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Desimus Maximus
Adeptus Mechanicus.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:27:00 -
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Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
835
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:29:00 -
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Not everyone can play for free. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
899
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:30:00 -
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Thanks for the heads up.
GTC buying time.
It's a bit cheaper in Dodi, but still not cheap. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4428
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:31:00 -
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I can't deny it's getting a little harder to carry the number of accts that I usually run. I'm under 10B liquid after my last re-up and that won't last long if prices don't start dropping.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
291
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:31:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Its half speculation, half ship painting, and half that 10% discount they ran.
It might drop to 670 in a week or 3, when the tycoon who bought everything up gradually starts to unload gradually.
I posted about this like a week ago by the way. |
Tajic Kaundur
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
26
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:43:00 -
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Just going to point this out:
At 1 billion per PLEX, you're looking at 33 million a day to play EVE.
I can make around 500K ISK per hour manufacturing a single tech 1 module. I have 10 lines running things with similar or greater rates of return. No, seriously, Isk Per Hour is showing me an average return of 670K per line.
That's 6.7M an hour.
That's 160.8M a day.
That's significantly more than 33M a day. I only need to run 3 lines to make more than 33 million ISK a day.
If you can't take the effort to make a single freighter run- not even far, just two or three jumps- and make enough for 5 billion ISK a month- I'm not entirely sure if you deserve the luxury of playing off your ISK in the first place.
Making 33 million a day is not hard. PLEX aren't even 1 billion ISK yet. At 750M you only need 25M per day. That's nothing. That's a single tick of ratting in null, which requires less setup money than a freighter run.
You can literally buy your PLEX for 20-30 minutes a day.
If that's not casual play, 20-30 minutes a day at most, I have no idea what is. You don't even need to do it daily, spend three hours on the weekend or something, whatever. ISK is not hard to get. |
Samwise Everquest
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:44:00 -
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honestly i think plex should be worth more. 1 bil at least.
i pay my sub so i guess i have nothing to lose or gain from it but if I was in the business of selling plex i would value my 20 bucks to be about 1 bil isk. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
910
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:57:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its half speculation, half ship painting, and half that 10% discount they ran. You win at math! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5047
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:02:00 -
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Everyshore was sold out last night. At least you get to buy some :)
Let's just say that anyone selling to buy orders is in dire need of a reality check. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Dominic karin
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
34
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:17:00 -
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At 400m i thought well it's reasonable i suppose, at 500m I was a bit annoyed at 600m I thought alright this is a bit much but now at 700m+ it's starting to get ridiculous. Not even gonna get into when it was 200m (those were the days). Bottom line CCP Needs to stop adding functionality and stupid **** to the subscription card that a large portion of the player base pays for the game with. As soon as more ship skins start getting added to the AUR store I could see plex hitting the 1b+ mark easily which is too high considering that these skinned ships are going to be getting blown up a lot. |
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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
292
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:17:00 -
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Tajic Kaundur wrote:Just going to point this out:
At 1 billion per PLEX, you're looking at 33 million a day to play EVE.
I can make around 500K ISK per hour manufacturing a single tech 1 module. I have 10 lines running things with similar or greater rates of return. No, seriously, Isk Per Hour is showing me an average return of 670K per line.
That's 6.7M an hour.
That's 160.8M a day.
That's significantly more than 33M a day. I only need to run 3 lines to make more than 33 million ISK a day.
If you can't take the effort to make a single freighter run- not even far, just two or three jumps- and make 5 billion ISK a month- I'm not entirely sure if you deserve the luxury of playing off your ISK in the first place.
Making 33 million a day is not hard. PLEX aren't even 1 billion ISK yet. At 750M you only need 25M per day. That's nothing. That's a single tick of ratting in null, which requires less setup money than a freighter run.
You can literally buy your PLEX for 20-30 minutes a day.
If that's not casual play, 20-30 minutes a day at most, I have no idea what is. You don't even need to do it daily, spend three hours on the weekend or something, whatever. ISK is not hard to get.
All this smug and not even a monocle. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
1623
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:20:00 -
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Huzzah for player driven inflation, the only meaningful constant in the EVE-ian universe !
Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle.
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2845
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:21:00 -
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Sounds like a good time to sell.
Where's my credit card? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
276
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Posted - 2014.03.27 05:50:00 -
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PLEX prices skyrocket. Bot fleets feel the pressure, start unsubbing. At-keyboard miners profit. Less competition, mineral prices rise.
I am fine with this. The sound of the Amarrian heart |
GreenSeed
977
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Posted - 2014.03.27 06:23:00 -
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you avatar is making a face like someone who sits at a park bench and has an internal monologue that goes like this:
"did i just sit on some homeless dude trow up?, i did, didn't i?" |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2982
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Posted - 2014.03.27 06:31:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP, Cool, run to CCP because other players are ruining your game. Oh god. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
315
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:04:00 -
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CCP is not responsible for PLEX prices on the market.
CCP is not obligated to provide you with the possibility to play "for free" on a casual schedule. If everyone could do it, no one would buy plex for real money and then PLEX prices would rise wait what.
This is typical. Offer a service that almost no one else offers and that you're not obligated to offer and when that gets altered in some way everyone whines that it's bullshit that their toy that they got for free is not the same anymore.
Louis CK has some choice words for you peoople
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpUNA2nutbk I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
336
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:39:00 -
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this is great guys, now there is one less to consume the plexes you need! |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1862
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:42:00 -
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Next time you'll hear about record-breaking battle in EVE you better purchase some PLEXes to sell them later to poor sucke... I mean respective new players who have joined the game after massive PR campaign in media. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2629
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:45:00 -
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Capitalism not going your way?
If you dont like it go live in... oh wait.... *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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Ivanna Logoffski
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:49:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Playing for free is a privilege, not a right. If plex price go higher then you are willing to pay, don't buy them.
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Roggle
Forced Euthanasia
63
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:52:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. Without you EVE will die! |
Setsune Rin
Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel
187
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Posted - 2014.03.27 07:57:00 -
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ITT: a ton of entitled poor people, get a job scrubs!
can't get better isk/hr then that.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2798
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:07:00 -
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Oh and just cos noones mentioned it yet. There's this thing called fanfest right... And tickets for that can be bought in plex...
There's also this thing called "supply and demand"... You get the drift. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
99
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:28:00 -
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Why oh why am i between Credit cards right now.
In fact i don't really understand paying isk for plex. I am glad people do it, so i can sell plex when i can't be bothered doing isk earning activities. But its really poor value for time. |
Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
590
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:32:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
1. Can you get more people like yourself to do the same? Please? 2. Would you mind offering a 21 day trail and post it all over reddit and tell your friends to do the same before leaving? 3. Can you transfer all your stuff to me and I will take GOOD care of it?
TY |
PenguinJim
Singularity Expeditions
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:46:00 -
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The fact is as said CCP have NO influence on Plex prices.. Its completely player controlled.
If CCP put a Max ISK cost on Plex it would be basically fix -ú to ISK trading and you would likely find less and less plex being available.
Look at it like this, Plex sell @400mil ISK SOME eve players buy them for -ú-ú-ú and sell but the ISK return is not really worth their -ú16.. Plex market still under supplied. General Eve Players buy as many as possible and store them
Plex at 700mil ISK, more players think ohhh better isk value for my -ú16, extra Plex come to market, but Plex market is still under supplied. Rich EvE Players buy as many as possible and store them.
Plex at 1bil ISK, many eve players like the ISK to -ú-ú-ú ratio and more Plex come to market, rich Eve Players sell their stored Plex and all profit. IF supply is meeting demand the costs start to drop.
Now the above does not really factor in the following;
- The MEGA rich ISK players making billions upon billion of ISK a week buying multiple plex and storing them, likely for top members of alliances etc these are getting used some are stored and speculated upon.
- The natural inflation of eve, there is nothing really deflating the eve economy so its in constant inflation, a perpetual cycle of increasing costs, because of more and more ISK in the economy.
So in conclusion Plex will always be on a upward trend for costs with the odd blip and lowing on cyclic intervals but never returning to the original lowest prices at the start of the cycle. The hamster wheel is forever turning you just gotta keep up!
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Xeator
soldiers.fi
20
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Posted - 2014.03.27 08:56:00 -
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You do realize that if you dont have time to play in order to make ISK so that you can finally pay for the subscription via ISK, you could maybe just chip in the cash instead of whining like a pleb?
Even most of the worst paid jobs will pay for a whole month, for just an hour of work. If you are well-paid, it takes even less! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
514
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:05:00 -
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Bought a batch earlier today on a buy order at Hek for 672 mill though I think the Hek buy has since snuck up to 680 mill. Thats still 28 mill under Jita sell.
Seriously folks, if you are buying PLEX to sub with instead of as a speculation you have a full month to shop around and place buy orders. Why on earth would you pick them up at market sell at the most expensive hub in EVE.
Personally I am expecting PLEX to eventually settle just under a billion. |
I Riven I
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:19:00 -
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Can you tell me whats the difference between 600 and 700 mil??
Thats 3 hq sites.. in a nice fleet you can do them at 7-8 minutes per.
IMO, PLEX should and probably will cost a lot more unless ccp nerfs some of the game isk faucets.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14540
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:34:00 -
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PenguinJim wrote:The fact is as said CCP have NO influence on Plex prices.. Its completely player controlled. If CCP put a Max ISK cost on Plex it would be basically fix -ú to ISK trading and you would likely find less and less plex being available. Look at it like this, Plex sell @400mil ISK SOME eve players buy them for -ú-ú-ú and sell but the ISK return is not really worth their -ú16.. Plex market still under supplied. General Eve Players buy as many as possible and store them Plex at 700mil ISK, more players think ohhh better isk value for my -ú16, extra Plex come to market, but Plex market is still under supplied. Rich EvE Players buy as many as possible and store them. Plex at 1bil ISK, many eve players like the ISK to -ú-ú-ú ratio and more Plex come to market, rich Eve Players sell their stored Plex and all profit. IF supply is meeting demand the costs start to drop. Now the above does not really factor in the following;
- The MEGA rich ISK players making billions upon billion of ISK a week buying multiple plex and storing them, likely for top members of alliances etc these are getting used some are stored and speculated upon.
- The natural inflation of eve, there is nothing really deflating the eve economy so its in constant inflation, a perpetual cycle of increasing costs, because of more and more ISK in the economy.
So in conclusion Plex will always be on a upward trend for costs with the odd blip and lowing on cyclic intervals but never returning to the original lowest prices at the start of the cycle. The hamster wheel is forever turning you just gotta keep up!
Even non super rich players (like me!) bought PLEX as a hedge against inflation. If you have a few billion ISK just sitting in your wallet, you might as well convert your ISK into PLEX until you need to spend it. Since PLEX have consistently trended upwards, or at worst temporarily plateaued, since they were introduced, it's a very low risk, low effort strategy.
It's basically the nearest EVE equivalent of a savings account, since your investment is backed by a real asset.
One of the few smart moves I ever made with my ISK was to buy 28 PLEX at 300M back in 2011. I used some of them and sold most at 500M or more when I started flying nice ships again. I still have a couple left just in case.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:37:00 -
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Making Isk is too easy. -> Too many people try to PLEX their account(s) with Isk -> price goes up. At some point it will stabilize again. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14540
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:37:00 -
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Just in case the implication of that isn't entirely clear, that means that people like me - not mega rich, just with some liquid ISK - buy PLEX not to use for subs but as a "reserve currency". Naturally this puts a lot of upward pressure on prices, because lots of players want a safe, easy way to protect the value of their wallets.
The US dollar has enjoyed a similar effect in the real world.
1 Kings 12:11
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4766
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Posted - 2014.03.27 09:55:00 -
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I don't know about you OP but I made 7b profit from PI last month on 1 character. All I had to do was log in for 5 minutes every 2 days. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
190
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:05:00 -
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I Riven I wrote:Can you tell me whats the difference between 600 and 700 mil??
Thats 3 hq sites.. in a nice fleet you can do them at 7-8 minutes per.
IMO, PLEX should and probably will cost a lot more unless ccp nerfs some of the game isk faucets.
7 minute tpph?
brb petitioning ccp about your hacking! |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
895
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:10:00 -
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1.) Invest in some luck. 2.) Go lowsec plexing on Weekends in an active region (fw) 3.) ??? 4.) Make 2,5b profit within 24h http://i.imgur.com/DA3rfix.png
One weekend of fun and you can plex your account for 3 month. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
I Riven I
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:21:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:I Riven I wrote:Can you tell me whats the difference between 600 and 700 mil??
Thats 3 hq sites.. in a nice fleet you can do them at 7-8 minutes per.
IMO, PLEX should and probably will cost a lot more unless ccp nerfs some of the game isk faucets.
7 minute tpph? brb petitioning ccp about your hacking! Also they could make ship skins and other cool random non game breakers cost raw isk, instead of plex/aur, to create isk sinks. Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Aside from that you might put some meager pocket change on a clone update, or insure a ship. Aside from the odd titan losses. most pvp ship kills arent that big a deal. cruisers, battleships and such? 4-5 incursion sites worth at best. Granted theres rarely more than 5 fleets of 40 up in hq's due to community numbers and time zones. Want to balance eve inflation? adding more plex for services isnt the way, just just means more raw, already in existance isk moves from 1 player, to another but stays in the game, changing nothing. add awesome things into the game that cost isk which is destroyed upon transaction. target the raw isk directly. NPC vendors selling random vanity services and/or ship skins
no tcrcs or even nrfs |
Kaius Fero
8
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:I don't know about you OP but I made 7b profit from PI last month on 1 character. All I had to do was log in for 5 minutes every 2 days. By ganking freighters hauling P3-P4, right? Risk vs reward, all in 5 minutes .. gotta love the concept |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
895
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:27:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Ship distruction is not a global ISK sink. It's the opposite because no money leaves the game, but money enters the game out of nowhere from the insurance. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
316
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:30:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Ship distruction is not a global ISK sink.It's the opposite because no money leaves the game, but money enters the game out of nowhere from the insurance.
