first numbers can say from what region are you. I am correct or no? More or less, some IP's can belong to private networks and are all translated by the ISP to one or more external addresses. Not exactly Depending on how the ISP is setup you will either receive a internal global natted IP address which will come out as one or two public address or you will receive a DHCP address out of the carriers assigned public address space. the latter is pretty much 95% of all carriers these days. Most blocks will contain hundred to thousands of possible addresses but its easy to identify by region and pool owner. But if they reside is the same area and use the same carrier there is no way to desern if its the same person or not due to the way DHCP hands out addresses. CCP has no internal method to discover how a carrier hands out their address space, only the local LEC/Carrier can tell CCP which cable/dsl/satellite modem MAC had what address... And only then if they actually log it Which most dont :-)
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:14:00 - [129] Quote: <@LadyScarlet> noooooo <@LadyScarlet> dice <@LadyScarlet> is not in the allince <@LadyScarlet> wtf <@arcantos> nor is finfl <@LadyScarlet> omg <@arcantos> 2009.02.05 01:31 Quote: <@Luciender> get dian on <@Luciender> wake him up <@LadyScarlet> blocko he had to pettion and pay the bill now <@Blocko> to do what? <@Blocko> on lousia? <@LadyScarlet> recreat bob allince <@LadyScarlet> its gone <@Spathi> dont recreate, just petition it.. either way we're screwed if the gms dont help <@Blocko> someones ringing him <@Blocko> lol <Argentina> the bob alliance is closed. we don't know why. we need a petition begging for it to be recreated so we don't lose all sov Quote: <@Dian> hat.. wallet <@Mako> look at journal of hat wallet <@Dian> arkannen took 500m <@Dian> or so <@Dian> at 0130 <@Dian> "mittani says hi" Quote: <@Dian> roles gone on that char <@Spathi> haarg is nova, not eclipse. <@Spathi> he has 1 char in eclipse and it was pos gunner only <@LadyScarlet> do we ban him from here yes or no ? <@LadyScarlet> he sitting in this channel * You were kicked by Spathi (Bye ) * Attempting to rejoin channel #bobsecure * Unable to join channel (invite only) http://obeythekitten.com/
Nyphur Gallente Pillowsoft	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:21:00 - [130] Originally by: Verone It happened to us a while back, only we didn't recieve the mail warning us the bill was due... sucks when it happens. Verone, this happened to an alliance I ran for a while too. I have a character that has director roles in the corp and never deletes an evemail and can confirm there was no mail on it. When we petitioned, we were turned down because presumably it was our fault since we didn't pay the bill. What did you guys do? Did you bite the bullet and reform the alliance or was your petition successful? EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Mr Ignitious Gallente R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:23:00 - [131] Edited by: Mr Ignitious on 05/02/2009 05:23:02 Originally by: Devian 666 Awesome stuff O this just keeps getting better Originally by: CCP Zulupark WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
Orange Faeces Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:34:00 - [132] Quote: <@Dian> roles gone on that char <@Spathi> haarg is nova, not eclipse. <@Spathi> he has 1 char in eclipse and it was pos gunner only <@LadyScarlet> do we ban him from here yes or no ? <@LadyScarlet> he sitting in this channel * You were kicked by Spathi (Bye ) * Attempting to rejoin channel #bobsecure * Unable to join channel (invite only) laughed so hard i had to change my pants... ** GOONS and by ** i mean LOVE! O. Faeces --- The Other Orange
Mecinia Lua Minmatar Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:50:00 - [133] Originally by: Elitus Ill go and say this. Previous Bill was Paid on the 6th of Janurary. Previous bill before that was paid on the 6th of December. Currently looks like HAT was compromised with an inactive hacked char. Log shows 500 mil was removed from the wallet stating "mittani says hi" We are investigating Why did an inactive character have director level access? Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Halada Caldari Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:02:00 - [134] Edited by: Halada on 05/02/2009 06:03:26 Originally by: Mecinia Lua Originally by: Elitus Ill go and say this. Previous Bill was Paid on the 6th of Janurary. Previous bill before that was paid on the 6th of December. Currently looks like HAT was compromised with an inactive hacked char. Log shows 500 mil was removed from the wallet stating "mittani says hi" We are investigating Why did an inactive character have director level access? From what I understand after reading scrap and listening to the mp3 a few times, it was a BoB executive, so they didn't have any reasons no to trust him if he got this high up the chain. Looks like he got yelled at once too often and **ed BoB on his own accord after committing to an intimate relationship with Goons. The story about the bill is just bull**. c/d ? In any case, this is what great Greek tragedies are made of. Epic stuff like this.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:02:00 - [135] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 05/02/2009 06:03:14 yeah both molle (in HAT) and coranor (BNC) messed up pretty hard leaving him as a director while he was inactive for months Edit; as far as I know he'd been on military deployment for a while now so bob really dropped ball on security
Anette Plathe Amarr Swedish Aerospace Inc Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:05:00 - [136] Why does the game have a single-button-click-to-disband-alliance-feature? Shouldn't that be a vote or something?
Mecinia Lua Minmatar Galactic Express Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:06:00 - [137] Originally by: Halada Edited by: Halada on 05/02/2009 06:03:26 Originally by: Mecinia Lua Originally by: Elitus Ill go and say this. Previous Bill was Paid on the 6th of Janurary. Previous bill before that was paid on the 6th of December. Currently looks like HAT was compromised with an inactive hacked char. Log shows 500 mil was removed from the wallet stating "mittani says hi" We are investigating Why did an inactive character have director level access? From what I understand after reading scrap and listening to the mp3 a few times, it was a BoB executive, so they didn't have any reasons no to trust him if he got this high up the chain. Looks like he got yelled at once too often and **ed BoB on his own accord after committing to an intimate relationship with Goons. The story about the bill is just bull**. c/d ? In any case, this is what great Greek tragedies are made of. Epic stuff like this. Yeah probably more the truth :)
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:15:00 - [138] Edited by: Brobuck on 05/02/2009 06:16:24 one word: Allies Goons could have done none of this without their allies. From ZAF to TCF (the greatest alliance in EVE), our brosefs have performed above and beyond the call of duty. Mad props to the goon diplo and directorate. Mad props to the spy network that Mittani set up. Mad props to the atmosphere goons and their allies play with. So much fun is contagious. DariusJOHNSON MY CEO sesfan #1 logistics guys (you know who you are) #1 steak ops #3 delta4lyfe (never reveal the delta squad secret) edit i, too, wish vio was a girl
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:17:00 - [139] Originally by: Halada Edited by: Halada on 05/02/2009 06:03:26 Originally by: Mecinia Lua Originally by: Elitus Ill go and say this. Previous Bill was Paid on the 6th of Janurary. Previous bill before that was paid on the 6th of December. Currently looks like HAT was compromised with an inactive hacked char. Log shows 500 mil was removed from the wallet stating "mittani says hi" We are investigating Why did an inactive character have director level access? From what I understand after reading scrap and listening to the mp3 a few times, it was a BoB executive, so they didn't have any reasons no to trust him if he got this high up the chain. Looks like he got yelled at once too often and **ed BoB on his own accord after committing to an intimate relationship with Goons. The story about the bill is just bull**. c/d ? In any case, this is what great Greek tragedies are made of. Epic stuff like this. Yup, the bill is irrelevant. Just good old no-EULA-breaking spy work, from what I understand.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:17:00 - [140] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 05/02/2009 06:03:14 yeah both molle (in HAT) and coranor (BNC) messed up pretty hard leaving him as a director while he was inactive for months Edit; as far as I know he'd been on military deployment for a while now so bob really dropped ball on security bob jumped the shark ages ago but when dice began mass-recruiting goodfellas i mean /come on/~
Reverand Pastor Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:24:00 - [141] Originally by: MrRx7 Originally by: Muad' Dib Edited by: Muad'' Dib Nice try. IP's can be different even on the same PC, DHCP is being very popular i hear ... that's why he said adress pool. I have to insist that the first numbers can say from what region are you. I am correct or no? More or less, some IP's can belong to private networks and are all translated by the ISP to one or more external addresses. Not exactly Depending on how the ISP is setup you will either receive a internal global natted IP address which will come out as one or two public address or you will receive a DHCP address out of the carriers assigned public address space. the latter is pretty much 95% of all carriers these days. Most blocks will contain hundred to thousands of possible addresses but its easy to identify by region and pool owner. But if they reside is the same area and use the same carrier there is no way to desern if its the same person or not due to the way DHCP hands out addresses. CCP has no internal method to discover how a carrier hands out their address space, only the local LEC/Carrier can tell CCP which cable/dsl/satellite modem MAC had what address... And only then if they actually log it Which most dont :-)
Zignar Gallente Loyalty projects	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:31:00 - [142] Well if the only way Goons can win over bob is by meta gaming then I woud say BoB won eve and goons lost. Winning that way is not a honouerable way to win, and what is your life if you dont have your Honour Zignar
Falco64 Amarr Esto Perpetua	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:35:00 - [143] Originally by: Zignar Well if the only way Goons can win over bob is by meta gaming then I woud say BoB won eve and goons lost. Winning that way is not a honouerable way to win, and what is your life if you dont have your Honour How is it meta gaming? Feel free to explain that for me.
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:35:00 - [144] Originally by: Anette Plathe Why does the game have a single-button-click-to-disband-alliance-feature? Shouldn't that be a vote or something? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I vote YES!
Svett Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:36:00 - [145] We are reforming the .5. and moving to H-PA.
naamira Amarr coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:55:00 - [146] lolerskate
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 06:57:00 - [147] Originally by: Svett We are reforming the .5. and moving to H-PA. why not you have shinra already rite~
Presidio Minmatar ZipZoom Kaboom Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:08:00 - [148] popcorn thread of the year
Zignar Gallente Loyalty projects	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:12:00 - [149] Originally by: Falco64 Originally by: Zignar Well if the only way Goons can win over bob is by meta gaming then I woud say BoB won eve and goons lost. Winning that way is not a honouerable way to win, and what is your life if you dont have your Honour How is it meta gaming? Feel free to explain that for me. If it issent called metagaming I stand corrected, I dont live in 0.0 but I have/had that impression that spy's and that kind is called Meta gaming. But still closing your oppent by use of a spy issent honourable, if you ask me.
Kumq uat Gallente InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:35:00 - [150] Honor tanks fail in Eve. I'm just sayin. ------------------------------------------- www.eve-pirate.com original author and goat molestor. Herrooooooo Kitty!
