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Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:15:00 - [1] well, after i saw now the new stuff from those new "expansion" im very dispointed now in eve and ccp .. so please ccp stop with that useless expansion and start making somethink usefull why dos i think this .. easy to explain .. i live in 0.0, i fight there and have there my home so i have nothing so realy with empire to do but all those expensions since revelations 2 are only for the empire carebears and now the next one is again for those carebears ... there is nothing usefull added for us wich lives in 0.0 .. the new T3 cruiser .. to expensive for 0.0 .. new npcs .. well if they are finishd they make it a bit interresting with the ratting but not the pvp .. the pvp stuff still allmost the same nothing new added only a small amount of thinks .. like heavy dics but thats all .. but if i look on those stuff for those empire carebears .. faction war .. orca and so on .. and now the T3 cruiser .. that suck for realy .. where is there the fun for those ppl in 0.0 .. we want some usefull stuff too .. and not so useless crap .. start to add new pos stuff or maybe some normal new pvp ships wich are usefull to use for pvp .. u started very good with the heavy dics .. but nothing more fellowing .. and no1 can tell me that the T3 and subsystems are usefull in 0.0 .. to expensive and useless for combats .. so pleasy ccp make a better work and stop with those expansion for the carebears from eve only .. thanks .. blacky
Julian Lynq	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:17:00 - [2] wormholes and that whole aspect caters very well to 0.0 based players.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:20:00 - [3] Originally by: Blackrainbow Elite and no1 can tell me that the T3 and subsystems are usefull in 0.0 .. to expensive and useless for combats .. Don't you just love how people make assumptions based on absolutely no evidence at all. Also, what's up with " .. "? -----
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:22:00 - [4] The potential payout/profit of wormhole systems determines which sec level they can connect too. The best paying ones will connect to 0.0. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Solaris Operations	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:26:00 - [5] I echo previous sentiments. I love it how people claim something is "too expensive" when it a) Hasn't been released yet. b) The market hasn't had a chance to stabilize from the initial "OMG"-factor. ----- EVE is a PvP game. Adaptation is your survival.
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:34:00 - [6] Edited by: Blackrainbow Elite on 10/02/2009 14:34:27 Originally by: Ancy Denaries I echo previous sentiments. I love it how people claim something is "too expensive" when it a) Hasn't been released yet. b) The market hasn't had a chance to stabilize from the initial "OMG"-factor. ^^ it is trust me .., if not the ship then the subsystems .. without them .. ship = useless .. so
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:36:00 - [7] As it stands at the moment. The tech3 materials need POS structures to be made. Tech3 blueprints can only be created at POS labs or Caldari Outposts. Tech3 parts can only be assembled at POS structures or Amarr Outposts. So it looks like Tech3 ships are not going to be all that Empire orientated. It's lowsec and 0.0 where the industry for it all is going to happen, so more stuff in lowsec and 0.0 to fight over.
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Blackrainbow Elite on 10/02/2009 14:42:02 Originally by: Shirley Serious As it stands at the moment. The tech3 materials need POS structures to be made. Tech3 blueprints can only be created at POS labs or Caldari Outposts. Tech3 parts can only be assembled at POS structures or Amarr Outposts. So it looks like Tech3 ships are not going to be all that Empire orientated. It's lowsec and 0.0 where the industry for it all is going to happen, so more stuff in lowsec and 0.0 to fight over. for what to fight .. tell it .. nothing .. the alliances own enouth space to build it so there is enouth from those stuff arround then .. but its still expensive .. all u need to do is .. look how many mins and stuff u need for a T2 ship cruiser class and then u think about it how many stuff u need for it .. what for a use got this ship in 0.0 .. the problem isnt that there is not enouth war .. it is .. but with all the last expansions was nothing on stuff for those ppl wich live in 0.0 .. like new ships, mods, pos mods or somethink else .. in other words, they didnt got no new toys but they want new toys too .. only those empire carebears got new stuff .. oh and btw .. low sec is empire too >.< ^^ ----------------------------------------------- I HATE BOB
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:41:00 - [9] T3 has the potential to generate a massive revenue stream for 0.0 wormholes. If the sleepers are as hard-core as the ones spawned in FD- you would need a 0.0 corp to have the assets to deal with them. POS things have already been acknowledged as being crap, but if a general sovereignty overhaul is in the works, making tweaks to a system that may not be in game would be a waste of time. Most of the 'larger' pending issues are PvP/0.0 oriented so hope springs eternal: - Black Ops and cloaking mechanics. - eWar look-see, as in is the ECM boats too good? - Super capital roles and balance. - Ship agility. - Sovereignty system overhaul with more options for fleets less inclined to super-blobs Once all the empire carebear stuff is out of the way, one can hope that the solutions we get to those topics will be durable and not half-arsed attempts at placating us.
