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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:48:00 -
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1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
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Inectus
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:53:00 -
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It's basically a CYA (cover your ass). They really don't care what you think about the warning, but all it takes is one up tight parent looking at the chat log and seeing **** and it's all over. By putting the disclaimer there it covers them from anything serious and also serves as an additional warning to potentially ignorant people.
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Inectus
It's basically a CYA (cover your ass). They really don't care what you think about the warning, but all it takes is one up tight parent looking at the chat log and seeing **** and it's all over. By putting the disclaimer there it covers them from anything serious and also serves as an additional warning to potentially ignorant people.
Parents who are so stupid they need to be told this have basically failed natural selection and shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
I am offended by this notice, maybe they should CTA against that...
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:57:00 -
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1. This thread would suggest otherwise and yes ESRB notice sucks.
2. Obviously there are computer programs that mine for any relevant data and reporting any anomalies. Using humans would be too inefficient.
3. My vote goes to "the manufacturer of this phone can't be held responsible for the conversations on this device."
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Mspaine
Amarr
Astral Core Systems
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:57:00 -
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this may have something to do with the Australian Government's decision to ban the sales (both in store and online) of games that do not have a rating - eg. World of Warcraft. So unfortunately for you, in a legal sense, ESRB from the USA is applicable to you :)
this doesnt realy apply to eve, as our government can suck me when it comes to actualy policing the online sales of unrated games, however if a large volume of sales from eve here were actualy bought from stores such as EB (which to my current knowledge, ive never seen eve or eve timecards for sale there...) it isnt realy applicable.
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Gallente trader10
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Posted - 2009.02.11 08:59:00 -
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lolmerica is the reason. don't try to understand it
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
Hey at least they made it a bit unobtrusive by sticking it in the lower left corner and it dissapears a few seconds after you start the client anyways.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mspaine
this doesnt realy apply to eve, as our government can suck me when it comes to actualy policing the online sales of unrated games
I'm pretty sure Eve is rated T, based on their ads. In any case, our world is ruled by lawyers now so if they don't put that warning up somebody would probably sue CCP because OMG I SAW DA EFF BOMB ON MAH INTERNETS, and win. Remember, McDonalds didnt start putting the warning on the coffee to insult people, they did it because some punk successfully sued them for several million dollars.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:08:00 -
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Since **** is censored by the forums, that's p00p, i doubt they can do ANY more to alleviate the parental concerns of of the grown-up units.
Unless you know of any person who's had a kid who's offended by the word ****
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Navtiqes
Englebarna
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Navtiqes on 11/02/2009 09:10:43
It's just some dumbass disclaimer they're forced to do so all those clowns* that put their cats in the microwave won't go ahead and sue CCP because someone called them **** in an internet game.
*Incidently, said clowns all come from the country where ESRB rating is being used.
Also, if you need to be informed what the ESRB rating for a product is, you probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place. |
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Flesh Eater on 11/02/2009 09:12:56
Here is Australia, they put a big, brightly coloured ratings box on the front of DVDs - usually it stands out more than the title.
The Australian government wants to install a giant firewall just like China.
I am told before logging in to Eve that any internet chatting is not "rated".(Never mind that internet forums, chat channels, IRC, msn, Phone SMS, Email, newsgroups, Web Pages, I.E. THE ENTIRE INTERNET is also not "rated")
Something is wrong.
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Navtiqes
Englebarna
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:13:00 -
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Wow, I hadn't thought Australia was so stuck up :( sorry to hear.
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Premier Romanov
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mspaine
which to my current knowledge, ive never seen eve or eve timecards for sale there...
FYI, my local EB games here in Australia said they were getting the box set of Eve around the 18th of March. I wonder how many potential customers will put the game back when they realise/are told it's an online game that requires a monthly fee to play?
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:39:00 -
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What about these forums? TBH I have found much more offensive content here than in the actual game.