What about the modules? I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
895
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:33:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Ship distruction is not a global ISK sink.It's the opposite because no money leaves the game, but money enters the game out of nowhere from the insurance. What about the modules? The money is still in the game.
Yes, you could say it's a personal asset sink for you. But the money that was generated by bounty or whatever that you used to pay for the modules is at the seller and thus it's not a ISK sink.
I am using the same definition as CCP does at for example fan fest when they talk about ISK sink. It only accures when actual ISK leaves the game. Buying skillbooks, updating clone etc.
Edit: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_sink German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Deano McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
19
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:35:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote: Important Facts
Are you my Daddy?
Take this letter that I give you, Take it sonny, hold it high You won't understand a word that's in it But you'll write it all again before you die A word in your ear from father to son |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
579
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:41:00 -
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The rising price of PLEX can mean two things:
-Either less people buy PLEX from CCp to sell in EvE, or more people buy PLEX of the market then players can supply (can be attributed to recent changes: shipskins with AUR, dual alt-training, Fanfest tickets, etc)
In short: you want cheaper PLEX? Convince the people who got money to spare to buy more PLEX from CCP to sell on the market. -áThe Sleeper Desolation First year anniversary of the Caldari Prime battle was a success! |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
197
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Posted - 2014.03.27 10:56:00 -
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Plex prices are guided by two factors: - the market, which is OK and normal - AUR conversions which is artificial
There is already a way to buy AUR tokens directly from account management. Plex - AUR connection was made years ago for a business model that have been abandoned in the mean time.
I don't really care what the PLEX prices are if they are regulated by the market and are a stand-alone item for itself. But I feel it's time to break the connection between Plex and AUR because it is obsolete anyway.
edit: One more reason for breaking the Plex - AUR connection is the fact that we will see more ship skins and cosmetics/vanity items in the NeX store. Increasing the number of vanity stuff that can be bought with AUR directly pumps the PLEX prices up. - |
ViolentDesire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:01:00 -
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Unless plex is somehow not removed from the game when used to buy Aurum, they are basically trading skins and/or a third training queue for actual players.
If it continues at this rate, it appears there just wont be enough plex available. |
The Lobsters
WE FIGHT
150
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:13:00 -
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Amarr militia have recently had a big cash out too. The plex hike was to be expected. It's a good time to buy GTC's with the money you get from that job you do in RL. That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
868
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:19:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Not everyone can play for free.
This. 1000 times this. If everyone tried to play via plex then no one could play at all. Plex price is determined by a balance between people trying to play for free and people who would rather play eve than grind for isk. It has very little to do with CCP. As far as they are concerned every account is $$$ and it just varies as to whether it i the account owner paying or someome else via plex sales. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2966
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:21:00 -
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https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php should be of interest (once CREST is back up.) Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322 http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20281
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:24:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. U-huhGǪ
Faucets:- NPC bounties
- NPC buy orders
- Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
- Insurance payout
- GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
- Character creation
Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion (including the GÇ£soft sinkGÇ¥ of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)
Taxes represent ~15% of the ISK removal; ship destruction represents ~6% of the ISK injection. Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
715
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:31:00 -
[50] - Quote
Maybe 0.0 is not working, people do not want to buy new titans and fund their ships with plex.
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
316
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:39:00 -
[51] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Maybe 0.0 is not working, people do not want to buy new titans and fund their ships with plex.
I knew it!
Stealth SOV revamp thread! I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
341
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:41:00 -
[52] - Quote
How about you buy a plex like most do who sell you them, be glad you can buy your subscription with ISK in general. I disagree |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
|
Posted - 2014.03.27 11:42:00 -
[53] - Quote
I just realized something. EvE is the first free to play game, to my knowledge, that the parent company controls two in-game currencies bought purely with real life cash. CCP has been positioning themselves nicely I think considering the direction they seemed to be taking two years ago. And now it looks like I should harness the power of my hourly wage to enjoy some more EvE time. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20281
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Posted - 2014.03.27 11:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:I just realized something. EvE is the first free to play game, to my knowledge, that the parent company controls two in-game currencies bought purely with real life cash. CCP has been positioning themselves nicely I think considering the direction they seemed to be taking two years ago. And now it looks like I should harness the power of my hourly wage to enjoy some more EvE time. Just one problem: it's not a free-to-play game, and only one GÇ£currencyGÇ¥ can be bought with real cashGǪ and due to implementation failure, it hardly even counts as a currency to begin with. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
LuisWu
Point Web and Wreck
50
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:03:00 -
[55] - Quote
OP, I have the solution for you right here:
Its the cookie-cutter punisher fit right now
Punisher: 3billionsperweekafkwhileyoulaughatpiratesand enemymilitia.
highs:
-Prototype Cloaking Device I -empty -empty -empty
Meds:
-empty -empty
Lows:
-Warp Core Stabilizer I -Warp Core Stabilizer I -Warp Core Stabilizer I -Warp Core Stabilizer I
Rigs:
-Empty -Empty -Empty
Total investment 1.8 millions.
Choose a FW zone and be a proud militia fighter. And be part of the problem too. Eliminate Cloack + MWD trick/exploit |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:09:00 -
[56] - Quote
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
In fact i don't really understand paying isk for plex.
What is exactly what you don't understand? All right, are you ready for the truth? Is your mind ready to absorb and comprehend the reasons behind all this? Sure?
I buy plex with isk because i can.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2850
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:16:00 -
[57] - Quote
This is a speculation thread, yes? Let's speculate:
The increasing price of PLEXes indicates a increased demand and/or decreased supply of PLEXes which may indicate a decreasing loyalty of the customers to CCP, which makes them less motivated to arrange a recurring payment and/or give their own money to the company.
And now I made the 'problem' into something much bigger than it most likely is. Ta-da! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Ren Coursa
Rapid Withdrawal
4
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Not trying to be a **** or anything but why would they care?
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
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Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:23:00 -
[59] - Quote
Ren Coursa wrote:
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling. |
Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
314
|
Posted - 2014.03.27 12:24:00 -
[60] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:
Even non super rich players (like me!) bought PLEX as a hedge against inflation. If you have a few billion ISK just sitting in your wallet, you might as well convert your ISK into PLEX until you need to spend it. Since PLEX have consistently trended upwards, or at worst temporarily plateaued, since they were introduced, it's a very low risk, low effort strategy.
It's basically the nearest EVE equivalent of a savings account, since your investment is backed by a real asset.
One of the few smart moves I ever made with my ISK was to buy 28 PLEX at 300M back in 2011. I used some of them and sold most at 500M or more when I started flying nice ships again. I still have a couple left just in case.
I did EXACTLY the same thing about 18 months ago. I took a break from null, sold my Erebus, and invested all that money in Plex @ just under 400m each if memory serves.
Investing in plex was the best thing i ever did. Now they are worth even more and i still have enough to plex 4 accounts for a long, long time. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2639
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
|
Posted - 2014.03.27 12:26:00 -
[62] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I just realized something. EvE is the first free to play game, to my knowledge, that the parent company controls two in-game currencies bought purely with real life cash. CCP has been positioning themselves nicely I think considering the direction they seemed to be taking two years ago. And now it looks like I should harness the power of my hourly wage to enjoy some more EvE time. Just one problem: it's not a free-to-play game, and only one GǣcurrencyGǥ can be bought with real cashGǪ and due to implementation failure, it hardly even counts as a currency to begin with.
Other than the fact you 'can' play for free, via utilizing in game currency to pay for plex paid for by others cash, and that you can pay real life cash for plex GTC's and aurum, you are totally correct. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:30:00 -
[63] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay
EVE isn't a ferrari. It is a flock of whiners and scrub lords |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20284
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:31:00 -
[64] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Other than the fact you 'can' play for free, via utilizing in game currency to pay for plex paid for by others cash, and that you can pay real life cash for plex and aurum, you are totally correct. Just because you can get your subscription paid without you opening your wallet does not mean the game is free-to-play. It's still a pay-to-play subscription game, only with a mechanism to let others pay for your subscription.
PLEX is a good, not a currency, and AUR is a currency in name only since it can't really be transferred or exchanged, or used to buy any of the regular goods and services you'd expect from a working currencyGǪ but again, that's mainly a failure of implementation. The best you can do is get transfer vehicles that can be exchanged with others, but which themselves can't be used as currency. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
316
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:35:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ren Coursa wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. Not trying to be a **** or anything but why would they care? You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
^This.
You're threatening to exchange one form of not paying money to another form of not paying money. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5490
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:39:00 -
[66] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
750 mil isk is 25 mil isk per day or ONE null sec anomaly (aka 6 to 15 minutes depending on what ship you use) or 2 less than steller high sec missions.
If you can't make 25 mil isk in a day, you should not be relying on isk/plex
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5490
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:40:00 -
[67] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay
Why is this so easy for us to see and so hard for them I wonder :) .
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2643
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:40:00 -
[68] - Quote
Good Posting wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay EVE isn't a ferrari. It is a flock of whiners and scrub lords
Im not planning on buying EvE either.
Jenn aSide wrote:
Why is this so easy for us to see and so hard for them I wonder :) .
See above *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
132
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:40:00 -
[69] - Quote
Victor Andall wrote:
^This.
You're threatening to exchange one form of not paying money to another form of not paying money.
:5 month old player logic:
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Ren Coursa
Rapid Withdrawal
4
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:41:00 -
[70] - Quote
Good Posting wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling.
Might be true, care to elaborate? |
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
357
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:44:00 -
[71] - Quote
There's a very easy solution to OP's problem. Pay with a credit card, pay pal or some other 'real' currency.
The fact that one pays their game time with PLEX is just plain bad, it puts such a burden (to make ISK) on you that it sucks all enjoyment out of the game.
For goodness sake it's only 50 cents per day, can't you really not afford to pay that much? And before you answer, I was a poor student once too, I know what being poor is like. But even then I could afford to put the equivalent of 15 euros on amusement once or twice a month if I wanted. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
133
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Posted - 2014.03.27 12:45:00 -
[72] - Quote
Ren Coursa wrote:Good Posting wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling. Might be true, care to elaborate?
Paying customers for ccp are subbed accounts with real money, or plexed with isk. Like it or not.. Besides, when i plex my account, someone already paid for it.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
896
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:15:00 -
[73] - Quote
Ren Coursa wrote:Good Posting wrote:Ren Coursa wrote:
You are not a paying customer as far as ccp is concerned, you are basically just an extra load on the server.
I have the feeling that you are too dumb for this game. It is... just a feeling. Might be true, care to elaborate?
If you have a subscription you pay real money to CCP. If you buy a plex, someone bought it with real money.
Either way CCP gets real money.
If you have a multimedia account, than CCP does not get any money. But for that you have to work a bit in order to get it. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Tyburn Stannis
Xenon Salvage Inc.
113
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:17:00 -
[74] - Quote
Sable Moran wrote:Edit: Consider it this way, how long IRL it takes you to make 15 euros? How long it takes you to make 750 million ISK in-game? If the latter is a significantly longer period of time it should be eminently clear how to pay your subscription.
This. A thousand times this.
If you make enough ISK to plex your account whist doing other things in game you already enjoy, rock on. But if you're sitting there for hours and hours on end doing stuff you don't like but "have to do" to make ISK to get Plex... then in the words of the internet, ur doin' it wrong,
o/ |
SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
341
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:19:00 -
[75] - Quote
Good Posting wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote: If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Im not buying anymore Ferraris until they reduce the price to what I want to pay EVE isn't a ferrari. It is a flock of whiners and scrub lords You really don't do your name justice.. I disagree |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2467
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:20:00 -
[76] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model. It is a subscription-only model. The question is, how much are you willing to do for another person to pay your subscription? Apparently, its a sellers market.
Quote:Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
There's one really good way to make it no longer feel like that. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
134
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:21:00 -
[77] - Quote
Justice is irrelevant in eve, and in real life. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
|
Posted - 2014.03.27 13:21:00 -
[78] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Other than the fact you 'can' play for free, via utilizing in game currency to pay for plex paid for by others cash, and that you can pay real life cash for plex and aurum, you are totally correct. Just because you can get your subscription paid without you opening your wallet does not mean the game is free-to-play. It's still a pay-to-play subscription game, only with a mechanism to let others pay for your subscription. PLEX is a good, not a currency, and AUR is a currency in name only since it can't really be transferred or exchanged, or used to buy any of the regular goods and services you'd expect from a working currencyGǪ but again, that's mainly a failure of implementation. The best you can do is get transfer vehicles that can be exchanged with others, but which themselves can't be used as currency.
I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. So if you want to take advantage of those areas you must either shell out cash or use the in game generated currency to purchase the 'other currency'. Yes EvE is not a true free to play game, but CCP is using that model and does control two forms of codes that can only be purchased out of game. One of those is used in the exact way that free to plays use their currecny, other than the items you can purchase in EvE do not affect the game play. Hence why I said it looks like CCP is succeeding in what they wanted to try to do after the golden ammo incident; increase their revenue via a developer controlled commodity. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2114
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:25:00 -
[79] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Oh but there is one thing that can get that done on a casual schedule though it's not on your list ... trading .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2468
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:27:00 -
[80] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game.
No, they weren't. That's just wrong. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
95
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:28:00 -
[81] - Quote
Oh no! People not paying for the game are threatening to leave! Oh the humanity! |
SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
342
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:34:00 -
[82] - Quote
Good Posting wrote:Justice is irrelevant in eve, and in real life. Still not really there but I guess it's an improvement. I disagree |
Radric Davids
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:43:00 -
[83] - Quote
Its just inflation. With time, the prices of goods that you sell for income will rise due to the fact that people selling plex for ISK will have more isk. aka a rise in the money supply. This extra isk in the wallets of many players will increase their demand for goods and services, thus causing prices of all goods to rise to about the same level. The real price level of the economy will be basically the same after some time |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1210
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:44:00 -
[84] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. Stop whining . That is how inflation works. And guess who is to blame?
