"Downtime will begin at 12:00 UTC and is expected to be completed at 12:00 UTC."

Still no word on if the alloys will disappear or not, from player inventories.

NPC's will always aggress you when you warp into their aggression range.

Looking forward to it. BTW the sisi build seems to have a higher FPS, but did not see anything in the patch notes about that... Was something done?

From patchnotes:

It is unclear how this aggression change works exactly. Does it means there will be full aggro in Worlds Collide last pocket (because you probably warp in ship aggression radius) and similar missions?
Clarification needed

The brackets of spawn containers (for hacking containers in mini profession sites) are now being grayed out after being viewed to make it easier to know which containers are not hacked yet.

Still no word on if the alloys will disappear or not, from player inventories.

Still no word on if the alloys will disappear or not, from player inventories.

The Jukebox will no longer create a duplicate icon on the Neocom when it has been collapsed.

Security status gains from NPC kills should once again be awarded to every player involved.

They're still supposed to be dropping from Drone missions. There's no reason to completely remove them.

This is unclear :

GÇóXL turrets have had their signature resolution set to 2000m.
GÇóCapital Turrets that are fitted to titans now have a new damage-scaling attribute; targets with a signature radius smaller than this size will take reduced damage from these turrets. This does not apply to dreadnaughts.

Right now, dreadnoughts have XL turrets, and those turrets already have a damage-scaling attribute, everything with a sig radius under 1000m ( their current sig resolution ) taking a reduced damage.

Bottom line, will this modification affect the turrets fitted on dreadnoughts or not ?

This is unclear :

GÇóXL turrets have had their signature resolution set to 2000m.
GÇóCapital Turrets that are fitted to titans now have a new damage-scaling attribute; targets with a signature radius smaller than this size will take reduced damage from these turrets. This does not apply to dreadnaughts.

Right now, dreadnoughts have XL turrets, and those turrets already have a damage-scaling attribute, everything with a sig radius under 1000m ( their current sig resolution ) taking a reduced damage.

Bottom line, will this modification affect the turrets fitted on dreadnoughts or not ?

Sig resolution doesn't affect damage, it only affects tracking. The sig resolution changes will affect dreadnaughts (but there's no difference in siege because of the tracking penalty removal); the damage scaling won't.

like how you ask this question and it actually states "This does not apply to dreadnaughts."

still needs clarification on drone alloys that have already dropped and are in hangars etc.

- after DT, will these still appear in hangars if there already before DT?

- will these still repro into the relevent minerals?

edit: seems it mght be in a blog, off for a look.

Actually, according to this formula, it is an independent parameter
http://wiki.eve-id.net/Tracking
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage
""Turret Signature Resolution" is a number qualifying the originally intended target size (in meters) of your gun turret. The smaller the number, the better your chance to hit will be. "


So how is this formula transformed for siege mode ?

Hand-on testing : trying to hit with a dread ( naglfar ) a battleship ( apoc ) orbiting at 20km . After boosting and using the right ammo, the tracking speed of dread's turrets is 0.0063806 rad/sec, while the overview window shows only 0.0058207 rad/sec ( LOWER ) for the target battleship. The optimal range is 56.247 km and accuracy falloff 133.52 km. Out of over 50 shots, NOT EVEN ONE landed on target - all missed. And this before the patch. Obviously the perfect tracking speed boost is nothing to compensate for the signature radius versus signature resolution parameter. And this before the patch.

The sig/sig ratio is multiplied by the transversal/tracking*range ratio. Halving the tracking doubles the size of the second ratio, and doubling the size of the second ratio is the same as doubling the size of the first ratio. Halving tracking speed is the same as doubling sig resolution. Honestly it's completely redundant mathematically to have both terms as they're both static authored values that have the same mechanical effect, but there are benefits for the "readability" of the balance work to having both.

I agree to that, but right now the dreads are hardly effective against battleships ( requiring 3-4 target painters to actually hit them ). With the new change, they will be completely useless. Usually in eve every ship is efficient against ships the same size or one size smaller. What will the dreads be good for ?