Anita mann Minmatar Jupiter Mining Corp.	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:45:00 - [151] Originally by: Brobuck Edited by: Brobuck on 05/02/2009 06:16:24 one word: Allies Goons could have done none of this without their allies. From ZAF to TCF (the greatest alliance in EVE), our brosefs have performed above and beyond the call of duty. Mad props to the goon diplo and directorate. Mad props to the spy network that Mittani set up. Mad props to the atmosphere goons and their allies play with. So much fun is contagious. DariusJOHNSON MY CEO sesfan #1 logistics guys (you know who you are) #1 steak ops #3 delta4lyfe (never reveal the delta squad secret) edit i, too, wish vio was a girl Sorry pal, You don't need all of these allies to press a disband alliance button. Props on the spy job though kinda ****ty way to see EVE's best alliance die.
Lady Lard Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:57:00 - [152] they're not very good if they get disbanded so easily are they?
Presidio Minmatar ZipZoom Kaboom Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 07:58:00 - [153] Originally by: Anita mann Sorry pal, You don't need all of these allies to press a disband alliance button. Props on the spy job though kinda ****ty way to see EVE's best alliance die. As someone who's played the game from the day one metagaming sux. It ruins the game. And it should be frowned upon. But it is the very BoB who's used meta gaming as far back as 2004. It was used so often that it became a legitimate tactic to win wars. Now days all alliances use spies and frankly all means they have at their disposal to get an edge in a conflict. Nothing is a better example of that old adage: You live by the sword you die by the sword; then what happened to now ex-BoB today.
Southern Suzy Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:06:00 - [154] So the conclusion of all of this is: OMFG ONE OF THE DEVS IS A GOON! WE'RE DOOMED!
Fyrkraag Caldari The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:27:00 - [155] Originally by: Presidio Originally by: Anita mann Sorry pal, You don't need all of these allies to press a disband alliance button. Props on the spy job though kinda ****ty way to see EVE's best alliance die. As someone who's played the game from the day one metagaming sux. It ruins the game. And it should be frowned upon. But it is the very BoB who's used meta gaming as far back as 2004. It was used so often that it became a legitimate tactic to win wars. Now days all alliances use spies and frankly all means they have at their disposal to get an edge in a conflict. Nothing is a better example of that old adage: You live by the sword you die by the sword; then what happened to now ex-BoB today. Simple, but true. --------- TKT - Fyrkraag The Knights Templar - Achievement with style: Maturity, integrity, respect.
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:30:00 - [156] Originally by: Svett We are reforming the .5. and moving to H-PA. Oh good, your reforming a bunch that even in their prime were regarded as self hyping blowhards. We all know how well that worked out for you in BOB-Zombie. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Telender Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:31:00 - [157] Originally by: Anita mann Originally by: Brobuck Edited by: Brobuck on 05/02/2009 06:16:24 one word: Allies Goons could have done none of this without their allies. From ZAF to TCF (the greatest alliance in EVE), our brosefs have performed above and beyond the call of duty. Mad props to the goon diplo and directorate. Mad props to the spy network that Mittani set up. Mad props to the atmosphere goons and their allies play with. So much fun is contagious. DariusJOHNSON MY CEO sesfan #1 logistics guys (you know who you are) #1 steak ops #3 delta4lyfe (never reveal the delta squad secret) edit i, too, wish vio was a girl Sorry pal, You don't need all of these allies to press a disband alliance button. Props on the spy job though kinda ****ty way to see EVE's best alliance die. BEST ALLIANCE eh? You clearly haven't been reading their forums. (we have)
xxxak Caldari O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:47:00 - [158] Reserved. But I flew to BOB space and it was sorta empty.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:50:00 - [159] I hope CCP will do a rollback. They can do it all they time they want. Against whom should everyone fight now? Where should those awesome 500 vs 500 fleetfight come from? Where will the epic cap-ship battles happen? This is just stupid bullsh!t, someone just wants their 5 minutes of internet fame. But in the longer run it utterly hurts 0.0 and Eve in general.
Von Druid Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 08:55:00 - [160] Originally by: Gnulpie I hope CCP will do a rollback. They can do it all they time they want. Against whom should everyone fight now? Where should those awesome 500 vs 500 fleetfight come from? Where will the epic cap-ship battles happen? This is just stupid bullsh!t, someone just wants their 5 minutes of internet fame. But in the longer run it utterly hurts 0.0 and Eve in general. I am sure every single character that was in BOB will stop playing forever and not reform or something.
128th ABC123 Caldari Eve Liberation Force Liberty.	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:14:00 - [161] Originally by: Von Druid Originally by: Gnulpie I hope CCP will do a rollback. They can do it all they time they want. Against whom should everyone fight now? Where should those awesome 500 vs 500 fleetfight come from? Where will the epic cap-ship battles happen? This is just stupid bullsh!t, someone just wants their 5 minutes of internet fame. But in the longer run it utterly hurts 0.0 and Eve in general. I am sure every single character that was in BOB will stop playing forever and not reform or something. Dude, its just so fricking random... It's just not fun and takes away alot from the game. This game is honestly being ruined by metagaming geeks that can't stand losing.
Zemi Dahut Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:20:00 - [162] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: Von Druid Originally by: Gnulpie I hope CCP will do a rollback. They can do it all they time they want. Against whom should everyone fight now? Where should those awesome 500 vs 500 fleetfight come from? Where will the epic cap-ship battles happen? This is just stupid bullsh!t, someone just wants their 5 minutes of internet fame. But in the longer run it utterly hurts 0.0 and Eve in general. I am sure every single character that was in BOB will stop playing forever and not reform or something. Dude, its just so fricking random... It's just not fun and takes away alot from the game. This game is honestly being ruined by metagaming geeks that can't stand losing. That's why you raised a big fuss when TAFKAB did insert one of the many metagaming acts they commited here
FlameGlow Caldari Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:22:00 - [163] Originally by: Gnulpie I hope CCP will do a rollback. They can do it all they time they want. Against whom should everyone fight now? Where should those awesome 500 vs 500 fleetfight come from? Where will the epic cap-ship battles happen? This is just stupid bullsh!t, someone just wants their 5 minutes of internet fame. But in the longer run it utterly hurts 0.0 and Eve in general. AAA is the new public enemy #1 then _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button.
Storm Spotter Minmatar Armada. Onslaught.	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:22:00 - [164] Is there honestly no eve mail or director level/share based vote with CEO approval? I know little of corp management but it sounds like it's easier for a director in an executor corp to kick out corps and disband an alliance than to war dec someone or unlock BPO's??? Combat Analyzer: CCP checks n balance fail
Joe Martin Amarr Gunship Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:23:00 - [165] Edited by: Joe Martin on 05/02/2009 09:24:52 Originally by: 128th ABC123 Dude, its just so fricking random... It's just not fun and takes away alot from the game. This game is honestly being ruined by metagaming geeks that can't stand losing. It's an entirely legitimate part to the game, and it's something I'm almost certain CCP had in mind when designing the game. Ignoring it, taking no precautions to prevent it, or just generally standing on your e-honor soapbox is a great way to get fcked over by it. We all know that spies exist, and with that in mind measures should be taken to limit those not adequately trusted as far as roles and permissions go. A certain degree of controlled paranoia is and should be necessary for all alliances. Most of all, it isn't that* random either. Either a spy has been deliberately placed with intent to cause damage, or a series of concurrent events will lead an alliance member with proper roles/permissions to take action against his own Alliance. I sincerely doubt that he woke up this morning like any other morning and just decided that he wanted to ruin BoB for no particular reason other than to be random. There were multiple failures on behalf of the BoB directorate that directly lead to the events that happened, and they have no one to blame but themselves.
teji Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:26:00 - [166] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Dude, its just so fricking random... It's just not fun and takes away alot from the game. This game is honestly being ruined by metagaming geeks that can't stand losing. You mean BoB right? They were the metagamers that started this whole mess.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:27:00 - [167] This kind of stuff has been a good tradition ever since ASCN. If the account has not been hacked BoB just got a giant dose of their own medicine. Goons will get to swallow it at some point, too. You all decided to play that game, so take it like men :P
teji Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:27:00 - [168] Originally by: Storm Spotter Is there honestly no eve mail or director level/share based vote with CEO approval? I know little of corp management but it sounds like it's easier for a director in an executor corp to kick out corps and disband an alliance than to war dec someone or unlock BPO's??? Combat Analyzer: CCP checks n balance fail Nope, the 0.0 alliance controls are very primitive. Seems CCP has been spending all their time dealing with highsec construction corps instead of fixing 0.0 mechanics.
Miandris Malkier Caldari THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT	Posted - 2009.02.05 09:38:00 - [169] If this was a real case of infiltration in eve, it just beat the guiding hand social club great heist. Masterful killing blow by stealing the actual name of the alliance as well.
Jhagiti Tyran Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:14:00 - [170] Originally by: prefectro If this was the work of spies, and they did not hack any accounts, then this closing of an alliance should stay legit? Or will BOB be able to flex some of their connections? Maximum yarrage infiltrated another alliance holding corp and "stole" the alliance and when petitioned CCP restored the whole alliance to the previous owners so the precedent is set so if bob does get everything back I wouldn't be surprised.
Tar'an Tula Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:17:00 - [171] Originally by: teji Originally by: Storm Spotter Is there honestly no eve mail or director level/share based vote with CEO approval? I know little of corp management but it sounds like it's easier for a director in an executor corp to kick out corps and disband an alliance than to war dec someone or unlock BPO's??? Combat Analyzer: CCP checks n balance fail Nope, the 0.0 alliance controls are very primitive. Seems CCP has been spending all their time dealing with highsec construction corps instead of fixing 0.0 mechanics. boosh
Taradis Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:20:00 - [172]
Southern Suzy Minmatar THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:22:00 - [173] Originally by: xxxak Reserved. But I flew to BOB space and it was sorta empty. No **** sherlock.... Its not like they are out on a campaign in the south... So wait this is the end of my post allready? Moooooobbbbiiiiiieeeeeesssss
Kami Rikiushi Caldari Federation	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Gnulpie I hope CCP will do a rollback. They can do it all they time they want. Against whom should everyone fight now? Where should those awesome 500 vs 500 fleetfight come from? Where will the epic cap-ship battles happen? This is just stupid bullsh!t, someone just wants their 5 minutes of internet fame. But in the longer run it utterly hurts 0.0 and Eve in general. Lol, bitter bob alt detected Anyway bob has pulled this ** for ages, well maybe not on this scale, but they did the same type of ** with their so called meta-gaming, so now it just has to happen to them and unfortunatly for them, goons do it ten times better
Romulus Silvia Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:29:00 - [175] hacks
Kanoubi Amarr Rytiri Lva R.U.R.	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:40:00 - [176] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Agaue I like how everyone is stating their opinions like it is fact (like this random above), when in truth they have no idea what happened. I will state as a fact; 1) it wasnt a bill/money issue. 2) it wasnt spy related. Mittani isnt dumb enough to put his hand up and say he is responsible. I can confirm that we are responsible. I am dumb enough to put my hand up. No exploits were used. No accounts were logged into by anyone other than the account owner. In short, it was a pro operation not a BoB operation. Kiss Kiss! Since you are a CSM member , please care to explain how do you managed to have access to all that intel ? Aren't you the face all player community or just GOON side ?