Take tonight for example, some guy started a topic asking for advice for which laptop would give him "best bang for the buck" for playing eve next to his nagging wife - and some guy replies that a brothel would give him more "bang for the buck". Come on, that is way out of line and downright offensive. Any kid who read that would be scarred for life, and end up becomming addicted to brothels and prostitution rather than settling down and starting his own family.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:41:00 -
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you can't sell a boxxed game without it.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.11 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 11/02/2009 11:00:22
Originally by: MotherMoon
you can't sell a boxxed game without it.
Sure you can... in countries where people are capable of thinking for themselves.
I am not trying to bash any particular country because I have no idea in which part of the world the moronic ESRB rating is required, but like the OP, I find it an offense to my intellect and to the intellectual capabilities of humanity in general.
If you are so stupid that you need others to evaluate simple things for you, there is either something wrong with you and/or the society you are living in.
The human intellect is our greatest strength and drives our society forward. That is why stupidity (or laziness that leads to stupidity) should i no way be encouraged. |
ResearchBunny Beatrix
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:09:00 -
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You wasted your time to post this, and I ... hay, wait. |
Banana Bread
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
What about these forums? TBH I have found much more offensive content here than in the actual game.
Take tonight for example, some guy started a topic asking for advice for which laptop would give him "best bang for the buck" for playing eve next to his nagging wife - and some guy replies that a brothel would give him more "bang for the buck". Come on, that is way out of line and downright offensive. Any kid who read that would be scarred for life, and end up becomming addicted to brothels and prostitution rather than settling down and starting his own family.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:29:00 -
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I, too, think this was worth a post.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 11/02/2009 11:00:22
Originally by: MotherMoon
you can't sell a boxxed game without it.
Sure you can... in countries where people are capable of thinking for themselves.
I am not trying to bash any particular country because I have no idea in which part of the world the moronic ESRB rating is required, but like the OP, I find it an offense to my intellect and to the intellectual capabilities of humanity in general.
If you are so stupid that you need others to evaluate simple things for you, there is either something wrong with you and/or the society you are living in.
The human intellect is our greatest strength and drives our society forward. That is why stupidity (or laziness that leads to stupidity) should i no way be encouraged.
no, they aren't allowed to shelf the box, legally.
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Patul Swarntag
Minmatar
Eagleburger Enterprises Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:53:00 -
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Censorship and ratings are crazy to begin with.
The majority of people who can afford to buy games, DVDs, visit cinemas and play EVE live in a very safe place and time in world history. Obviously I don't include most of Africa and other parts of the world where survival is a matter of chance. Not surprisingly these places don't really put any particular emphasis on rating forms of entertainment to prevent some sort of "offence". Mainly they are trying to prevent themselves being hacked to death or starving to death.
We (the lucky ones) don't have to worry about catching the plague and dying at age 17 or that a marauding horde of barbarians is about to come down out of the hills, break down the city gate, kill and **** everyone and leave wearing your skin as an amusing hat.
Being killed or physically violated would certainly be offensive.
Watching some computer graphics or see someone call someone else a nasty word is hardly something that will offend anyone or that you need to be protected from. Censoring and rating the majority of forms of entertainment, art and human interaction in this safe day and age is stifling to human creativity and subduing the benefits our current level of technology and knowledge.
It turns out that its mainly only crazed religious nuts and extremists who are into censorship anyway...
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StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:57:00 -
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cant the OP find something sensible to whine about?
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
Any kid who read that would be scarred for life, and end up becomming addicted to brothels and prostitution rather than settling down and starting his own family.
You totaly lost me here bub. This is a ridiculis claim. If you do not get the CYA aspect of why CCP did this. If you do not realize that the USA is the most likely place they will get attacked from when the boxes hit the shelf. Then it is you sir that should not realy be allowed to impregnate a female.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Patul Swarntag
Minmatar
Eagleburger Enterprises Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Patul Swarntag on 11/02/2009 12:10:42
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Flesh Eater
Any kid who read that would be scarred for life, and end up becomming addicted to brothels and prostitution rather than settling down and starting his own family.
You totaly lost me here bub. This is a ridiculis claim. If you do not get the CYA aspect of why CCP did this. If you do not realize that the USA is the most likely place they will get attacked from when the boxes hit the shelf. Then it is you sir that should not realy be allowed to impregnate a female.