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:56:00 -
[85] - Quote
Batelle wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. No, they weren't. That's just wrong.
Yes they were. They were thinking about selling items that effect game play for real life cash. That is the free to play structure. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
171
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Posted - 2014.03.27 13:57:00 -
[86] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Batelle wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. No, they weren't. That's just wrong. Yes they were. They were thinking about selling items that effect game play for real life cash. That is the free to play structure.
No, that's monetization.... Clothes do not keep you subbed and able to play. |
Eli Porter
Nanashi no Geemu
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:03:00 -
[87] - Quote
Due to more experienced players having multiple active characters, PLEX prices are pretty damn high. If all players only had one character, PLEX prices would be like 300mil.
I could be wrong but I think the primary cause is PI, since it's by far the easiest way to profit off of having a lot of alts. No multi-boxing required. I wonder how many PI alts the average rich player has? |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1081
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:10:00 -
[88] - Quote
I'm not resubbing when my time runs out on my accounts... partly because of the PLEX prices, mostly because I haven't really had the urge to play much these days. Been pretty much PLEXing just to train skills in case I get the urge to play. I do have the ability to generate a lot of ISK fast, but like I said, just don't have the urge to play.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been PLEXing just to keep an account or two going to train skills. I think those are the ones you will actually see let their accounts lapse when the ISK runs out. In the scheme of things, there really isn't much of a difference between 600 and 700 million ISK. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2470
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:11:00 -
[89] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Batelle wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. No, they weren't. That's just wrong. Yes they were. They were thinking about selling items that effect game play for real life cash. That is the free to play structure.
Are you basing this entirely on the "greed is good" memo? I don't think that reaches the level of "CCP was trying to move towards...." That was an opinion piece by Soundwave, who despite being very important as lead dev, was not empowered to make such a decision like that on his own. Besides, we're talking about PLEX, and the existence of PLEX as a payment option does not mean Eve has or was trying to move towards a " 'free to play' structure." "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Catherine Wolfisheim
Born Crazy
6
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:15:00 -
[90] - Quote
Not everyone has to aim to pay their own subscription to the game. PLEX has use for either (a) Those who really don't want to pay real monies for their subscription. (b) Pilots that have so much ISK that can just throw some change for a PLEX. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20285
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:22:00 -
[91] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. They weren't really doing that either. They were simply trying to cash in on the MT craze by shoe-horning it into a game that had no room or affordances for MT and double-dip on their subscription model.
Moreover, F2P games generally make their money by leveraging an out-of-game commodity: time. You pay the company to skip time. In some cases, you pay to expand the service level, and they leverage out-of-game convenience. That was never the plan here. (They tried that the first time anything MT-like was proposed and were violently shouted down by the community). Instead, they went the virtual goods route, and having to involve various currencies was just a necessity that came with trying to find at least some connection to the overall game, since the goods themselves were tied to part of the game that wasn't even ready for betaGǪ
Quote:Yes EvE is not a true free to play game, but CCP is using that model and does control two forms of codes that can only be purchased out of game. No. Nothing about the EVE business model has anything to do with free-to-play. It's pay-to-play, subscription-based through and through. They don't leverage time or convenience. While there are account services, they are not any real money-earners and they are not ties to the game's virtual currency.
CCP is using a subscription model with some pointless MT sloppily pasted onto the side like a novelty tumour, and they never intended that to change. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2471
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:26:00 -
[92] - Quote
Tippia wrote:CCP is using a subscription model with some pointless MT sloppily pasted onto the side like a novelty tumour, and they never intended that to change.
Sounds like you'd like to see AUR go away completely, which i can't really understand. The NeX store sucks major donkey balls, but I don't have to use it to enjoy content from it. Same for the ship skin pilot program. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
318
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:31:00 -
[93] - Quote
A 'novelty tumor'. I literally lol'd
That's pretty much how i view all the clothes/skins and walking in station stuff. But that's only my opinion, others differ of course.
I play this game to kill other people. I don't care what i look like, dress like or how awesome my ship looks, as long as i am effective.
*Edit* Prices are up to 715M now. I wonder if OP's sphincter is tightening. |
Eli Porter
Nanashi no Geemu
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:31:00 -
[94] - Quote
Jan. 2009 PLEX price = 350 mil
Jan. 2010 PLEX price = 300 mil
Planetary Interaction Implemented in May 2010, each alt can now generate significantly more income with ease
Jan. 2011 PLEX price = 380 mil
Jan. 2012 PLEX price = 450 mil
Jan. 2013 PLEX price = 580 mil
Jan. 2014 PLEX price = 650 mil |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20287
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:34:00 -
[95] - Quote
Batelle wrote:Sounds like you'd like to see AUR go away completely, which i can't really understand. The NeX store sucks major donkey balls, but I don't have to use it to enjoy content from it. Same for the ship skin pilot program. AUR has no reason to exist. It was there to serve as an MT vehicle for a part of the game that was abandoned. It also removed a lot of gameplay and game content that had previously been promised to be a part of that abandoned addition. Trying to repay that failed investment also holds back huge amounts of existing content. AUR could have had some limited use if Dust was ever properly attached to EVE. We'll see if that ever happens, but it seems highly doubtful at this point.
The NeX is still in a pre-alpha state, which is laughable since it's an exact copy of a mechanism that has been in the game for a decade.
Nothing the NeX or AUR does requires NeX or AUR to do so GÇö it could all be done far better through pre-existing means, and would actually provide added sandbox content to the game that way. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Thead Enco
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
122
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:37:00 -
[96] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
1. It's called a free market 2. If your too much of a "casual player" then pay $15 a month ffs
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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
116
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:39:00 -
[97] - Quote
The real trade was the purchasing of plex based clothing as it traded at a huge discount to plex prices during AUR giveaway days.
That discount cannot hold forever |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2649
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:40:00 -
[98] - Quote
Im not about to try and speak for anyone, only myself.
I have almost never used PLEX to extend my account. Those times I have purchased it, it was to buff my ingame account for expensive projects. I prefer to use my in gmae isk as a means to an end, its neither a way to play for "free" nor is it a measure of success. I don't mind paying to play, the EvE universe is unique and allows far far more freedom than any comparable game I have encountered yet, and I pay for that priveledge.
I don't mind working up my usable isk either though, but really I play to do the things I enjoy, not the things to pay my way and not worrying about it or pushing myself into things I dont want to do has kept me coming back.
However, I also don't have a recurring sub simply because I like to be in complete control.
If I assume that many people join under the impression that working hard grants you the ability to buy gametime with ingame isk, then it would follow that this demographic pushes prices faster than the EvE-Rich, though of course they buy PLEX in game from time to time, but in all honesty I see the high prices as a sign of demand rather than any sort of artificial manipulation.
Couple that with the facts that
a) The value of Isk itself when held against PLEX as a gold-standard drops as more players and by extention isk enters the market
b) The opportunity to earn larger amounts of isk becomes available to more people each day
and
c) If you add content, and it is interactable with Isk in any way this will usually have an inflationary effect on the value of the isk in your wallet
then it follows that PLEX will always be slightly out of the comfortable affordability range (or at least percieved range) of the average "middle class" of New Eden (Earning Im guessing @10-50m per play session, maybe 100-500 each week).
In short, if PLEX prices were 300m or so, then the average player (if we accept such a thing even exists) would be earning only 3-20m per gaming session which would require a massive amount of changes to have occured.
But that is just how I see it.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
684
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:40:00 -
[99] - Quote
Eli Porter wrote:Jan. 2009 PLEX price = 350 mil
Jan. 2010 PLEX price = 300 mil
Planetary Interaction Implemented in May 2010, each alt can now generate significantly more income with ease
Jan. 2011 PLEX price = 380 mil
Jan. 2012 PLEX price = 450 mil
Jan. 2013 PLEX price = 580 mil
Jan. 2014 PLEX price = 650 mil
2009 300K Subs 2010 325K Subs 2011 375K subs 2012 400K Subs 2013 500K Subs
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png |
Eli Porter
Nanashi no Geemu
0
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:43:00 -
[100] - Quote
Subscriber != Player, it can also mean alts. If you wanna look at active players you should dig up the average number of online characters on TQ (though even that won't be accurate). |
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2474
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:44:00 -
[101] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Nothing the NeX or AUR does requires NeX or AUR to do so GÇö it could all be done far better through pre-existing means, and would actually provide added sandbox content to the game that way.
Sure Incarna got halted mid sentence practically, but we have it, and people do like avatar items, regardless of what happens to incarna. But this part i quoted is what I don't understand. Are you saying the nex/aur items should be supplied in game without additional revenue for CCP? IMO, assuming those items do exist as MT items (most people seem find with this), then AUR does exactly what its supposed to (minus being non-transferable, that's weird). "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2636
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:48:00 -
[102] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:I may have oversimplified things. CCP was trying to move towards a 'free to play' structure. Free to play games make their money because they control one form of currency that is only used for specific things in game. They weren't really doing that either. They were simply trying to cash in on the MT craze by shoe-horning it into a game that had no room or affordances for MT and double-dip on their subscription model. Moreover, F2P games generally make their money by leveraging an out-of-game commodity: time. You pay the company to skip time. In some cases, you pay to expand the service level, and they leverage out-of-game convenience. That was never the plan here. (They tried that the first time anything MT-like was proposed and were violently shouted down by the community). Instead, they went the virtual goods route, and having to involve various currencies was just a necessity that came with trying to find at least some connection to the overall game, since the goods themselves were tied to part of the game that wasn't even ready for betaGǪ
That explains what I was thinking better. They are getting more cash than they would otherwise get with just the pure subscription...but I do agree with your final post above that it would be better/immersive if they utilized blue prints and/or the LP store for all of this, but CCP must believe that the Nex store would probably generate more additional cash flow. And my main point still stands that CCP is providing non game effecting content better than their competitors are doing.
Tippia wrote:In the most simplified form: F2P means providing the game for free and withholding content or progression unless you pay for it (with RL cash or in game currency)
P2P means withholding the game unless you pay for it, but providing content and progression for free.
CCP does the latter, and in a much purer form than most MMOs since even expansions are included in the price.
I added a little above in parentheses because it is the distinction that I was using to parallel with EvE, the utilization of two currencies. CCP created the second currency in the hopes that it would drive up revenue. The fact that they did not use the in game mechanics to provide the content proves that CCP's want is more for new revenue sources not more 'free' content at the same old price. |
Dex Thunakar
Evil Genius Organisation
48
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:51:00 -
[103] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
You do realize the market is run by the players, right? |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
318
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:52:00 -
[104] - Quote
Batelle wrote:Tippia wrote:Nothing the NeX or AUR does requires NeX or AUR to do so GÇö it could all be done far better through pre-existing means, and would actually provide added sandbox content to the game that way. Sure Incarna got halted mid sentence practically, but we have it, and people do like avatar items, regardless of what happens to incarna. But this part i quoted is what I don't understand. Are you saying the nex/aur items should be supplied in game without additional revenue for CCP? IMO, assuming those items do exist as MT items (most people seem find with this), then AUR does exactly what its supposed to (minus being non-transferable, that's weird).
Aurum is non transferrable, but Aurum tokens are tradable as well. I think it has the exact amount of flexibility it should.
Which is a lot more than CCP was obligated to offer. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20287
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Posted - 2014.03.27 14:56:00 -
[105] - Quote
Batelle wrote:Sure Incarna got halted mid sentence practically, but we have it, and people do like avatar items, regardless of what happens to incarna. But this part i quoted is what I don't understand. Are you saying the nex/aur items should be supplied in game without additional revenue for CCP? IMO, assuming those items do exist as MT items (most people seem find with this), then AUR does exactly what its supposed to (minus being non-transferable, that's weird). I'm saying that neither AUR nor the NeX is really needed to provide that functionality, and I highly doubt that, on their own, they generate any appreciable income. It's all done through PLEX, and the content itself should beGǪ wellGǪ content: blueprints and components and all that player-oriented stuff that they're planing to try with the ship skins.
Slade Trillgon wrote:I added a little above in parentheses because it is the distinction that I was using to parallel with EvE, the utilization of two currencies. CCP created the second currency in the hopes that it would drive up revenue. The fact that they did not use the in game mechanics to provide the content proves that CCP's want is more for new revenue sources not more 'free' content at the same old price. Your addition isn't really correct, though. Being able to get the F2P monetisation stuff with in-game currency defeats the purpose of the monetisation. The whole point is that it brings in real-life cash GÇö that's the business model. What you're demonstrating is more a case of how they tried to maintain the market-centric design of EVE while at the same time introducing MT goods. That addition doesn't really change the business mode. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
498
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:04:00 -
[106] - Quote
Shederov Blood wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its half speculation, half ship painting, and half that 10% discount they ran. You win at math!
1/2+1/4+1/8 = 3/4 |
Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
12
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:07:00 -
[107] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
I don't understand the point of this thread, other than 750 mil is your arbitrary hard cap of what you're willing to pay for one when obviously others are willing to pay more. PLEX working as intended. Market working as intended.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that PLEXing your account was never really a casual activity - and that your arbitrary definition of casual gaming and someone else's probably differ. It's unfortunate that your arbitrary balance of grinding, gaming, RL money and isk is out of balance. I feel for you I guess. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
498
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:07:00 -
[108] - Quote
Samwise Everquest wrote:honestly i think plex should be worth more. 1 bil at least.
i pay my sub so i guess i have nothing to lose or gain from it but if I was in the business of selling plex i would value my 20 bucks to be about 1 bil isk.
And on the other side if you have few dollars to spare you sell a couple plexes at this price and you don't have to grind out isk in game. |
Brock Nelson
667
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:16:00 -
[109] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink.
