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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:53:00 -
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In recent months, I have had a few experiences that have made my time with EvE quite bitter. That off-color taste was a direct result of coming into contact with what is essentially the STD of New Eden... Goons.
For one, I have a contact who was defrauded by Goons as a result of being contacted from within RECRUITMENT chat. At the time, the MOTD in the channel specifically stated that using to channel to scam was NOT ALLOWED.
The player appealed, including the fact that the channel prohibits use of the channel for such things, and his loss of ISK but was flatly denied. Ironically, the MOTD changed the very next day and was sans the scam prohibition, only now WARNING against scams. CCP continued to LIE and claim that the MOTD had changed a month before the incident, which is still a complete LIE.
Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
This incident, in addition to anti-playerbase events such as 'Burn Jita' (trit was less after then it was before.. LOL!!), the sponsorship and basically now ownership of Hulkageddon, the custody of virtually every tech moon, every change in game benefiting Goons more than any other group, a flaky 30-day suspension for virtually laughing away a human being's life, joke or not.... and so on and so forth.
I had come to my own personal conclusion that CCP and Goons have a deep, close relationship. Was I crazy or just looking for an answer that I could live with? Come to find out, one of CCP's most active and out front employees representing EvE, CCP Soundwave, was a Goon director, even presenting for the alliance at FanFest : See it here. Ya like that little sickness you are feeling knowing that their frontman is a f*cking Goon at heart?
Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game.
There is just too much B*LLSHIT Goons get away with that would not be tolerated by any other group not friendly to them. I have to believe that there are countless more CCP employees in Goon corps and blues.
These close relationships create a most unfair and unbalanced situation. Knowing beforehand changes that players are not aware of, being able to reposition and strategize before the rest of the playerbase is aware is absolutely UNETHICAL |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:54:00 -
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Goons are generally 100% accurate when it comes to making good decisions for game balance. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
668
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:54:00 -
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They hardly play it anyway, why bother? CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
51
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:55:00 -
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tl;dr
Quote:CCP employees must be removed from the game. Why? 'Cause tin foil is starting to get a bit dear?
Or because you fail at EVE? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
dkbjitawhore
Riftside Breach
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:57:00 -
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If they didn't advertise in the recruitment channel, and only convo'd you, they are following the rule to the letter.
Don't be so eager to give away your isk/stuff. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:57:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Goons are generally 100% accurate when it comes to making good decisions for game balance.
Yes, and we should let the inmates run the asylum too, right? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
408
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:58:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Goons are generally 100% accurate when it comes to making good decisions for game balance. Yes, and we should let the inmates run the asylum too, right?
It worked for Australia. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Bane Necran
468
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:58:00 -
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I think it would be fine as long as they were stuck in NPC corps.
The problem is they always seem to end up in the big 0.0 alliances, and history is rife with examples of why that's bad for the game.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6442
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:03:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase. Oh, that's a simple one: because they purposefully designed the game specifically to allow for that.
Quote:Given the knowledge, information and other abilities that ANY CCP employee has at their fingertips, it would be prudent, fair and HONEST to prohibit CCP employees from participating in the game. No, that would be horrid, because that would mean the devs have no idea about the issues that exist with their own game. We've seen on a number of occasions that as devs are more and more disconnected for the game, they make increasingly worse design decisions, and that some of the best game changes come from the devs encountering and experiencing first-hand some issue that has been annoying everyone for ages.
If you have problems with any one dev or player, send a petition to Internal Affairs and have them look at it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
93
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:07:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote: Doing further research on Goons and their nefarious activities, it is hard to understand how a company, CCP, can allow a group of players to wreck such havoc on the entirety of the playerbase.
Dude, its a sandbox, don't build sandcastles if you can't keep the kid with ass-burgers from tripping and falling on it. |
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:08:00 -
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Recruitment bit:
MOTD seemed to have changed between Feb. 22nd and Feb. 28th:
From the 22nd:
Channel ID: 24 Channel Name: Recruitment Listener: Siigari Kitawa Session started: 2012.02.22 11:38:57
n++[ 2012.02.22 11:38:57 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.
From the 28th:
Channel Name: Recruitment Listener: Jocelyn Kitawa Session started: 2012.02.28 12:19:17
n++[ 2012.02.28 12:19:17 ] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.Posting scams is not allowed in this channel. We ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and please remember that any deals made or finalized are done at your own risk and responsibility.Additional recruitment sources are the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums and the in-game recruitment tool (recruitment tab in the corporation window). Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
69
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:11:00 -
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Not sure where I stand on this topic. On one hand there's the conflict of interest, on the other hand it's hard to deny that it would be difficult for the developers to really understand the current state of game mechanics in EVE if they were not allowed to play.