Slade
Turn on your sarcasm scanner there buddy.
You'll find that his comment was dripping with so much sarcasm you could collect it in buckets and wash cars with it...
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Flesh Eater
Any kid who read that would be scarred for life, and end up becomming addicted to brothels and prostitution rather than settling down and starting his own family.
You totaly lost me here bub. This is a ridiculis claim. If you do not get the CYA aspect of why CCP did this. If you do not realize that the USA is the most likely place they will get attacked from when the boxes hit the shelf. Then it is you sir that should not realy be allowed to impregnate a female.
Slade
It would get "attacked" for not warning that a user might encounter "unrated chat" online???
If that is the case, then the USA is well passed its used-by date.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.11 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 11/02/2009 12:13:01
Originally by: Patul Swarntag
Turn on your sarcasm scanner there buddy.
You'll find that his comment was dripping with so much sarcasm you could collect it in buckets and wash cars with it...
Well it is early, I have recently stopped injesting caffine, and I do not detect it. His last post seemed fairly non sarcastic. I will have to reread in a few hours and reevaluate 
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.11 13:54:00 -
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Thing is, why have the ESRB thing when we have the freakshow called the "Office of Film and Literature Classification".
Actually there are a lot of these freakshows around:
# Europe (excluding Germany) - Pan European Game Information
# Finland - Finnish Board of Film Classification
# Germany - Voluntary Monitoring Organisation of Entertainment Software
# Japan - Computer Entertainment Rating Organization
# New Zealand - Office of Film and Literature Classification
# United Kingdom - British Board of Film Classification
I thought Eve was an international game? Please CCP, give us seperate logo for each one on the login/news screen!
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Navtiqes
Englebarna
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Posted - 2009.02.11 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
Thing is, why have the ESRB thing when we have the freakshow called the "Office of Film and Literature Classification".
Actually there are a lot of these freakshows around:
# Europe (excluding Germany) - Pan European Game Information
# Finland - Finnish Board of Film Classification
# Germany - Voluntary Monitoring Organisation of Entertainment Software
# Japan - Computer Entertainment Rating Organization
# New Zealand - Office of Film and Literature Classification
# United Kingdom - British Board of Film Classification
I thought Eve was an international game? Please CCP, give us seperate logo for each one on the login/news screen!
As far as I know, EVE Online would have to get ratings from all of those to be allowed on shelves in their respective countries. ESRB means nothing outside of the States. |
AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.11 14:46:00 -
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I smell a troll...pew!
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Southern Suzy
Minmatar
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
Theres a few reasons for this,
most amricans are dumber than rocks so they dont understand that a game cannot control what players inside tell eachother.
America has no common sence, so this message protects them from stupid lawsuits that make no sense and go about insane money claims
So wait this is the end of my post allready?
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Asmodeaus
Gallente
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Southern Suzy
Originally by: Flesh Eater
1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
Theres a few reasons for this,
most amricans are dumber than rocks so they dont understand that a game cannot control what players inside tell eachother.
America has no common sence, so this message protects them from stupid lawsuits that make no sense and go about insane money claims
Man, I hate those "amricans" and their lack of 'sence'.
What they should really do is make intelligent spelling a major export, so they can understand posts like this one.
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:40:00 -
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CCP have to put this message in so that they can sell a boxed version of the game. They also don't have regional clients (well, I suppose they sort of do) so everyone gets the same message. It's hardly in the way.
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Destiny Balls
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 11/02/2009 15:47:26
It has nothing to do with legalities or angry parents. One of the biggest myths of the American legal system is that it is rampant with stupid lawsuits and angry parents.
It has everything to do with companies like Walmart, Target, Bestbuy, etc. that simply go by the rating on the product when deciding whether it should go on the shelf. Basically it costs less for them to do it this way, rather then researching every item. There are some legal issues that cause this situation (ie: no selling **** to children  ) but that is the store's legal issue, not CCP's.
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Th0rG0d
Caldari
Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2009.02.11 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
One of the biggest myths of the American legal system is that it is rampant with stupid lawsuits and angry parents.