Quebber Caldari Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:42:00 - [177] hmm... doesnt bob has a spy at director level in goons? what would stop them from doing the same to goons?
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:56:00 - [178] The fact that an alliance are proudly taking credit for this is immature and pathetic ! . I,m no great fan of BoB , and certainly no fan of Goons , especially after today , why somebody thinks this is funny for to happen to any alliance beats me . Cant beat an alliance so they have to resort to lame tactics . Sad individuals indeed . This will make Goons look even more pathetic than they already are , and hopefully increase the enemies they are making by gloating over something so pathetic in doing their utmost in trying to ruin a great game .
Goberth Ludwig Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:04:00 - [179] Goon hackers Sad. And pathetic. !! - Gob
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:05:00 - [180] Originally by: Conlin This will make Goons look even more pathetic than they already are , . hehehe as i tought that was never possible.. www.garia.net
Spyra Gryra Amarr Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:06:00 - [181] Originally by: Conlin The fact that an alliance are proudly taking credit for this is immature and pathetic ! . I,m no great fan of BoB , and certainly no fan of Goons , especially after today , why somebody thinks this is funny for to happen to any alliance beats me . Cant beat an alliance so they have to resort to lame tactics . Sad individuals indeed . This will make Goons look even more pathetic than they already are , and hopefully increase the enemies they are making by gloating over something so pathetic in doing their utmost in trying to ruin a great game . I see what you are saying, BoB never used metagaming tatics. They are the true guardians of justice in eve. It's a sad day
Quebber Caldari Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:10:00 - [182] Originally by: Spyra Gryra I see what you are saying, BoB never used metagaming tatics. They are the true guardians of justice in eve. It's a sad day Erm anyone get the feeling two wrongs dont make a right? - especially on this kind of level i think its just wrong, and will have a negative effect on eve.
portney Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:17:00 - [183] I can't read all of the above...............................but Is it a coincidence that HED-GP saw its first meaningful assault (albeit kind of weak, actually) within minutes to hours of the drama being played out in BOB ???
moranno Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:28:00 - [184] It is pathetic,to say the least,to defeat u`re sworn enemy like this. There is no bravery in this, no honor,no matter how much u hate u`re enemy. Without BOB the balance of power is broken and this will backfire on the goons. Old allies will become sworn enemies in situation like this,the proof is in the past. U glout now, but even without SOV3, all those POS`s dont come down by themselfs, all those stations dont flip over night and there is still a lot of GBC left. Dont believe this will be a walk in the park for ya`ll,coz it wont.
Dan Grensson Minmatar Taurus Inc	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:30:00 - [185] well ive just logged back down after downtime and BoB has not been restoredd, in existence or sovereignty, congrats GS.
Levitikon Gallente Destructive Influence	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:44:00 - [186] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Agaue I like how everyone is stating their opinions like it is fact (like this random above), when in truth they have no idea what happened. I will state as a fact; 1) it wasnt a bill/money issue. 2) it wasnt spy related. Mittani isnt dumb enough to put his hand up and say he is responsible. I can confirm that we are responsible. I am dumb enough to put my hand up. No exploits were used. No accounts were logged into by anyone other than the account owner. In short, it was a pro operation not a BoB operation. Kiss Kiss! and then mittani says "so I logged on his account...":)
Dan Grensson Minmatar Taurus Inc	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:47:00 - [187] Originally by: moranno It is pathetic,to say the least,to defeat u`re sworn enemy like this. There is no bravery in this, no honor,no matter how much u hate u`re enemy. Without BOB the balance of power is broken and this will backfire on the goons. Old allies will become sworn enemies in situation like this,the proof is in the past. U glout now, but even without SOV3, all those POS`s dont come down by themselfs, all those stations dont flip over night and there is still a lot of GBC left. Dont believe this will be a walk in the park for ya`ll,coz it wont. nice spelling. but seriously, BoB's effective invulnerability in Delve due to titans + cynojammers has gone on for too long, time to mix things up a bit in 0.0, dont you think?
StickyFingerz Amarr Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:55:00 - [188] Edited by: StickyFingerz on 05/02/2009 11:57:34 Edited by: StickyFingerz on 05/02/2009 11:56:22 Originally by: Joe Martin Edited by: Joe Martin on 05/02/2009 09:24:52 Originally by: 128th ABC123 Dude, its just so fricking random... It's just not fun and takes away alot from the game. This game is honestly being ruined by metagaming geeks that can't stand losing. It's an entirely legitimate part to the game, and it's something I'm almost certain CCP had in mind when designing the game. If its a inside job, then yes your right, but account hacking and such; thta has no place in the game, as nathan keeps telling everyone, that **s just not legal. tbh, my personal opinion is that, way to go goons; youve possibly killed off the last great oponent you had; after you finish with the pets; way to go with your all blue, NAP'd sad vision of 0,0. hug a tree and enjoy shooting yourselfs. no matter what you think of goons or bob, the eve universe was much richer with them 2 fighting it out; what now? MM, goons, rZ and such all hug together and make out for a few years? ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz if you cant win with ships, press deleate, w00t. seems pretty hollow to all the pilots that gave a ** about the day to day game; as apposed to the people who just cared about winning. congratulation to the goons, well done.
Captain Thunk Amarr Vale Tudo. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:08:00 - [189] Originally by: Levitikon and then mittani says "so I logged on his account...":) Yes he did. While talking about a forum account which he proceeded to say was confirmed the guy was legitimate and he archived and will make public. But you already know this, if you seriously think implying that there was account sharing going on is somehow going to restore your alliance then prepare to be as disappointed as around the time you first discovered you no longer belonged to an alliance. Captain Thunk
Cragen o'mass Caldari Fallen Nova FREELANCER ALLIANCE	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:24:00 - [190] kind of lucky bob ain't in the finals of the Alliance Tournament :P --------------------------------------- I R Tard
Dylan Chan Gallente Wings of Daedalus	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:27:00 - [191] Well no sense bickering.. only thing this really does it hurt the BoB brand.. the corps are still in tact and so is GBC. and I'm sure they have a ton of resources still.. so really it's a shallow victory.. the Bob War machine will not be put off for long.. interesting times we live in..
Ferocitana Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 12:58:00 - [192] I fear for Haargoth in RL, because Eve is serious business
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:24:00 - [193] Originally by: Kanoubi Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Agaue I like how everyone is stating their opinions like it is fact (like this random above), when in truth they have no idea what happened. I will state as a fact; 1) it wasnt a bill/money issue. 2) it wasnt spy related. Mittani isnt dumb enough to put his hand up and say he is responsible. I can confirm that we are responsible. I am dumb enough to put my hand up. No exploits were used. No accounts were logged into by anyone other than the account owner. In short, it was a pro operation not a BoB operation. Kiss Kiss! Since you are a CSM member , please care to explain how do you managed to have access to all that intel ? Aren't you the face all player community or just GOON side ? he represents his constituents, you know, the people who voted for him
Tyranis Bolke Minmatar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:25:00 - [194] Very, very well played by the Goons I think. Now, lets sit back and watch the entertainment as the Rush to claim BoB space begins.
Cynoria Storm Caldari Teo Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:31:00 - [195]
Dylan Chan Gallente Wings of Daedalus	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:49:00 - [196] Originally by: Tyranis Bolke Very, very well played by the Goons I think. Now, lets sit back and watch the entertainment as the Rush to claim BoB space begins. yeah and then watch the new BoB roll back over them as they retake the space.. kind of amusing really.. At least Bob doesn't have to fly across the map now to find pew pew..
Alois Hammer Minmatar Dinochrome Brigade Failure Imminent	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:54:00 - [197] OH MY GOD !!!! a BoB member complaining about an unfair move??? or spies??? or Honour???? the same guys that boasted "we will own Eve" ???? let me reboot my comp , it seems to have a memory malfunction.....
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.02.05 13:54:00 - [198] W H A T T H E F U C K Must have been hax, bob are not stupid enough to expose themselves that vulnerably. What will the new bob name be? EVE history t2 precisions
Valadeya uthanaras Amarr Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:12:00 - [199] I am not pro BoB, but from what mittani said "so I logged on his account..." This is CLEAR violation of EULA: part 2.B You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. So dont get your hope too high Goons ... I would not be impress if CCP reset the alliance and SOV and Ban Mittani in the process for EULA violation If CCP do act , they will probably restore all sov to level they were before said Violation of EULA, but Any asset loss will probably not be refund from the same EULA part 2.B "You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password." Where the valid interpretation of "any damage" is damage done to the Account itself (its caracter and the caracter asset) not the damage done BY the caracter. My .02 isk
Ace Frehley Minmatar Ore Mongers	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:14:00 - [200] Hurray whole eve is now blue to each other!! Now NC reached their goal, Mine in peacefull \o/ signature is not EVE related, please change. ~WeatherMan
UneFraiseDansUneChaise Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:14:00 - [201] Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras I am not pro BoB, but from what mittani said "so I logged on his account..." This is CLEAR violation of EULA: part 2.B You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. So dont get your hope too high Goons ... I would not be impress if CCP reset the alliance and SOV and Ban Mittani in the process for EULA violation If CCP do act , they will probably restore all sov to level they were before said Violation of EULA, but Any asset loss will probably not be refund from the same EULA part 2.B "You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password." Where the valid interpretation of "any damage" is damage done to the Account itself (its caracter and the caracter asset) not the damage done BY the caracter. My .02 isk forums account you dolt
Thetys Caldari Breed of Malakka	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:14:00 - [202] Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras I am not pro BoB, but from what mittani said "so I logged on his account..." This is CLEAR violation of EULA: part 2.B You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. So dont get your hope too high Goons ... I would not be impress if CCP reset the alliance and SOV and Ban Mittani in the process for EULA violation If CCP do act , they will probably restore all sov to level they were before said Violation of EULA, but Any asset loss will probably not be refund from the same EULA part 2.B "You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password." Where the valid interpretation of "any damage" is damage done to the Account itself (its caracter and the caracter asset) not the damage done BY the caracter. My .02 isk well spoken ------
Evan Rosier Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:14:00 - [203] Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras I am not pro BoB, but from what mittani said "so I logged on his account..." That was the BOB forums, not in game stupid. Everything was documented, no one logged into the game on other peoples accounts. They aren't stupid :x
Cribba Sebiestor Minmatar Malik Enterprises Inc	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:21:00 - [204] Whilst it's funny that this happened, i cannot see this being good as now who else's side can a person be on, it used to be Pro BOB or Pro Goons. No there isn't an alternative who are people gonna be Pro????? Goons now with more choices to be Pro, many unsure capsuleers will now be docked thinking about whose side to come out on, thus no mining,no missioning and no trading will go on.... you have just killed EVE. tongue firmly in cheek whilst writing this
Animenick Gallente Mobius Rising	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:23:00 - [205] Are there any updated influence maps for today? Interested to visually see the SOV loss.