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida T3 has the potential to generate a massive revenue stream for 0.0 wormholes. If the sleepers are as hard-core as the ones spawned in FD- you would need a 0.0 corp to have the assets to deal with them. POS things have already been acknowledged as being crap, but if a general sovereignty overhaul is in the works, making tweaks to a system that may not be in game would be a waste of time. Most of the 'larger' pending issues are PvP/0.0 oriented so hope springs eternal: - Black Ops and cloaking mechanics. - eWar look-see, as in is the ECM boats too good? - Super capital roles and balance. - Ship agility. - Sovereignty system overhaul with more options for fleets less inclined to super-blobs Once all the empire carebear stuff is out of the way, one can hope that the solutions we get to those topics will be durable and not half-arsed attempts at placating us. good try but useless .. all what ccp did is they destroyd the pvp balance .. speed nerv .. overpowerd ecm, unbalancing super caps and normal caps .. thats all .. we wich live in 0.0 since years got every expansion more and more nervd .. and for those ppl wich live in 0.0 is pos stuff important .. for u empire carebears not i know .. cause u dont need those stuff .. we do .. we need it .. thats one of the importants thinks in eve for the 0.0 players ... so we wait for new stuff .. oh and to tell it you why it is so important .. what do u think how we can hold 0.0 space with sov .. POS's are the key word for this .. without poses .. no sov .. so very important to hold ur space :) so if u guys got no idea about 0.0 and how we live there is it better to bequiet here .. and stop blaming another ppl if u self got no idea from it .. ----------------------------------------------- I HATE BOB
Hayman Wakefield Caldari Trans-Stellar Salvage Shipping and Securities Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.10 14:55:00 - [11] You're quite right there is absoloutely nothing in this expansion for people in 0.0. Lets either leave and head back to empire or emoragequit. Alternatively we could look at the expansion and realise that the most profitable exploration sites and wormholes will be in oh wait 0.0. Oh noes expensive T3 ships, oh wait I'm in the area of space with the best profitability and easiest access to the materials. Oh noes cruiser sized ships with lots of tactical reconfiguration, now would they be best for always known out come pve but only up to level 3 misisons because the tanks just aren't that great or possibly situational pvp where being able to reconfigure your ship quickly would be a plus? I don't know could you sell me a clue on that one?
Quark Zulu	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:01:00 - [12] Edited by: Quark Zulu on 10/02/2009 15:01:24 Quantum Rise was a great buff to 0.0 with the new soft- and hardware supporting large fleetactions. Quantum Rise was the latest expansion you know. The industry rewamp did¦nt get anywhere really becuase of that. Take your whining and stuff it somewhere the suns never shines please... Cheers Edit: Spelling
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Quark Zulu Edited by: Quark Zulu on 10/02/2009 15:01:24 Quantum Rise was a great buff to 0.0 with the new soft- and hardware supporting large fleetactions. Quantum Rise was the latest expansion you know. The industry rewamp did¦nt get anywhere really becuase of that. Take your whining and stuff it somewhere the suns never shines please... Cheers Edit: Spelling what was good for 0.0 pvp with quantium rise .. oh wait .. the speed nerv ... made many ships useless .. and what was next .. oh the overpowerd ecm wich made it allmost unable to fight vs a ecm ship .. and oh wait .. the super caps are unbalanced now and normal caps too .. forgot it guys .. u empire carebears can forgot it .. u got no idea about 0.0 and pvp so shut up ----------------------------------------------- I HATE BOB
achoura	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:09:00 - [14] Actually, rest of this stuff aside , the t3 ships do come at too high a price for 0.0. Oh not monetary value, it's the sp loss that's the problem in an environment where when, during a war, you can loose 4/5 ships a week loosing a days training per ship... Add that up over afew months and you can happily loose weeks of training, so why will people be using them instead of hacs which they can train to v and keep in the same time frame. When you consider the amount of isk people spend every year to preserve sp in pvp,the implants to gain those extra few weeks training in their clone, are unlikely to want to give it all up just for a different ship. Considering how much of eve has changed since the last patch, seemingly more against consensual pvp, it's encouraging that the newest ship classes actively encourage "safe flying" i.e. sticking to larger groups, blobs, ganks etc. the only thing netter than the pre-nerf b. ops got is one that activity encourages you not to loose your ship or your pod suffers. If ccp balance them the way they're saying them these will be an alternative to t2, with similar stats and fire-power. Good new empire types, you got new toys, lowsec/0.0 pvpers, if you dont already have it invest in hac/recons v instead of putting your sp into a ship you'll loose in a bubble, lag, dd etc. etc... *The EVE servers and their patches*
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:11:00 - [15] well, not all the tech3 doodads are out yet, or with full stats, but so far I've seen: You can make one with as many HP as a battlecruiser. one with the resists of a heavy assault ship. one with the speed of an interceptor. So don't think of them as just fancy t1 cruisers. Yes. Yes, I am.