I may be no lawyer, but I lmao when I read this! Tell that to McDonalds and educators!!
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ralitge boyter on 11/02/2009 16:01:26
Originally by: Navtiqes
Originally by: Flesh Eater
Thing is, why have the ESRB thing when we have the freakshow called the "Office of Film and Literature Classification".
Actually there are a lot of these freakshows around:
# Europe (excluding Germany) - Pan European Game Information
# Finland - Finnish Board of Film Classification
# Germany - Voluntary Monitoring Organisation of Entertainment Software
# Japan - Computer Entertainment Rating Organization
# New Zealand - Office of Film and Literature Classification
# United Kingdom - British Board of Film Classification
I thought Eve was an international game? Please CCP, give us seperate logo for each one on the login/news screen!
As far as I know, EVE Online would have to get ratings from all of those to be allowed on shelves in their respective countries. ESRB means nothing outside of the States.
This should tell you something about the American leagal system... yes it is not functioning well if a company is forced to place a disclaimer on their product to inform people that they do not have control over the interactions between individuals engaged in conversation that happens to have been made possible by their product.
All these other rating clubs (as far as I know) assume that a person has a brain and is able to figure out them selfs that a conversation between individuals cannot be controled by a company making this conversation possible, nor should it be.
But in a country where even live TV is delayed by a few seconds so potentially harmfull images can be sensored and potentially harmfull words can be filtered I guess there is no other way but to put something like that on you product.
Now if we only ban anyone dumb enough to need these kinds of warnings from entering any other country in the world we could drop this, but that could be quite difficult seeing as their last leader needed a lot more then just a warning like that before entering the internets.
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Southern Suzy
Edited by: Southern Suzy on 11/02/2009 15:41:53
Originally by: Flesh Eater
1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
Theres a few reasons for this,
most americans are dumber than rocks so they dont understand that a game cannot control what players inside tell eachother.
America has no common sence, so this message protects them from stupid lawsuits that make no sense and go about insane money claims
Uh huh. America bashing seems to be something people love to be doing. Espcially the so called 'enlightened' europeans. Honestly, go die in a fire. America upheld more human rights before bush and now will uphold them once again now. America is not dumber then the rest of the world, we just broadcast more then other countires and are a popular target.
Do we have insane lawsuits? Yes, we have some. But what isn't said is that most of those are either thrown out or settled because it's cheaper then paying the lawyers and this happens all over the world. And that mcdonalds lawsuit was because the java was so hot it caused 3rd degree burns when it fell on people because mcdonalds didn't want to pay for making more. Do you know how hot liquids need to be to cause 3rd degree burns? That's perfectly reasonable to sue over.
Sure the ESRB is crazy and that cutting off a female mammery gland is considered more acceptable then seeing one suckled, but let's not pretend that your laws and regulationas are too much better. "Extreme ****" bans anyone? "Hateful/derogatory speech about Islam Religon"?
Also I typed this out on my G1, sorry for any misspellings and such.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:21:00 -
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Rating...AH
Really funny.
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.11 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 11/02/2009 16:44:42
Originally by: T***G0d
Originally by: Khemul Zula
One of the biggest myths of the American legal system is that it is rampant with stupid lawsuits and angry parents.
I may be no lawyer, but I lmao when I read this! Tell that to McDonalds and educators!!
Exactly my point.
Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants. A case that is commonly used as a case study in business law and engineering.
Most of what people hear about the "silly American legal system" is from the media reporting on a case which tends to range from misleading to flat out fabricated (ie: the RV on cruise control lawsuit that people like to cite).
I will admit there is an issue with for educators at the moment that stems from angry parents though. But that isn't so much an issue with the legal system as it is with politics in general.
edit: Awesome... *** is censored on the forums.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
Originally by: Inectus
It's basically a CYA (cover your ass). They really don't care what you think about the warning, but all it takes is one up tight parent looking at the chat log and seeing **** and it's all over. By putting the disclaimer there it covers them from anything serious and also serves as an additional warning to potentially ignorant people.
Parents who are so stupid they need to be told this have basically failed natural selection and shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
I am offended by this notice, maybe they should CTA against that...
