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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2435
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:20:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Except the whole part where he used a web-assisted program that allowed him to perform actions faster than they can actually be performed. Kelduum knew about this, no matter how you try to spin it, the evidence is in his initial post. So is SOMER blink a botting program? EVE Poker?
Out of game services using isk, which are perfectly acceptable as they do not manipulate the client or relate to anything ingame beyond 'press butan, receive ship. You know you could find out all of this information for yourself right? For a corporation that prides itself on teaching people about the game, they seem to be doing an amazing amount of not teaching you about the game. Considering what has come to light this day, I am not surprised Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Gordian Knot Holdings
5624
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:21:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Except the whole part where he used a web-assisted program that allowed him to perform actions faster than they can actually be performed. Kelduum knew about this, no matter how you try to spin it, the evidence is in his initial post. So is SOMER blink a botting program? EVE Poker? They very largely do things much faster than what can actually be performed in game. These sort of programs are all over the place and well known. Now, I don't know what the program did or if it did anything more or less than what CCP has approved of in the past, but my impression is that the belief is that he was only using programs that performed approved actions that other programs have done already. It is clear though that it being a web application that speeds processes up isn't against the rules in itself, but that there must have been at least the appearance that something else was going on.
Totally different kettle of fish, Eve Poker and Somerblink do not directly interface with the Eve client other that to present a webpage in the IGB. They don't manipulate the client, they don't automate any player interactions and they definitely don't accelerate normal gameplay. All they do is present a player with the chance to gamble with isk and possibly win ingame assets.
If it looks like a bot, smells like a bot and acts like a bot, 99% of the time it is a bot. I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3899
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nikolai Lachance wrote: The problem is that being told it was removed because it was illegally obtained is insufficient, given the circumstances.
The isk was obtained iliegally, that is all the info we as players require. WAe have no business in knowing what activities the offender was up to. But I'm the leader of a large alliance in the game dedicated to teaching players, and I'm a member of the CSM. Clearly I'm entitled to special treatment! Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Callie Cross
Tax Code
7
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:22:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Callie Cross wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Paragraphs 4 and 5 of Kelduum's post on Eve-University forums are an implicit endorsement of botting.
-Liang
CCP ruled it botting. CCP Sreegs has come on this very thread and been quite emphatic that the guy was botting. THE GUY WAS BOTTING. And Kelduum explicitly endorses this form of it. And now that he has, so has the rest of Eve-University. And that's not even where it stops - now Kelduum has taken it upon himself to directly and intentionally cross the line of being a CSM member to "help CCP" into being a raging baby throwing a tantrum and deliberately and willfully harm CCP. -Liang
In your brain it goes like this:
CCP > Kelduum: He was botting. We took your isk. Kelduum > CCP: I know, but I want that ISK. Kelduum > World: I support botting!! WAAA!!! I WANT ISKIES WAAAAAA!!!
But that's not what is presented by Kelduum is it? Have you actually read his post?
He stated that to his knowledge no botting had occurred when he wrote the petition. So AT THE TIME OF THE PETITION he states:
Quote: "Due to the size of the transfer, I wanted to double check that the isk was all legal, and not due to some illicit activity."
So clearly he isn't thinking it was from a CCP botting ban at this time.
When he received a response from it didn't say why, and I quote again:
Quote:Eight days later, we had a response, thanking us for bringing it to CCPs attention, and explaining that due to the ISK being related to a security matter, it has been confiscated.
So again... He asks "why?".
That's not Ego Maniacal. That's not crazy. That's not entitlement. That's not him endorsing botting.
That's a simple question.
Do I think he was over emotional. Sure. Could it have been done a little less dramatically? I guess so. But if that's the case 90% of these posts, including yours are guilty of the same crime. Putting way more emotional crap ontop of simple facts. |
Corelin
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Get Off My Lawn
11
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:23:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: 3) The only authority higher than the Director of Security for these complaints is the Executive Producer and then the CEO. This is a higher level of escalation than the Customer Service arm and IA automatically looks at our work.
you don't see a potential conflict of interest in IA being part of a team it is tasked to investigate? Only in a creepy shadow world where nobody in our chain can be trusted. In this case none of us would be employable by anyone so while it might make for interesting eve news tinfoil fodder it really doesn't have much basis in reality. In reality I'm the one who watches the watchers.
And we watch you. Oh yes we do. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
748
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:23:00 -
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CCP Sreegs you've provided quite a bit of hilarity here trying to explain something simple to the tinfoil encrusted masses. If I ever get the chance I'll have to buy you a beer for it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Kathern Aurilen
16
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:24:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Ok so, this all seems fairly normal to me, guy gets banned for updating 30 market orders a minute (yes 1 every 2 seconds, cmon), so CCP let him keep the isk.
