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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Alexander Universe It should be possible to re-spec the attributes only once, and only those 5 attributes you got to change when you created the character. That would make the failing on making your character when new to the game less harmful and it would ruin anything in game. It would be win-win. He said "...like at character creation..." which kinda implies that it's only those 5 points you can distribute then. If it's limited to that this feature is actually quite tame. yah but people like me, thought you should max one out for some reason, so 3 years ago I gave myself 3 cha.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:18:00 - [32] Originally by: MotherMoon yah but people like me, thought you should max one out for some reason, so 3 years ago I gave myself 3 cha. Explains your face. sorry -------- Ideas for: Mining
Thjothvitnir Thund Gallente Guardian Heroes Inc. Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:20:00 - [33] In any case, surely to God this won't make it to the live release. Surely. Hopefully it'll get shouted down when they do the public testing of the patch. I mean, what's the point? Anyone with any intelligence would just reroll their character after realizing that they screwed it up, if it was messed up beyond saving. All this will do is produce an instant win button. "Oh, I need to train up every gunnery skill to five? No problem, let me just pour all of my attributes into perception and willpower and train them all in 5 months, and then switch to intelligence and memory to get perfect build skills in another few months." See the problem here?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: MotherMoon yah but people like me, thought you should max one out for some reason, so 3 years ago I gave myself 3 cha. Explains your face. sorry hahahaa, nice one but sadly misplaced. I have 30 charisma
KhaelaMensha Khaine Minmatar Bladerunners KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Alexander Universe It should be possible to re-spec the attributes only once, and only those 5 attributes you got to change when you created the character. That would make the failing on making your character when new to the game less harmful and it would ruin anything in game. It would be win-win. This.
sirovai Amarr Modern-Warfare	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:24:00 - [36] Praise the Gods, this is too good to be true. Goodbye crappy attributes!!!! Hello better training times!!!
Billy Sastard Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Thjothvitnir Thund In any case, surely to God this won't make it to the live release. Surely. Hopefully it'll get shouted down when they do the public testing of the patch. I mean, what's the point? Anyone with any intelligence would just reroll their character after realizing that they screwed it up, if it was messed up beyond saving. All this will do is produce an instant win button. "Oh, I need to train up every gunnery skill to five? No problem, let me just pour all of my attributes into perception and willpower and train them all in 5 months, and then switch to intelligence and memory to get perfect build skills in another few months." See the problem here? Not really, since all it is affecting is training time, and EVERYONE will be able to do it, I fail to see the problem to be honest... <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:28:00 - [38] Originally by: KhaelaMensha Khaine Originally by: Alexander Universe It should be possible to re-spec the attributes only once, and only those 5 attributes you got to change when you created the character. That would make the failing on making your character when new to the game less harmful and it would ruin anything in game. It would be win-win. This. Aye, needs to be this. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:32:00 - [39] This expansion is shaping up to be the best ever, all these tasty tears everywhere. It's a feast! GG CCP!
Sophia Truthspeaker THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:43:00 - [40] I am not really a fan... I liked the way something stays with you, no matter what. Choices are important, and your character stays your character, no matter what else you change. Compared to changing your attributes I'd be more in favour of killing the attributes altogether and simply set everyone to base attribute 20 or whatever. Concerning new player choosing "wrong" or better less wise, it was also stated, that they'd move several stuff into the first days of playing, and not in charater creation. So why not remove the attributes form the ancestry and put that in after the first two weeks? That way it is even after finishing trial accounts, kind of an extra bonus for paying now.
Thjothvitnir Thund Gallente Guardian Heroes Inc. Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Thjothvitnir Thund In any case, surely to God this won't make it to the live release. Surely. Hopefully it'll get shouted down when they do the public testing of the patch. I mean, what's the point? Anyone with any intelligence would just reroll their character after realizing that they screwed it up, if it was messed up beyond saving. All this will do is produce an instant win button. "Oh, I need to train up every gunnery skill to five? No problem, let me just pour all of my attributes into perception and willpower and train them all in 5 months, and then switch to intelligence and memory to get perfect build skills in another few months." See the problem here? Not really, since all it is affecting is training time, and EVERYONE will be able to do it, I fail to see the problem to be honest... And EVERYONE will have 100+ million skillpoints and be flying a tech 3 ship within a year. See the problem now? When you can have months-old alt accounts trained up as a capital fleet in notime flat? As much as people complain about EVE being a game of numbers, whose blob is bigger, it's not quite at that point yet. This would push it over that edge. If Average Joe over here can just make 5 alt accounts, train on them for a couple months and have 5 capital-enabled and T2-enabled characters with near-perfect gunnery, missile, and drone skills at his disposal, what's to stop 2-3 of his friends from doing the same, making an alliance, and then playing what is effectively EVE's "endgame" in well under a year?