I am offended that you are so easily offended.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
pSyChOTIC CareBears
BrightSpark Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Since **** is censored by the forums, that's p00p, i doubt they can do ANY more to alleviate the parental concerns of of the grown-up units.
Unless you know of any person who's had a kid who's offended by the word ****
*****! VAGINA!
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Riedle
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Posted - 2009.02.11 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Eater
Thing is, why have the ESRB thing when we have the freakshow called the "Office of Film and Literature Classification".
Actually there are a lot of these freakshows around:
# Europe (excluding Germany) - Pan European Game Information
# Finland - Finnish Board of Film Classification
# Germany - Voluntary Monitoring Organisation of Entertainment Software
# Japan - Computer Entertainment Rating Organization
# New Zealand - Office of Film and Literature Classification
# United Kingdom - British Board of Film Classification
I thought Eve was an international game? Please CCP, give us seperate logo for each one on the login/news screen!
Answer, your country is insignificant to CCP.
Deal with it.
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Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:15:00 -
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Geez, 41 posts without anyone mentioning ATARI suprised me.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order in these forums.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:21:00 -
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Guess what, you aren't on an Australian server and you aren't playing on an Australian client.
It's necessary in the U.S. Get over it.
If you don't want it, play a game entirely based in Australia.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
Guess what, you aren't on an Australian server and you aren't playing on an Australian client.
It's necessary in the U.S. Get over it.
If you don't want it, play a game entirely based in Australia.
CCP HQ: Rekyavik
Servers: London.
Litigious idiocy imported from the US: Everywhere.
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KaarBaak
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:32:00 -
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The REAL ironic aspect of this thread is that it was started by an australian
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Kirgan
Caldari
Pyrognome
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Posted - 2009.02.11 18:42:00 -
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We will have these types of warnings as long as we have people that can look at an electric hairdryer warning that says "Attention do not use in shower" and say oh!
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
Guess what, you aren't on an Australian server and you aren't playing on an Australian client.
It's necessary in the U.S. Get over it.
If you don't want it, play a game entirely based in Australia.
CCP HQ: Rekyavik
Servers: London.
Litigious idiocy imported from the US: Everywhere.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22
Sure the ESRB is crazy and that cutting off a female mammery gland is considered more acceptable then seeing one suckled, but let's not pretend that your laws and regulationas are too much better. "Extreme ****" bans anyone? "Hateful/derogatory speech about Islam Religon"?
Also I typed this out on my G1, sorry for any misspellings and such.
errmmm.... what game is that in 
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Grek Forto
THE IRIS
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:49:00 -
[49]
PEGI > ESRB 
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.11 20:49:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Asestorian
CCP have to put this message in so that they can sell a boxed version of the game. They also don't have regional clients (well, I suppose they sort of do) so everyone gets the same message. It's hardly in the way.
Umm, so put the warning on the box in the USA if you suckers need it (!?), no need for the meaningless warning to be seen in game, outside of the USA.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:05:00 -
[51]
OP is troll. CCP are complying with a law. How does a notice at login affect you? It doesn't, you're just a whiny trollish idiot.
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:34:00 -
[52]
That same disclaimer is needed in parts of the EU as well.
The ESRB will give a rating to games even if they don't like them... but the Australian and European countries will just not give them a rating... and the laws in effect mean they can not be sold there legally.
So in effect the reason for the disclaimer is the laws of more than just the US
(Don't believe me... consider this : Australia and a couple other nations have different versions of Fallout 3 ... and are going after e-bay because they are letting the locals buy the US version. )
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.12 01:36:00 -
[53]
I honestly believe that the world needs to remove all the nerf and padding. And let Darwin sort out the rest.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:00:00 -
[54]
I'd rather we just deal with the outside world using eve rules, instead of the other way around. Stupid parent complains? Dead. Stupid parents children? Sold as slaves. Lawyers can hide in canada(highsec).
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:05:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Akor Flandres
OP is troll. CCP are complying with a law. How does a notice at login affect you? It doesn't, you're just a whiny trollish idiot.
