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Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.09 17:44:00 - [1] This really needs to be given more clarity. I've copied the patch notes in for reference: Quote: New characters are now able to redistribute their attribute points at will any time after character creation (Twice for free). This option is available on the Character SheetÆs Attributes screen. Pilots pick their character attributes in a way that supports their expected gameplay. With Attribute Respecification, players will be able to change their core attributes (charisma, intelligence, memory, perception, willpower) within the game. Older characters can now redistribute their attribute points once every six months. As I read this, new players will be able to redistribute their attributes at any time, twice for free and then for a fee (though it doesn't mention whether this is ISK or otherwise) whereas older characters (what's defined as "older"? Anything created before this is released?) get to do it every six months with no mention of any cost involved. Given that 6 months is about what it takes to get some capital skills trained up nicely, I have serious concerns over this feature.
Clever Drake Minmatar The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:00:00 - [2] Also on this topic, how many points can you move? There is a limit I hope.
Caiman Graystock Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:01:00 - [3] You can only move the points you were able to set during building your character, i.e. your base stats cant be changed. ^
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:03:00 - [4] Yeah, just train six months of Int/Mem support/ewar skills, then respec to Perc/Will and sort out Spac Command and Gunnery/Missiles. Laughably exploitable.
Clever Drake Minmatar The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Caiman Graystock You can only move the points you were able to set during building your character, i.e. your base stats cant be changed. ^ Thank you! I can rest easy again.
ObamaLLama	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:04:00 - [6] Edited by: ObamaLLama on 09/02/2009 18:04:39 Originally by: Gypsio III Yeah, just train six months of Int/Mem support/ewar skills, then respec to Perc/Will and sort out Spac Command and Gunnery/Missiles. Laughably exploitable. What would you expect from CCP and the testers??
Amy Wang	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:07:00 - [7] the way it currently works on sisi: you can reduce every stat down to minimum of 5 base points thereby creating free points which you can assign into other stats up to a maximum of 15 base points (base points means the number before learning skills and implants are added, these work independently from this) question is: will achuras or other bloodlines with charisma below 5 be forced to assign at least 5 points into charisma if they do this? that would be quite funny :P (and fair)
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:09:00 - [8] You guys are thinking like robots, most people WON'T want to train specific skills like that for 6 months. Yeah sure maybe the 4 years olds, but most people under two years will want to train across all areas. So take this as a balance to all your whinging that the skill queue ain't long enough at 24 hours.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Amy Wang the way it currently works on sisi: you can reduce every stat down to minimum of 5 base points thereby creating free points which you can assign into other stats up to a maximum of 15 base points (base points means the number before learning skills and implants are added, these work independently from this) question is: will achuras or other bloodlines with charisma below 5 be forced to assign at least 5 points into charisma if they do this? that would be quite funny :P (and fair) finally, i shall not be ashamed anymore for having 25 points of charisma ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/02/2009 18:11:41 NEW CHARACTERS ONLY??????? Three and a half years ago, EVE's utter crap character creation screen didn't warn me about the dangers of Charisma. I have 14 BASE charisma, what kind of reimbursement do I get? In addition, I've got over 6million in drones and I started with 4 base memory! ----------------- Friends Forever

Zzzyxas	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Concorduck finally, i shall not be ashamed anymore for having 25 points of charisma You sexy beast you
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/02/2009 18:11:41 NEW CHARACTERS ONLY??????? Three and a half years ago, EVE's utter crap character creation screen didn't warn me about the dangers of Charisma. I have 14 BASE charisma, what kind of reimbursement do I get? In addition, I've got over 6million in drones and I started with 4 base memory! Read again. New characters get it free twice, existing characters get it once every six months, first free by the looks of it.