Um...wat? Wspace doesn't bring any new isk into the game. Sleepers don't have bounties. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20288
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:26:00 -
[110] - Quote
Brock Nelson wrote:Tippia wrote:Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink. Um...wat? Wspace doesn't bring any new isk into the game. Sleepers don't have bounties. They have blue loot, which sells to NPC buy orders, which injects new ISK into the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
688
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:29:00 -
[111] - Quote
Eli Porter wrote:Subscriber != Player, it can also mean alts. If you wanna look at active players you should dig up the average number of online characters on TQ (though even that won't be accurate).
The relative TQ (actives) are on that site I linked.
But Alts definitely impact this.
More accounts means more demand for plexes. More demand for plexes means higher costs.
DO YOU GET IT?
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Brock Nelson
667
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:35:00 -
[112] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Brock Nelson wrote:Tippia wrote:Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink. Um...wat? Wspace doesn't bring any new isk into the game. Sleepers don't have bounties. They have blue loot, which sells to NPC buy orders, which injects new ISK into the game.
Ah, damnit, forgot about them... Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1448
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:41:00 -
[113] - Quote
As someone that plexes three accounts, I think this is completely fine and working as intended. In fact, it's a beautiful example of supply and demand.
As CCP releases more aurum and plex content (ship skins, multi char training) the demand for plex will only rise. As long as the number of people people selling plex stays the same, the price is only going to rise. What's the worst that could happen? Prople quit or start paying subscriptions. Either way It won't affect CCP in any meaningful way.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20288
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Posted - 2014.03.27 15:43:00 -
[114] - Quote
Brock Nelson wrote:Tippia wrote:They have blue loot, which sells to NPC buy orders, which injects new ISK into the game. Ah, damnit, forgot about them... So did I at first, until they released numbers on how much it wasGǪ at which point I was rather shocked. It's a pretty significant chunk of change as it turns out. Something like Gàö of the buy-order injected ISK was from w-space. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Eli Porter
Nanashi no Geemu
1
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:18:00 -
[115] - Quote
Mario Putzo wrote:Eli Porter wrote:Subscriber != Player, it can also mean alts. If you wanna look at active players you should dig up the average number of online characters on TQ (though even that won't be accurate). The relative TQ (actives) are on that site I linked. But Alts definitely impact this. More accounts means more demand for plexes. More demand for plexes means higher costs. DO YOU GET IT?
Let me explain it in simpler terms.
X has no PI resources. He gets about 600 mil a month from ratting and missions.
Y has lots of PI resources and a bunch of alts each taking advantage of them. Each character gets about 1 bil a month.
Y outnumbers player X and gets more money than him. Pilot X can no longer afford a PLEX, he's been drowned out of the market. But people like pilot Y can. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2652
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:23:00 -
[116] - Quote
Eli Porter wrote:[
Let me explain it in simpler terms.
X has no PI resources. He gets about 600 mil a month from ratting and missions.
Y has lots of PI resources and a bunch of alts each taking advantage of them. Each character gets about 1 bil a month.
Y outnumbers player X and gets more money than him. Pilot X can no longer afford a PLEX, he's been drowned out of the market. But people like pilot Y can.
So... higher demand for PLEX
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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
294
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:30:00 -
[117] - Quote
Good thing you are not on serenity then. From memory Plexing an account costs 2.5B isk. |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2477
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:34:00 -
[118] - Quote
Tippia wrote: I'm saying that neither AUR nor the NeX is really needed to provide that functionality, and I highly doubt that, on their own, they generate any appreciable income. It's all done through PLEX, and the content itself should beGǪ wellGǪ content: blueprints and components and all that player-oriented stuff that they're planing to try with the ship skins.
Meh, cosmetic content is cosmetic content, be it ship skins or clothing. AUR does exactly what its supposed to, which is to provide a smaller denomination of currency than a single PLEX. The biggest issue with NeX revenue is the poor selection and that some of the items are given away through other means and are also permanent. Ship skins will probably change that, as ships blow up. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Othran
Route One
697
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:36:00 -
[119] - Quote
Dropped an account (after moving chars) earlier in the year. May drop a second after another character reshuffle - looking like I can survive on two accounts easy enough & just leave a reverse-redeemed PLEX on the third if I need more probers/cyno alts suddenly.
Frankly its probably a good thing for the game if people have less accounts, but obviously CCPs beancounters will feel differently. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
696
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:43:00 -
[120] - Quote
Eli Porter wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Eli Porter wrote:Subscriber != Player, it can also mean alts. If you wanna look at active players you should dig up the average number of online characters on TQ (though even that won't be accurate). The relative TQ (actives) are on that site I linked. But Alts definitely impact this. More accounts means more demand for plexes. More demand for plexes means higher costs. DO YOU GET IT? Let me explain it in simpler terms. X has no PI resources. He gets about 600 mil a month from ratting and missions. Y has lots of PI resources and a bunch of alts each taking advantage of them. Each character gets about 1 bil a month. Y outnumbers player X and gets more money than him. Pilot X can no longer afford a PLEX, he's been drowned out of the market. But people like pilot Y can.
So what you are trying to say is you and some guy each got a couple alts running PI and instead of plexing 1 account you are plexing 2, and Y is plexing 4 instead of 1.
Instead of 2 Plexes to run your accounts you and Y now need 6 Plexes between the two of you.
..... ..... .....
Really. |
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MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
51
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:48:00 -
[121] - Quote
Looked back over past five years, the monthly plexflation is around 1.75%, yearly 23%.
Could hit a billion around the end of next year. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
408
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:49:00 -
[122] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:bitches about PLEX prices
Work at a McD's making minimum wage, don't be totally irresponsible with your money, and save about two day's pay for a year's sub to EVE. A year's sub is currently 100 USD, but I could have sworn it was 120 USD, and am using the higher price anyway.
Can you make enough ISK to PLEX your account for a year during the course of two days even when PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable level? A year's worth of PLEX at 500m would be 6b ISK. What percentage of the player base can make 6b in two working day (16 hrs)?
No. You can't. Ever.
Minimum wage was used as a baseline. You likely make more. For example, if you're American, you likely make closer to the national average 24 USD / hr as per the Bureau of Labor website statistics. Lets say you're not quite average and only make 10 USD / hr, and you're not totally irresponsible with your money. You only need to work for 12 hours to make that much. Less than 2 full 8hr days. Let's just get the first 120 USD down payment out of the way and then start saving for the next one, and assume you get paid twice monthly. You only need to save 5 bucks a paycheck. That's it. If you can't save 5 bucks a paycheck, there are other things you need to worry about rather than playing EVE.
PLEX prices are subject to the in-game market. While CCP does intervene to effect its price, that's BS and they shouldn't. But so far they haven't and the cheapest you can find in Jita is over 700mil. Just pay a yearly sub. If you do it now, it's only 8.33 USD / mo and you never need to worry about grinding out ISK for next month.
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Eli Porter
Nanashi no Geemu
1
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:49:00 -
[123] - Quote
Mario Putzo wrote:Eli Porter wrote:
Let me explain it in simpler terms.
X has no PI resources. He gets about 600 mil a month from ratting and missions.
Y has lots of PI resources and a bunch of alts each taking advantage of them. Each character gets about 1 bil a month.
Y outnumbers player X and gets more money than him. Pilot X can no longer afford a PLEX, he's been drowned out of the market. But people like pilot Y can.
So what you are trying to say is you and some guy each got a couple alts running PI and instead of plexing 1 account you are plexing 2, and Y is plexing 4 instead of 1. Instead of 2 Plexes to run your accounts you and Y now need 6 Plexes between the two of you. ..... ..... ..... Really.
I'm not saying anything about me and some friend, but let's assume that yes. we're plexing 6 characters each making 1 bil, and the guy with no access to PI is making 600mil. We have 6 ppl that can at most afford to spend 1 bil on a plex, and 1 person that can at most afford to spend 600mil. That guy won't be buying plexes.
Without PI, we would gain less ISK per month, and would have much less benefit in having alts for profit. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1346
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:55:00 -
[124] - Quote
Markku Laaksonen wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:bitches about PLEX prices Work at a McD's making minimum wage, don't be totally irresponsible with your money, and save about two day's pay for a year's sub to EVE. A year's sub is currently 100 USD, but I could have sworn it was 120 USD, and am using the higher price anyway. Can you make enough ISK to PLEX your account for a year during the course of two days even when PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable level? A year's worth of PLEX at 500m would be 6b ISK. What percentage of the player base can make 6b in two working day (16 hrs)? No. You can't. Ever. Minimum wage was used as a baseline. You likely make more. For example, if you're American, you likely make closer to the national average 24 USD / hr as per the Bureau of Labor website statistics. Lets say you're not quite average and only make 10 USD / hr, and you're not totally irresponsible with your money. You only need to work for 12 hours to make that much. Less than 2 full 8hr days. Let's just get the first 120 USD down payment out of the way and then start saving for the next one, and assume you get paid twice monthly. You only need to save 5 bucks a paycheck. That's it. If you can't save 5 bucks a paycheck, there are other things you need to worry about rather than playing EVE. PLEX prices are subject to the in-game market. While CCP does intervene to effect its price, that's BS and they shouldn't. But so far they haven't and the cheapest you can find in Jita is over 700mil. Just pay a yearly sub. If you do it now, it's only 8.33 USD / mo and you never need to worry about grinding out ISK for next month. You assume that I can earn more real-life money at will, just as I can sit down for an hour or two and earn some isk.
Good luck finding a McDonald's that will employ you for 2 days. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
30
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Posted - 2014.03.27 16:58:00 -
[125] - Quote
I remember when 300mil got you a 90day GTC :( Vacuums suck. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
409
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:06:00 -
[126] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:You assume that I can earn more real-life money at will, just as I can sit down for an hour or two and earn some isk.
Good luck finding a McDonald's that will employ you for 2 days.
Yeah, I totally implied that you should find 2 day employment at a McD's. Don't be a moron. You're so much smarter than that.
My assumption isn't that you "can earn more real-life money at will." You're so much better than that. But I'll spell it out. My assumption is that if you're playing EVE, there is every way in the world you can afford to put aside 5 bucks a paycheck.
I'm confidently assuming that EVERYONE who plays EVE does so being able to afford the PC, internet connection, electrical bill, and mortgage/rent associated with having the privilege of wasting away the day playing a computer game. I'd feel pretty safe assuming they can also at least afford the other comforts that come with having shelter in such a privileged society, such as water / sewer, gas, and waste.
If you'd like help to achieve this seemingly herculean task, please message me. I would be glad, more than happy actually, to sit down with you and talk about your family funds and how to manage this. EDIT: This is a sincere offer. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
EVE Buddy Invite - https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=047203f1-4124-42a1-b36f-39ca8ae5d6e2&action=buddy
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Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
471
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:16:00 -
[127] - Quote
People crying because it's hard to play for free, because not enough other people are paying for their game for them.
Entitlement much? |
Radric Davids
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:41:00 -
[128] - Quote
The real price of plex has not changed.... You should be making about the same income in terms of price adjusted income, assuming you are doing the same thing every time (which i hope you arent). We dont know if plex has risen in real value, just in nominal price.
The increase in isk price of plex is simply due to natural inflation caused by growth of players, income earning efficiency, and the purchase of plex with real money.
OP, and anyone complaining about this, is mad cuz bad (at economics), basically |
Eli Porter
Nanashi no Geemu
1
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:45:00 -
[129] - Quote
Radric Davids wrote:The real price of plex has not changed.... You should be making about the same income in terms of price adjusted income, assuming you are doing the same thing every time (which i hope you arent). We dont know if plex has risen in real value, just in nominal price.
For a highsec carebear or a nullsec ratter, earnings have remained quite static while other, far more profitable venues have surfaced. So it's mostly those guys that are hurt. |
Cranky MaDinky
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.03.27 17:56:00 -
[130] - Quote
I realize some people don't have a lot of money but heavens if you can't afford 15 lousy bucks a month for 1 account, that's pretty sad. The time you say you waste earning ISK to buy a PLEX could be used out digging through peoples recycling bins for beer bottles. You could get 15 bucks worth in a few hours... |
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Pew Terror
Green Associates TITANS.
196
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:02:00 -
[131] - Quote
If 10 dollars are a problem to pay for your video game, you shouldn't play video games until 10 dollars are not a problem. |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
322
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:12:00 -
[132] - Quote
Pew Terror wrote:If 10 dollars are a problem to pay for your video game, you shouldn't play video games until 10 dollars are not a problem.
A thousand times this.
And I'm from a stereotipically impoverished country. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:28:00 -
[133] - Quote
I don't like it any more than you do OP, but if I see how easily I can PLEX 3 accounts a month I'm not surprised prices are going up. I f I can do it with my half arsed income schemes (I put in about zero effort to maximize my income, not in PVE, industry and trading, the pro's would prolly ROFLOL if they saw my inefficiency) then basically anyone can do it, which will translate in high demand.
And it's not just those 3 PLEX per month I have to use to PLEX my accounts, I started parking my excess liquid isk in PLEX too, since historically it only seems to be going up, and pretty fast too. I figure tons of players do this. Much as IRL gold is considered a good 'safe haven', so does PLEX seem to be a safe haven in EVE. It's even better than gold, if gold were to crash completely IRL (due to space mining or exotic synthetic materials developed at a fraction of the cost or whatever) you're stuck with a worthless raw material, if PLEX were to crash to 1/100th of it's value, it's still worth 30 days of play time per PLEX.
I'm guessing it will never crash or even stabilize as long as EVE is a thriving game. CCP keeps adding more stuff to do with PLEX which gives ppl with more isk then they know what to do with something to do with it. Dual/Triple training, transferring chars to other accounts, ship painting etc etc. And then there is RL inflation too, PLEX will not be 15$ forever (or however much it is atm).