minerdave Gallente Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:27:00 - [206] COUGH SPY SAPPIN MA ALLIANCE!!
mia mia Caldari Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:27:00 - [207] Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras "so I logged on his account..." This is CLEAR violation of EULA: part 2.B If you actually listened to the TS recording, it is obvious he is referring to BoB's forums. Not a game account. Not EVE forums. Since when does CCP's EULA cover outside forums? Try again.
moranno Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:29:00 - [208] http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Delve http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Querious http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Period_Basis
moranno Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:31:00 - [209] http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Band_of_Brothers/changes
Nguyen VanPhuoc Minmatar The Halibuts	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:42:00 - [210] Edited by: Nguyen VanPhuoc on 05/02/2009 15:06:04 Edited by: Nguyen VanPhuoc on 05/02/2009 15:04:36 Lets assume the following: Haargoth's account wasn't hacked. I cant see anyone being dumb enough to think they could get away with disbanding BoB (lol) using a hacked account. So to me it comes down to this. Who owns the Haargoth character/account and how? If the account was owned by Mittani since it's creation and he successfully infiltrated BoB then there is no comeback for BoB. If Haargoth owns the character/account still and has switched sides to Goons then there is no comeback for BoB (Mittani has spoken for Haargoth on the forums and in the MP3 explanation so it's possible). If the Haargoth account was sold to Mittani then that's an EULA violation, one which BoB could base a petition around. If the character was sold then it'd need to be via the Character Bazaar and somehow I'd think BoB might notice one of their directors selling the account I wonder which it will be :) Edited to change option 2 after reading some more. ___________________ MAXimum CAOD!
Technix Gallente DAB	Posted - 2009.02.05 14:58:00 - [211] Originally by: Nguyen VanPhuoc If the character was sold then it'd need to be via the Character Bazaar and somehow I'd think BoB might notice one of their directors selling the account [/list] Quote: Part of the Rules for selling a toon require you to have the said toon in a NPC corp. I think. Seems it will go one way or the other.
Mestoth Minmatar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:03:00 - [212] Edited by: Mestoth on 05/02/2009 15:04:37 Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras I am not pro BoB, but from what mittani said "so I logged on his account..." This is CLEAR violation of EULA: part 2.B You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. So dont get your hope too high Goons ... I would not be impress if CCP reset the alliance and SOV and Ban Mittani in the process for EULA violation If CCP do act , they will probably restore all sov to level they were before said Violation of EULA, but Any asset loss will probably not be refund from the same EULA part 2.B "You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password." Where the valid interpretation of "any damage" is damage done to the Account itself (its caracter and the caracter asset) not the damage done BY the caracter. My .02 isk Taking your EXACT quote "You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. Bolded the RELEVANT bits. Assuming the goons involved DID violate the TOS, the SECOND part of your quote from the EULA indemnifies CCP from having to do anything. At WORST, you would get banned for violating the first part of 2.B, however the results from any violation (or violations) are CLEARLY shown it also says "any damange", it doesnt say "any damage to that person, their account and their pet monkey"...any damage MEANS any damage, you disband an alliance, poor you, You loose a titan...poor you Not trying to start a flame war, but you cant choose to take the bits that make your argument and ignore the bits that counter it!. And yes, state the obvious, im in goonfleet. Seeing BoB go down like this does tickle me a bit, not going to deny it, but arguing about whether bob ever metagamed and OMG goon is teh evil (or teh win) is pointless, CCP will make a judgment, and we will ALL live with it one way or the other, no matter how many we add to posts
Zemi Dahut Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:04:00 - [213] Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Conlin This will make Goons look even more pathetic than they already are , . hehehe as i tought that was never possible.. anyway these things always backfire.. its an game and shouldnt make things personal. but now they have every reason to do so.. I realize you're a stupid pubbie with the attention span of a gnat but SirMolle already declared that this is as personal as it gets, two and a half years ago.
Daoi Sith Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.05 15:35:00 - [214] ITT thread lots whinging about metagaming with no proof a director disbanding the alliance is not metagaming spying, treachery, stealing assets and being a turncoat is not metagaming. discussing EvE outside of EvE in a forum does not constitute metagaming. there is no "disband alliance" button on the EvE website it was done IN GAME
Imutep Amarr Seven.	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:12:00 - [215] rofl, this game is so full of people spouting crap and short memories... BoB were king of the metagaming style of play and probably introduced most of it. But then people learnt, adapted to compete on the same level to survive and be better than them at it to win. What this guy did was an absolute classic but cheating?? Don't talk out of your collective bob buttkissing rears. This was espionage on speed, and deserves a well done. In some way I feel for some of the bobbits, because they haven't lost this war, the right to win or lose on the battlefield has likely been removed for them. But one way or another the playground bully always gets his come uppance :p
zzCoins Caldari Decorum Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:28:00 - [216] Edited by: zzCoins on 05/02/2009 16:28:06 Originally by: Aegis Osiris Originally by: Admiral Feelgood in the mp3 he is talking about getting forum logins not ingame logins, he later says that the character is doing all the in game things himself Seems clear in listening to it he means the logins for the game. The forum rules probably prohibit users impersonating other users, so using someone elses forum login is illegal. Mittens should be banned and BoB restored
Daoi Sith Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:51:00 - [217] Originally by: zzCoins Edited by: zzCoins on 05/02/2009 16:28:06 Originally by: Aegis Osiris Originally by: Admiral Feelgood in the mp3 he is talking about getting forum logins not ingame logins, he later says that the character is doing all the in game things himself Seems clear in listening to it he means the logins for the game. The forum rules probably prohibit users impersonating other users, so using someone elses forum login is illegal. Mittens should be banned and BoB restored how does CCP have rules over a third party forum ? they are not talking about the eve forums in the mp3.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:53:00 - [218] Originally by: Ace Frehley Hurray whole eve is now blue to each other!! Now NC reached their goal, Mine in peacefull \o/ LOL...I love that out of all the things that could possibly be said about this situation (none of it having anything to do with the "NC"), your big choice is to say "quack quack NC quack quack." Awesome, man. Thanks for a bit of comic relief. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Xiao Tek Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:53:00 - [219] I interpreted it as being about the BOB forums, not the eve-o forums. Either way prepare for interesting times.
Quigon Jimm Caldari First Flying Wing Inc Primary.	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:54:00 - [220] sniffs can anyone else smell win-sauce round here?
Apocalisys Amarr Caldari Deep Space Ventures Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 16:59:00 - [221] Originally by: zzCoins Edited by: zzCoins on 05/02/2009 16:28:06 Originally by: Aegis Osiris Originally by: Admiral Feelgood in the mp3 he is talking about getting forum logins not ingame logins, he later says that the character is doing all the in game things himself Seems clear in listening to it he means the logins for the game. The forum rules probably prohibit users impersonating other users, so using someone elses forum login is illegal. Mittens should be banned and BoB restored You should read this forum and listen the MP3 AGAIN, the forum that the recorded TS is talking about is THE BOB FORUM, not EVE GAME or EVE FORUM. I'm neutral and hostile for every one here, but i can see Goonswarm did a hell of the job and defeat his enemy with one of the old weapons in this world and the real one, a SPY. And for those who think CCP will save your BOB ass cuz the account got hacked, KEEP DREAMING, the EULA say account hack = ban and also say damage done is your problem and will not restore anything. So i'm glad to post in this epic topic about this epic BOB fall in this epic day for EVE Online. God Speed!!! Apocalisys - CDSV - ARCANE ALLIANCE (INTEL) Joscelynn - CDSV - ARCANE AALIANCE (Combat Pilot)
Shane Darman Gallente Anatolian Diligentia Burning Horizons	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:08:00 - [222] its a bit contradicting after everyone is saying how dishonorable this is when AAA have been paying GS Directors to post chat logs, forum posts and to offline Poses, to have a rebuttal by Goonswarm this way lol. better part yet though, GS didn't even have to pay Haargoth =). Lets just wait for when Mittani/Haargoth post the archived BoB n BCN Forums.
RocoTheCircusMonkey Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:10:00 - [223] This was a disgruntled BoB director that went rogue, plain and simple. There will be no rollback.
Aya Gallente coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:11:00 - [224] Edited by: Aya on 05/02/2009 17:11:20 Originally by: RocoTheCircusMonkey This was a disgruntled BoB director that went rogue, plain and simple. There will be no rollback. You know that for sure?? Or your hit l er-esque leader tell you that?
PlanetXMail Amarr Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:15:00 - [225] Right now it appears to be legit.... but in the future there CLEARLY needs to be changes made to the game mechanics for corporate espionage and disbaning of dozens of corps and losing ALL sov literally after one hour of DT (downtime).. It's ridiculiously unrealistic. Think about ONE person being able to disband the UK or USA, just ONE person? This simply would not be possible. EVE and CCP needs to rethink how this could happen. I think no less than 2 accounts (therefore 2 spies) need to be in agreement to do major actions like disbanding corps and mismantling a HUGE EVE alliance. I am not defending BoB, but rather EVE itself. Sure, spies are in Real Life, sure stuff happens. But, to dismantle an entire super power in EVE with a few clicks of a mouse button, and have the SOV change overnight is simply unrealistic. I am sure we will see some changes made to EVE mechanics in regards to how all this happened. (One player can do all this?) Unrealistic at best.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:22:00 - [226] Originally by: Nguyen VanPhuoc Edited by: Nguyen VanPhuoc on 05/02/2009 15:06:04 Edited by: Nguyen VanPhuoc on 05/02/2009 15:04:36 Lets assume the following: Haargoth's account wasn't hacked. I cant see anyone being dumb enough to think they could get away with disbanding BoB (lol) using a hacked account. So to me it comes down to this. Who owns the Haargoth character/account and how? If the account was owned by Mittani since it's creation and he successfully infiltrated BoB then there is no comeback for BoB. If Haargoth owns the character/account still and has switched sides to Goons then there is no comeback for BoB (Mittani has spoken for Haargoth on the forums and in the MP3 explanation so it's possible). If the Haargoth account was sold to Mittani then that's an EULA violation, one which BoB could base a petition around. If the character was sold then it'd need to be via the Character Bazaar and somehow I'd think BoB might notice one of their directors selling the account I wonder which it will be :) Edited to change option 2 after reading some more. characters sold in the sell orders area are REQUIRED to be in a npc corp at the time of sale. Anything else is a violation of the rules.