But as soon as he donates to to EVE Uni, and they graciously ask you if it is legal, you take it from them? Why is that? It seems a little unfair considering you were going to let the guy keep his 300bil. ESPECIALLY as they were so honest.
Just a thought :) It wasn't decided to "let him keep the isk". It IS policy to take the assets and was AGREEDED UPON but some Code Enforcement keyboard monkey forget to take take the assets and there is where all the drama started. I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2435
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:24:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:CCP Sreegs you've provided quite a bit of hilarity here trying to explain something simple to the tinfoil encrusted masses. If I ever get the chance I'll have to buy you a beer for it.
Pub-crawl with a Dev, if you're going.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
979
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:27:00 -
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Kelduum over-stepped the mark when he wanted/insisted that CCP justify the action they had taken against another player.
What happened was between CCP and 'John' and no one else is entitled to or has a right to know the details. This is not a signature. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5191
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:29:00 -
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Callie Cross wrote:
So again... He asks "why?".
That's not Ego Maniacal. That's not crazy. That's not entitlement. That's not him endorsing botting.
That's a simple question.
Do I think he was over emotional. Sure. Could it have been done a little less dramatically? I guess so. But if that's the case 90% of these posts, including yours are guilty of the same crime. Putting way more emotional crap ontop of simple facts.
He then goes on to attack the CCP security team and attempts to drag their names through the mud while ranting about how CCP has unfairly treated E-Uni over the years while attempting to make it look like "john" has been a victim of wrongfull punishment. |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3021
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:30:00 -
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Callie Cross wrote: In your brain it goes like this:
CCP > Kelduum: He was botting. We took your isk. Kelduum > CCP: I know, but I want that ISK. Kelduum > World: I support botting!! WAAA!!! I WANT ISKIES WAAAAAA!!!
But that's not what is presented by Kelduum is it? Have you actually read his post?
You know, I did actually read his post. What I saw was: CCP > Bans "John" for botting "John" > Finishes suspension, liquidates ISK, gives to E-Uni Kelduum > Petitions ISK (as he should) CCP > Whoops. Yeah, that's bot ISK. Deletes ISK THIS IS YOUR FORMAL NOTIFICATION THAT THIS IS BOT ISK Kelduum > Hey, can I have SOME of the ISK then? It would fund Uni programs forever! And Uni is special! CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. (#6) Kelduum > Makes giant poast on Eve-Uni forums defending "John" and his botting, says it's not botting, says CCP has it in for Uni CCP > No, he was botting.
Quote:Do I think he was over emotional. Sure. Could it have been done a little less dramatically? I guess so. But if that's the case 90% of these posts, including yours are guilty of the same crime. Putting way more emotional crap ontop of simple facts.
No, Kelduum has explicitly endorsed certain kinds of botting in his post. The Uni has followed suit - and perhaps even officially so given that Kelduum is its leader.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Shamon Hussad
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:30:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Cool, how about we call it "hacking the game client" or "automating game actions" or "roboting the game" or something?
-Liang You're an idiot, reading the game cache is not botting.
ITT: People hating on Kelduum because a) they are ******** and don't actually read his posts or b) just because |
Nikolai Lachance
Happy Wheels Logistics
5
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nikolai Lachance wrote: The problem is that being told it was removed because it was illegally obtained is insufficient, given the circumstances.
The isk was obtained iliegally, that is all the info we as players require. WAe have no business in knowing what activities the offender was up to. You missed the point. I'm not saying CCP owed Kelduum detailed information about how the ISK was obtained. However, given the way in which the ISK was brought to their attention, the communication of the illegality of the ISK should have been made in such a way as to assure Kelduum this determination was made legitimately and not simply because he brought it up with them.
It comes down to this: The fact that they failed to confiscate the ISK until after Kelduum brought it up by itself creates suspicion that the confiscation was not totally legitimate. This suspicion could have been mitigated by better communication regarding why this confiscation was delayed as it was. Their repeated refusal to provide this information served to reinforce the suspicion rather than allay it.
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Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:31:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Except the whole part where he used a web-assisted program that allowed him to perform actions faster than they can actually be performed. Kelduum knew about this, no matter how you try to spin it, the evidence is in his initial post. So is SOMER blink a botting program? EVE Poker? Out of game services using isk, which are perfectly acceptable as they do not manipulate the client or relate to anything ingame beyond 'press butan, receive ship. You know you could find out all of this information for yourself right? For a corporation that prides itself on teaching people about the game, they seem to be doing an amazing amount of not teaching you about the game. Considering what has come to light this day, I am not surprised
Or you're jumping to assumptions about things I do and don't know, but hey, you just want to jump to conclusions about what I think because of my corp tag despite most of my posts saying otherwise. I'm just saying your reasons are full of it as there are plenty of approved programs that do what you describe, to the extent you describe. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3020
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:32:00 -
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Shamon Hussad wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Cool, how about we call it "hacking the game client" or "automating game actions" or "roboting the game" or something?