Bottom line, it will keep going up, learn to deal with it, start paying subs or leave the game. Should the time come where I can no longer PLEX my accounts with the ammount of effort I now put into it, I might sub one or two accounts or leave EVE. That point should be reached at about 1 billion per PLEX with my CURRENT income. |
Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
44
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:37:00 -
[134] - Quote
So now that you're quitting can I have all your stuff?
KWAS is now recruiting!-á Incursion Running, L4 Missions, Orca boosts for mining, and small gang WH PvE/PvP |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:41:00 -
[135] - Quote
Pew Terror wrote:If 10 dollars are a problem to pay for your video game, you shouldn't play video games until 10 dollars are not a problem. A lot of the time when ppl say: "I don't have money for X." what the actually mean is:"I don't have money to get X, Y and Z and I really don't wanna give up Y and Z cuz they are more important or I enjoy them more.". Same with me, I like EVE but I'm pretty casual. If EVE were to cost me 45 euro a month to keep up that casual play I'd be gone. While I have no problem spending multiple times that a month on pubs, movies, dining out etc. It just wouldn't be worth it for me. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:44:00 -
[136] - Quote
Jack Lennox wrote:So now that you're quitting can I have all your stuff? Tbh, I would recommend everyone 'quitting' EVE to liquify all their assets and turn them into PLEX, hell, maybe that's what's driving the rising prices as gankers such as myself are said to be driving players out of the game at an extounding rate regarding to the forums |
Qalix
Long Jump.
233
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:48:00 -
[137] - Quote
I no longer use my real money to pay for EVE. I don't think I ever will. It isn't so wonderful that I'll grind forever to pay for it or waste my precious, finite real money on a senseless luxury, no matter the price. There is a point at which many players will quit if the ISK for playtime equation no longer works out. Make any argument you like and call them any name you want, but it doesn't change that fact. |
Lilliana Stelles
1205
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:28:00 -
[138] - Quote
Plebeian thread. Not a forum alt.-á |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1267
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:31:00 -
[139] - Quote
High plex prices are a great thing. The Tears Must Flow |
Qalix
Long Jump.
233
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:35:00 -
[140] - Quote
Lilliana Stelles wrote:Plebeian thread. Then you'd better hand out the bread and circuses. At least the Romans recognized the power and danger of the mob. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4161
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:37:00 -
[141] - Quote
Qalix wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:Plebeian thread. Then you'd better hand out the bread and circuses. At least the Romans recognized the power and danger of the mob.
I would accept cake.. or pie, if there's no more cake.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
362
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Posted - 2014.03.27 20:53:00 -
[142] - Quote
Once PLEX reaches 800, I might... might release part of my stock onto the market.
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GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
84
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:06:00 -
[143] - Quote
I run quite a few accounts and only plex one of them. I am not extremely wealthy or anything like that but a hundred bucks a month isn't bothering me that much. I feel for the folks that try to grind out the ISK to plex every month, that is a lot of work and you have my sympathy. I do think it is possible that at some point things turn and the price heads down, although it may require a declining player base in order to take that direction. Even then it probably wouldn't last long and would turn upward again. |
Khadhir Hashul
Jovian Industrial Defense Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:08:00 -
[144] - Quote
The only way you can blame CCP for this is pointing out that their bad design choices and laziness have made the game unappealing for newbies who want to buy PLEX for isk. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20290
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:17:00 -
[145] - Quote
Khadhir Hashul wrote:The only way you can blame CCP for this is pointing out that their bad design choices and laziness have made the game unappealing for newbies who want to buy PLEX for isk. GǪor maybe they've made it too easy for newbies so there is no longer any reason for them to buy PLEX to get ISK. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
257
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:19:00 -
[146] - Quote
+1 CCP
Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish.
Hopefully this leads to fewer people clogging up Jita |
Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
59
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:40:00 -
[147] - Quote
what? havent played like 2 weeks and its over 700 mil now? Screw that eve was only interesting for me cause i could play it more or less for free. Knowing that i probs wont play anymore if things wont settle down. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
515
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Posted - 2014.03.27 21:47:00 -
[148] - Quote
I only PLEX cos there is nothing useful to do with all that ISK that builds up.
Seems a lot of fuss for what is just a 15% price hike. |
iskflakes
902
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:39:00 -
[149] - Quote
Perhaps everybody who's crying about the PLEX price should switch to a subscription instead. It's significantly cheaper than PLEX. - |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
278
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:01:00 -
[150] - Quote
Victor Andall wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:Aramatheia wrote:Currently there is no real isk sink except basic destruction via combat or self destruct. taxes and other such (npc taxes) are so small they dont warrant mention. Ship distruction is not a global ISK sink.It's the opposite because no money leaves the game, but money enters the game out of nowhere from the insurance. What about the modules?
/facepalm
money doesnt leave the pool, minor amounts are taken via taxes but by and large money comes into the economy because free insurance gives you money for nothing.
That insurance money has never existed in eve until your ship was destroyed. Modules are either dropped from rats or manufactured from minerals. AGAIN NO ISK WAS CREATED/LOST https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
278
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:02:00 -
[151] - Quote
Cheng Musana wrote:what? havent played like 2 weeks and its over 700 mil now? Screw that eve was only interesting for me cause i could play it more or less for free. Knowing that i probs wont play anymore if things wont settle down.
Renter alert! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
920
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:24:00 -
[152] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:1/2+1/4+1/8 = 3/4 ... That would be 7/8. Or 0.79 with stacking penalties.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
30
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:44:00 -
[153] - Quote
The only isk sinks in the game would be what?
Skill books LP store insurance that expires clones war decs corp offices various taxes and fees with buying/selling various taxes and fees with renting an assembly line (not sure never produced anything) high-sec POS charters?
Most of those are pretty insignificant also. This game really does need some more Isk sinks that effects everyone. Vacuums suck. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
929
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:20:00 -
[154] - Quote
Yeah it's pretty expensive right now, CCP has made an asinine move with their ship skins, but it's not back-breaking right now. This month there have been two or three days where I did any ratting. I also got an escalation I sold for 50/50 loot, which gave me a minor bump, but all said I'm most-of-the-way to paying for a plex while stll having fun in the game.
Plex prices become untenable when Eve starts feeling like a job to play. At that point going back to $15/mo is doable if CCP refuses to step in with price controls. If working super hard to fund alt accounts when I need them becomes an issue, I might stop playing, but that's still a ways down the line. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
49
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:24:00 -
[155] - Quote
Plex is tied to worldwide oil prices. The higher oil goes, Plex follows suit. |
Insane Nutta
Insane Cru
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:36:00 -
[156] - Quote
Super spikinator wrote:Good thing you are not on serenity then. From memory Plexing an account costs 2.5B isk.
Yeah .... but buying a PLEX on Serenity costs 60Yuan .. Thats
UK - -ú5.80 US - $9.50 EU - Gé¼7.00
But you are correct when you sell the PLEX you get about 2.5 Billion ISK |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
158
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Posted - 2014.03.28 01:43:00 -
[157] - Quote
I just let half of my accounts run out. Didn't need them anyway.
Anyone wanna trade me 25 PLEX for 20bil worth of random faction mods? I'm too lazy to sell all this crap. |
ValhaIIa Rising
Valhalla Asgard Helgafjell
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:39:00 -
[158] - Quote
Bully, bully bully!!!! It's a bull market for PLEX buyers. Sux to be a PLEX user. |
Waltaratzor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:43:00 -
[159] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
So what? CCP isn't directly making money off you. They make money off people who buy plexes with real cash and sell them. Higher plex prices mean more people buy plex with real cash. CCP has no incentive to lower prices. |
Waltaratzor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 03:46:00 -
[160] - Quote
Dominic karin wrote:At 400m i thought well it's reasonable i suppose, at 500m I was a bit annoyed at 600m I thought alright this is a bit much but now at 700m+ it's starting to get ridiculous. Not even gonna get into when it was 200m (those were the days). Bottom line CCP Needs to stop adding functionality and stupid **** to the subscription card that a large portion of the player base pays for the game with. As soon as more ship skins start getting added to the AUR store I could see plex hitting the 1b+ mark easily which is too high considering that these skinned ships are going to be getting blown up a lot.
Then buy plex with cash and do your part to lower the price. |
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VaIhalla Rising
Valhalla Asgard Helgafjell
1
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Posted - 2014.03.28 04:14:00 -
[161] - Quote
BULLY! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
348
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:04:00 -
[162] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Lol, this is why I started using my real life job to keep my three accounts going.
http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5094
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Posted - 2014.03.28 06:24:00 -
[163] - Quote
Regan Rotineque wrote:Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish.
Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2673
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Posted - 2014.03.28 07:38:00 -
[164] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote:Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish. Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.
+1 *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Allthat Andsome
B52 Bombers
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:02:00 -
[165] - Quote
http://m.memegenerator.net/instance/47796833
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Qen Tye
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:16:00 -
[166] - Quote
It's probably already said somewhere in this thread, but didn't bother to read cause /scrambles to get my credit card and buy plex to sell
and DAMN me! for selling two the other day for 680m each in hi-sec. Should have gone to Jita. Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe-áor we are not. Bot are equally terrifying.
- Arthur C. Clarke |
Gregor Parud
359
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:52:00 -
[167] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Regan Rotineque wrote:Excellent form of population control...let plex rise to high levels and the weak and non productive in EvE shall perish. Well, I'm hoping that more people will pay by 12 month subscription (a net loss to CCP over the PLEX subscription), and play the game for the fun of the game rather than the need to farm up a PLEX every month. With less focus on ISK/hr, people can just participate in the activities that they enjoy.
Also makes demand lower, dropping plex prices. It's win win really. And to the OP; If you the increase in price causes trouble for you, you're doing it wrong. |
Icylce
The Chosen 0nes DARKNESS.
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 08:57:00 -
[168] - Quote
Markku Laaksonen wrote:Work at a McD's making minimum wage, don't be totally irresponsible with your money, and save about two day's pay for a year's sub to EVE. A year's sub is currently 100 USD, but I could have sworn it was 120 USD, and am using the higher price anyway. Can you make enough ISK to PLEX your account for a year during the course of two days even when PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable level? A year's worth of PLEX at 500m would be 6b ISK. What percentage of the player base can make 6b in two working day (16 hrs)? No. You can't. Ever. Minimum wage was used as a baseline. You likely make more. For example, if you're American, you likely make closer to the national average 24 USD / hr as per the Bureau of Labor website statistics. Lets say you're not quite average and only make 10 USD / hr, and you're not totally irresponsible with your money. You only need to work for 12 hours to make that much. Less than 2 full 8hr days. Let's just get the first 120 USD down payment out of the way and then start saving for the next one, and assume you get paid twice monthly. You only need to save 5 bucks a paycheck. That's it. If you can't save 5 bucks a paycheck, there are other things you need to worry about rather than playing EVE. PLEX prices are subject to the in-game market. While CCP does intervene to effect its price, that's BS and they shouldn't. But so far they haven't and the cheapest you can find in Jita is over 700mil. Just pay a yearly sub. If you do it now, it's only 8.33 USD / mo and you never need to worry about grinding out ISK for next month. EDIT: Added BoL source EDIT2: UK statistics on earnings, average hourly earning on page 7. This one is a couple years out of date, but all I can be bothered to look up.
Please consider, not each country has such high minimal and median wages. For example in my country, median wage is about 650 GPB/month. If u compare it with the link u posted in edit 2 there is huge difeerence in earning in my country and UK 650GBP/mont vs 546GBP/week or 449GBP week. Also I would like to point out the prices here for services and products are comparable with US and UK.
So while your argument about paying for eve with your RL earnings is correct, your assumption everyone with job can afford it is wrong.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:34:00 -
[169] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I run quite a few accounts and only plex one of them. I am not extremely wealthy or anything like that but a hundred bucks a month isn't bothering me that much. I feel for the folks that try to grind out the ISK to plex every month, that is a lot of work and you have my sympathy. I do think it is possible that at some point things turn and the price heads down, although it may require a declining player base in order to take that direction. Even then it probably wouldn't last long and would turn upward again.
A (severly) declining player base would be bad, so let's hope it doesn't come to that. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
49
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:46:00 -
[170] - Quote
It's more like CCP needs to advertise to get more american & western european players whom can afford to buy plex. |
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Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
59
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Posted - 2014.03.28 09:58:00 -
[171] - Quote
Adoris Nolen wrote:It's more like CCP needs to advertise to get more american & western european players whom can afford to buy plex. Or get more players to actually bother paying for their product. Lets face it most players who use plex (like myself) play this game because it can be played for free. It has nothing to do with it if i could subscribe for it or not. The amount of content avaible with each expansion isnt just worth my real money. If CCP would actually get like 4-6 new ships out with new additions to the game i might would subscribe to it. But as it stands now i only see that they are milking the players like cows. |
Qen Tye
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2014.03.28 10:21:00 -
[172] - Quote
One thing strikes me..
When I started play this game, PLEX was non existant. Despite this fact, the player base in prime time on server were around 50k logged on.
That number still holds. So implementing PLEX have not changed the number of the player base (at least not from my pov).
In any event; CCP are not going to: - remove PLEX - intervene on ingame prices on PLEX
PLEX is an income and be rest assured they will not remove it unless player base in fact does drop heavily and / or no one buys them anymore. Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe-áor we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
- Arthur C. Clarke |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3326
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Posted - 2014.03.28 11:30:00 -
[173] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Even non super rich players (like me!) bought PLEX as a hedge against inflation. If you have a few billion ISK just sitting in your wallet, you might as well convert your ISK into PLEX until you need to spend it. Since PLEX have consistently trended upwards, or at worst temporarily plateaued, since they were introduced, it's a very low risk, low effort strategy.
It's basically the nearest EVE equivalent of a savings account, since your investment is backed by a real asset.