KalamMek Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:23:00 - [227] Originally by: Aya You know that for sure?? Or your hit l er-esque leader tell you that? My CEO MEIN FUHRER! Actually he's not, but hey might as well play along. Thank you Godwin's Law for predicting Aya's wonderful post.
vahu shamy Gallente SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:30:00 - [228] What BOB?
Delc Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:33:00 - [229] Why can't people just face the fact that one member or spy, defecting or not, sat in the alliance working up the food chain to totally dominate BOB. We all know there are two sides to this, one's who hate BOB and one's that follow. PICK ONE!
Leif Lun Minmatar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:54:00 - [230] Originally by: PlanetXMail ...to dismantle an entire super power in EVE with a few clicks of a mouse button, and have the SOV change overnight is simply unrealistic. I am sure we will see some changes made to EVE mechanics in regards to how all this happened. (One player can do all this?) Unrealistic at best. May I suggest that it is not unrealistic? Consider, for example, the fall of the Incas. I suspect you are correct about changes in game mechanics, but I find this to be an unique and fascinating episode.
Daoi Sith Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.05 17:58:00 - [231] Originally by: PlanetXMail Right now it appears to be legit.... but in the future there CLEARLY needs to be changes made to the game mechanics for corporate espionage and disbaning of dozens of corps and losing ALL sov literally after one hour of DT (downtime).. It's ridiculiously unrealistic. Think about ONE person being able to disband the UK or USA, just ONE person? This simply would not be possible. EVE and CCP needs to rethink how this could happen. I think no less than 2 accounts (therefore 2 spies) need to be in agreement to do major actions like disbanding corps and mismantling a HUGE EVE alliance. I am not defending BoB, but rather EVE itself. Sure, spies are in Real Life, sure stuff happens. But, to dismantle an entire super power in EVE with a few clicks of a mouse button, and have the SOV change overnight is simply unrealistic. I am sure we will see some changes made to EVE mechanics in regards to how all this happened. (One player can do all this?) Unrealistic at best. well, the eve page on alliances does make it quite clear that those protections ARE NOT in place and to be VERY careful. i dont suppose BoB could be bothered to have read it ? Alliances "The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor Support. It is up to individual members of the alliance to make informed decisions regarding actions and empower the executor to carry out the consensus. The amount of responsibility vested in the executor should also mean that executor corporations or individuals who act against the wishes of the alliance should be replaced as quickly as possible to ensure continued operation of the Alliance "
PlanetXMail Amarr Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:11:00 - [232] Well as you have stated BY CPP, yes there is great concern if a bad apple appears as executing director. However, there was no 24 hr role change timer... as there is if I want to leave a Corporation I have roles in. Yet, someone is able to dismantle an entire Alliance, with NO 24 hour timer, and NO evemail or anything sent to the other participating directors, about the disbanding of their 4 year 'blood and sweat' alliance? Come on, whatever CCP warns us able, NEEDS a timer at least.
Breaky Uzumaki Caldari The Greater Moon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:20:00 - [233] Forums account != in-game account. Learn to listen. It's stated clearly.
Daoi Sith Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:24:00 - [234] Edited by: Daoi Sith on 05/02/2009 18:28:57 Originally by: PlanetXMail Well as you have stated BY CPP, yes there is great concern if a bad apple appears as executing director. However, there was no 24 hr role change timer... as there is if I want to leave a Corporation I have roles in. Yet, someone is able to dismantle an entire Alliance, with NO 24 hour timer, and NO evemail or anything sent to the other participating directors, about the disbanding of their 4 year 'blood and sweat' alliance? Come on, whatever CCP warns us able, NEEDS a timer at least. i totally agree it needs to change. but its been asked for before when it happened to other alliances. i ask, why now the outrage and not before ? it has happened before and CCP knew it could happen yet they didnt change the mechanic. the only conclusion is (based on that alliance link and what is currently implemented) is that they had it on their to do list but it was of so little importance it had not been done yet, despite the mechanic being there for years. now that BoB is affected, will it become important to them ? and is that fair to the previous alliances and corps that BoB infiltrated and used similar tactics on ? as with government officials, CCP should tread carefully here. public perception of preferential treatment (even if it doesnt exist) is a very bad thing for all players morale. when players feel that other players have an unfair advantage or access to resources they dont have, it poisons the trust relationship.
Cribba Sebiestor Minmatar Malik Enterprises Inc	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:36:00 - [235] Edited by: Cribba Sebiestor on 05/02/2009 18:36:34 Looking at all the evidence, it is a legit happening. As someone said it is absurd that one person can do it, and tbh i would have thought the only person that would be able to would be the CEO of the executor corp. Otherwise this thing as has been said will happen every time a director in an Alliance has to sweep out the hangers for the 3rd week in a row. But a word of caution, if this has happened to BOB then presumably there is nothing to stop it happening to Goonswarm either. People in glass houses should not fire neutron blasters.
mia mia Caldari Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:37:00 - [236] Edited by: mia mia on 05/02/2009 18:38:08 Originally by: PlanetXMail in the future there CLEARLY needs to be changes made to the game mechanics for corporate espionage and disbaning of dozens of corps and losing ALL sov literally after one hour of DT (downtime).. Why? Why can't I disband my alliance if I have the authority to do so? Why can't the CEO of the alliance executor corp kick corps from their alliance? I think this is a great game mechanic. Give me a good reason this shouldn't be allowed. As distasteful as the BoB director's action may seem to you, I haven't seen a good reason why this shouldn't be allowed. Originally by: PlanetXMail It's ridiculiously unrealistic. Says the guy playing an internet spaceship game.
David Grogan Gallente The Motley Crew	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:38:00 - [237] perhaps BoB disbanded due to the global recession lol Isk is worthless :P SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
SMB's TheJoker Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:44:00 - [238] Originally by: PlanetXMail Well as you have stated BY CPP, yes there is great concern if a bad apple appears as executing director. However, there was no 24 hr role change timer... as there is if I want to leave a Corporation I have roles in. Yet, someone is able to dismantle an entire Alliance, with NO 24 hour timer, and NO evemail or anything sent to the other participating directors, about the disbanding of their 4 year 'blood and sweat' alliance? Come on, whatever CCP warns us able, NEEDS a timer at least. Dude, if this was some low/medium sized alliance in any diffrent part of Eve - none of your arguments would be raised here. All your whining serves no point anywhere. The only issue currently at hand is the fact if the director in question was on a hacked account or not. All the rest is mute. If BoB didnt teach their art of war so well to their foes, Goons would have never resolved to using a spy to slay a major blow at BoB. The only *****ing that goes around here is the fact that Goons did their spy-act ten times better from both pets like you ( yes, I was in NC when you guys screwed us for some cheap moons) or bobbits themself who cant accept the fact they got owned by their own tactics. Why off-line a cyno jammer like BoB did in the past when you can off-line the whole damn alliance...? Personnally I think its a excellent tactic - Goons only mistake would have been not to use such a great asset. I dont say I like Goons - personnally I dont think they are any diffrent from BoB besides their name and location. Goons are a bunch of selfish ego-trippers who in a near or distant future will suffer a fate similar to BoB cause of the size of their structure or collapse under an outside force. Its the eb and flow of any power state weather in real-life or a simulation. The only thing the powers-that-be can do is postpone it but sooner or later it happens none the less. Napoleon once said: fight an enemy too often and you'll teach him all your art of war. Bonaparte made that mistake - BoB thoughd appearently too highly of themselfs to heed his warning.
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:47:00 - [239] BoB had a good run, and though i may mourn their passing - I say Kudos to Goon. It will certainly change the eternal stalemate that was in place. The collapse of such a massive alliance does deserve it's own cronicle.
Sakurako Kimino Caldari OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2009.02.05 18:48:00 - [240] i just woner who will goons go after next, now this has been done does this mean the end of blob warfare now to get ride of a sov holding alliance all you need is a spy and then to cose the the alliance sov gone move in take space very cheap and very easy. so will goons now close all the alliance in the gbc and will it then do the same to the nc making itself the most powerfull alliance in the game. will they then tell all alliance look pay us or else will do this to you. you know they can. i wounder if the holding corp of goons have any directors left in it as they must make sure this can't happen to them. also we now know that goon could never kill bob anyother way if they could they would have.
Tibrius Archer Minmatar Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:04:00 - [241] Originally by: Sakurako Kimino i just woner who will goons go after next, now this has been done does this mean the end of blob warfare now to get ride of a sov holding alliance all you need is a spy and then to cose the the alliance sov gone move in take space very cheap and very easy. so will goons now close all the alliance in the gbc and will it then do the same to the nc making itself the most powerfull alliance in the game. will they then tell all alliance look pay us or else will do this to you. you know they can. i wounder if the holding corp of goons have any directors left in it as they must make sure this can't happen to them. also we now know that goon could never kill bob anyother way if they could they would have. Nice post until the last fan boy line. Its so funny all the elite rhetoric bob pump out then this happened to them. At the end of the day its all role-play so we can relax. ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
PlanetXMail Amarr Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:13:00 - [242] Edited by: PlanetXMail on 05/02/2009 19:15:21 I agree with BoB had it coming... i agree that blob warfare is flawed in terms of titans and DD and server crashes, both client and server side, and the lag... just to gain sov. So, what is left is to dismantle the alliance on a click of the 'alliance off switch', is yet another flaw or 'work around' in this case, of not liking POS warfare. YES, an this is BIG NEWS cuz of a major alliance is 'turned off' by the seemingly no timer Alliance OFF button. There are MANY issues here... I hope CCP takes notice, even if that means using a major alliance fall as an EXAMPLE that something is amiss. I don't care about BoB, I have no favoritisms, yes I know this is a GAME. But, EVE is one of the more realistic GAMES, and the reason why I play it and not WOW or EQ. (Not to smash those MMO's, they are not my preference. ) It is usually CCP good track record to obverse and deligate. This is up to CCP, but when I see the Influence map go from blue blob in lower left, to yellow (exe outcomes) in a matter of ONE downtime ( and the work of time as a spy ) still... I am sticking to me point... no timer... no warning... something is WRONG with the mechanics of this awesome game called EVE. Regardless, if BoB did such tactics and perfected it, only to teach Goons is an EPIC lesson of the art of war... But, now that things are even, if you want to took at it that way, BoB got what they did to other smaller alliances... fair is fair. Now CCP fix the problem... Still its good fun. And makes news. blah blah I'm done with this issue... just feel strongly something 'seems' wrong here. Game mechanics wise.