Amy Wang	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/02/2009 18:11:41 NEW CHARACTERS ONLY??????? relax, existing chars can also do it, once every 6 months you just cant get any attribute below 5 base points or above 15 base points with it (but that seems to be the case for new chars as well, they start with balanced attributes) existing attributes that already exceed those limits seem to be able to stay that way if you dont touch them in the reassign process so in your special case Mr. gimped 14 base charisma you can reassign 9 points from that to other attributes, feel free to wire me ISK on TQ for these good news btw ;)
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/02/2009 18:11:41 NEW CHARACTERS ONLY??????? Three and a half years ago, EVE's utter crap character creation screen didn't warn me about the dangers of Charisma. I have 14 BASE charisma, what kind of reimbursement do I get? In addition, I've got over 6million in drones and I started with 4 base memory! WTS Patch Notes Exhisting players can respec every 6 months.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Gypsio III Yeah, just train six months of Int/Mem support/ewar skills, then respec to Perc/Will and sort out Spac Command and Gunnery/Missiles. Laughably exploitable. so in other words you get 1week less training time! oh noes! anything that speeds up training in this game will keep newer players. I'm not going to complain I've got over 40 million sp the hard way, I'm ****ing set. new players can have thier shiny.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:24:00 - [16] Meh. Even I have 18.7 charisma, 25 isn't that bad. Now, the guys with 30+ charisma -- that's pain. Let me be the first to whine about this as an Achura nerf. Now every bloodline can get decent stats. Yet male Achura will remain forever disfigured. On a more serious note, this does seem to homogenize and blandify all the races and bloodlines in eve. I'm not sure I like it. Now the most effeminate Gallente can be as bloodthirsty as the most savage Brutor every six months. And likewise, the most sloping foreheaded neanderthal Brutor can be as brainy as the nerdliest Intaki long enough to train support skills.
Akor Flandres	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Clair Bear Meh. Even I have 18.7 charisma, 25 isn't that bad. Now, the guys with 30+ charisma -- that's pain. Let me be the first to whine about this as an Achura nerf. Now every bloodline can get decent stats. Yet male Achura will remain forever disfigured. On a more serious note, this does seem to homogenize and blandify all the races and bloodlines in eve. I'm not sure I like it. Now the most effeminate Gallente can be as bloodthirsty as the most savage Brutor every six months. And likewise, the most sloping foreheaded neanderthal Brutor can be as brainy as the nerdliest Intaki long enough to train support skills. but it doesn't, because you still wont be able to change base stats.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:30:00 - [18] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Gypsio III Yeah, just train six months of Int/Mem support/ewar skills, then respec to Perc/Will and sort out Spac Command and Gunnery/Missiles. Laughably exploitable. so in other words you get 1week less training time! oh noes! anything that speeds up training in this game will keep newer players. I'm not going to complain I've got over 40 million sp the hard way, I'm **ing set. new players can have thier shiny. Frankly, the whole attribute system is stupid. When I started, like most people, I had no idea what each attribute meant. So I created a stupid character. After playing and reading for a few days, I realised that my attributes were stupid and created a new character. And made another mess accidentally. So I made another specced in INT and PERC - hence the stupid name. The point is that the entire system of attributes is stupid and serves only to ** off new players who don't understand what they're doing, or to allow people who do know what they're doing to create min-max type characters. Would it really be so bad if the entire idea of attributes varying with race/bloodline was scrapped? Just have flat attrbutes that can be altered by learning skills/implants as you see fit?
Genya Arikaido	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:34:00 - [19] My main's memory base is 4 also, and I have very high end drone skills. OH THE HORROR. I'd gladly take 1-2 from Charisma and maybe 1 from Perception to dump on memory...I still have level V drone skills to finish, as well as some engineering/Electronics stuff to do. Also, I find this amusing as you could rebalance your attributes to really speed up the adv learning skill to V training time if you prioritize them right. I actually made up a training plan in EVEmon for doing exactly that when I saw the screenshot today. Help me move to Iceland!
Cobra Black	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Gypsio III Yeah, just train six months of Int/Mem support/ewar skills, then respec to Perc/Will and sort out Spac Command and Gunnery/Missiles. Laughably exploitable. I think that this is a fantastic idea. I started Eve 12 months ago and had no clue of the impact of your attributes on training. ItÆs only now that I've decided my career path after trying a bit of everything. The only problem is that my main couldnÆt be setup any worse from an attribute standpoint to pursue my career choice. This will allow me to rebalance and save me significant time. Wish I'd known about this before starting a fresh PVP account 2 months ago with PVP orientated attributes. But yes, as Gypsio III says, this is a bit of an exploit. One rebalance per character might be a better option. It would give people a chance to correct a poorly built character.

Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:50:00 - [21] Since loads of people have characters with stupid attribute distribution because they didn't know what they were doing, it makes perfect sense to allow a one-off respec - or to just bin the whole idea of variable base attributes. It's the ability to do it every six months that just seems silly...