While I admit under John Howard, it felt like we were becoming another State of the USA, but even so, how can ESRB (A body from the USA) be a legal requirement for me?
Anyway, this warning that "online interactions are not rated" is not even an ESRB rating. (e.g. E, EC, T, M, AO) So I don't see how it would even be required in the USA.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.12 03:30:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Flesh Eater
Originally by: Akor Flandres
OP is troll. CCP are complying with a law. How does a notice at login affect you? It doesn't, you're just a whiny trollish idiot.
While I admit under John Howard, it felt like we were becoming another State of the USA, but even so, how can ESRB (A body from the USA) be a legal requirement for me?
Anyway, this warning that "online interactions are not rated" is not even an ESRB rating. (e.g. E, EC, T, M, AO) So I don't see how it would even be required in the USA.
It is part of the ESRB warning. It is basically referencing the actual rating and saying parts of the game do not apply. Same thing with movies with the "special features on this disc are not rated" message that pops up DVDs.
As for the rating not applying to people outside of the USA, that seems to just be the result of CCP only making one client (well two, but you get the point).
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Posted - 2009.02.12 04:33:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Inectus
It's basically a CYA (cover your ass). They really don't care what you think about the warning, but all it takes is one up tight parent looking at the chat log and seeing **** and it's all over. By putting the disclaimer there it covers them from anything serious and also serves as an additional warning to potentially ignorant people.
Let's not forget people who are simply willing to pretend to be ignorant/morally outraged long enough to sue the pants off someone stupid enough not to throw in a 'Surprise *********' protection clause.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:45:00 -
[58]
There's also a reason why there's a warning on a hair dryer "do not use while showering"...or something to that effect.
Then again, there's also many other things with idiot labels...like plastic bags.
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:50:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Flesh Eater
1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
its on every game you play online...but you're going to choose to whine about this one?
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:51:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Jennifer Celeste
Originally by: Flesh Eater
1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
its on every game you play online...but you're going to choose to whine about this one?
Duh, obvious troll is obvious 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.12 05:55:00 -
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Warning : coffee scalding hot, do not pour directly on your crotch.
Warning : hammer may cause injury if used on people's heads.
Warning : keep knifes out of children.
Hooray for idiot warning labels.
No, that's not idiotic warning labels.
It's labels for warning idiots.
I'd replace all the warning stickers with this generic sticker...
Warning : do not touch, nor even think about this product if you're an idiot that doesn't know well how to use it.
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2009.02.12 06:28:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Jennifer Celeste
its on every game you play online...but you're going to choose to whine about this one?
No it isn't.
Warcraft III - nope
FreeCiv - nope
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars: it has "Game experience may change during online play" or similar - I have NFI what this even means. The game is pretty much online only. (you can play against bots, and even they abuse you in the chat haha)
Why do they feel the need to "rate" every part of this, just because it is a game? In game chat is just a form of communication amongst people, which is, as far as I know, not "rated" anywhere else.
If the people playing these games do not object to these pointless messages appearing all over the place, then who will?
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Posted - 2009.02.14 02:23:00 -
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I'm not sure all of the respondents to this thread understand just what the ESRB is. First of all, it is not any sort of government organization. It has no external enforcement authority anywhere (even within the U.S.) Participation is voluntary by the publishers.
Basically, a decade or so back some old, non-gameplaying, American politicos got their panties in a wad over some violent and/or sexual content in some games. They called a bunch of developers and publishers in to testify. The devs/pubs were being faced with the prospect of a government-mandated/enforced rating system. In order to head that off, they chose to 'self-regulate' by forming the Entertainment Software Rating Board. The devs/pubs agreed to submit any game published in US or Canada to the ESRB for rating. The devs/pubs agreed to 'voluntarily' comply with this requirement and granted the board certain enforcement tools (ability to levee fines, etc.)
Basically, the ESRB exists in order to keep the government from regulating video game content. In the United States, devs/pubs are permitted to create any sort of content they choose. Unlike countries whose governments attempt to control access to information (see Germany, China, France, Australia, Sweden, etc.) While the US has made attempts to censor certain types of internet access and content, almost every single one of those attempts has been struck down by the courts a violation of it's citizens Freedom of Speech. As a result of this freedom the US has relied more on industry self-regulation like the ESRB.
