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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.23 00:55:00 -
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I have been made aware of some people who are missing current analyses they could be interested in. I put all of them in a thread with the very general title of "Experiment #01: RL finance analysis applied to EvE" so casual readers will often miss the new analyses.
I am not changing the thread title since that is neither Google friendly nor EvE Search friendly and I'd have to change that thread OP all the time.
Therefore I have decided that when I post something that could be of general MD interest, like a current patch related analysis, I'll just change this stub post title and links to directly point to it.
Here's the analysis stated in the topic title. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Evil Brock Nelson
T2 Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:04:00 -
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What VV looks like in RL |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
294
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Posted - 2012.04.23 02:23:00 -
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2012.04.23 08:39:00 -
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The OP basically links to a giant post that says if the squiggly line does something then it can rise, fall or stay in a trading range, with a vague nod towards rising squiggly line.
If it turns out in fact that the squiggly line doesn't squiggle upwards as preferred by some readers, then the OP will point to the alternative possibilities predicted, which of course cover 100% of the possible ways a line might squiggle (other than being delisted), and therefore regardless of the direction this line squiggles, the extremely valuable profession of technical analysis will not in any way have its reputation harmed.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.23 09:10:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:The OP basically links to a giant post that says if the squiggly line does something then it can rise, fall or stay in a trading range, with a vague nod towards rising squiggly line.
If it turns out in fact that the squiggly line doesn't squiggle upwards as preferred by some readers, then the OP will point to the alternative possibilities predicted, which of course cover 100% of the possible ways a line might squiggle (other than being delisted), and therefore regardless of the direction this line squiggles, the extremely valuable profession of technical analysis will not in any way have its reputation harmed.
You have not opened the thread at all. It has zero squiggly lines at all... Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
12
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Posted - 2012.04.23 10:14:00 -
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The graph shows nicely done manipulation with nocxium. It does not show, however, that price decreases before the price jumps were made deliberately by placing large stockpiles at lower prices so that other people sell their nocxium out.
Interesting is that some made huge stockpiles expecting that a miracle will happen on 24th and prices will jump much higher. However, nocxium stockpiles are huge and they can last for a long, long time. So I expect some of these people unloading their stockpile right after 24th and crashing nocxium prices for a long time. After all summer is coming with lower mineral prices as usual.  |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
573
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Posted - 2012.04.23 12:34:00 -
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No. The Price was being held down by the Pax Amaria.
On April 3, the Pax Amarria was changed to refine to Trit instead of Nocx.
Feel free to Google.
There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
181
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:11:00 -
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lafforet wrote:The graph shows nicely done manipulation with nocxium. It does not show, however, that price decreases before the price jumps were made deliberately by placing large stockpiles at lower prices so that other people sell their nocxium out. Interesting is that some made huge stockpiles expecting that a miracle will happen on 24th and prices will jump much higher. However, nocxium stockpiles are huge and they can last for a long, long time. So I expect some of these people unloading their stockpile right after 24th and crashing nocxium prices for a long time. After all summer is coming with lower mineral prices as usual.  You're an idiot, and are in for a surprise.
You want some nocxium analysis, by the way? 45-50 million units mined per day from pyroxeres. Compare to volume in Jita & hubs on a daily basis -> draw conclusion -> laugh.  |

Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:26:00 -
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Its almost like you know nothing about the underlying mechanics of nocxium pricing. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
637
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:31:00 -
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lafforet wrote:The graph shows nicely done manipulation with nocxium. It does not show, however, that price decreases before the price jumps were made deliberately by placing large stockpiles at lower prices so that other people sell their nocxium out. Interesting is that some made huge stockpiles expecting that a miracle will happen on 24th and prices will jump much higher. However, nocxium stockpiles are huge and they can last for a long, long time. So I expect some of these people unloading their stockpile right after 24th and crashing nocxium prices for a long time. After all summer is coming with lower mineral prices as usual. 