I think the most essential rule has to be that any CCP employee who plays cannot reveal his or her status as a developer or GM to anyone in-game. If they adhere strictly to that code of conduct, and have some sort of preventative measures in place to discourage such disclosure, then I cannot see why they shouldn't be allowed to play?
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Oh and your whole tie-in with CCP being Goons, I'd have to ask you to present some hard evidence to prove your claim. If you cannot, the claim is at best irrelevant and at worst an irresponsible attempt to discredit CCP. Either way, nothing good will come of such accusations. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3072
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:11:00 -
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this is a pretty hilarious level of sperg over "i didn't notice the recruitment motd was changed" |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
970
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:11:00 -
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I'm mostly a hisec player with an occasional roam into low when I get my buddies online. Having said that I seriously think that hisec should quit whining and do something about it themselves. The supposed people who represent hisec players in the CSM could use their visibility to create some chaos atleast. I'm not a huge fan of the goons, but atleast they play and they have fun. If we don't like it we'd better show up or shut up. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3072
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:12:00 -
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like really that's your big evidence for massive ccp corruption, the motd in the recruitment channel was changed |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
315
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:15:00 -
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needs more exaggerations, hyperbole, and outright falsehoods to really complete with the sperglord tinfoil kings around here
you seem more dumb and uninformed than actually mentally unhinged, sorry |
Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:16:00 -
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You're kinda mad aren't you? |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
532
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:16:00 -
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Like they could legitimately police every contact derived from the recruitment channel.
Don't be an idiot. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
613
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:like really that's your big evidence for massive ccp corruption, the motd in the recruitment channel was changed I think someone didn't pass the goonwaffe recruitment requirements. Or was a spy... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:18:00 -
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Scamming is one of the methods for extracting your tears that greases the engine of the GoonSwarm Federation. |
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Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:19:00 -
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I'm spying on Goonswarm right now. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:21:00 -
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Tillin Sylph wrote:I'm spying on Goonswarm right now.
Why don't I come over this afternoon and we'll do something about that hair....... Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
613
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:21:00 -
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Tillin Sylph wrote:I'm spying on Goonswarm right now. One sec, informing the appropriate authorities. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:23:00 -
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Sometimes I spy on Alavaria Fera when she pees. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: One sec, informing the appropriate authorities.
And what are YOU staring at so hard up there ? Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:32:00 -
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If you suspect any CCP emplyoees of favoritism you should report the incident to CCP's Internal Affairs team via [email protected].
As a result of last year's company reorganization Internal Affairs is part of the Security team lead by Darius JOHNSON (aka CCP Sreegs) which will ensure that your complaints are investigated in a most neutral & objective manner. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
613
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:37:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:If you suspect any CCP emplyoees of favoritism you should report the incident to CCP's Internal Affairs team via [email protected]. As a result of last year's company reorganization Internal Affairs is part of the Security team lead by Darius JOHNSON (aka CCP Sreegs) which will ensure that your complaints are investigated in a most neutral & objective manner. So you haven't heard what the EVEO forums have to say about Darius JOHNSON Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:If you suspect any CCP emplyoees of favoritism you should report the incident to CCP's Internal Affairs team via [email protected]. As a result of last year's company reorganization Internal Affairs is part of the Security team lead by Darius JOHNSON (aka CCP Sreegs) which will ensure that your complaints are investigated in a most neutral & objective manner. So you haven't heard what the EVEO forums have to say about Darius JOHNSON no idea what they think about Darius but i know they love CCP Sreegs long time (because he's the AntiBot or something) |
Balthisus Filtch
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:48:00 -
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You have a valid concern - developers need to be independent, wield their power with responsibility and without bias.
But to limit them by not allowing them to play their own game surely is a control too war as it diminish their ability to understand the game they are trying to improve and progress.
Dev should be allowed in game - but they should never really be playing - they should be researching. Their involvement is not for fun but part of the information gathering to be good devs.
Changes to war decs, the noises about T2 production being manipulated into null sec - these things don't have clear and definite net benefit to the game as a whole and are certainly raising concerns with many, as to whether CCP have found the right balance in this area. |
Ione Hawke
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:51:00 -
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I fail to see the how you reach the conclusion that CCP Employees must be removed from game. You argue goons are bad, mkay. You argue some CCP Employees are ex-goon (no surprise there and I am sure there are employees who have played in other corps)
So how would prohibiting CCP Employees from playing stop any alleged goon favoritism? Asking CCP to fire anyone who ever played EVE would make more sense, v0v.
Anyway I dont think the game would become any better if CCP Empoyees would stop playing the game, do you?. If anything , CCP duders: start playing the game more!
Also, although I am member of an opposing nullsec alliance I love goons for the content they generate and I delight in your tears
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