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Akor Flandres but it doesn't, because you still wont be able to change base stats. Hope you're right. Just logged into SiSi -- holy cow, my 3 charisma remains! I am like a little tiny battlegoddess. From 33 int 25 mem to 30 per, 27 will. And charisma 3 all the way. Oh baby. Too bad I already have my BS V, Advanced Weapon Upgrades V, Advanced Spaceship Command V, large blaster spec...
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Clair Bear Originally by: Akor Flandres but it doesn't, because you still wont be able to change base stats. Hope you're right. Just logged into SiSi -- holy cow, my 3 charisma remains! I am like a little tiny battlegoddess. From 33 int 25 mem to 30 per, 27 will. And charisma 3 all the way. Oh baby. Too bad I already have my BS V, Advanced Weapon Upgrades V, Advanced Spaceship Command V, large blaster spec... I liked your hair better the other way dear
Myyona Minmatar Ataraxia Pharmacies	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:15:00 - [24] Edited by: Myyona on 09/02/2009 19:17:36 Originally by: Caiman Graystock You can only move the points you were able to set during building your character, i.e. your base stats cant be changed. ^ This is not my experience on Sisi. I can indeed min/max my attributes with no regard to my race, ancestry and school. There is a minimum (5) and maximum (15) to how much an attribute can go though. These numbers are before implants and Learning skills are taken into consideration. --- Nobody can do everything, but everybody can do nothing
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence Force	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:19:00 - [25] they say new characters can change two timees after charaacther creation but i have a question does that mean that i cannot change because i was created before the patch? i gave my self a lot of charisma because i thought that it made people like you more but i found out that wasnt true the way i thought so i would like to get rid of charisma but i dont understand properly the new character meaning
Caiman Graystock Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Myyona Edited by: Myyona on 09/02/2009 19:17:36 Originally by: Caiman Graystock You can only move the points you were able to set during building your character, i.e. your base stats cant be changed. ^ This is not my experience on Sisi. I can indeed min/max my attributes with no regard to my race, ancestry and school. There is a minimum (5) and maximum (15) to how much an attribute can go though. These numbers are before implants and Learning skills are taken into consideration. I just tried again, it won't let me go below my base stats. Shrugs
Rat Scout Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Clair Bear Originally by: Akor Flandres but it doesn't, because you still wont be able to change base stats. Hope you're right. Just logged into SiSi -- holy cow, my 3 charisma remains! I am like a little tiny battlegoddess. From 33 int 25 mem to 30 per, 27 will. And charisma 3 all the way. Oh baby. Too bad I already have my BS V, Advanced Weapon Upgrades V, Advanced Spaceship Command V, large blaster spec... I either did it wrong or somethign, cause I couldn't change my stats untill I brought my base charisma up to 5. It gave me a message that one of my attributes is too low and my clone will not survive if I plug it in this way. Now i can't go back to retest it, i got a timer for 6 months, but I think archuras with 3 charisma will have to bring up to 5. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:28:00 - [28] Honestly, allowing 1 every 6mo's is crap, it'd really kill the meaning of the attributes, races, and bloodlines, since everyone will just refangle their attributes when they want to train a different area. Allow one per year after the newbies two free ones. This will enable some modification and allow those of us who started years ago with little information to correct past mistakes w/o cheapening the entire established system. ----------------- Friends Forever
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:49:00 - [29] Originally by: MotherMoon I'm not going to complain I've got over 40 million sp the hard way, I'm **ing set. new players can have thier shiny. What this foxy momma wrote I agree with. It aint worth it for me to screw with the points on any of my three characters. One at 37 million SP, one at 42 million SP, and one at 41 million SP. They can have their friggen shinny. But I can say "I walked to school, in 5 feet of snow, up hill, both ways. And I'll pod you if I feel like it and you'll thank me for it! Friggen newb!". *********************************************** I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Hieronymus Alexandre Fashionable Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:55:00 - [30] Just went through the new character creation on sisi. All new characters now effectively start of with 5 points in each attribute and a pool of 14 points to distribute as they please. (The points are actually equally distributed among all five stats, cha getting 3 and others getting 4. Players will need their free respec to initially spec their chars.) Also, new chars only get ~60k sp (basic ship and fittings to 3), but are compensated with a 100% training speed bonus to 1.6m sp. So yes, all new chars are completely homogenized.



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