One of the few smart moves I ever made with my ISK was to buy 28 PLEX at 300M back in 2011. I used some of them and sold most at 500M or more when I started flying nice ships again. I still have a couple left just in case. You mean I'm not the only one who thought of this?
I have 5 accounts with paid annual subscriptions. [I don't want PLEX grinding to be a job.] I have a small stash of PLEX too. The last 6x PLEX I burned on dual character training, because I needed another research alt with level 4 science skills.
Even if the PLEX market tanks, PLEX are still very useful. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2868
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Posted - 2014.03.28 11:42:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
It takes like two sites in a c5 wormhole to cover that price. I'm sure certain sites in null cover it quite well too.
Maybe you should just get better at the game, instead of being angry that your FREE subscription via isk isn't free enough? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20293
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:28:00 -
[175] - Quote
Last Wolf wrote:The only isk sinks in the game would be what?
Skill books LP store insurance that expires clones war decs corp offices various taxes and fees with buying/selling various taxes and fees with renting an assembly line (not sure never produced anything) high-sec POS charters?
Most of those are pretty insignificant also. This game really does need some more Isk sinks that effects everyone. So you just skipped over the last list?
Let's try again:
Faucets:- NPC bounties
- NPC buy orders
- Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards, Deposit repayment
- Insurance payout
- GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods
- Character creation
Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Reimbursed player bounties
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned and highsec customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion (including the GÇ£soft sinkGÇ¥ of accounts being frozen or banned, and the even softer sink of accounts being abandoned forever)
Taxes and fees represent ~15% of the ISK removal; ship destruction represents ~6% of the ISK injection. Since roughly forever, the ISK injected-to-ISK sunk ratio has been 2:1, with incursions and w-space being the biggest additions on the faucet side, and NPC sell orders (mainly skill books and blueprints) consistently being the biggest sink. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Demica Diaz
SE-1
138
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:42:00 -
[176] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
When you start feeling like this then yes, it is not worth grinding PLEX. Because with 2-3 hours of real life work you can pay for your account. Paying real money for account also beings you more benefit as you can spend your ISK on something else instead of PLEX.
I am all up for PLEX going as high as 5 billion as it will remove a lot of alt accounts which EVE seem to be swarming atm. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14593
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:43:00 -
[177] - Quote
By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.
LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral.
1 Kings 12:11
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20293
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:48:00 -
[178] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.
LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral. If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:23:00 -
[179] - Quote
Tippia So you just skipped over [url="https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4398723#post4398723" wrote:the last list[/url]?
You don't expect me to read the entire thread do you?
Most of the significant isk sinks are completely avoidable, for say a 0.0 ratter that never uses LP or buys blue prints Skillbooks are a 1 time sink per skill book per character, and there is nothing forcing you to buy the expensive ones (probably the most expensive one I have ever bought would be 200m or so)
We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it.
Vacuums suck. |
Qen Tye
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:26:00 -
[180] - Quote
Last Wolf wrote:We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it.
No we don't
Two possibilities exists: Either we are alone in the universe-áor we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
- Arthur C. Clarke |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20294
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:31:00 -
[181] - Quote
Last Wolf wrote:We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it. We have those: taxes and NPC sell orders. With the ESS, we also have LP stores making an impact on null.
Everyone is affected, and by all accounts, the faucet-to-sink ratio is currently pretty much where it should be. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5591
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:34:00 -
[182] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. It takes like two sites in a c5 wormhole to cover that price. I'm sure certain sites in null cover it quite well too. Maybe you should just get better at the game, instead of being angry that your FREE subscription via isk isn't free enough?
Last night me and a buddy did a 10/10 and it dropped a pirate ship BPC and some hardeners. 1.3 bil (almost 2 plex) total for 30 minutes work. Doesn't always work that way of course, but making isk in EVE isn't even that time consuming if you know what to do. you don't even need access to null or high end wormholes
Even with the changing Faction War Landscape, making a plex worth of isk takes no time at all. http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=65348&p=574466 |
GsyBoy
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:47:00 -
[183] - Quote
Think it has all been said.
Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, -ú9.99 per month, thatGÇÖs like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, thatGÇÖs the price they will be.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4822
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:50:00 -
[184] - Quote
GsyBoy wrote:Think it has all been said.
Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, -ú9.99 per month, thatGÇÖs like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, thatGÇÖs the price they will be.
What? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
GsyBoy
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition.
10
|
Posted - 2014.03.28 14:28:00 -
[185] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:GsyBoy wrote:Think it has all been said.
Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, -ú9.99 per month, thatGÇÖs like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, thatGÇÖs the price they will be.
What?
Think it has all been said.
Buying PLEX is a privilege earned by skilled up older players that have the intelligence to earn ISK whilst playing their game, that is why the free trial exists and tbh it is not expensive to play Eve as a casual player, -ú9.99 per month, thatGÇÖs like half a bottle of half decent scotch per month. If you own 5 toons and are not making ISK then you are doing it wrong and not intelligent or resourceful enough to benefit from free game time.
However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation.
Suppose all comes down to supply/demand, if peeps are willing to pay, thatGÇÖs the price they will be. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
925
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:07:00 -
[186] - Quote
Yes, we saw it the first time.
But this paragraphGsyBoy wrote:However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation. was pretty hard to follow.
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ExcalibursTemplar
Citadel Enterprises
30
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:26:00 -
[187] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
I'm already doing that myself as PLEX prices are nuts.
I honestly don't expect to be back though as CCP keep adding more PLEX sinks to the game so i can only see the price going up and up.
It's not that i'm playing for free either i pay the subs on two accounts already. I just wanted to start some alt accounts so i could setup a small industry operation for myself which has always been my goal in eve. If i can't acheive my goals in eve i just don't see the point in playing anymore.
Note: No you can't have my stuff its mine i worked my arse of to get it.
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GsyBoy
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:27:00 -
[188] - Quote
Shederov Blood wrote:Yes, we saw it the first time. But this paragraph GsyBoy wrote:However CCP could buy and sell these like skill books and segregate from the economy however not sure as to what effect that would have to the overall economy of Eve, first opinion would be not much if honest. CCP would not do this as PLEX is current is the current buffer to real monies and in theory should compensate for real life inflation. was pretty hard to follow.
Ummm, yeah, not sure tbh with that one nüè
I think what I was trying to convey was that PLEXES are the link to real life currency and as not an economist, not sure as to what the effect in Eve would be of CCP selling them/buying them in certain stations at fixed price like skill books/tag as understand a lot of ISK is introduced by people buying plexes and selling them for ISK. Thinking about it not sure there would be much effect.
I think one of the consequences of this however could possibly be more peeps travelling around with them to take the risk of selling them for a premium in other stations more maybe.
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GsyBoy
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:40:00 -
[189] - Quote
Also normal traders (my obseravation as only a samll time buy low/ sell high trader) don't trade with PLEXES, margins too tight, may as well trade in something else. Only brought by the big tycoons and relisted at inflated prices or peeps saving in the hope of increase in prices by the big tycoons. |
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Heavy Industries
77
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Posted - 2014.03.28 15:49:00 -
[190] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
If you are not paying to play...why would CCP care? You are basically ranting to us that it is unfair that you cannot play the game for free. |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1230
|
Posted - 2014.03.28 16:28:00 -
[191] - Quote
Ha ha... PLEX is a scam. |
Flybiere
F'n'F Inc
16
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:38:00 -
[192] - Quote
Plexers are their own problem. HTFU.
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Bumsicle Wedgie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.03.28 16:47:00 -
[193] - Quote
Scrubs be having to work harder?
Go scrubs. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1057
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:05:00 -
[194] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 2 billion, I'm buying one, you may as well just let it go up there faster
I want to be able to buy at least 2 carrier with my hard earned money
people not subscribing like me should work harder to play for free
thanks Harry YouTube - Tumblr - Facebook - Twitter |
Ralen Zateki
Nexis.
166
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Posted - 2014.03.28 18:17:00 -
[195] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Can I has yer stuff? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14599
|
Posted - 2014.03.28 18:36:00 -
[196] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.
LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral. If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower.
ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game)
1 Kings 12:11
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20299
|
Posted - 2014.03.28 18:49:00 -
[197] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game) WeeellGǪ I wonder how significant it is. I mean, most faucets and sinks are measured in tens of billions a day, so it would require lots of cancellations and reasonably large wallets to start to measure up. I don't quite remember what the average wallet looks like GÇö it was something along the lines of 2bn last I heard(?), so you'd need a dozen or two of those to cancel every day for it to measure up.
But then, EVE is dyingGäó, so it's obviously in the trillions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
250
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:02:00 -
[198] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Last Wolf wrote:We need an isk sink(s) that effects everyone, unavoidably. Or at least make the reward for the sink enough that a significant amount of people put a significant amount of isk into it. We have those: taxes and NPC sell orders. With the ESS, we also have LP stores making an impact on null. Everyone is affected, and by all accounts, the faucet-to-sink ratio is currently pretty much where it should be.
As a frequent trader I would like to see the tax rate go back down to 1%. So much ISK I see disappearing from my wallet. |
Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
56
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:19:00 -
[199] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:By far the largest ISK sink is the LP stores.
LP conversion consumes approximately as much ISK as is generated by all mission bounty & rewards. In terms of "inflation", missioning is essentially neutral. If you separate them as more discrete blocks, then yes. If you lump them up into main source, then I still believe NPC sell orders edges ahead, with skill books being roughly on the same levels as LP, and blueprints being maybe a third lower. ISK on inactitve accounts is also a very economically significant ISK sink (depending on how rigorously you want to define the term; since the velocity of ISK on active accounts is zero, then for purposes of economic effect, it has left the game)
Inactive accounts also take a lot of tangible goods out of the market(which causes inflation).
Overall, I expect that the two effects will cancel out. |
Biomecca
The New Eden School of trade xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3
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Posted - 2014.03.28 19:31:00 -
[200] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Hang on dude, are you complaining about a game being free right now? |
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Dray Cil
Dragonfire Industries Weyr Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:28:00 -
[201] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Just in case the implication of that isn't entirely clear, that means that people like me - not mega rich, just with some liquid ISK - buy PLEX not to use for subs but as a "reserve currency". Naturally this puts a lot of upward pressure on prices, because lots of players want a safe, easy way to protect the value of their wallets.
The US dollar has enjoyed a similar effect in the real world.
Thanks for giving everyone this idea and inflating the price even more. poopyhead.
o.O
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
250
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:30:00 -
[202] - Quote
Dray Cil wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just in case the implication of that isn't entirely clear, that means that people like me - not mega rich, just with some liquid ISK - buy PLEX not to use for subs but as a "reserve currency". Naturally this puts a lot of upward pressure on prices, because lots of players want a safe, easy way to protect the value of their wallets.
The US dollar has enjoyed a similar effect in the real world. Thanks for giving everyone this idea and inflating the price even more. poopyhead.
Well if you were already doin this then you should be happy. Just sell when it gets to 750mil |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
646
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Posted - 2014.03.28 21:22:00 -
[203] - Quote
Plex can be used for ;
Multiple Character Training , Ship Painting, Game Time, transferring characters between accounts and resculpting your characterGÇÖs physical appearance, Exchange for Aurum, Get tickets to events and live streams, Plex for Good etc etc etc
THEREFORE
Plex will Never decrease in value, it won't stop at 1 Bil, it'll go up endlessly, very slowly but surely.
There's just too many things Plex can be used for now.... Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Sumerias
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 21:42:00 -
[204] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
I guess, if all nice consumer products such as nice cars, nice drinks, nice houses, nice techs, nice clothes, nice MMORPG's, etc. would be given away for totally free, well, I guess in that case we all soon would "end up feeding the ducks and the pigeons in the parks" because of the lack of any interesting/entertaining/likable alternatives to enjoy in pour spare times, since no producers would exist anymore enthousiastically investing their time & money in creating any of those nice consumer products we enjoy so much(!) "This is the way of the world, my son (phrase of Morgan Freeman, as I recall correctly)".
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hellokittyonline
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
93
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:34:00 -
[205] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels. The reason plex prices are so high is because casual PvE nets too much income. So it's a give and take, you either get to plex your account or you get an isk faucet.
I predict that if the rewards for incursions and missions were readjusted (by removing the raw isk rewards and increasing the loot and LP) there would be much less inflation and plex prices would be much lower.
The reason CCP will not make this change is because giving more LP would just make LP rewards worth less and the only other option would be to give more loot but that can be stolen (gotta keep bubblewrapping dem bears). |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14753
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:42:00 -
[206] - Quote
Dray Cil wrote:Malcanis wrote:Just in case the implication of that isn't entirely clear, that means that people like me - not mega rich, just with some liquid ISK - buy PLEX not to use for subs but as a "reserve currency". Naturally this puts a lot of upward pressure on prices, because lots of players want a safe, easy way to protect the value of their wallets.
The US dollar has enjoyed a similar effect in the real world. Thanks for giving everyone this idea and inflating the price even more. poopyhead.
Well go buy some now and benefit from the inevitable bubble.
1 Kings 12:11
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1105
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Posted - 2014.03.28 22:48:00 -
[207] - Quote
Don't worry at 450...500...600...650....700...750 supply will overcome demand and the price will go down.
Economics will definitely start to work at 750. Maybe. |
Rising Valhalla
Valhalla Asgard Helgafjell
0
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:01:00 -
[208] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Dear CCP,
When PLEX hits 750m per, I'm done. You may as well just remove it from the game and make subscription the only model.
Nothing can be accomplished in-game on a casual schedule to PLEX anymore. Incursions, ratting, mining, missions. Feels like it is becoming a full-time job just to break even without really progressing.
If 750 happens I will skill out my remaining time and will not return until PLEX has returned to normalcy... reasonable levels.
Dear CCP,
Can I have his stuff too. ......