Dev Rom Caldari Masterminds Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:38:00 - [243] Originally by: Storm Spotter Is there honestly no eve mail or director level/share based vote with CEO approval? I know little of corp management but it sounds like it's easier for a director in an executor corp to kick out corps and disband an alliance than to war dec someone or unlock BPO's??? Combat Analyzer: CCP checks n balance fail And Soon(tm) we will see websites that sell the "Disband an alliance for 100$. Guarantee delivered next down time!" on their stores. Pretty terrible! I am not your carpet ride, I am the sky..
Dev Rom Caldari Masterminds Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:43:00 - [244] Originally by: Joe Martin Edited by: Joe Martin on 05/02/2009 09:24:52 Originally by: 128th ABC123 Dude, its just so fricking random... It's just not fun and takes away alot from the game. This game is honestly being ruined by metagaming geeks that can't stand losing. It's an entirely legitimate part to the game, and it's something I'm almost certain CCP had in mind when designing the game. Ignoring it, taking no precautions to prevent it, or just generally standing on your e-honor soapbox is a great way to get fcked over by it. We all know that spies exist, and with that in mind measures should be taken to limit those not adequately trusted as far as roles and permissions go. A certain degree of controlled paranoia is and should be necessary for all alliances. Most of all, it isn't that* random either. Either a spy has been deliberately placed with intent to cause damage, or a series of concurrent events will lead an alliance member with proper roles/permissions to take action against his own Alliance. I sincerely doubt that he woke up this morning like any other morning and just decided that he wanted to ruin BoB for no particular reason other than to be random. There were multiple failures on behalf of the BoB directorate that directly lead to the events that happened, and they have no one to blame but themselves. All correct and I agree to you. But I have to say that a simple botton connected on that director brain has deleted sov. Imho this is conceptual bug. What about other member opinion? Maybe the other corps would not agree to that decision and remain an alliance with their (small) pos? I am not your carpet ride, I am the sky..
Freezehunter Gallente O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.05 19:54:00 - [245] Edited by: Freezehunter on 05/02/2009 19:54:27 IMHO the game should not grant full power to screw up everything with only a single director role... Eve should require multiple inputs from multiple directors/CEOs for this kind of stuff to be possible... As for the problem of directors quitting the game, make it possible to bypass a director if he has not been online for more than a month... _________________________________________________ Yo mommah!
Khandara Seraphim Amarr StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:46:00 - [246] Originally by: Freezehunter Edited by: Freezehunter on 05/02/2009 19:54:27 IMHO the game should not grant full power to screw up everything with only a single director role... Eve should require multiple inputs from multiple directors/CEOs for this kind of stuff to be possible... As for the problem of directors quitting the game, make it possible to bypass a director if he has not been online for more than a month... You need to be a director in the executor corporation... as most alliances' executor corps are small holding corps it would be very difficult indeed to get a spy far enough in to pull this off. Congratulate the goons on pulling off an impossible stunt if you want but don't underestimate how hard it actually is to get access to pull the plug. However I totally agree that MIA directors/CEOs should have better solutions
Yourbane Minmatar Geb's Call Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:48:00 - [247] Well as usual goons are doing an awesome job... ... on the forum :p I mean seriously you guys took advantage of this random (I hope for you) story to put your name on it and make ppl think bob is over. Awesome - Now ppl tend to forget that BoB will run as fine without an Alliance around the corps as with it ... and if they lost BNC's assets they still surely have 75% of their assets, which means they still are rich enough to go back and claim any space they want - I never was a BoB fan, but it's so very nice to hear that for once they are completely free of the sovereignty ties and going for full war. Awesome - if goons actually 'did' this ... lol thanks guys, I'll go get my popcorn. And uh for people who think this was legit . very interesting so : A guy spends years and years in BoB to have the ultimate thrill of pressing 'the' button ... why not. But then how many 'serious' alliances have seen this happen ? Last time some in-game spying on a 'serious' alliance occured, they just downed a titan ... Guess what .. no proof yet and if goons are saying it's true and don't provide any proof .. well they're gooning again, and you know how it is when they do that, they're always wrong - and annoying ofc. but that's in the job description ^^ So I invite everyone to wait and see, and maybe bring all their alts at 0.0 choke points to make them drop (yeah if you go to see the war, u'll just turn it off), so we can see how goons handle bob one on one ^^
Stretchmeat Crotchquake Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 20:55:00 - [248] Originally by: Yourbane Well as usual goons are doing an awesome job... ... on the forum :p haha what
Akthuul Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:26:00 - [249] The thing that I find most ******ed in this whole matter is that someone had full directorship in BOTH his own corp AND the HOLDING corp. Other than that, all the windging and whining and all that jazz that goes with it is just silly. Its very sad that it results in meta-gaming to ruin any alliance. I'm not pro-bob so don't bother throwing that in my face. I'm pro shooting anything that isnt blue :)
Sakurako Kimino Caldari OffBeat Creations	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:30:00 - [250] Originally by: Tibrius Archer Originally by: Sakurako Kimino i just woner who will goons go after next, now this has been done does this mean the end of blob warfare now to get ride of a sov holding alliance all you need is a spy and then to cose the the alliance sov gone move in take space very cheap and very easy. so will goons now close all the alliance in the gbc and will it then do the same to the nc making itself the most powerfull alliance in the game. will they then tell all alliance look pay us or else will do this to you. you know they can. i wounder if the holding corp of goons have any directors left in it as they must make sure this can't happen to them. also we now know that goon could never kill bob anyother way if they could they would have. Nice post until the last fan boy line. Its so funny all the elite rhetoric bob pump out then this happened to them. At the end of the day its all role-play so we can relax. yes it is all role play but it was on a fan boy line, think of this why would you close an strong alliance like bob when you can wipe the floor with them and make them beg to get there stuff out of 0.0 safely. personal i think bob corps will reform under a newname then go after goons. -But we will have to wait and see if i'm right p.s. who said i was a boy
Devian 666 Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:33:00 - [251] You do realise that BoB was disbanded in-game? How is it meta gaming that a director finds the culture inside BoB so horrible and arrogant that he not only wants to leave, but he's prepared to do damage as well. Friendly and fun environment > BoB http://obeythekitten.com/
chrisss0r Minmatar Havoc Violence and Chaos The Church.	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:06:00 - [252] The Power of the Capsuleer For he can determine the fait of billions.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:08:00 - [253] Originally by: Yourbane Well as usual goons are doing an awesome job... ... on the forum :p I mean seriously you guys took advantage of this random (I hope for you) story to put your name on it and make ppl think bob is over. Awesome - Now ppl tend to forget that BoB will run as fine without an Alliance around the corps as with it ... and if they lost BNC's assets they still surely have 75% of their assets, which means they still are rich enough to go back and claim any space they want - I never was a BoB fan, but it's so very nice to hear that for once they are completely free of the sovereignty ties and going for full war. Awesome - if goons actually 'did' this ... lol thanks guys, I'll go get my popcorn. And uh for people who think this was legit . very interesting so : A guy spends years and years in BoB to have the ultimate thrill of pressing 'the' button ... why not. But then how many 'serious' alliances have seen this happen ? Last time some in-game spying on a 'serious' alliance occured, they just downed a titan ... Guess what .. no proof yet and if goons are saying it's true and don't provide any proof .. well they're gooning again, and you know how it is when they do that, they're always wrong - and annoying ofc. but that's in the job description ^^ So I invite everyone to wait and see, and maybe bring all their alts at 0.0 choke points to make them drop (yeah if you go to see the war, u'll just turn it off), so we can see how goons handle bob one on one ^^ your rationalizations are yet another hilarious example of the inherent flaws in human cognition ^_^
Fragito Gallente Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:11:00 - [254] Why does everyone go to meta gaming. Do not post before reading the entirety of this thread; repetitive posting and irrelevant information is cumbersome to read. It has been clearly shown (not proved) that a higher-level director turned on his own and disbanded the alliance, but then we cannot dismiss the possibility that this director was an alt, which would then reconstitute the chance of spying; one heck of a good showing for a spy. There is no apparent information, and absolutely no proof, that any hacking or account sharing has occurred, although evidence on this is not available to the general EVE population. Is the disbanding of Band of Brothers good or bad for the greater EVE community? Any response given by me will be regarded as biased, as I am part of the Goonswarm side of things, but I believe it will be beneficial. There will be less fights won by shear numbers or amount of titans; this game was approaching the point where the superpower alliance could drop multiple titans and theoretically doomsday a cap fleet. There are still hostilities ongoing in 0.0, and the mad rush into the abandoned space for sovereignty is only going to spark new conflicts over moons, constellations and stations. This is a game that is mostly played for its PvP aspect, regardless of the last couple of industrial favored patches and expansions, and alliances and coalitions will find something to fight over. Band of Brothers is probably gone (pending review), but this does not mean their allegiance has been severed. Yes, market prices will rise in certain regions due to the loss of the farmers that Band of Brothers controlled or protected, depends on your perception. They might be retaken and restored, who knows, but it will make for an interesting year. - Fragito
Sidis Aran Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.05 23:39:00 - [255] So I was in NOL and I heard something happened to the Band of Brothers player alliance, can anyone confirm this? All I seen were a bunch of neutral pilots.
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:24:00 - [256] Originally by: Sidis Aran So I was in NOL and I heard something happened to the Band of Brothers player alliance, can anyone confirm this? All I seen were a bunch of neutral pilots. Way to miss 9 pages of discussion. I completely agree with the post before the above tho. Also - to those who complain that this is an underhanded tactic. Yes, it is. But come on, is there seriously anyother alliance that could field as many ships as BoB? As far as i know, no. So why would you fight a conventional, unwinnable war when you can pick your fights and behead the command structure or cripple the communication structure - which is essentially what they did, using a turn-coat.
Jack Gilligan Caldari Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:36:00 - [257] All I can say is that inarguably, today was one of the biggest events in the history of EVE. And proof of how awesome the sandbox game concept is when players, not developers, are allowed to run things. :) I am looking forward to the fights that will come of this. BOB may be dead, but "the alliance formerly known as BOB" isn't, many good fights ahead for us all to enjoy. --- My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance.
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:38:00 - [258] Originally by: Jack Gilligan All I can say is that inarguably, today was one of the biggest events in the history of EVE. And proof of how awesome the sandbox game concept is when players, not developers, are allowed to run things. :) I am looking forward to the fights that will come of this. BOB may be dead, but "the alliance formerly known as BOB" isn't, many good fights ahead for us all to enjoy. There you go. New cool name. "The Alliance formerly known as BoB" AFB? AFK? etc.