Yes, graphs don't tell why price changed, just that price changed. That's one of the beautiful features of price reading: you don't need to have an awesome knowledge of your market, who are the big guys to add to the contact list or to follow 0.0 politics and patch notes. Of course if you have such awesome knowledge you WILL perform like a pro. Notice the have, not the "you believe you have", which instantly makes you a small fry to suck dry.
By reading price, you will NOT perform like a pro, but you will perform competently and turn in a profit on any kind of liquid market, no previous knowledge at all is required.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
182
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:34:00 -
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so that's why you're investing in a bunch of MD bonds, right? because your voodoo is working out so well for you? |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
295
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: That's one of the beautiful features of price reading: you don't need to have an awesome knowledge of your market, who are the big guys to add to the contact list or to follow 0.0 politics and patch notes. Of course if you have such awesome knowledge you WILL perform like a pro. Notice the have, not the "you believe you have", which instantly makes you a small fry to suck dry.
please post, in detail, the parts of your analysis that are falisified by discovering "oh that was just the price bouncing off an artificial cap and busting through it once that cap was removed" |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
295
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Posted - 2012.04.23 15:37:00 -
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as you can see by this graph here, the presence of ******* has caused a dramatic hardening of the prices, which is expected to lead to rapid price erection
as always, the rapid price erection will be followed by a profit-taking ejaculation of isk from the market, which will cause the prices to soften and the price erection to deflate
subsequently, a baby market is born |

clonkrieger
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
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Posted - 2012.04.23 16:04:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:as you can see by this graph here, the presence of ******* has caused a dramatic hardening of the prices, which is expected to lead to rapid price erection
as always, the rapid price erection will be followed by a profit-taking ejaculation of isk from the market, which will cause the prices to soften and the price erection to deflate
subsequently, a baby market is born
I'll be offloading what I've stockpiled very soon ;D |

lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:09:00 -
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corestwo wrote:lafforet wrote:The graph shows nicely done manipulation with nocxium. It does not show, however, that price decreases before the price jumps were made deliberately by placing large stockpiles at lower prices so that other people sell their nocxium out. Interesting is that some made huge stockpiles expecting that a miracle will happen on 24th and prices will jump much higher. However, nocxium stockpiles are huge and they can last for a long, long time. So I expect some of these people unloading their stockpile right after 24th and crashing nocxium prices for a long time. After all summer is coming with lower mineral prices as usual.  You're an idiot, and are in for a surprise.
I would feel bad if I were appreciated by goons. I wonder what is goon's interest in this if suddenly several of their trash posters appear in this thread?  |

lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
12
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:No. The Price was being held down by the Pax Amaria.
On April 3, the Pax Amarria was changed to refine to Trit instead of Nocx.
Feel free to Google.
Feel free to find out when temporarily Pax Amaria was removed from the market before it was changed to tritanium. |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
297
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:21:00 -
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lafforet wrote:I would feel bad if I were appreciated by goons. I wonder what is goon's interest in this if suddenly several of their trash posters appear in this thread?  you should always feel bad if you're posting that crap it was horrid analysis made better only by comparison to VVs |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
183
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Posted - 2012.04.23 18:26:00 -
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lafforet wrote:corestwo wrote:lafforet wrote:The graph shows nicely done manipulation with nocxium. It does not show, however, that price decreases before the price jumps were made deliberately by placing large stockpiles at lower prices so that other people sell their nocxium out. Interesting is that some made huge stockpiles expecting that a miracle will happen on 24th and prices will jump much higher. However, nocxium stockpiles are huge and they can last for a long, long time. So I expect some of these people unloading their stockpile right after 24th and crashing nocxium prices for a long time. After all summer is coming with lower mineral prices as usual.  You're an idiot, and are in for a surprise. I would feel bad if I were appreciated by goons. I wonder what is goon's interest in this if suddenly several of their trash posters appear in this thread? 
our interest is finding idiot posters and calling them out for what they are |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:48:00 -
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i repeat please explain what parts of your "scientific analysis" were falsified by discovering pax amarria and how it actually impacted the prices
after all this is "scientific analysis" is it not |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:51:00 -
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Off topic, trolling and spam posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
637
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:55:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:i repeat please explain what parts of your "scientific analysis" were falsified by discovering pax amarria and how it actually impacted the prices
after all this is "scientific analysis" is it not
Look better, there's a monthly resistance that is not there because of random. It's a bit shifted compared to the pure reprocess price because monthly bars (where monthly lines are drawn) are a composition result of lower time frames, their bodies tend to encase the maximum peaks of the lower time frames bars.