Or
Dear CCP and Marketeer's,
Please let it rise to 7.5B isk so i can laugh my ass off when this whiner keeps playing. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
284
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:02:00 -
[209] - Quote
Peter Raptor wrote:Plex can be used for ;
Multiple Character Training , Ship Painting, Game Time, transferring characters between accounts and resculpting your characterGÇÖs physical appearance, Exchange for Aurum, Get tickets to events and live streams, Plex for Good etc etc etc
THEREFORE
Plex will Never decrease in value, it won't stop at 1 Bil, it'll go up endlessly, very slowly but surely.
There's just too many things Plex can be used for now....
Not true. Eventually it will hit a point where people will not wan tto pay, as they would rather fork out real money, or just not need the service. What point will this be? who knows, but eventually people will be like "hell no I ain't paying 10b to train an alt' When that happens prices will stagnate then fall. That's how commodities work. Untill then the plex bubble (for that is what it is a bubble) will grow. But it will eventually pop and crash. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
89
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:08:00 -
[210] - Quote
Tajic Kaundur wrote:Just going to point this out:
At 1 billion per PLEX, you're looking at 33 million a day to play EVE.
I can make around 500K ISK per hour manufacturing a single tech 1 module. I have 10 lines running things with similar or greater rates of return. No, seriously, Isk Per Hour is showing me an average return of 670K per line.
That's 6.7M an hour.
That's 160.8M a day.
That's significantly more than 33M a day. I only need to run 3 lines to make more than 33 million ISK a day.
If you can't take the effort to make a single freighter run- not even far, just two or three jumps- and make 5 billion ISK a month- I'm not entirely sure if you deserve the luxury of playing off your ISK in the first place.
Making 33 million a day is not hard. PLEX aren't even 1 billion ISK yet. At 750M you only need 25M per day. That's nothing. That's a single tick of ratting in null, which requires less setup money than a freighter run.
You can literally buy your PLEX for 20-30 minutes a day.
If that's not casual play, 20-30 minutes a day at most, I have no idea what is. You don't even need to do it daily, spend three hours on the weekend or something, whatever. ISK is not hard to get.
Why have you kept all this to yourself and didn't share it with you fellow Brave Newbies?
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1218
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:09:00 -
[211] - Quote
I think the price will stabilize at 1B at the end of the year. Edit signature? What's the point? |
Tara Akiga
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:12:00 -
[212] - Quote
So what?..I make 300m isk/h...I don't care. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5108
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:15:00 -
[213] - Quote
hellokittyonline wrote:The reason plex prices are so high is because casual PvE nets too much income. So it's a give and take, you either get to plex your account or you get an isk faucet.
I make far more ISK from flipping PLEX on the market than from casual PvE. Thus I would suggest that the reason PLEX prices are so high is because they can be bought and sold on the market, and furthermore they can be hauled between markets.
Gotta have money to make money. The corollary is that the people with more money make more money. Thus the people who already have 36 PLEX on the market are doing more to raise the price of PLEX than the people scraping together 700M ISK a month to play the game for "free".
If you're not keen on the idea of setting yourself the goal of raising that ISK each month, you have two options: one is to pay your account subscription using real money, the other is to buy a boat load of PLEX and join the trading club. Well, there's always "quit the game" but that doesn't help anyone.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2558
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:22:00 -
[214] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote: I make far more ISK from flipping PLEX on the market than from casual PvE.
Who do you think is buying the PLEX you flip?
Edit: That's not a snipe on you. Some people have the brains and patience to work out an investment plan within EVE, and can make mad isk from it.
Most do not, and those are the people who spend their game time grinding enough isk to buy your PLEX. The fact that they are generally so lazy that they can't be bothered to change their market venue for the lowest price speaks volumes. Their laziness is what allows you to move PLEX about and make any profit at all. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2558
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:30:00 -
[215] - Quote
Peter Raptor wrote: it'll go up endlessly, very slowly but surely.
Incorrect.
It will stall somewhere around the maximum theoretical monthly isk income of the typical missioning player that uses PLEX to keep their account going. It hasn't hit this yet, so it hasn't equalized. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5108
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:35:00 -
[216] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Don't worry at 450...500...600...650....700...750 supply will overcome demand and the price will go down.
Economics will definitely start to work at 750. Maybe.
When the value of a PLEX goes up, the number you need to sell to meet your monthly 2B PvP budget goes down. As PLEX value goes up, I expect to see the number of PLEX sold per original purchaser go down. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5109
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:36:00 -
[217] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Peter Raptor wrote: it'll go up endlessly, very slowly but surely.
Incorrect. It will stall somewhere around the maximum theoretical monthly isk income of the typical missioning player that uses PLEX to keep their account going. It hasn't hit this yet, so it hasn't equalized.
I disagree. IMHO the market value of PLEX will keep spiralling upwards due to speculators.
The play-to-pay folks will start quitting, paying a 12 month subscription and filling in months with PLEX where they can, or get smarter about making ISK. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Rainbow Dash
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2014.03.29 00:53:00 -
[218] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Don't worry at 450...500...600...650....700...750 supply will overcome demand and the price will go down.
Economics will definitely start to work at 750. Maybe.
You clearly don't understand economics |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4598
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Posted - 2014.03.29 02:37:00 -
[219] - Quote
I'm seriously considering logging in to the game for a change and seeing if I can somehow work this to my advantage.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Desimus Maximus
Adeptus Mechanicus.
53
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Posted - 2014.03.29 06:48:00 -
[220] - Quote
PenguinJim wrote:The fact is as said CCP have NO influence on Plex prices.. Its completely player controlled.
As if CCP doesn't seed markets with items.. or have a full-time staff member whose job is to manipulate the markets... CCP fucks with the market all the time. To sit and believe that it is all player driven is ridiculous. You think Somer actually has a supply line of ships? Ships that take anywhere from 4 days to 2 weeks to build, EACH.. and they are flowing out like water. CCP would NEVER interfere with the market. They wouldn't give one-offs to their ISK-sucking entity with the caveat of "please, don't tell anyone, ;). Thx for removing billions of ISK from the market by the hour." |
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
256
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Posted - 2014.03.29 09:03:00 -
[221] - Quote
Yeah I have stocked up a lot of PLEX I only play EVE sporadically now. Plex will break 1bn by the end of this year easily, as the game dies and becomes more of a PVE focused WOW grind fest plex will only climb higher.
The end game of EVE is not going to be who holds the most SOV, the winner will be decided by which individual char has the most PLEX and this will only drive the price through the roof towards the end. |
IDGAD
The Scope Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:39:00 -
[222] - Quote
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yeah I have stocked up a lot of PLEX I only play EVE sporadically now. Plex will break 1bn by the end of this year easily, as the game dies and becomes more of a PVE focused WOW grind fest plex will only climb higher.
The end game of EVE is not going to be who holds the most SOV, the winner will be decided by which individual char has the most PLEX and this will only drive the price through the roof towards the end.
So it's who runs the most C6 with a very active team, or who runs the most FW missions right? Because everything else is laughably low isk by comparison. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
52
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Posted - 2014.03.29 11:50:00 -
[223] - Quote
IDGAD wrote: So it's who runs the most C6 with a very active team, or who runs the most FW missions right? Because everything else is laughably low isk by comparison.
When it comes to isk farming, nothing, I literally mean nothing beats or even comes close to Cap escalations. FYI, when 5% of the Eve players generate +20% of the new isk in game; you're in the wrong line of work. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
176
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:24:00 -
[224] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:PenguinJim wrote:The fact is as said CCP have NO influence on Plex prices.. Its completely player controlled.
As if CCP doesn't seed markets with items.. or have a full-time staff member whose job is to manipulate the markets... CCP fucks with the market all the time. To sit and believe that it is all player driven is ridiculous. You think Somer actually has a supply line of ships? Ships that take anywhere from 4 days to 2 weeks to build, EACH.. and they are flowing out like water. CCP would NEVER interfere with the market. They wouldn't give one-offs to their ISK-sucking entity with the caveat of "please, don't tell anyone, ;). Thx for removing billions of ISK from the market by the hour."
Somer can buy those ships right off the market you idiot, of course he has an unquenchable flow of basic, widely available commodities |
Dyniss
Burning Skies Apocalypse Now.
25
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:46:00 -
[225] - Quote
All I hear is a bunch of people crying. Seriously 750mil per plex is nothing. If you can afford to spend at least 20-30 minutes a day in a months time then go get a job and pay for your sub normally. |
Bob Bedala
43
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:05:00 -
[226] - Quote
Victor Andall wrote:CCP is not responsible for PLEX prices on the market.
What? Yes, yes it is, just not directly. CCP manipulates the price of PLEX down with plex offers (increasing supply), and up with super new ways to use plex like dual-char training (increasing demand). The Eve market is more of a free market than any market on earth AFAIK, but this "it's a completely player-driven market" myth that get espoused is exactly that, a myth, and PLEX is one of the more obvious examples.
The price of plex hits CCP's real-world bottom line, of course they monitor and massage the prices. Higher PLEX, more attractive for CCP's bottom line in the short-term but... I'm no economist, but surely this leads to inflation -- CCP let players print ISK which can only devalue the currency if unchecked, no?
The real question is what is happening with inflation? What is an ISK actually worth now? Are levels of inflation making things very tough for new players to get a toe-hold financially? All this talk of meaningful PI profits, incursions and nullibearing are not available to a lot of players -- probably not to the majority of players. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1074
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:14:00 -
[227] - Quote
Before, CCP tried to stabilize the price of PLEX but releasing massive stockpiles from banned accounts.
Now they obviously decided to stop doing that.
So here is what happens : Prices go up. Because CCP didn't intervene for once. So stop whining because CCP did what they were supposed to do: let the sandbox run. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking.
Proposed change for ECM - Not chance based - not max target reduction based |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1351
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:38:00 -
[228] - Quote
Altrue wrote: So stop whining because CCP did what they were supposed to do: let the sandbox run.
CCP controls every parameter of this sandbox, it's silly to pretend they don't control the result.
It's equally stupid to assume that CCP manipulating PLEX prices requires any intervention in the PLEX market itself - If CCP decided to make npcs target heavy drones tomorrow then PLEX prices would drop. |
Thellorms Nor'Fein
Lone Rangers
56
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:55:00 -
[229] - Quote
Went looking for more information/theory/speculation related to the increase of PLEX prices, and instead found another reason why I hate posting on the forums (yet here I am, but certainly not as an OP). The EVE community is downright brutal and I except nothing less than unsympathetic ears and throat slitting, backed up by the attitude of "Why should we care?" This is why I'm getting more into another Sci-Fi game (with less a community as roughly described above) at the moment and spending less time in EVE. Not a soul will miss me, and frankly, I really don't care.
I'm equally as concerned as the OP and a handful of others here as to what this means for the future. Yep, it's a squeeze and I've felt it to, having taken the hit and canceled all my second character trainings. As a more casual player not accustomed to the practices others are claiming is making them billions in a couple of days, the increasing price of PLEX doesn't bode well for players like me who play this game casually without access (yet) to an incursion group or whatever else is making the big money (and you can take your math figures and shove them up your...).
To the OP, I commend your bravery making this post in the first place. As for me, having spend 10 years in this game between my accounts and feeling that CCP has consistently not delivered on the promise of their visions throughout the years (add a couple new ships, some modules, rebalance a few other ships, make a change to this here, and let's call that an expansion!) is effectively spelling the end for me soon. But this is a matter for another topic and thread, so... I feel your pain, best of luck, and let's hope we eventually see things level out to a more manageable level soon (more PLEX sales would really help I think, and it's not like it hurts CCP's wallet at all!) Ahh, Jita... - http://i.imgur.com/UHGT4xc.jpg |
Daedalus Hades
EVE-RO
2
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:12:00 -
[230] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:Altrue wrote: So stop whining because CCP did what they were supposed to do: let the sandbox run.
CCP controls every parameter of this sandbox, it's silly to pretend they don't control the result. It's equally stupid to assume that CCP manipulating PLEX prices requires any intervention in the PLEX market itself - If CCP decided to make npcs target heavy drones tomorrow then PLEX prices would drop. I see what you did there :) |
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Heinel Sidewind
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
19
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:47:00 -
[231] - Quote
I think higher PLEX prices will be better for the game. If anything, newbies who start with just one account wouldn't be at such a huge disadvantage against people with 5-10 accounts. If running 3+ accounts become unsustainable, then the playing field would be about even. |
Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:52:00 -
[232] - Quote
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yeah I have stocked up a lot of PLEX I only play EVE sporadically now. Plex will break 1bn by the end of this year easily, as the game dies and becomes more of a PVE focused WOW grind fest plex will only climb higher.
The end game of EVE is not going to be who holds the most SOV, the winner will be decided by which individual char has the most PLEX and this will only drive the price through the roof towards the end.
Your negativity and delusions of failure are based on pure speculation and fear as you cited no credible facts to substantiate your claims. Where is the basis for your predictions?
I really doubt people will play this game purely for PVE. End game dies my arse. Have you considered the source of the PLEX market???
You might be right or wrong, but you need to provide more basis for your argument. Right now its a Straw Hut on Fig leaf in the middle of Tsunami.
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:22:00 -
[233] - Quote
800 million in belle right now Pog mo thoin |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
520
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:34:00 -
[234] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:800 million in belle right now
yeah but half a dozen @ 670mill sell in Hakshma just 10 minutes ago
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
637
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:15:00 -
[235] - Quote
No Idea what you are talking about, Plex prices look to have risen only by -ú1 I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
1073
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:19:00 -
[236] - Quote
CCP i demand that you do something to lower the price of PLEX so I can continue to play for free or else I will cancel my subscriptions and stop playing for free.
Your move CCP! "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Baron Chauman
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
13
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:54:00 -
[237] - Quote
Heinel Sidewind wrote:I think higher PLEX prices will be better for the game. If anything, newbies who start with just one account wouldn't be at such a huge disadvantage against people with 5-10 accounts. If running 3+ accounts become unsustainable, then the playing field would be about even.
