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Martha Lightyear	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:43:00 - [1] I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit?
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:45:00 - [2] I like where this thread is going. CCP Fixes exploits they define so. Your posting, IE. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:46:00 - [3] Quote: When is CCP fixing this exploit? Never.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:46:00 - [4] Its not an exploit, stop making yourself a target.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? ( ) Troll ( ) Player doesn't 'get' EVE Making it easy for posters below me, check what box you believe fits the OP.
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:47:00 - [6] Don't go to hi-sec if you can't handle it.
Leiara Knight Gallente The Oblivion Guard	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:48:00 - [7] Think of Eve like a giant pub. You can do whatever you like, but you still might end up in a fight regardless.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Misanth ( ) Troll (X) Player doesn't 'get' EVE Making it easy for posters below me, check what box you believe fits the OP.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:49:00 - [9] If you don't want to be hunted, don't play the game. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? how to fix hi-sec grieffers? you grief them back. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.

Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Misanth ( ) Troll (X) Player doesn't 'get' EVE Making it easy for posters below me, check what box you believe fits the OP. You have an awsome name/corp-name miss. Too bad it gets nerfed with the next expansion. But +rep for it right now.
motomysz No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.15 15:57:00 - [12] Unfortunately for the griefers, there's an exploit you can take advantage of as well. You can make friends and actually GANG UP on the griefers, making it a completely unfair fight. I have heard CCP won't interfere, or punish you at all (even though it's TOTALLY unfair).
Ashley Sky The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:11:00 - [13] I feel the exact opposite. If I was CCP, I would provide more opportunities for griefing. It would make this game much more interesting. Villainy and griefing give this game a much needed storyline. Without a story, this game is just repetitive mission running and mining. That's something for savants, or obsessive compulsive nerds with autism or Aspergers syndrome, which I think this game actually has too many of. Howbout put away your pocket protectors, spreadsheets, and calculators for a minute and do something you could write about. That's what makes this game truly shine.
Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:14:00 - [14] Your stuff. Can I has please?
Lucas Tigh East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:19:00 - [15] Three punctuation marks after a topic is both superfluous and plain stupid!!! It makes you look like something of a noob...does anyone agree???
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:24:00 - [16] Everyone knows the best way to stop griefers from bothering you is to draw as much attention to yourself as possible, while showing that the griefing is working.
J'i Ta	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:27:00 - [17]
charming wanderer	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:38:00 - [18] 1 man corps with pos's in hisec deserve what they get.
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.15 16:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Martha Lightyear How to get rid of hi-sec griefers???? Stop being complete and utter fail? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:03:00 - [20] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 15/02/2009 17:03:53 Q: How to get rid of hi-sec griefers???? A: You release Darkfall. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute

Illwill Bill Svea Rike INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Martha Lightyear They should always be mutual and consensual You're doing it wrong. Originally by: CCP Zulupark WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
Tractormech Caldari Fortune's Fools Sherwood Forest	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:08:00 - [22] Carebears caused the current situation. You only have yourselves to blame. You whined and whined for pirates to loose sec faster. So CCP did, now since the sec hit is so harsh, most pirates have moved to empire war corps.
Edouard Creeslar	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:12:00 - [23] CCP is going to have to address this soon becuase when the boxed edition releases they will see an influx of new players and if the griefers continue they will lose a lot of the base they will hope to build.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Jowen Datloran Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 15/02/2009 17:03:53 Q: How to get rid of hi-sec griefers???? A: You release Darkfall. Never gonna happen.
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Edouard Creeslar CCP is going to have to address this soon becuase when the boxed edition releases they will see an influx of new players and if the griefers continue they will lose a lot of the base they will hope to build. When eve gets to cuddly CCP will loose old players. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:33:00 - [26] Trollpost. Wars are good, as they allow you to express your objection to someone else's actions, and actually do something meaningful about it. NPC corps are the exploit, as they allow you to opt out of this key mechanic. -- 249km locking?
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Martha Lightyear How to get rid of hi-sec griefers???? Stop being complete and utter fail? Quoting for truth. Smart people do not get griefed.
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.15 17:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Edouard Creeslar CCP is going to have to address this soon becuase when the boxed edition releases they will see an influx of new players and if the griefers continue they will lose a lot of the base they will hope to build. Player Influx is not Carebear Influx. Learn that, and you'll notice not everyone likes to stare at a screen fighting against a computer. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101
Hubris O'Brien	Posted - 2009.02.15 18:21:00 - [29] 50 Mil isk to any man who can identify this guy's main with proof.
Spurty Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.15 18:24:00 - [30] Join privateers, grief em back with lots of friends or just keep on changing corps. There are sooo many ways around war decs, it's foolish to be upset by them. You could also, just join the goonies and live in 0.0 mostly unmolested BrRAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiNNNNNNZzzzzzzzzzzz

Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.15 18:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Martha Lightyear Wars should ... always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. When is CCP fixing this exploit? I don't think you "get" war.
V1RION Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.15 18:58:00 - [32] funny
Myra2007 Shafrak Industries	Posted - 2009.02.15 19:04:00 - [33] Edited by: Myra2007 on 15/02/2009 19:04:54 Originally by: Misanth (x) Troll ( ) Player doesn't 'get' EVE Making it easy for posters below me, check what box you believe fits the OP. A really bad one too. (To add some content.) Edit: Thinking about it it did work out quite well. So replace bad with lazy. -- Originally by: kublai on Ankhesentapemkah That said, the "i'm a girl who plays your computer game and i'm not that ugly" has always been a certain winner in the mmo world
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.02.15 19:24:00 - [34] I think that the best way to get rid of high-sec griefers would to remove highsec.
Gunzoid Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.15 19:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? ( ) Troll (X) Player doesn't 'get' EVE Making it easy for posters below me, check what box you believe fits the OP.
Verx Interis Amarr Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.02.15 19:54:00 - [36] It is not an exploit. Dead horse is dead. ---- Logins required for this post: 142294
Arthalion Thoidon Caldari Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2009.02.15 19:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Gypsio III I think that the best way to get rid of high-sec griefers would to remove highsec. If they were to do this you it would be like millions of voices screaming out in terror and being silenced forever. Followed by a lot of 'your stuff can I haz' post on OOPE. Actually I think it's the only way to stop high sec 'griefing'. And that's coming from a 'carebear'.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.02.15 19:59:00 - [38] Originally by: Gypsio III I think that the best way to get rid of high-sec griefers would to remove highsec. I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your journal.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.15 20:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Verx Interis It is not an exploit. Dead horse is dead. It's now a zombie horse. Sig is now EVE related. Happy mods?
Verx Interis Amarr Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.02.15 20:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Gypsio III I think that the best way to get rid of high-sec griefers would to remove highsec. I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your journal. I would also like to submit a request to your journal subscription. ---- Logins required for this post: 937513

Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2009.02.15 21:16:00 - [41] Write the griefers nice letters. Seriously. They are just expressing their desire for a little one on one love. Thing is though, they aren't relating to the world on the same wave length as you, so you are going to have to speak their language. So write things like: "I hate you!" = which translates in griefer-speak to = "I really like you!" Or maybe: "You are a giant ****head" = in griefer speak means = "You have a nice complexion. Could I buy you a coffee?" Or there's always: "This game is full or rampant sociopaths! I hope your house gets attacked by a walrus in heat and your wireless modem is sexually abused into submission!" = which of course actually means = "You are most likely the coolest person I have ever met on the interwebs. Lets meet and make lots of babies!" But if you can't be bothered with all the lingo translation, you could always get a bunch of your mates together in griffons and jam the "griefers". They really like that. It's like a big, spacey, sci-fi, group hug. What could be better than expressing your admiration in T1 frigs? They are like the Hallmark cards of Eve. And quite a sensible purchase in these tough economic times. ---- ≡v≡
Miss Uylear Caldari The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre	Posted - 2009.02.15 21:17:00 - [42] I agree. Nice EVE sig
Da Jiling	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:05:00 - [43] Grief them back.... Nothing better than to bait them and hear the screams of 'omg you ***' in local after you take all that delicous T2 loot from their rifters
Gin G Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? do us a favor be quiet
Johli Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:29:00 - [45] In space, nobody can hear you whine.
Squably Minmatar Invenio Inceptum	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:34:00 - [46] stay docked for a week? get a bigger corp? Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
rubico1337 Caldari nefarious badgers inc	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Hubris O'Brien 50 Mil isk to any man who can identify this guy's main with proof. ill add another 50 to that. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES and use your heavy nos cause it drain their cap then u click the jhammer and dampenener
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Misanth (X) Troll ( ) Player doesn't 'get' EVE QFP. Now then, in that vein... LOLOLOLOLOLLERSKAETZ U SUK U PTHETIC NUB GOBAK2WOW U GHEY LITTEL BEEYOTCH N PLAE HELO KITY ONLEIN LULZORCOPTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111110987654321blaztoffinmapwnmobeelshipz* Ahem. We now return you to your regularly scheduled failtroll thread, already in progress.
Necrosmith Gallente Chunder Corp	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:02:00 - [49] Griefers are part of doing business. If you can't handle it, this game isn't for you. ---- For those of you who claim to support the troops and oppose national health care, I have a question. Why do you insist on punishing our veterans with free health care?
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? wars should be consensual hahahahahahahahahahahaha oh pls, when has war ever been like that ? I declare war on X, X says "oh noes I don't want to", I says "oh ok sorry then". Whilst I agree that changes need to be made to make hisec wars about territory/resources not easy kills, those changes should be making it MUCH harder to make isk in hisec to encourage conflict over depleted isk making sources. The war mechanic works fine as it is. well mannered ah*