Kumi Unn	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Blackrainbow Elite Originally by: Quark Zulu Edited by: Quark Zulu on 10/02/2009 15:01:24 Quantum Rise was a great buff to 0.0 with the new soft- and hardware supporting large fleetactions. Quantum Rise was the latest expansion you know. The industry rewamp did¦nt get anywhere really becuase of that. Take your whining and stuff it somewhere the suns never shines please... Cheers Edit: Spelling Why don't you come up to Empire space then? Reep the rewards... what was good for 0.0 pvp with quantium rise .. oh wait .. the speed nerv ... made many ships useless .. and what was next .. oh the overpowerd ecm wich made it allmost unable to fight vs a ecm ship .. and oh wait .. the super caps are unbalanced now and normal caps too .. forgot it guys .. u empire carebears can forgot it .. u got no idea about 0.0 and pvp so shut up
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Hayman Wakefield You're quite right there is absoloutely nothing in this expansion for people in 0.0. Lets either leave and head back to empire or emoragequit. Alternatively we could look at the expansion and realise that the most profitable exploration sites and wormholes will be in oh wait 0.0. Oh noes expensive T3 ships, oh wait I'm in the area of space with the best profitability and easiest access to the materials. Oh noes cruiser sized ships with lots of tactical reconfiguration, now would they be best for always known out come pve but only up to level 3 misisons because the tanks just aren't that great or possibly situational pvp where being able to reconfigure your ship quickly would be a plus? I don't know could you sell me a clue on that one? oh lol ur funny noob .. if u know only a bit about eve then u know delfe, querious and period basis are one of the best areas for mins and so on .. but the normal mins dosnt count .. u need T3 components to build them u need allot of stuff and those stuff is expensiv .. look at the cerb .. what u need to build this ship .. components for 65 mill isk (lowest price in eve) so a cerb is a T2 ship .. how is then the T3 ship with there components .. omg u guys got realy no idea .. u see only sweet new ship good point .. but u never look behind .. why are using no ppl a black op or maro in 0.0 for pvp .. to expensiv those ships .. cause if u fly a pvp op and u got called as prim ur dead dosnt matter wich ship u in .. so this cruiser is useless .. cause i know for effect that it will be expensiv .. and it dosnt matter in a fleet combat what set up u got on that ship .. a fleet ship has no tank cause if u got primary and like 200 ppl shooting u .. u die dosnt matter with or wihtout tank .. so those ships are realy useless in 0.0 .. for empire .. (for this guys wich are a bit stupid) low sec pvp is it good but its a complete expansion for empire carebears ... oh and if some1 will come thoru a wormhole into space wich belongs to a alliance .. they are dead in 5 min after they are there ... and thats a fact .. little intel chan entry and then guys come over and **** there pod out of there space .. topic finishd .. well as i sayd .. u guys see only .. wow sweet new ships .. but u never looked behind it, how the ships work in 0.0, empire (for the carebears again) low sec and empire (again for the carebears) high sec .. for empire (yeah the carebears .. low and high sec) is this ship good but useless in 0.0 ----------------------------------------------- I HATE BOB
Quark Zulu	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Blackrainbow Elite[/quote what was good for 0.0 pvp with quantium rise .. oh wait .. the speed nerv ... made many ships useless .. and what was next .. oh the overpowerd ecm wich made it allmost unable to fight vs a ecm ship .. and oh wait .. the super caps are unbalanced now and normal caps too .. forgot it guys .. u empire carebears can forgot it .. u got no idea about 0.0 and pvp so shut up I dont see a counter to my point that the 0.0 crowd got a lot of dev attention just 4 months ago. Whining about other things dont change that. We still all play by the same rules. By the way. I wont shut up just because you say so. Cheers
Hayman Wakefield Caldari Trans-Stellar Salvage Shipping and Securities Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:29:00 - [19] Edited by: Hayman Wakefield on 10/02/2009 15:32:08 Yeah 4 years in game I'm such a noob and never spent any time in 0.0, or read forums, or play the game Try harder at your trolling it really isn't that good. Pointless person.. pointless rant.. now I remember why I must not get involved in these threads..