Dread tracking in siege is not being changed at all. Titan Tracking is being nerfed. So Dreads are in a relative boost. It isn't that hard to read and figure out :)

Tracking and sig resolution are different parameters. That's why i asked how that corumla changes for the siege on dreads.

BTW and are dreads only used in siege mode ?

with their silly 1000- or so dps when not in siegue mode... uh yes?

so extended downtime for nothing ?!

CCP - Y U NO MAKE PROPER PATCH

They're still supposed to be dropping from Drone missions. There's no reason to completely remove them.

The sig/sig ratio is multiplied by the transversal/tracking*range ratio.

If you're not following the other thread, The Capital changes just boosted dreads performance vs sub capitals, and provided virtually no change to titans vs BS/BC platforms. Guess it wasn't "Capital Ships Online" enough already.

If you read the patch notes you will see that they also changed the formula for titans so that ships with a lower sig radius than the gun's resolution take less damage. AKA: the perma MWD drakefleets with the sig radius of a fleet of carriers are still ******.

I agree to that, but right now the dreads are hardly effective against battleships ( requiring 3-4 target painters to actually hit them ). With the new change, they will be completely useless. Usually in eve every ship is efficient against ships the same size or one size smaller. What will the dreads be good for ?

Modules are sorted on the market by decreasing metalevel. So when you scroll down you should see increasingly more awesome modules.

The overview is now sorted correctly directly after undocking.

It seems to me that the modules should be sorted by increasing metalevel. This way, more commonly used modules (T2) are more readily available near the top of the list rather than requiring that you scroll past various numbers of officer, deadspace, faction, and storyline modules that may or may not exist for that type.

Uh, I'm confused.

The patch notes say decreasing metalevel, but the words say increasing.
Your counter flips both.
I want the list in increasing order where metalevel 0 is first such that the theoretical cheapest and least powerful is listed first.

* Hints that only repeated the original text in the scroll entry have been removed.

I agree to that, but right now the dreads are hardly effective against battleships ( requiring 3-4 target painters to actually hit them ). With the new change, they will be completely useless. Usually in eve every ship is efficient against ships the same size or one size smaller. What will the dreads be good for ?

Nothing's being done to the alloys, they just won't be dropping any more. We're not deleting anything this time. Well, I might have removed the odd illicitly obtained item or two.

Nice patch with some much needed tweaks, but when does the expansion come out? When can we expect new ships and POS's? Or the lowsec/FW revamp?

I predict a lot of happiness with a side of rage over the fading in the overview columns. I still don't like how those were dealt with. If you want to help the overview, then give me more tabs!

I love the rest though, looks set to be another great expansion.

Uh, I'm confused.

The patch notes say decreasing metalevel, but the words say increasing.
Your counter flips both.
I want the list in increasing order where metalevel 0 is first such that the theoretical cheapest and least powerful is listed first.

the REAL carebears in Eve are the ***** ass high sec gankers that go around picking on people that have absoultely NO WAY AT ALL of defending or being in a competitive fight.

instead of balancing and forcing these little **tches to fight in fair matches, your making changes to allow them to pick on people that cannot defend themselves even MORE SO, quite often resulting in many new players leaving the game becuase they never get a chance to be competitive, and so just dont bother with it.

really got to wonder how they manage to increase sub numbers every year.....the stupiditiy is just amazing

Well done CCP, well done to you. I dont know how many magicians you employ, but the fact your sub numbers keep rising is honestly, genuinely, fascinating.

Ah, yes, you're right I hadn't noticed that either. I just saw "decreasing" and thought they were putting officer modules at the top.

I think everyone wants crappy modules at the top and awesome ones at the bottom. Let's go with that.

Nothing's being done to the alloys, they just won't be dropping any more. We're not deleting anything.

Does anyone find that normal rats have bounty+drops while drones have only bounty and no drops is unbalanced?

we're all gonna have to have jita alts now cos you won't know the value of your faction loot drop from a rat since..........nobody sells that stuff on market in Delve, Fade, Pure Blind etc.

way to ruin the market even more. now faction mod sellers get to play the stupid 0.01 isk game as well.