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Thjothvitnir Thund Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Thjothvitnir Thund In any case, surely to God this won't make it to the live release. Surely. Hopefully it'll get shouted down when they do the public testing of the patch. I mean, what's the point? Anyone with any intelligence would just reroll their character after realizing that they screwed it up, if it was messed up beyond saving. All this will do is produce an instant win button. "Oh, I need to train up every gunnery skill to five? No problem, let me just pour all of my attributes into perception and willpower and train them all in 5 months, and then switch to intelligence and memory to get perfect build skills in another few months." See the problem here? Not really, since all it is affecting is training time, and EVERYONE will be able to do it, I fail to see the problem to be honest... And EVERYONE will have 100+ million skillpoints and be flying a tech 3 ship within a year. See the problem now? When you can have months-old alt accounts trained up as a capital fleet in notime flat? As much as people complain about EVE being a game of numbers, whose blob is bigger, it's not quite at that point yet. This would push it over that edge. If Average Joe over here can just make 5 alt accounts, train on them for a couple months and have 5 capital-enabled and T2-enabled characters with near-perfect gunnery, missile, and drone skills at his disposal, what's to stop 2-3 of his friends from doing the same, making an alliance, and then playing what is effectively EVE's "endgame" in well under a year? LOL Yes because obviously respeccing will give you omgwtf training speed! Learn to engage brain before spewing unfounded dribble all over the forums plzkthx.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises SOLAR WING	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:51:00 - [43] Sadly i have to agree with the people who dont like this idea. I can understand that CCP want to make it..easyer for newer players that dont read up on the game mechanics,or most people atleast learn this within the first week of playing,and at this point,its still easy to make a new character. Letting this...suggestion go trough and implent it ingame will only lead to a lot of ****ed off players (im not that old,but i can immagion the fury older players would feel over this) that have spendt years to get somewere,while new players can get there in half the time. (and yes i realise the whole "But the older players can just do teh same and stay ahead" comments will come,but will that really make up for people feeling treated unfair?). More or less this seems like just another "Omg!Noobs are whining! Lets bend over and make sure they get whatever they want so we can attract more whiny 14 year olds!". (no offense to anyone at any age,just a figure of speach). PS.Sorry for bad english.
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.08 22:58:00 - [44] Originally by: NightCrawler 85 Sadly i have to agree with the people who dont like this idea. I can understand that CCP want to make it..easyer for newer players that dont read up on the game mechanics,or most people atleast learn this within the first week of playing,and at this point,its still easy to make a new character. Letting this...suggestion go trough and implent it ingame will only lead to a lot of **ed off players (im not that old,but i can immagion the fury older players would feel over this) that have spendt years to get somewere,while new players can get there in half the time. (and yes i realise the whole "But the older players can just do teh same and stay ahead" comments will come,but will that really make up for people feeling treated unfair?). More or less this seems like just another "Omg!Noobs are whining! Lets bend over and make sure they get whatever they want so we can attract more whiny 14 year olds!". (no offense to anyone at any age,just a figure of speach). PS.Sorry for bad english. I believe they are doing this to increase player retention cause that is what gets the bills paid. CCP have been taking on alot of debt lately in order to improve this game and the only way growth will continue is if they increase the player base. The old chars (which I have 2 of) can respec and keep their edge over new players and even if they are **ed it's not like those new players will ever catch up to them anyway. It's all a bunch of crying over nothing. OMG CCP is letting newbs respec!!! I also fail to see how this in anyway equates to training twice as fast. Did they say you could respec with out limits into any 2 attributes, do any of you whiners have any info at all on how this will work. Go back under your bridges and let CCP get on with explaining before you all throw you b.i.t.c.h fits.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 08/02/2009 21:23:27 Implants are capped at +5. Good. Ghost training was removed. Fine. There is no useful skill queue system in sight. Not so fine. I could have sworn yesterday that about the same time the attribute respec was mentioned, a skill queue was coming in Apocrypha as well. It only covers 24 hours windows of time. Useful for new players or people branching out who need to train a bunch of skills that take a couple of hours. It's a start but I'm still rooting for the addition of an unlimited queue that stays active as long as the subscription is active. Good enough for me
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:25:00 - [46] So after I trained all the the heavily needed INT/MEM skills with crappy 20 INT and 24 MEM I finally get to respec my character... pointless.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises SOLAR WING	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:26:00 - [47] Wow calm down there..Lol. No im not pretending i know all the fact behind this,and i doubt anyone here would dare to make that claim. I raised my opinion based on what i have read and heard so far,just like you are doing when you are calling everyone who dosent agree with your opinions,or try to look at things from a different angle whiners and worse. But i did my best to show some respect for people who have a different opinion then my own but to make sure your needs are pleased i will add this. Yes if they implement this it will be awesome!You will be able to buy awesome characters that can fly caps/t2 bs's/whatever for close to nothing,and best off you will be able to change their attribbutes so you can play around with it a bit,before you sell it for even more.Or you can just add yet another spec'ed player to the never ending capital ship fights,which is something that already are starting to get out of hand.But hey..atleast the game will be easy for new players and leave no challanges for older players.Everyone will be happy and CCP will afford their bills.Main problem will be what to whine about next. Is that better? :)
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:31:00 - [48] No not in the least, I'm all for opinions that differ, however making opinions based on incomplete information, saying it's the end of eve, that we will have chars that train twice as fast, that we'll have more blobbing cap fights ect ect, is stupid. Obviously re-specs will cause all of this, especially the blobbing and cap ship part.