I think we're all better off for it. I don't need John McCain, Ted Kennedy or Hilary Clinton telling me that EVE might damage my delicate psyche.
KB
Note: the ESRB itself is not without it's faults. It is frequently criticized for the methodology for rating games. But this thread was not about what ratings a game should get...it's more about whether ratings should exist at all. This post was meant to explain why the ratings/warnings are there. If these warnings bruise the delicate sensibilities of a few Aussies, I guess it's the price we pay. As for warnings on websites about content....don't worry....in Australia the government is attempting to simply block access to sites those old cronies deem inappropriate--you won't be insulted by any more warning than "Access to this site is denied. Viva Koala!"
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Posted - 2009.02.14 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Warning : coffee scalding hot, do not pour directly on your crotch.
Warning : hammer may cause injury if used on people's heads.
Warning : keep knifes out of children.
Hooray for idiot warning labels.
No, that's not idiotic warning labels.
It's labels for warning idiots.
I'd replace all the warning stickers with this generic sticker...
Warning : do not touch, nor even think about this product if you're an idiot that doesn't know well how to use it.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Warlord7 on 14/02/2009 04:11:26
ROFLMAO,really folks who cares about a disclaimer, and to bash America because of a disclaimer only stoops you down to the soccer mom whine level. NEEEEEEXT !!!! Maybe something actually worth complaining about anybody????? |
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Posted - 2009.02.14 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Arryn Bakagin on 14/02/2009 04:23:40
Edited by: Arryn Bakagin on 14/02/2009 04:23:05
I'm really loving how many people in this thread are displaying a basic lack of knowledge regarding the McDonald's coffee case. You all should really learn to look things up before spouting nonsense.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
I'm not sure all of the respondents to this thread understand just what the ESRB is. First of all, it is not any sort of government organization. It has no external enforcement authority anywhere (even within the U.S.) Participation is voluntary by the publishers.
Basically, a decade or so back some old, non-gameplaying, American politicos got their panties in a wad over some violent and/or sexual content in some games. They called a bunch of developers and publishers in to testify. The devs/pubs were being faced with the prospect of a government-mandated/enforced rating system. In order to head that off, they chose to 'self-regulate' by forming the Entertainment Software Rating Board. The devs/pubs agreed to submit any game published in US or Canada to the ESRB for rating. The devs/pubs agreed to 'voluntarily' comply with this requirement and granted the board certain enforcement tools (ability to levee fines, etc.)
Basically, the ESRB exists in order to keep the government from regulating video game content. In the United States, devs/pubs are permitted to create any sort of content they choose. Unlike countries whose governments attempt to control access to information (see Germany, China, France, Australia, Sweden, etc.) While the US has made attempts to censor certain types of internet access and content, almost every single one of those attempts has been struck down by the courts a violation of it's citizens Freedom of Speech. As a result of this freedom the US has relied more on industry self-regulation like the ESRB.
I think we're all better off for it. I don't need John McCain, Ted Kennedy or Hilary Clinton telling me that EVE might damage my delicate psyche.
KB
Note: the ESRB itself is not without it's faults. It is frequently criticized for the methodology for rating games. But this thread was not about what ratings a game should get...it's more about whether ratings should exist at all. This post was meant to explain why the ratings/warnings are there. If these warnings bruise the delicate sensibilities of a few Aussies, I guess it's the price we pay. As for warnings on websites about content....don't worry....in Australia the government is attempting to simply block access to sites those old cronies deem inappropriate--you won't be insulted by any more warning than "Access to this site is denied. Viva Koala!"
This since its what I was going to say.
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Taylor timenenzi
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Posted - 2009.02.14 05:05:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Arryn Bakagin
Edited by: Arryn Bakagin on 14/02/2009 04:23:40
Edited by: Arryn Bakagin on 14/02/2009 04:23:05
I'm really loving how many people in this thread are displaying a basic lack of knowledge regarding the McDonald's coffee case. You all should really learn to look things up before spouting nonsense.
