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Minny Sky
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:47:00 -
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BOB had it coming, no doubt. but..
CCP game mechanics will be revised from this point in time.
There are thousands of man hours and thousands of dollars lost here to one spy/backstab
It's just too much for one person to be able to do.
GL with damage control CCP |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:51:00 -
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You had it coming, no doubt. but..
CCP forum policy won't be revised from this point in time.
There are thousands of man hours and thousands of dollars lost here to one troll/thread
It's just too much for one person to be able to do.
GL with damage control CCP |
Insane Industrialist
Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:52:00 -
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yes i'm sure it was some "kid" who did it all. **** off if you don't like what happened cos that is what makes this game unique from anything else. |
Grek Forto
THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:53:00 -
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Shamwow had it coming, no doubt. but..
White house cleaning policies will be revised from this point in time.
There are thousands of man hours and thousands of dollars lost here to one crappy product
It's just too much for one president to be able to do.
GL with damage control Vince |
nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Insane Industrialist yes i'm sure it was some "kid" who did it all. **** off if you don't like what happened cos that is what makes this game unique from anything else.
Says the person who was not affected by the disband. I'm sure if the knife was in your back you would say something different, or else maybe you'd have already rageemoquit? |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: nether void
Originally by: Insane Industrialist yes i'm sure it was some "kid" who did it all. **** off if you don't like what happened cos that is what makes this game unique from anything else.
Says the person who was not affected by the disband. I'm sure if the knife was in your back you would say something different, or else maybe you'd have already rageemoquit?
or maybe you'd post on the forums
oh... |
Mazca Lopez
The Patriot Society
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:54:00 -
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Maybe this will make people realize that EVE was never meant to be Giants online
play big, loose big... thats how it goes.
If this was a legit bust (and I hope it was) fair play, and GF and all that... |
GateScout
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:57:00 -
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Somehow this is a bad thing?
Hardly. What awesome dynamics and a fantastic, rapidly changing world!
The fact that 1 person (with the appropriate authority) can disband an alliance only highlights the need for compartmentalization not game changes.
There is nothing wrong with the game dynamics. The only thing wrong is your limited vision and expectations for inherent protections.
Enjoy the change. BoB isn't dead. Far from it. If BoB is a strong as many seem to believe, they'll come out of this just fine. Although, I'm not betting on it.
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Trevor Obrin
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Posted - 2009.02.05 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mazca Lopez play big, loose big... thats how it goes.
This. |
Insane Industrialist
Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: nether void
Originally by: Insane Industrialist yes i'm sure it was some "kid" who did it all. **** off if you don't like what happened cos that is what makes this game unique from anything else.
Says the person who was not affected by the disband. I'm sure if the knife was in your back you would say something different, or else maybe you'd have already rageemoquit?
or i'd accuse the "backstabber" of illegal hacking activities, or exploits like BoB are doing. hell yer i'd be ****ed off, but who in their right mind doesn't enjoy the drama of it all? |
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Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:02:00 -
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Er... sorry but... what are you talkin'about? What happened to BoB? Try to explain please, instead of just making anger-posts. Thx. |
Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:04:00 -
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Funny how to unlock a BPO you need votes but to disband an alliance you don't. Goons played the game mechanics fair and square just like BOB have in the past with clever use of game mechanics. Now that a huge problem is out in the open I'm sure CCP will take notice and make sure these "loop holes" are fixed. From a 3rd person perspective it is sad to see all this work gone in an instant, but that is the very nature of EVE-Online. |
Stephanie Jones
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Avalira Funny how to unlock a BPO you need votes but to disband an alliance you don't.
This. |
nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Avalira From a 3rd person perspective it is sad to see all this work gone in an instant, but that is the very nature of EVE-Online.
Yeah. And really it's about orders of magnitude. I mean if a spy gives up a POS password or something, the POS and maybe a cap fleet might be lost. Sucks, but it's one POS right? Quite different when you get rid of the whole shooting match in one go like that. |
Aloriana Jacques
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mazca Lopez play big, loose big... thats how it goes.
QFT
If you want to protect yourself, create a coalition of smaller alliances. |
Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:15:00 -
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Who knows, perhaps some Goon killed Haargoth in RL, sat down at his PC where EVE was running and did all that. Then he left a message saying "that's metagaming too - BoB" to lead investigators, who would later find the body, in the wrong direction.
Or maybe not.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:16:00 -
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yes, more threads on this topic, yep, can't get enough. |
Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Stephanie Jones
Originally by: Avalira Funny how to unlock a BPO you need votes but to disband an alliance you don't.
This.
Oh, but you can form a new alliance instantly.
Oh, but we added all this sovereignty crap in the mean time and totally forgot about how easy it is to disband an alliance.
Fail.