Gone'Postal Aztec Industry	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:31:00 - [49] What a **ed up idea... Who comes up with this type of ? Originally by:** masternerdguy Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
Yeshua Christ	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:35:00 - [50] I did. I'm in yer game screwin it with ****ed ideas.
Useful Alt	Posted - 2009.02.08 23:39:00 - [51] added in my todo list: fix the damn 4 years old mistake of putting all the point in the wrong place!!
Ottersmacker 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:14:00 - [52] Originally by: teoliit Horrible info @ character creation leading to gimped training for the rest of the game is bad design absolutely quoting this for truth
Lucas Tigh East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:25:00 - [53] Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 09/02/2009 01:29:34 I'm pretty sure that once Ambulation hits, EVE will have jumped the shark. But a resounding \o/ from me, as I pulled a stupid and made Charisma my best attribute at character creation. The description made it sound so much more awesome! Originally by: teoliitHorrible info @ character creation leading to gimped training for the rest of the game is bad design Originally by: Nova Fox I rolled +5 chrisma bonus points into my character not knowing any better, I would like willpower now. Both QFT. Edit: They censor ******. 'kay.
Isinero	Posted - 2009.02.09 01:55:00 - [54] allright..i will put absolutely all points to perception and willpower...after i will finish train all skils which i need in this , i will switch to int and memory and train other not so important? FAIL
Thaylon Sen Boyz from the Dwarf	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:02:00 - [55] Looking forward to getting rid of my base 20 charisma after 5 years :)
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:36:00 - [56] While respeccing attributes doesn't come close to the lamenes of respeccing skills (as some lamers are demanding) it's still lame. Yeah - I know - plenty players keep asking for it. But let's face it - most players don't have the faintest idea of game design or how restrictions actually make things better. People are way too obsessed with an ideal of optimal SP. It matters much less than many here think. If players can respec attributes again and again you could just as well get rid of them. For the record: One of my chars has charisma as his highest attributes and none of my 3 chars have optimal attributes because I didn't know what to optimize for when I created them. So what.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:38:00 - [57] Originally by: Isinero allright..i will put absolutely all points to perception and willpower...after i will finish train all skils which i need in this , i will switch to int and memory and train other not so important? FAIL Rather, you fail. Wait for the dev blog eh? Do you really think it is likely they are going to let you put ALL attribute points into just two of them? It is more likely the 5 you were allowed to place in character creation, that is going to be editable.
PinkMonkey Dragon	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:48:00 - [58] well, if this is true (there was no link, and i'm not even sure wehre eve-tv is).. then there's a few problems.. 1, it should be allowed, only in so much as modifying the 5 points you were allowed to change whne created.. thus capping any change @ 3. Then OK. 1--how will this effect the rare player from way-back that was created without using all 5 of theose additional points (used to be possible, and my main is missing 1, thus, only used 4)... or the characters from 2003 that were able to get +3 or even +8 in certian areas due to a different character creation process? if it allows you to modify beyond those 5 points, then it would in effect change your race.. which is 100% unacceptable. modify those 5 points... cool. further than that? bad. pink.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:49:00 - [59] Edited by: Kaeten on 09/02/2009 02:49:33 IM SO **ING HAPPY STARTED EVE IN 2004 WITH 12 BASE** CHARISMA HAHAHAHAHAHA AWESOME
Kiay Stryx Gallente Phoenix Mandate	Posted - 2009.02.09 02:54:00 - [60] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: MotherMoon yah but people like me, thought you should max one out for some reason, so 3 years ago I gave myself 3 cha. Explains your face. sorry ROFL ~Stryx

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