-Liang You're an idiot, reading the game cache is not botting. ITT: People hating on Kelduum because a) they are ******** and don't actually read his posts or b) just because
He wasn't only reading the game cache.
He was botting.
There's a difference. ;-)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Shamon Hussad
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:32:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:CCP > Whoops. Yeah, that's bot ISK. Deletes ISK THIS IS YOUR FORMAL NOTIFICATION THAT THIS IS BOT ISK IOK you are definitely a troll since this never happened, CCP stonewalled him on the explanation until Sreegs replied. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3020
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:33:00 -
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Nikolai Lachance wrote:The fact that they failed to confiscate the ISK until after Kelduum brought it up by itself creates suspicion that the confiscation was not totally legitimate.
No, it gives suspicion that someone ****** up and should have nuked the ISK before he came off of suspension. Not that CCP somehow magically "has it in" for the Uni.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3900
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:34:00 -
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Shamon Hussad wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Cool, how about we call it "hacking the game client" or "automating game actions" or "roboting the game" or something?
-Liang You're an idiot, reading the game cache is not botting. ITT: People hating on Kelduum because a) they are ******** and don't actually read his posts or b) just because ITT: People hating on Liang because a) they are retards and don't actually read his posts or b) just because
On a more serious note, he wasn't just reading the cache, he was using automation to update market orders. That much was obvious from Kelduum's original post, and confirmed by CCP Sreegs. Reading the cache would not have gotten him banned, as everyone who uses EVEMon without modifying a certain setting also does. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2671
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:34:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:If he'd RMT'd his isk that would have been a much better scenario for us
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2601522#post2601522
Quote of the Thread. Now I have the perfect thing to use in baiting tinfoilers.
A thread like "CCP Sreegs likes it when you RMT" should be worth a couple good pages of tinfoiley goodness.
Anyway, we all know how much you like using the kill violator button during the AT, so I'm glad to hear you have a Ban-RMTer button to keep your trigger finger scratched the rest of the year. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3027
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:35:00 -
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Shamon Hussad wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:CCP > Whoops. Yeah, that's bot ISK. Deletes ISK THIS IS YOUR FORMAL NOTIFICATION THAT THIS IS BOT ISK IOK you are definitely a troll since this never happened, CCP stonewalled him on the explanation until Sreegs replied.
Paragraph 15 in Kelduum's OP on Eve-University Forums states this:
Kelduum wrote:Eight days later, we had a response, thanking us for bringing it to CCPs attention, and explaining that due to the ISK being related to a security matter, it has been confiscated.
That is your formal notification.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:36:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Shamon Hussad wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Cool, how about we call it "hacking the game client" or "automating game actions" or "roboting the game" or something?
-Liang You're an idiot, reading the game cache is not botting. ITT: People hating on Kelduum because a) they are ******** and don't actually read his posts or b) just because He wasn't only reading the game cache. He was botting. There's a difference. ;-) -Liang
Got proof of that? Just because someone says its so doesn't mean it is. Others believe differently. Just because they believe differently != they support what the person was doing in the scenario where they find out that they wrong, and yet that's exactly what you've been implying by saying E-UNI people support botting. It'd be like if I said you supported banning for no reason if I believed without a doubt that CCP was wrong. Same logic. |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
173
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:36:00 -
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Tough call on this one. I hate botters but I hate arrogant people who abuse their authority too.
I'd REALLY like to see John in action before I made a call one way or another. Sreegs seems to be saying that Sreegs gets to define what a botter is and by Sreegs' definition, John is a botter, therefore John is a botter. Color me unconvinced.
Maybe they should implement a 15 second cooldown between changing (different) market orders.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3902
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:36:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Shamon Hussad wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Cool, how about we call it "hacking the game client" or "automating game actions" or "roboting the game" or something?
-Liang You're an idiot, reading the game cache is not botting. ITT: People hating on Kelduum because a) they are ******** and don't actually read his posts or b) just because He wasn't only reading the game cache. He was botting. There's a difference. ;-) -Liang Got proof of that? CCP does, and that's all that matters. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Terraferma K10
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:36:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Except the whole part where he used a web-assisted program that allowed him to perform actions faster than they can actually be performed. Kelduum knew about this, no matter how you try to spin it, the evidence is in his initial post. So is SOMER blink a botting program? EVE Poker? Out of game services using isk, which are perfectly acceptable as they do not manipulate the client or relate to anything ingame beyond 'press butan, receive ship. You know you could find out all of this information for yourself right? For a corporation that prides itself on teaching people about the game, they seem to be doing an amazing amount of not teaching you about the game. Considering what has come to light this day, I am not surprised Or you're jumping to assumptions about things I do and don't know, but hey, you just want to jump to conclusions about what I think because of my corp tag despite most of my posts saying otherwise. I'm just saying your reasons are full of it as there are plenty of approved programs that do what you describe, to the extent you describe.