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Hayman Wakefield Edited by: Hayman Wakefield on 10/02/2009 15:32:08 Yeah 4 years in game I'm such a noob and never spent any time in 0.0, or read forums, or play the game Try harder at your trolling it really isn't that good. Pointless person.. pointless rant.. now I remember why I must not get involved in these threads.. lol carebear .. shut up .. if u live only in 0.0 since years then u know from what i talk .. but u wont so shut up
MyOwnSling Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Blackrainbow Elite oh and if some1 will come thoru a wormhole into space wich belongs to a alliance .. they are dead in 5 min after they are there ... and thats a fact .. little intel chan entry and then guys come over and **** there pod out of there space .. topic finishd .. Only if you're stupid and unprepared, just like for any pvp op into hostile 0.0 territory. Anyone who knows what they are doing will be prepared and able to cope, in addition to being able to move before intel channels can generate a response.
Sophia Truthspeaker THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Blackrainbow Elite stuff At least be persistent. First you complain that nano got nerved, then you say anything but bs are useless in 0.0. Quote: how is then the T3 ship with there components .. omg u guys got realy no idea That is right we have no idea. But on the other side you don't have any clue either. There is simply no telling how much those ships will cost. I shouldn't feed the troll, but whatever.
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:41:00 - [23] Originally by: MyOwnSling Originally by: Blackrainbow Elite oh and if some1 will come thoru a wormhole into space wich belongs to a alliance .. they are dead in 5 min after they are there ... and thats a fact .. little intel chan entry and then guys come over and **** there pod out of there space .. topic finishd .. Only if you're stupid and unprepared, just like for any pvp op into hostile 0.0 territory. Anyone who knows what they are doing will be prepared and able to cope, in addition to being able to move before intel channels can generate a response. lol a wormhole conets directly from 0.0 to empire .. he mean some empire guys will come over into 0.0 and make there mins, money what ever for the new T3 ships
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:41:00 - [24] The t3 ships are built using a handful of t1 minerals and materials from harvestable clouds and sleeper salvage. Need a POS reactor to make the harvestable clouds into the t3 materials, and maybe a POS to build the ships and subsystems. It's not the same as requiring all those moon mining POS and stuff to make t2 ships. So you cant say t3 are going to be hugely more expensive just like that.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:45:00 - [25] Someone should evemail blackrainbows ceo so he can stop any more damage by association to the op's corp and alliance.
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:50:00 - [26] Edited by: Blackrainbow Elite on 10/02/2009 15:50:50 Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker Originally by: Blackrainbow Elite stuff At least be persistent. First you complain that nano got nerved, then you say anything but bs are useless in 0.0. u didnt read complete, read from me complete and the orthers then u understand .. it was for the subsystems .. som1 is meaning that u can change quick to heavy tank with those cruisers .. and thats why i told him that fleet bs got no tank cause if they call u primay then u die so dosnt matter with or without tank ^^ Quote: how is then the T3 ship with there components .. omg u guys got realy no idea That is right we have no idea. But on the other side you don't have any clue either. There is simply no telling how much those ships will cost. I shouldn't feed the troll, but whatever. not complete correct ... if u play on sisi u can get there allready some little infos from ccp .. but dont play stupid even its cheap this ship its still useless .. not enouth dps for fleet fights, not enouth range for pos attacks, not enouth fire power for a gatecamp and for a roaming op .. so there is realy no point in using this ship for 0.0 pvp ^^ but next dont play stupid again .. cause if u look how much a T1 cruiser is to build, then a T2 version from it .. whats the difference .. and now the T3 .. there is a huge difference then again .. and how some carebears want to tell it us here .. that this ship will so perfect and ultimate, then its pretty expensive :P
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:51:00 - [27] This thread needs more whine tbh. so, let me help you Blackrainbow:"Oh halp, T3 Ships will be ****, some of them doesnt even have textures" I'm curious about T3 and how it fits to zerospace.
Blackrainbow Elite Dark Rising Shadow Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:56:00 - [28] Edited by: Blackrainbow Elite on 10/02/2009 15:57:04 Originally by: Naomi Wildfire This thread needs more whine tbh. so, let me help you Blackrainbow:"Oh halp, T3 Ships will be ****, some of them doesnt even have textures" I'm curious about T3 and how it fits to zerospace. i like how they look atm ^^ its different from the normal ships skins xD and it looks as some sex toys >.<
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.10 15:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Also, what's up with " .. "? Quoting because i also like to know.
Neylan	Posted - 2009.02.10 16:04:00 - [30] Edited by: Neylan on 10/02/2009 16:03:57 whats wrong with you? If you don't like 0.0 move your ass to lowsec or empire. If 0.0 is this bad why are you still there complaining? You know, you have the choice. And even if you don't have a choice and don't want to leave 0.0 why don't you make some __good__ and __solid__ suggestions (free Titans for everyone is not good) what could be added to 0.0 to make your life better?

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