Sekundar Burnes Caldari Woopatang Primary.	Posted - 2009.02.06 00:55:00 - [259] Originally by: Aaron Kyoto I completely agree with the post before the above tho. Also - to those who complain that this is an underhanded tactic. Yes, it is. But come on, is there seriously anyother alliance that could field as many ships as BoB? As far as i know, no. So why would you fight a conventional, unwinnable war when you can pick your fights and behead the command structure or cripple the communication structure - which is essentially what they did, using a turn-coat. I don't think its an underhanded tactic, all evidence so far makes it look legitimate and not all that different from stuff that's gone on before. This certainly points out a need to overhaul the alliance administration interface. If it doesn't get fixed we're going to see a few more of these bombs get tossed, and that can't be good. Ask yourself: are you willing to go to the trouble to build a huge alliance knowing that all it takes is one person, one time, to instantly disable it?
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.06 01:05:00 - [260] Originally by: Sekundar Burnes Originally by: Aaron Kyoto I completely agree with the post before the above tho. Also - to those who complain that this is an underhanded tactic. Yes, it is. But come on, is there seriously anyother alliance that could field as many ships as BoB? As far as i know, no. So why would you fight a conventional, unwinnable war when you can pick your fights and behead the command structure or cripple the communication structure - which is essentially what they did, using a turn-coat. I don't think its an underhanded tactic, all evidence so far makes it look legitimate and not all that different from stuff that's gone on before. This certainly points out a need to overhaul the alliance administration interface. If it doesn't get fixed we're going to see a few more of these bombs get tossed, and that can't be good. Ask yourself: are you willing to go to the trouble to build a huge alliance knowing that all it takes is one person, one time, to instantly disable it? Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's not a ligitimate way to behead an alliance. I just mean it's not a conventional style of warefare. It's like political assassination, exept someone is actually claiming they did it.
Cpt Underpants Caldari SUNDERING Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.02.06 01:06:00 - [261] Originally by: Aaron Kyoto There you go. New cool name. "The Alliance formerly known as BoB" AFB? AFK? etc. It's already being referred to as either TAFKAB or TAFKA-Bob.
Aaron Kyoto Minmatar Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.02.06 01:07:00 - [262] Originally by: Cpt Underpants Originally by: Aaron Kyoto There you go. New cool name. "The Alliance formerly known as BoB" AFB? AFK? etc. It's already being referred to as either TAFKAB or TAFKA-Bob. Haha, better than what i came up with, at least it can be pronounced.. Taff-cab. Lawl.
Elecktra Blue Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.06 01:11:00 - [263] Originally by: Yourbane Well as usual goons are doing an awesome job... ... on the forum :p I mean seriously you guys took advantage of this random (I hope for you) story to put your name on it and make ppl think bob is over. Awesome - Now ppl tend to forget that BoB will run as fine without an Alliance around the corps as with it ... and if they lost BNC's assets they still surely have 75% of their assets, which means they still are rich enough to go back and claim any space they want - I never was a BoB fan, but it's so very nice to hear that for once they are completely free of the sovereignty ties and going for full war. Awesome - if goons actually 'did' this ... lol thanks guys, I'll go get my popcorn. And uh for people who think this was legit . very interesting so : A guy spends years and years in BoB to have the ultimate thrill of pressing 'the' button ... why not. But then how many 'serious' alliances have seen this happen ? Last time some in-game spying on a 'serious' alliance occured, they just downed a titan ... Guess what .. no proof yet and if goons are saying it's true and don't provide any proof .. well they're gooning again, and you know how it is when they do that, they're always wrong - and annoying ofc. but that's in the job description ^^ So I invite everyone to wait and see, and maybe bring all their alts at 0.0 choke points to make them drop (yeah if you go to see the war, u'll just turn it off), so we can see how goons handle bob one on one ^^ Hmm, you are in FTZ, so your opinion does not really count unless you paid for that service from TCF.
yani dumyat Minmatar Connoisseurs Of Hallucination Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.02.06 02:03:00 - [264] It's ridiculous that one person should be able to bring down a massive institution overnight. CCP please nerf the global banking system to make sure this never happens again....oh wait.
Commander Ashik Minmatar We See Dead People	Posted - 2009.02.06 02:20:00 - [265] I say Congrats to the Goons. They had the balls to pull this off. They shouldn't be ashamed of themselves for giving BoB a dose of its own medicine. If anything, they should be applauded. BoB FTL & Goons FTW!
cheese monkey Minmatar SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.02.06 02:24:00 - [266] I guess it depends on how you wana play the game. I hated BoB, but they were the best. I mean look at everything they did! They werent doing too great anyways so goonz didnt have to do this. So basically goonz can do whatever they want in eve now and cant be stopped, i mean before it took the strongest alliance in the game and 20 freaking titans!! The beginning of the end i think. Do goonz have a purpose now? I mean BoB was what made goonz goonz! They really wana live with no-one that can stop them, no challenge? no fun? I forsee massive player loss. (my questions where rhetoric, please dont flame, discuss)
Jackal 911 Caldari Ixion Defence Systems Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.02.06 03:53:00 - [267] I doubt you'll see player loss, with eve shipping to stores. You'll see the same #'s, if not more... More noobs to shoot? I call that incentive to stick around.
Teschan Amarr Quam Singulari Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.06 03:54:00 - [268] this is bollox, does everyone agree this is bollox?
derek23 Gallente Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.02.06 05:33:00 - [269] lol i think Disbanded of Brothers is in denile that this happend...time to see ccp help them out
Aniel Zaar Gallente Light of Orion Soviet Mercenary	Posted - 2009.02.06 06:23:00 - [270] Edited by: Aniel Zaar on 06/02/2009 06:23:19 BoB planned it all to hide themselves from certain and humiliating defeat. They shot themselves in the head, died, will rot, and then a new alliance will grow from that fertilized soil. Or maybe it's just going to remain a rotten corpse.
Korerin Mayul Amarr The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.06 06:44:00 - [271] i would be absolutly gutted if i was in bob. however, one of the strong points of this game is that the gloves are off. if its in-game (and it seems as if it was) then its lagit. And unfortunitlly, despite some people moaning to the contrary; espionage is easier for the attacker then the pos warfare system at present. tinfoil hat of cource, CCP set this up to rais publiciry of the game before the patch 05/02 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! WAKEUP SHEEPLE!!!! but seriously, 0.0 (or the west at least) is now going to be de-stabelised for months; thirdspace opening will pull the balence back towards empire the definitive 'endgame' of eve 0.0 will now be in flux this will (hopefully) allow the retail carebares to gain a foothold in empire and... if all goes to plan, balence the game! all credit to decarus who helped me thrash out this TOTALLY REASONABLE theory last night :P
Aktanom Amarr Cryodyne LTD Fatal alliance	Posted - 2009.02.06 07:28:00 - [272] bob is dead - long live the new bob: goonswarm...
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.06 09:31:00 - [273] I,ve read the majority of posts re : BoB , and I,m disgusted ! As I said previously I was no fan of BoB or Goons , I see a lot of Goons jumping on the bandwagon taking full responsibility for the fall of Bob , and a few Goons backtracking , and a handful , themselves disgusted by the recent events . If I personally was a member of Goons right now ?!! ..... I'd be looking for a new home . To be part of an alliance that think cheating is a way to win a game , and it is just a game , I'd be embarrassed to call myself a Goon . The simple fact of the matter is this ,its nothing to be proud of .And if thats all you have to be proud of , then its not much of an alliance , and doesnt have a right to exist . I wish all BoB members the best of luck , I hope you can get over this and make a come back . To Goons I say this ......... What goes around comes around !!!
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Freedom From Fear Industries The Second Genesis	Posted - 2009.02.06 10:27:00 - [274] Originally by: Conlin I,ve read the majority of posts re : BoB , and I,m disgusted ! As I said previously I was no fan of BoB or Goons , I see a lot of Goons jumping on the bandwagon taking full responsibility for the fall of Bob , and a few Goons backtracking , and a handful , themselves disgusted by the recent events . If I personally was a member of Goons right now ?!! ..... I'd be looking for a new home . To be part of an alliance that think cheating is a way to win a game , and it is just a game , I'd be embarrassed to call myself a Goon . The simple fact of the matter is this ,its nothing to be proud of .And if thats all you have to be proud of , then its not much of an alliance , and doesnt have a right to exist . I wish all BoB members the best of luck , I hope you can get over this and make a come back . To Goons I say this ......... What goes around comes around !!! but, you're ok with all the cheating that has occurred in eve up to THIS point?
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.06 11:33:00 - [275] Edited by: Conlin on 06/02/2009 11:33:43 Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Conlin I,ve read the majority of posts re : BoB , and I,m disgusted ! As I said previously I was no fan of BoB or Goons , I see a lot of Goons jumping on the bandwagon taking full responsibility for the fall of Bob , and a few Goons backtracking , and a handful , themselves disgusted by the recent events . If I personally was a member of Goons right now ?!! ..... I'd be looking for a new home . To be part of an alliance that think cheating is a way to win a game , and it is just a game , I'd be embarrassed to call myself a Goon . The simple fact of the matter is this ,its nothing to be proud of .And if thats all you have to be proud of , then its not much of an alliance , and doesnt have a right to exist . I wish all BoB members the best of luck , I hope you can get over this and make a come back . To Goons I say this ......... What goes around comes around !!! but, you're ok with all the cheating that has occurred in eve up to THIS point? Reread my posts . I was no fan of either , two wrongs a right it doesn't make !
twincalibur Caldari Dementis Pro Venatus	Posted - 2009.02.06 11:41:00 - [276] Hi If any of the old BoB member's are looking for some were to go look no more we have it right here. we are a small happy go luck corp looking for pl that just like to get on with the game with out the up's and down's look us up (Dementis pro venatus)aka mad4gaming or pop by are web site http://www.mad4gaming.com
twincalibur Caldari Dementis Pro Venatus	Posted - 2009.02.06 15:40:00 - [277] bump
SMB's TheJoker Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2009.02.06 17:07:00 - [278] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Conlin I,ve read the majority of posts re : BoB , and I,m disgusted ! As I said previously I was no fan of BoB or Goons , I see a lot of Goons jumping on the bandwagon taking full responsibility for the fall of Bob , and a few Goons backtracking , and a handful , themselves disgusted by the recent events . If I personally was a member of Goons right now ?!! ..... I'd be looking for a new home . To be part of an alliance that think cheating is a way to win a game , and it is just a game , I'd be embarrassed to call myself a Goon . The simple fact of the matter is this ,its nothing to be proud of .And if thats all you have to be proud of , then its not much of an alliance , and doesnt have a right to exist . I wish all BoB members the best of luck , I hope you can get over this and make a come back . To Goons I say this ......... What goes around comes around !!! but, you're ok with all the cheating that has occurred in eve up to THIS point? Spying is a valiable and honorable tactic to win a war. Are you mad cause Goons used the same tactic as BoB but better or cause BoB thought everyone was happy in delve-heaven and didn't see it coming? Ive seen BoB use dirtier tricks then spy's in the past first hands on. This is maybe the second time i post or read this forum... Alliances that are bought to attack allies for a year-free-of-MAX invasion ticket(looks at Intrepid Crossing and E.D.), market manipulation and more of that fun... Im sorry to burst your bubble - But there is only 1 rule in war m8. Use every asset at your disposal and don't give your enemy a chance to counter.