Loot Table Changes Show Some Industrialist Love

n++NPC ships will no longer drop manufacturable T1 loot. NPCs will continue to drop modules, however T1 items which have a blueprint will no longer drop, making player manufacturing the primary source for these items.

how is this industrial love ? who uses t1 meta 0 for anything but melting down for minerals ? how about damaged mods that the npcs were using.

i didnt see anything in the patch notes about racial BCS? wtf? you guys are jacking with my training queue? are we gonna do this or not?

t3 booster nerf could change the motivation for a solo dual box player to boost up leadership skills and prevent an uncessary remap to the obscure c/w attribs.

Racial BCS could mean i immediately stop training and remap back to p/w to train all bcs to 5 or train command ship which imo has been a worthless skill up to this point since the t3 boosters are superior and should remain that way since they cost a shitload more are more fragile etc...

Fragile t3? I guess if you honor tank it maybe. T3 boosters is a blasphemy to command ships.

WTF
they do everything but ship balancing
altough thats what players wont

thats right genius, a t3 booster has no tank....ie fragile.

why do they have no tank (apparently you dont know) because in the mid slots they are bogged down with command processors and in the low slots they use cpu mods.

yes they are very fragile. very expensive and are tech 3.

they are also helpless in the sense they have no offensive capabilities.

Well, from my point of view its not of sense flying something thats bigger than a cruiser sized vessel. :) But at least the changes wont hit my market nor my ships tremendously, and from what ive seen i will benefit only, so no reason for complaining.

Just bad for all the cap pilots & wormhole corps, pretty good for hisec miners and mission runners.

Cheers

Hello...
Windows 8: "Unable to apply patch"
do you have a solution?

So using all your slots for boosting makes it a awesome fit? Just because of the unfixed Off grid boosting ...

You mean that stabbers going for 10mil a pop isnt a tremendously change ?



Totally wrong tbh, all meta 0 loot has been removed hitting everyone that used that to produce the odd 1 or 2 ships/modules from it they needed, cause mining sucks from there point of view
All high-sec miners will only be targets for the gankers, don't see why this would be good tbh, and all mission runners that had some extra income from having friends with skills reprocessing meta 0/1/2/3 items are now screwed cause meta 0 has been removed witch was a huge portion of the income needed to produce ships/modules, again cause they find mining iether boring or useless

Me thinks you missed the whole point, and that's just a few things you got wrong in that post.

Some people were wondering if wormhole corps would escape the nerf bat.

Well, now we know they won't.
In C5's and C6's you need to warp in cap ships to trigger the 4 different additional spawns of really tough, but lucrative Sleeper BS's.

People would use a mix of dreads and carriers.
With the doubling to 2000 on the sig radius, you can forget about a dread hitting a Sleeper BS.

Way to go CCP. You are really intent on removing every method of generating ISK in the game it seems.
Of course, except in null sec.

Looking forward to MORE inflation.
Guess no one told CCP that bounties create ISK, and mineral drops do not.
Do you think all those people in drone regions are just going to completely abandon their territory, and that all mission runners are going to skip all drone missions?

The way I look at it, you have likely nerfed about 4 trillion (out the orginal 9 trillion) from the Incursion ISK flow.
You have also nerfed out a goodly portion of ISK from wormholes (less Sleeper BS's dying = less stuff being cashed in with NPC buyers).
But you have given even more back with drone bounties versus mineral drops.

Really, a brilliant play CCP. More ISK in game chasing fewer minerals. Absolutely brilliant.

Loot Table Changes Show Some Industrialist Love

n++NPC ships will no longer drop manufacturable T1 loot. NPCs will continue to drop modules, however T1 items which have a blueprint will no longer drop, making player manufacturing the primary source for these items.

how is this industrial love ? who uses t1 meta 0 for anything but melting down for minerals ? how about damaged mods that the npcs were using.

later in the year