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Feral Lady
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:18:00 -
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In the larger sense, CCP are careless game designers for constructing an interface that lets this happen. No vote, no cooling off period, nothing. Pathetic
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Orivar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Orivar on 05/02/2009 17:22:13
Originally by: Avalira Funny how to unlock a BPO you need votes but to disband an alliance you don't. Goons played the game mechanics fair and square just like BOB have in the past with clever use of game mechanics. Now that a huge problem is out in the open I'm sure CCP will take notice and make sure these "loop holes" are fixed. From a 3rd person perspective it is sad to see all this work gone in an instant, but that is the very nature of EVE-Online.
This comment should be focused on as it is indeed entirely true & logical. Shame that's the way how BoB went (even though I don't like either party) however the overall life fact remains. It takes something big for a even bigger problem to be noticed.
On another note, can a CEO destroy an entire company? |
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GateScout
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Feral Lady In the larger sense, CCP are careless game designers for constructing an interface that lets this happen. No vote, no cooling off period, nothing. Pathetic
Wrong.
Copy and paste my reply from your other post. |
Zaknussem
Caldari Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Feral Lady In the larger sense, CCP are careless game designers for constructing an interface that lets this happen. No vote, no cooling off period, nothing. Pathetic.
Sadly, this x2. Though actually we're entering into the realm of game mechanics here more than interface, though both fields need to be looked at. I'm hoping the whole EvE playerbase gains from this event by getting improved game mechanics. Improved interface wouldn't hurt either.
As for me, I find the OP's post hilarious. One guy loses a ship to a scam/suicide gank/gate camp/in-game thief/(ab)use of game mechanics, then comes and whines on the forums about the game being unfair, leading to everybody laughing him off the internet. <Insert EvE meme of your choice here>.
Then a whole alliance suddenly goes *POOF* due to one of the above reasons, someone comes and whines about it on the forums, and expects to be taken seriously because it's such a huge loss? |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: GateScout
There is nothing wrong with the game dynamics. The only thing wrong is your limited vision and expectations for inherent protections.
as a non-affiliated bystander, I disagree that the game mechanics don't bear looking at - one person can't do many things in this game, in a corp, being able to disband an alliance might need to be reviewed.
that said, I think Goons have pulled a masterful stroke and it's nothing BoB wouldn't have done to them in return. |
Taylor timenenzi
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Obrin
Originally by: Mazca Lopez play big, loose big... thats how it goes.
This.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loose
Learn to spell FFS.
I got a laugh at what happened but it is pretty stupid that a entire alliance can be broken like that by 1 person. Maybe there will be more restrictions and a ability to put a tighter hold on people, but the thing that will never change is when you get to the top there will always be one person with all the power. |
GateScout
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue I disagree that the game mechanics don't bear looking at - one person can't do many things in this game, in a corp, being able to disband an alliance might need to be reviewed.
Perhaps. It is a valid argument, and I suspect, CCP is already looking into this now.
On the other hand, if an alliance director, given the authority to disband an alliance, can do so...it does make the game quite interesting. Maybe we should keep this design and ability? It sure makes you think about who you give these roles to. |
rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:57:00 -
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BoB should just be allowed to go back to being CCCP |
Yashiri
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Posted - 2009.02.05 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Taylor timenenzi
I got a laugh at what happened but it is pretty stupid that a entire alliance can be broken like that by 1 person.
stupid? the ability for one person to make such a difference in a game teeming with players? I think that's pretty ****ing brilliant, not stupid. |
Tor Anasa
Caldari K.T.P
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Posted - 2009.02.05 18:03:00 -
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I agree with the op here. One person should not be able to destroy the game for thousands of other players like has been done now. Put yourself in BoB members position. If someone did this to your corporation or alliance do you not think it was a little screwed up to put it nicely.
If this had happened to Goonswarm i believe there would be just as much rejoicing as there has been for the disbanding for bob. If CCP fixed this with a rollback Goonswarm would obviously emo rage as usual.
Now bob as gone maybe people will see goonswarm for what they really are which would be a good thing for eve because they seemed to have taken the game to a whole new low in every possible way.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2009.02.05 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tor Anasa I agree with the op here. One person should not be able to destroy the game for thousands of other players like has been done now. Put yourself in BoB members position. If someone did this to your corporation or alliance do you not think it was a little screwed up to put it nicely.
If this had happened to Goonswarm i believe there would be just as much rejoicing as there has been for the disbanding for bob. If CCP fixed this with a rollback Goonswarm would obviously emo rage as usual.
Now bob as gone maybe people will see goonswarm for what they really are which would be a good thing for eve because they seemed to have taken the game to a whole new low in every possible way.
A. One player made this game even better to some. Don't assume everyone is upset over this.
B. Goons did nothing wrong.
C. BOB was defeated by it's own ignorance. (Who gives one person that much control???) Stop, hammer time. |
mcnuggetlol
Amarr Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 18:07:00 -
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If the same thing had happened to goonswarm instead would any of the people whining now be complaining?
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