Conlin Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:27:00 - [279] Originally by: SMB's TheJoker Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Conlin I,ve read the majority of posts re : BoB , and I,m disgusted ! As I said previously I was no fan of BoB or Goons , I see a lot of Goons jumping on the bandwagon taking full responsibility for the fall of Bob , and a few Goons backtracking , and a handful , themselves disgusted by the recent events . If I personally was a member of Goons right now ?!! ..... I'd be looking for a new home . To be part of an alliance that think cheating is a way to win a game , and it is just a game , I'd be embarrassed to call myself a Goon . The simple fact of the matter is this ,its nothing to be proud of .And if thats all you have to be proud of , then its not much of an alliance , and doesnt have a right to exist . I wish all BoB members the best of luck , I hope you can get over this and make a come back . To Goons I say this ......... What goes around comes around !!! but, you're ok with all the cheating that has occurred in eve up to THIS point? Spying is a valiable and honorable tactic to win a war. Are you mad cause Goons used the same tactic as BoB but better or cause BoB thought everyone was happy in delve-heaven and didn't see it coming? Ive seen BoB use dirtier tricks then spy's in the past first hands on. This is maybe the second time i post or read this forum... Alliances that are bought to attack allies for a year-free-of-MAX invasion ticket(looks at Intrepid Crossing and E.D.), market manipulation and more of that fun... Im sorry to burst your bubble - But there is only 1 rule in war m8. Use every asset at your disposal and don't give your enemy a chance to counter. Your last sentence makes it so serious . I,II reiterate my previous comments so you understand easier . I am no fan of BoB or goons , both are as bad as each other , but goons bragging the way they have , and how they are responsible for BoBs demise in such a pathetic and childish manner , when most mature adults would rather beat them on the battlefield . I say on the battlefield , heres the important part , its a game !!! . And the game is about tactics . Not cheating ,then spamming the forums on how you cheated your way to victory . If Goons find the only way to beat an enemy is by cheating , then spamming the forums in such an ignorant manner is a fair way to play a game , then all those that support Goons & are proud to be goons , would do best to leave Eve and do us all a favour for those that enjoy Eve . Sorry to burst your bubble mate , but the majority of mature adults who have played this game for a long time , such as myself , find this pathetic . If you dont , then maybe WOW is more your style .
Agent Unknown Caldari Fist of Eargon	Posted - 2009.02.06 18:49:00 - [280] Wait...according to the EVElopedia an executor can only carry out an action if allowed to do so by the other members of the executor's corp. Quote: The executor of an Alliance is given the authority to act on behalf of the Alliance in all matters. This authority is subject to review by the Alliance council. The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor support. ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong."
PlanetXMail Amarr Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:02:00 - [281] Originally by: Agent Unknown Wait...according to the EVElopedia an executor can only carry out an action if allowed to do so by the other members of the executor's corp. Quote: The executor of an Alliance is given the authority to act on behalf of the Alliance in all matters. This authority is subject to review by the Alliance council. The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor support. Everything in that paragraph is a contradiction to itself. To say the Authority is SUBJECT TO REVIEW by the council... then the next sentence stating...HOWEVER, it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor... o how can a review be made when the executor HIMSELF can not stop a Director from dismantleing his entire Alliance??? CCP then states, we are in development of a system to deal with the current WORK AROUND. In other words.. CCP publicly claims (or at least this is what was writen by someone in the WIKI ) is that the Alliance executor system is FLAWED and work arounds are currently in place. WELL... work arounds is what an alliance director has to work with? It is not MY words here... they are right there in the quote! It's flawed and they know it. However, it does make it INTERESTING for it to happen. But, if YOU had billions in assets now blown away cuz there are KNOWN work arounds to KNOWN problems in the executive alliance system, I would be just A LITTLE up set. Time is money and in Real Life this is true. Even tho EVE IS a wonderful games... obviously it has some patching to do. Disbanding of Alliances in a few clickity clicks is kinda dumb. I think a big old assassinate me big red SKULL should be placed on the Portrait and Icon (while in space) of anyone wanted for dismantling an entire alliance. Bounty of whom ever assasinates the turn coat (be it corp member or not) should be in the ISK amount relative to number of corps and members the espionage action caused.
SMB's TheJoker Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2009.02.06 19:52:00 - [282] Edited by: SMB''s TheJoker on 06/02/2009 19:57:30 Originally by: Conlin Originally by: SMB's TheJoker Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Conlin I,ve read the majority of posts re : BoB , and I,m disgusted ! As I said previously I was no fan of BoB or Goons , I see a lot of Goons jumping on the bandwagon taking full responsibility for the fall of Bob , and a few Goons backtracking , and a handful , themselves disgusted by the recent events . If I personally was a member of Goons right now ?!! ..... I'd be looking for a new home . To be part of an alliance that think cheating is a way to win a game , and it is just a game , I'd be embarrassed to call myself a Goon . The simple fact of the matter is this ,its nothing to be proud of .And if thats all you have to be proud of , then its not much of an alliance , and doesnt have a right to exist . I wish all BoB members the best of luck , I hope you can get over this and make a come back . To Goons I say this ......... What goes around comes around !!! but, you're ok with all the cheating that has occurred in eve up to THIS point? Spying is a valiable and honorable tactic to win a war. Are you mad cause Goons used the same tactic as BoB but better or cause BoB thought everyone was happy in delve-heaven and didn't see it coming? Ive seen BoB use dirtier tricks then spy's in the past first hands on. This is maybe the second time i post or read this forum... Alliances that are bought to attack allies for a year-free-of-MAX invasion ticket(looks at Intrepid Crossing and E.D.), market manipulation and more of that fun... Im sorry to burst your bubble - But there is only 1 rule in war m8. Use every asset at your disposal and don't give your enemy a chance to counter. Your last sentence makes it so serious . I,II reiterate my previous comments so you understand easier . I am no fan of BoB or goons , both are as bad as each other , but goons bragging the way they have , and how they are responsible for BoBs demise in such a pathetic and childish manner , when most mature adults would rather beat them on the battlefield . I say on the battlefield , heres the important part , its a game !!! . And the game is about tactics . Not cheating ,then spamming the forums on how you cheated your way to victory . If Goons find the only way to beat an enemy is by cheating , then spamming the forums in such an ignorant manner is a fair way to play a game , then all those that support Goons & are proud to be goons , would do best to leave Eve and do us all a favour for those that enjoy Eve . Sorry to burst your bubble mate , but the majority of mature adults who have played this game for a long time , such as myself , find this pathetic . If you dont , then maybe WOW is more your style . since when is spying cheating? If you have to make spying in a Sci-fi war game illegal - half the fun would be out. Besides - its impossible. Having infiltrators in any competative powerstructure is always part of the whole war-thing. At this point, it doesnt matter if its fair or not. I dont like goons eather but BoB needed to be taken down - and war, any war fictional or right has always and will always prove only one thing - who is smarter and stronger. Im not saying goons are stronger or smarter - they just dealth their cards better and at the right time. And in a distant future someone smarter/stronger will take out goons - the first scenario for that possible future they created themselfs.
Warrio Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.07 06:48:00 - [283] Originally by: Conlin If you dont , then maybe WOW is more your style You would have you character banned for this kind of thing in WoW. There's more to Eve than spaceships and RPing Conlin. Much more. sXe
twomtNW Gallente Freelance Economics Astrological resources F.E.A.R Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.07 07:29:00 - [284] How many directors across the universe would have lately lost their positions as the CEO is suddenly not trusting anyone anymore? Anyway, it surely has shaken up EVE and the interesting part is not if it was right to be done or not (it's done and dusted, get over it). For me the interesting question will be what happens next?
Kartissa Elentari Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.02.07 08:38:00 - [285] Originally by: Conlin And the game is about tactics. Spying is a valid tactic in war. Sabotage is a valid tactic in war. Anything that ensures victory is a valid tactic in war. Read Sun Tzu, and see what he says about this sort of thing.
Sagami Ayase Gallente NailorTech Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.09 07:05:00 - [286] Lol, 2.5.111 was an inside job!
Pabu Minmatar Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.11 00:15:00 - [287] Conlin just doesn't get it. He is completely in denial of what 0.0 is all about and the defenition by CCP is clear on 'lawlessness'. Conlin, dear fuzzy wuzzy boo boo bear. 0.0 is that part of eve where there are no rules to gameplay. ANYTHING goes which means lying,stealing, conniving, ransom, espionage, role-play, backstabbing and whatever else you can think of. For some reason it's just no computing in your brain what the potential outcomes of 0.0 can be INTENTIONALLY designed by the devs! So the question remains, "Is it fairgame for a player to lie/cheat/steal to get access to critical information then use that information to sabotage a whole group of people?" IN ALL OTHER MMO's IT'S NOT BUT IN EVE IT'S TOTALLY LEGIT. Is this clear ya thickheaded carebear? "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to triumph is that enough good men [and women] do nothing." -Edmund Burke
ikalugin Caldari Twilight Inquisition Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.12 11:49:00 - [288] The only problem i see that this event might encourage other players or groups of players to use similar tactics and game might go to far with espionage buisness. But still it is a valid tactic. I, personaly, was thinking similar event would happen becouse it is legal and there are quite a few very dedicated players on both sides. If i wasnt stuiding in the boarding school and had nj time to game I would have done same thing, although on smaler scale. Well done GOONies, pity you didnt get RA involved.
Mercenary M Caldari Militaris Industries	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:38:00 - [289] Ya know finding out BoB was taken down is like waking up one morning, getting your cup of coffee and hearing on CNN "Satan, the great evil, died today choking on a Dorito"
UVPhoenix2 Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.19 18:16:00 - [290] Oh sh..
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.19 18:43:00 - [291] Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Conlin This will make Goons look even more pathetic than they already are , . hehehe as i tought that was never possible.. anyway these things always backfire.. its an game and shouldnt make things personal. but now they have every reason to do so.. confirming that KenZoku have since pulled out all the stops and have successfully undocked i repeat, kenzoku has undocked we are helpless in the face of their stealth bomber wolfpax

CCP Mitnal Minmatar C C P	Posted - 2009.03.19 21:38:00 - [292] Locked. Thread necroed with no constructive content. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email


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