The difference here being
"Press button, program automates client to dispense ship." -and- "Press button, human sees table 7 won a ship, brings the ship over to table 7"
The former is a program running off the results of rolled dice, the latter being people playing the game according to the way dice rolled. |
Callie Cross
Tax Code
8
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:36:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
You know, I did actually read his post. What I saw was: CCP > Bans "John" for botting "John" > Finishes suspension, liquidates ISK, gives to E-Uni Kelduum > Petitions ISK (as he should) CCP > Whoops. Yeah, that's bot ISK. Deletes ISK THIS IS YOUR FORMAL NOTIFICATION THAT THIS IS BOT ISK Kelduum > Hey, can I have SOME of the ISK then? It would fund Uni programs forever! And Uni is special! CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. Kelduum > Hey, are you sure I can't have it? CCP > No. It's bot ISK. No you can't have it. (#6) Kelduum > Makes giant poast on Eve-Uni forums defending "John" and his botting, says it's not botting, says CCP has it in for Uni CCP > No, he was botting.
Quote:At time of writing, no response has been received.
I filed a separate petition to be absolutely sure, wanting to confirm the reason behind the ISK removal:
KelduumGÇÖs Petition wrote: Hi,
Can I get a confirmation that a total of 317,732,017,621.60 ISK was removed due to a 'security matter' related to a now Ex-member of EVE University, who had been temp-banned for apparent market botting?
I understand that you may not be able to confirm some of this, however I want to ensure that the actions being claimed are correct.
Then you read it wrong. |
Nikolai Lachance
Happy Wheels Logistics
7
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:He then goes on to attack the CCP security team and attempts to drag their names through the mud while ranting about how CCP has unfairly treated E-Uni over the years while attempting to make it look like "john" has been a victim of wrongfull punishment. This thread is busy enough without people bringing their fantasy worlds into it.
"He then goes on to attack the CCP security team and attempts to drag their names through the mud" Kelduum had legitimate concerns over the behavior of the security team due to how they handled this situation. The method of this ISK confiscation cast suspicion on its legitimacy and their communcation with Kelduum served to reinforce this suspiction rather than allay it.
"ranting about how CCP has unfairly treated E-Uni over the years " I assume you're talking about his post about how E-Uni has been harmed by changes to the game more than helped. This wasn't a rant. It was in response to suggestions that E-Uni gets special treatment. Kelduum doesn't believe E-Uni should be treated specially, and this "rant" of his was simply a way of pointing out that it most certainly doesn't.
"while attempting to make it look like "john" has been a victim of wrongfull punishment" Aside from his expression of incredulity over "John" intentionally violating the rules for gain as a result of his personal familiarity with the individual, Kelduum really hasn't commented in any significant way over the legitimacy or not of "John's" activities.
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Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: CCP does, and that's all that matters.
For them and their actions. Not when forum posters try using it as a reason though. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3902
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:37:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:Sreegs seems to be saying that Sreegs gets to define what a botter is and by Sreegs' definition, John is a botter, therefore John is a botter. Color me unconvinced. That is what Sreegs is saying. Because, well, that's how it works. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Shamon Hussad
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:38:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Shamon Hussad wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:CCP > Whoops. Yeah, that's bot ISK. Deletes ISK THIS IS YOUR FORMAL NOTIFICATION THAT THIS IS BOT ISK IOK you are definitely a troll since this never happened, CCP stonewalled him on the explanation until Sreegs replied. Paragraph 15 in Kelduum's OP on Eve-University Forums states this: I'm sorry I can't see exactly where CCP game him the formal notification that it was a bot, or even told him exactly what the reason was, can you copy paste it, I must be blind. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Gordian Knot Holdings
5628
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:41:00 -
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Shamon Hussad wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Cool, how about we call it "hacking the game client" or "automating game actions" or "roboting the game" or something?
-Liang You're an idiot, reading the game cache is not botting. ITT: People hating on Kelduum because a) they are ******** and don't actually read his posts or b) just because
CCP Sreegs would like to disagree on the reading of cache, while not a bannable offence, he's of the opinion that it's against the EULA, despite it being common practice and used by many 3rd party tools. I disagree with his statement but at the end of the day he's head of Team Security
CCP Sreegs wrote:
In my opinion cache scraping is illegal. You won't be banned for it today. I didn't see any questions asked what I saw was insults and accusations. Sorry if you have a different interpretation of polite social discourse.
If it looks like a bot, smells like a bot and acts like a bot, 99% of the time it is a bot. I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |
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