Edit:
Look at the weekly graph.
Look at the weekly price level 535.39. The price level, placed "at eye glance" is 0.39 different than the reprocess value.
Since I did not recall about PAX Amarria (doing a dozen of analyses on request, I get crazy), the price reading method did the finding for me. How cool, eh? Somebody could have returned to EvE yesterday, not know about PAX Amarria at all yet he'd find price did something right there.
I repeat it again, price discounts the reasons why it's at its level both in the past and in the present. The reasons why is here or there do not matter. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:05:00 -
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"i was unable to tell that a hard cap on price was different from an ordinary peak, look at how effective my method is" |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
303
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:08:00 -
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basically your method is so horribly flawed it can't pick up on one of the simplest, obvious, and important things that can occur to an eve item, a hard cap, while being able to look, think critically, and use the time you would instead be prancing naked around an altar looking for patterns in the smoke to go "hrmm the price bounces off this precise number repeatedly, despite the fact it should be above this: i wonder where the reprocessing bug is" |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
637
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:09:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:"i was unable to tell that a hard cap on price was different from an ordinary peak, look at how effective my method is"
Price levels are set on the body of the candle bars that form the swings. By definition of swing, they coincide with peaks so they catch peaks.
I don't know how hard is for you to understand it, the reason why price won't go above 535 is IRRELEVANT, the fact that it does not go above 535 is. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Mookie Quantico
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:10:00 -
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ONOES... the good ship NOCXIUM might sink... women and carebears into the (life)pods ! ! ! ! 
Mook
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
303
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:12:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:"i was unable to tell that a hard cap on price was different from an ordinary peak, look at how effective my method is" Price levels are set on the body of the candle bars that form the swings. By definition of swing, they coincide with peaks so they catch peaks. I don't know how hard is for you to understand it, the reason why price won't go above 535 is IRRELEVANT, the fact that it does not go above 535 is. this is meaningless gibberish used to try and obscure your lack of knowledge
that it did not go above 535 is completely different than it could not and you're trying to filibuster the argument when confronted with the stark reality your method is junk |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
637
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:13:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:basically your method is so horribly flawed it can't pick up on one of the simplest, obvious, and important things that can occur to an eve item, a hard cap, while being able to look, think critically, and use the time you would instead be prancing naked around an altar looking for patterns in the smoke to go "hrmm the price bounces off this precise number repeatedly, despite the fact it should be above this: i wonder where the reprocessing bug is"
Why should a trader be interested about why an item does not obey YOUR hype? Your hype is the entrails reading, not my resistance level that just tells me price stays boxed below 535. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
185
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:21:00 -
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you, using only ta:
"oh look nocx has a very high demand causing it to repeatedly test a ceiling, i know the demand is high because it keeps testing this and doesn't turn down, yet it never goes over this very rigid point. oh well, there's no buy indicators, i guess i'll move on."
anyone else looking at the market: "huh, nocx obviously has high demand but has never gone more than 5-10% over an obviously rigid ceiling. im going to go find the item so i can profit on it!" |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
303
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: A technical trader does not care about the specific market itself, just about its parameters. He does not need to even try and find WHY something is like it is, it's just redundant waste of time.
let us just glory in the fact that you're discussing a case where your method failed spectacularly, while mine allowed me to double my money risk-free over a few days, and your ability to evaluate your methods is so broken you think it was a success for you |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
185
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:22:00 -
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ps if your vaunted ta is such a good technique, why are you investing in md bonds? i mean really. |
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