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Xelios
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.14 05:15:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Akita T
Warning : coffee scalding hot, do not pour directly on your crotch.
Warning : hammer may cause injury if used on people's heads.
Warning : keep knifes out of children.
Hooray for idiot warning labels.
No, that's not idiotic warning labels.
It's labels for warning idiots.
I'd replace all the warning stickers with this generic sticker...
Warning : do not touch, nor even think about this product if you're an idiot that doesn't know well how to use it.
I think all warning labels like that should be removed. Let natural selection do its job please, or we'll end up in Idiocracy.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:06:00 -
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I seriously don't see what the big deal is. It's just a friggin' "sticker". If you don't like it...Put a piece of tape over that spot, white it out, or just close your eyes when you log in...
Apoctasy > unfortunately, Concord does not reimburse citizens for their own stupidity
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Sensor Error
SensorTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:26:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Flesh Eater
Parents who are so stupid they need to be told this have basically failed natural selection and shouldn't have had kids in the first place.
I am offended by this notice, maybe they should CTA against that...
firstly, for no reason, I thought I'd quote this guy. Then I'd like to point out that the ESRB is an American organisation.
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:37:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Flesh Eater
1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
Someone should make a law to avoid you getting insulted.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.14 17:42:00 -
[73]
Peanut Butter: Warning! Contains Peanuts!
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2009.02.14 18:04:00 -
[74]
EVE Online is worldwide, and the box will be sold in American among other places which means we have to show the ESRB stuff.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Bootya
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Posted - 2009.02.14 18:11:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Peanut Butter: Warning! Contains Peanuts!
Actually, that is not always the case 
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GateScout
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Posted - 2009.02.14 20:59:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Flesh Eater
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence.
I seriously doubt that.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.14 21:30:00 -
[77]
Well I do remember the warning label that told you to "dont attempt to stop the chainsaw using your reproductive organs".
Only way a label like that can exist is because someone tried and filed a lawsuit about it when it was painful.
"Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot."
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Posted - 2009.02.14 21:45:00 -
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They should add warnings to weapon buttons as well, "Pressing this button will engage you in hostile actions again another Human Being, and is in direct violation of the American Christian Pacifist Movement(ACPM)'s beliefs.
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On Edge
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.14 22:22:00 -
[79]
My useful contribution to this thread goes something like this.
In my experience disclaimers tend to mean only 1 of 2 things:
1. The company has a duty of care which a disclaimer does not absolve them of.
2. The company has already completed its duty of care and the disclaimer has no purpose other than to make it look like they care.
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Cadde
Gallente
Gene Works
AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.02.14 22:31:00 -
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Instead of letting the censoring groups win, they should be all be lined up and shot as soon as they utter a single word. I find them offensive to mother nature.
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Xiao LoPan
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Posted - 2009.02.14 22:35:00 -
[81]
George Carlan was sooo right.
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CaptainAttitude
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.14 23:56:00 -
[82]
I find it ironic a guy from Australia is complaining about this. How do you like all the GTA games or any other violent game? What's that? All kinds of games get banned in Australia for completely stupid reasons? Huh. Welp, have fun being a jackass about the ESRB.
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Norcuron
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.15 00:13:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Flesh Eater
1. I live in Australia, ESRB from the USA is not even slightly relevant to me.
2. This message is insulting to my intelligence. Obviously there aren't people sitting there 24/7 censoring our gameplay/chats LIVE.
3. What is next, putting this message on all web-sites "This site is not rated by <insert various ultra-conservative weirdo groups>"? Or telephones with stickers "Conversations on this device are not rated"
Showing that you are offended by this notices clearly shows why they have to put it up...
Morons...
DURRRRRRRR
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:35:00 -
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how strange, imagine ESRB game raters trying to rate a game where the game is all about empowering the players to do what they want to do; we each decide what we see, where we go and how we play .. they might just as well try to rate that last patch for us ...
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Becham
Infestation.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:47:00 -
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Dumb warning labels are only found in the U.S.A.
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