Higher plex prices will not accomplish this. As long as you can fund one account on plex doing things that don't require much attention or active effort from the person behind the keyboard (mining or null ratting with afk ishtars) you can fund any number of accounts by doing the same thing on all of them. Multiple character training makes this even cheaper and more convenient. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1774
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:55:00 -
[238] - Quote
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:CCP i demand that you do something to lower the price of PLEX so I can continue to play for free or else I will cancel my subscriptions and stop playing for free.
Your move CCP!
You can play EVE for free? SWEET! When can we start? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
246
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:16:00 -
[239] - Quote
it's really simple... PLEX will reach a point where people won't purchase it and that's where the prices will stop. People will have loads of plex on storage or will purchase new plex to get ISK for and will sell lower to get those isks.
Supply and Demand, remember that the new Barbie dress up minigame for coloring spaceship was added recently and people purchase plexes to paint their ships and produce higher quality of tears when they'll lose them. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:21:00 -
[240] - Quote
Of course CCP is already looking for the prices of PLEX. And for the rest of the market.
And of course its in CCPs interest to keep the PLEX prices high, forcing ppl to buy them with real money. CCP has professionals looking over the markets.
coloring the own spaceships and let ppl pay for that is a smart move. |
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Battlingbean
Perkone Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:22:00 -
[241] - Quote
Since apparently it is so easy to make ISK that you all are willing to overpay for PLEX, I am accepting donations to help free you of your excessive ISK. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
246
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:25:00 -
[242] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:Of course CCP is already looking for the prices of PLEX. And for the rest of the market. And of course its in CCPs interest to keep the PLEX prices high, forcing ppl to buy them with real money. CCP has professionals looking over the markets. coloring the own spaceships and let ppl pay for that is a smart move.
having HIGH plex price in game defeats its purpose.
Lets say I pay my sub for EVE with real $$ then CCP made from my sub only 14.99$ but if I had purchased a plex from the market then CCP would have made from my sub 19.99$ so in theory not paying with plex makes CCP lose money so it will be in their best interest to makes plex prices high enough but not in way that will make players not purchasing it. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:34:00 -
[243] - Quote
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:La Rynx wrote:Of course CCP is already looking for the prices of PLEX. And for the rest of the market. And of course its in CCPs interest to keep the PLEX prices high, forcing ppl to buy them with real money. CCP has professionals looking over the markets. coloring the own spaceships and let ppl pay for that is a smart move. having HIGH plex price in game defeats its purpose. Lets say I pay my sub for EVE with real $$ then CCP made from my sub only 14.99$ but if I had purchased a plex from the market then CCP would have made from my sub 19.99$ so in theory not paying with plex makes CCP lose money so it will be in their best interest to makes plex prices high enough but not in way that will make players not purchasing it.
PLEX in the market are PLEX that where already sold to other players. CCP will gladly take your 14.99$, since they spend the other money already. PLEX are some "credits" given to the market. CCPs main task would be that players would prefer to buy for RM than for ISK. PLEX is already the way to shorten your career. If i have enough money i buy PLEX and sell them to get my equip faster. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
247
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:38:00 -
[244] - Quote
Well but if we all just paid with real $$ and people will sell plex on the market who will purchase it? and in such theoretical low demand won't prices get low to such a point everyone again will start purchase plex?
as I've said.. supply and demand. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
521
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:44:00 -
[245] - Quote
Battlingbean wrote:Since apparently it is so easy to make ISK that you all are willing to overpay for PLEX, I am accepting donations to help free you of your excessive ISK.
I actually do often have excess ISK after plexing characters and paying the bills and if there is no obvious investment prospects will occasionally throw plex at a multi-training alt to skill it up a bit rather than let the ISK just sit round. Donating large amounts of ISK to other people however is bad for them, ISK is not that hard to come by.
Also this recent ISK hike is a matter of perspective:
MAKE IT LOOK WORSE: Hey 12 months ago you could plex for 6 billion a yaer and now it it takes 9 Billion. MAKE IT SOUND BETTER: Who cares the price increase over the last few months i s just a measly 3 million ISK a night.
Just like real life its a mattter of spin you want to put on it.
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
247
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:46:00 -
[246] - Quote
Hasikan Miallok wrote: MAKE IT SOUND BETTER: Who cares the price increase over the last few months i s just a measly 3 million ISK a night.
Just like real life its a mattter of spin you want to put on it.
3 mill a night? you do L1s or something? "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
521
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:51:00 -
[247] - Quote
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote: MAKE IT SOUND BETTER: Who cares the price increase over the last few months i s just a measly 3 million ISK a night.
Just like real life its a mattter of spin you want to put on it.
3 mill a night? you do L1s or something?
The price has gone up 90 mill or so over last few months. PLEX last 30 days.
Hence to PLEX now versus a few months ago you need to make an extra 3 mill a night. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20306
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:54:00 -
[248] - Quote
What a gyp.
They're only at 701 and there are thousands of them. Where's the screaming demand for 800M PLEXes I was promised? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
247
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:59:00 -
[249] - Quote
Tippia wrote:What a gyp. They're only at 701 and there are thousands of them. Where's the screaming demand for 800M PLEXes I was promised?
you were misled.
I would say missed the train should have got them for 500-600 mill and sell them now for 700-720 mill. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1219
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:05:00 -
[250] - Quote
I stil have PLEX from the times when they have been for 360M ISK. Edit signature? What's the point? |
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Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
110969
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Posted - 2014.03.29 22:26:00 -
[251] - Quote
For the first time in months I've used rl money to sub... Normally I just plex my obscene amount of accounts...
I'm not using my *cough* hard earned isk *Cough* on plex that pricey...
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Kaivar Lancer
Biological Mechanical Unlimited
493
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:00:00 -
[252] - Quote
So glad I bought mine at 550m (still got a bunch hanging around).
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Motorbit
Moira. Villore Accords
34
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:27:00 -
[253] - Quote
all plex come from players that turn real money into isk.
i would not turn 15$ into 700m Isk. and i bet you wouldnt neither, considering the fact you dont even want to turn 15$ into 30 days gametime.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2116
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Posted - 2014.03.30 00:34:00 -
[254] - Quote
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:La Rynx wrote:Of course CCP is already looking for the prices of PLEX. And for the rest of the market. And of course its in CCPs interest to keep the PLEX prices high, forcing ppl to buy them with real money. CCP has professionals looking over the markets. coloring the own spaceships and let ppl pay for that is a smart move. having HIGH plex price in game defeats its purpose. Lets say I pay my sub for EVE with real $$ then CCP made from my sub only 14.99$ but if I had purchased a plex from the market then CCP would have made from my sub 19.99$ so in theory not paying with plex makes CCP lose money so it will be in their best interest to makes plex prices high enough but not in way that will make players not purchasing it.
Not even close to accurate. Having a high plex cost increases the incentive for those people who buy GTC for real $$$ to sell on the market. These are the people that CCP loves because they are spending the real world money.
By the time plex is in game CCP already got their money. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2565
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:11:00 -
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Guys guys guys I think this may be the day eve is dying. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1528
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Posted - 2014.03.30 06:46:00 -
[256] - Quote
I don't get why people are willing to grind away for a PLEX to keep playing EVE so they can do it again next month. That's why I pay with the traditional subscription model. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
52
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:20:00 -
[257] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:I don't get why people are willing to grind away for a PLEX to keep playing EVE so they can do it again next month. That's why I pay with the traditional subscription model.
This really depend on how you make isk |
arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
254
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:21:00 -
[258] - Quote
I heard plex is 3.5b on serenity. Sounds real.
No reason to keep it so low here. Hope plex will rise at least to 1b. Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1528
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:22:00 -
[259] - Quote
arabella blood wrote:I heard plex is 3.5b on serenity. Sounds real.
No reason to keep it so low here. Hope plex will rise at least to 1b.
If PLEX prices reach 1b they might learn the difference between whining and complaining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csPPqdbcVwM Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5135
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Posted - 2014.03.30 08:41:00 -
[260] - Quote
Ah crap, time to fire sale before they drop further! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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gomlee
NorCorp Security The Unthinkables
5
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Posted - 2014.03.30 09:12:00 -
[261] - Quote
Shederov Blood wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its half speculation, half ship painting, and half that 10% discount they ran. You win at math!
you should google common core 2+2=5. |
xavier69
Stark Enterprises LLC
28
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Posted - 2014.03.30 20:30:00 -
[262] - Quote
To all those that claim ccp doesn't control the market that's a BIG FAT LIE. Actually CCP is mostly to blame for this mess and its dumb choices over the past 3 years.
CCP destroyed this games economy when it released PI.
Robotics went from 7k to 60k in one day. The prices of the items made with this resource did not increase to cover the cost. This destroyed a good sector of the T2 production community there are countless offline pos now in game to prove my point. Hell after CCP epic blundering the morons decided to change game mechanics to make blowing up offline pos a viable career path to help fix its mistake.
The skyrocketing price of PLEX is clearly the preamble to the end. When nobody will pay the price for PLEX its a sub game. when CCP cant make enough $$ off subs guess what its a FREE TO PLAY Game or its gone.
CCP you have constantly told your players this motto "evolve or die" time to take your own medicine go Free to play or die very soon.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4771
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Posted - 2014.03.30 22:55:00 -
[263] - Quote
I bought a PLEX today.
I needed to pull my null transport pilot out of mothballs for some stuff. Set a skill to training. JF5@29 days to complete.
So I'm thinking, I just paid 700M for 1 skill.
When you think of it like that it does seem a little expensive, I suppose.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
505
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Posted - 2014.03.31 13:13:00 -
[264] - Quote
Derath Ellecon wrote:Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:La Rynx wrote:Of course CCP is already looking for the prices of PLEX. And for the rest of the market. And of course its in CCPs interest to keep the PLEX prices high, forcing ppl to buy them with real money. CCP has professionals looking over the markets. coloring the own spaceships and let ppl pay for that is a smart move. having HIGH plex price in game defeats its purpose. Lets say I pay my sub for EVE with real $$ then CCP made from my sub only 14.99$ but if I had purchased a plex from the market then CCP would have made from my sub 19.99$ so in theory not paying with plex makes CCP lose money so it will be in their best interest to makes plex prices high enough but not in way that will make players not purchasing it. Not even close to accurate. Having a high plex cost increases the incentive for those people who buy GTC for real $$$ to sell on the market. These are the people that CCP loves because they are spending the real world money. By the time plex is in game CCP already got their money. well, it is actually cheaper to buy GTC then convert in plex then activate said plex than paying the sub.
sub: 15Gé¼ / month 1 PLEX: 20Gé¼ 60 days GTC: 35$ (25Gé¼) |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5659
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:11:00 -
[265] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I bought a PLEX today. I needed to pull my null transport pilot out of mothballs for some stuff. Set a skill to training. JF5@29 days to complete. So I'm thinking, I just paid 700M for 1 skill. When you think of it like that it does seem a little expensive, I suppose. Mr Epeen
It's 700 mil to fly a ship that costs as much as 7 carriers that can both use gates as well as jump vast distances while carrying enough stuff to fuel a small war for a couple months. I'd say 700 mil is a deal for that. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5659
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:18:00 -
[266] - Quote
Adoris Nolen wrote:masternerdguy wrote:I don't get why people are willing to grind away for a PLEX to keep playing EVE so they can do it again next month. That's why I pay with the traditional subscription model. This really depend on how you make isk
Exactly. A plex is one good drop from a DED plex or an evening of incursion running (which happens for me frequently as the wife works nights).
Why wouldn't you trade one night of game playing (while damn near butt nekkid and drinking bear) for 29 'free' nights of butt nekkid beer drinking game playing? |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.31 14:18:00 -
[267] - Quote
xavier69 wrote:To all those that claim ccp doesn't control the market that's a BIG FAT LIE. Actually CCP is mostly to blame for this mess and its dumb choices over the past 3 years.
CCP destroyed this games economy when it released PI.
Robotics went from 7k to 60k in one day. The prices of the items made with this resource did not increase to cover the cost. This destroyed a good sector of the T2 production community there are countless offline pos now in game to prove my point. Hell after CCP epic blundering the morons decided to change game mechanics to make blowing up offline pos a viable career path to help fix its mistake.
The skyrocketing price of PLEX is clearly the preamble to the end. When nobody will pay the price for PLEX its a sub game. when CCP cant make enough $$ off subs guess what its a FREE TO PLAY Game or its gone.
CCP you have constantly told your players this motto "evolve or die" time to take your own medicine go Free to play or die very soon.
Then let's revive the destroyed economy!
TINFOIL HATS! NEW AND USED TINFOIL HATS FOR SALE ONLY NINE NINETY NINE!!
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Eto Tekai
Basgerin Pirate SCUM.
57
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Posted - 2014.03.31 15:19:00 -
[268] - Quote
I can't be the only one who is letting one of my accounts lapse due to the high prices.
That leads to less ships being bought, less people out and about creating content.
Every time I hear they are adding something else that utilizes the plex I cringe. You guys can argue all day about paying for your sub, but I pay for 2 and plex one, and have for years now.
This will do damage to the game, and the players online tally will continue to dwindle until plex are reasonable again. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.03.31 16:48:00 -
[269] - Quote
Eto Tekai wrote:I can't be the only one who is letting one of my accounts lapse due to the high prices.
That leads to less ships being bought, less people out and about creating content.
Every time I hear they are adding something else that utilizes the plex I cringe. You guys can argue all day about paying for your sub, but I pay for 2 and plex one, and have for years now.
This will do damage to the game, and the players online tally will continue to dwindle until plex are reasonable again. As it did every time people whined about high prices.
I, for one, am happy to buy GTCs to turn into ISK! :D
Anyhow ... I agree that highsec and faction warfare need to be nerfed, just so people who can only read the upper line of this sentence have something to rage about.
I really need to fix my gigantic forehead. |
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