Barua	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:28:00 - [51] Funny fact: Most corps who use wardec's as a griefing tool are rather cowardly and often retract and retreat when their target(s) stand up to them. Our corp was recently wardec'ed by a merc corp. Though I won't name them, they did put up a big PR stink. They claimed to be the top of the top elite merc corps who are PvP hardcore. Over 100 active members with strong pilot skills. The finest in the business. But we stood up to them, and though our win/loss ratio wasn't good, they still retracted and retreated. Why? Most of their PvP campaign was fear based. The sabre rattling, mail threats, beating of the chests, and the front they put on was all for show and intimidation. At heart they were cowards who shy away from a fight.
cheet sheet	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:05:00 - [52] You sir lie
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Gypsio III I think that the best way to get rid of high-sec griefers would to remove highsec. Good idea.
Lee Dalton Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:12:00 - [54] Try shooting back. Or fit WCS/Istabs/pplay docking games. It's your fault you're getting griefed. Lrn2eve.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:24:00 - [55] I can't think of a good reason to why the game shouldn't be enjoyable for those who don't wish to be targeted for PvP. Nor can I really think of any reason that justifies people being able to grief other corporations in highsec, neither from a fluff standpoint or gamewise. At the moment however high sec is far too lucrative and as such I believe there is a need for griefing, people like the OP just need to adapt and be smart about it. What I'd rather see would be a big nerf to highsec mission and mining content and a boost to low and null-sec ores and rats. Along with this I'd also like to nerf the profit from moon mining, in order to make the net gain from 0.0 activities no greater than what it currently is. Nerf suicide ganking further, move wars down to low and null-sec, breath life back into 0.4-0.1 systems but make those who don't want take any risk and stay in highsec suffer for it.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:26:00 - [56] Quote: I think that the best way to get rid of high-sec griefers would to remove highsec. Indeed, this is the simplest solution to the problem. Make it so CCP! --- Originally by: 7shining7one7 no.. you're f'ing insane.
Sebea Bottomfeeders Science and Research	Posted - 2009.02.16 02:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? Hi, this is eve, welcome to our PVP game. You will be exposed to player vs player interaction at almost every turn, through market trading, resource gathering, territorial disputes, and well, frankly, because you might look fun to kill. Please keep all hands and feet inside the vehicle and enjoy your ride.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.16 02:32:00 - [58] wardeck em back, kick some ass seabass!
Wynona Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.16 04:56:00 - [59] Originally by: Martha Lightyear * be a tool* In all that crap you wrote, I actually found something I can agree with. Smooches, Wyn
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.02.16 06:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? I hate griefers and I'd never inflict it on anyone, but its part of this wonderful game, a game that contains more metagaming than any before. Where strength isn't just limited to instanced PvP, raid running prowess, or some artificial realm mechanic, but auctually dictates the map, PvE, and your ability to even play teh game. You can't hang with that, join a bigger group of d1ckheads so shield yourself or leave. ----------------- Friends Forever

Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.02.16 06:39:00 - [61] Originally by: James Lyrus NPC corps are ghey and lame cos they let people avoid griefing by me when my e-peen gets laughed at. There, I fix it for u. Is moar akkurat nao. On a more serious note, Welcome to EvE. No one gets it all their way. NPC corps can't erect POS, Mission Runners have Ninja Salvagers to contend with, losec players have Gatecamps and blobs, nullsec Ceasars have to deal with e-drama and espionage. Once again, nice how people are all for that sandbox style gameplay...right up until they encounter someone in the sandbox they don't like and open a whine and cheese shop.
Ralle030583 Eve Service Corp	Posted - 2009.02.16 07:48:00 - [62] Edited by: Ralle030583 on 16/02/2009 07:48:25 Originally by: Misanth ( ) Troll ( ) Player doesn't 'get' EVE Making it easy for posters below me, check what box you believe fits the OP. (X) Troll
Kopkiller	Posted - 2009.02.16 08:56:00 - [63] Edited by: Kopkiller on 16/02/2009 08:56:30 It's the law of the street men, i'm sure "predator and prey" means something. Also, quoted this cause i find it to be really funny: Originally by: Martha Lightyear I declare war on X, X says "oh noes I don't want to", I says "oh ok sorry then".
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.02.16 09:39:00 - [64] Originally by: Barua Funny fact: Most corps who use wardec's as a griefing tool are rather cowardly and often retract and retreat when their target(s) stand up to them. Our corp was recently wardec'ed by a merc corp. Though I won't name them, they did put up a big PR stink. They claimed to be the top of the top elite merc corps who are PvP hardcore. Over 100 active members with strong pilot skills. The finest in the business. But we stood up to them, and though our win/loss ratio wasn't good, they still retracted and retreated. Why? Most of their PvP campaign was fear based. The sabre rattling, mail threats, beating of the chests, and the front they put on was all for show and intimidation. At heart they were cowards who shy away from a fight. I have to say that I have found this too. It also appears to be the case that they are usually the loudest smack talkers in local. The latest one I have been involved with has my corp having lost roughly the same number of ships as our enemy, despite their so-called 'eliteness'. At one point, there were 5 of them camping one of our guys in a station, and they were smack-talking in local, giving it a lot of verbal about how our guy was too afraid to fight. Within an hour, we had their guys camped in a station in the same system, and they were then smack-talking in local about how we were afraid to take them on in a fair fight. They might think that smack-talking is some kind of chest-beating mechanic, but I think it has shown that they are getting increasingly frustrated, especially now we are more consistently camping them in stations, preventing them from playing. As long as you don't respond with an emorage, smack talking becomes a liability rather than an asset, and you can tell a lot about their current state of mind from what they say. I have participated in a number of wars, and this is fairly typical. The last one I was involved in, the aggressor corp eventually started losing members, going from around 300, to around 100. Then they retracted the wardec, having lost much of their powerbase. A lot of corps declare war thinking that it will be easy to dominate others, assuming that the majority of players are 'carebears' and therefore easily conquerable. However, they often find themselves overwelmed once the victim corp starts getting organised and fighting back. If you haven't got enough people in your corp, then elicit help from others. You'll be surprised how often people will jump at the chance to kill them. Usually, if they have griefed you, then they have griefed other players or corps in the area (this is where belonging to a militia becomes useful, as this fosters a greater sense of community, and allows for greater communication across a greater population). The greatest asset anyone has in this game is their friends and corpmates. If you all look out for each other, then it doesn't give the griefers much room to maneouvre.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? ( ) Troll (x) Player doesn't 'get' EVE Making it easy for posters below me, check what box you believe fits the OP. --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:27:00 - [66] kill them IRL?
Takon Orlani Caldari Rowdy Ramblers Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:30:00 - [67] Originally by: Martha Lightyear I'm sick of griefers. Tried to be in several player owned corporations but I guess it's not possible to play this game quietly unless I stay on NPC noob corp. Wars should be a tool available for corporations who had any problem, mining territory for instance. They should always be mutual and consensual, not a griefing mechanic. For that purposes there are 2 out of the 3 eve zones, these are: low sec and 0.0. When is CCP fixing this exploit? Never, its not an exploit. Go troll elsewhere.


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