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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:21:16 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567 But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients). Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.
This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software.
Multiboxing is not against the rules. Read the OP again.
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
106
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:21:29 -
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LOL @PLEX market crashing btw Too bad I just bought some this morning -.- |
Zechariah Jericho
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:21:48 -
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Guys the toxic is getting high Was in the middle of showing a friend this game, got to general discussion "what's that?" >>> 6 minutes later he decides he doesn't want to play because of our community and how badly we're reacting to the news that people cannot play the way they want to.
last words of the discussion were (and I quote) "Some sandbox, lets just go play LoL" |
Radkiel
Everlasting Vendetta.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:21:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mharius Skjem wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned. Well that's clear as mud. Well that was a CSM post, the Dev post is the one that I am interested in. That made it pretty clear IS boxer is banned. They didnt ban IS boxer, just everything it does
Not everything |
Kronarn
Dirty Old Bastards Nulli Secunda
24
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:22:11 -
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This is interesting. I know a few people who mine with 20+ clients using ISBOXER, there is no way anyone will mine with 5 maybe 10 accounts or more without a tool to help such as ISBOXER, now the question is, will they quit eve seeing as they only mine?
Will the cost of capitals go through the roof again? Will the cost of all things go through the roof.
Looking forward to seeing the outcome of the end result here.
I use ISBOXER at times to mine ice (10 accounts) and I don't think I could be bothered managing 10 clients to mine ice or ore, that would be so painful
I also don't plex my accounts, I don't have enough time to make 10b a month just to be able to login, I pay for everyone of them.
Really love the new strategy of CCP, I genuinly hope this does what they intend it to do and it's not a negative backlash to the subscriber base. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1100
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:22:21 -
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Zechariah Jericho wrote:Guys the toxic is getting high Was in the middle of showing a friend this game, got to general discussion "what's that?" >>> 6 minutes later he decides he doesn't want to play because of our community and how badly we're reacting to the news that people cannot play the way they want to.
last words of the discussion were (and I quote) "Some sandbox, lets just go play LoL" This is a lie.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:22:39 -
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What part of "it doesn't matter nhow the broadcasting or multiplexing is accomplished" was unclear to you?
It's really not that difficult to understand ladies and gentleman. If you press 1 key and 1 client responds you're fine. If you press one key and more than one client responds, you're ******.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:22:45 -
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I suppse one off my friends going to unsub 28 accounts when he see this. lol. Well, He got other games he can sub to that allows this. so, Yeah. Also i got 2-3 other friends that proably also.. Dam, all the People i know who multibox're Nice... lol, if this going to make them quit. Idk what to do then.. Well, abount total 60 accounts across them all. so, Yeah.. (just facts tho, but idk what to say) it's allways possible that i missread something here. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5532
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:22:46 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Mierin Arthie wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard? for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch That would be keyboard multiplexing. The definitions in the OP are pretty clear.
No, KVM switch is just that - a switch. It connects you to one computer at a time, not multiple.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
239
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:22:58 -
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Zechariah Jericho wrote:Guys the toxic is getting high Was in the middle of showing a friend this game, got to general discussion "what's that?" >>> 6 minutes later he decides he doesn't want to play because of our community and how badly we're reacting to the news that people cannot play the way they want to.
last words of the discussion were (and I quote) "Some sandbox, lets just go play LoL" And? If he can't understand how awfully detrimental to the game it is to have people single-handedly manning giant fleets of ships, then well...I guess we're better off without him?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
13337
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:23:01 -
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Good call. And also good to see that you still allow some room for certain things (login in this case).
/c
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Daneel Trevize
Faster Path Than of Light Exiles
518
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:23:08 -
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Better late than never, CCP. GJ, finally. |
Dustpuppy
Rox Inc
21
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:23:21 -
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KeeperRus wrote:I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly.
Easy.
Multiple accounts, multtiple clients, all logged in from the same machine / IP address, all payed with plex, using the same fitting, following the same commands without delays, sitting in the same system and in a lot of cases running more than 2-3 clients at the same time.
It's like spotting a fish swarm within an area where only individual/single fish float around.
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Astroyka
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
149
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:23:40 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Big +1 on the decision, but I'm worried it doesn't go far enough. People will just purchase more screens, and manually control multiple accounts. It'll be harder, surely, but it's still viable to manually control a 10 ship tornado gank fleet or procurer mining fleet. The only sure way to get rid of multiboxing, and entitle everyone equally to the actions of one character at a time, is to get rid of multiboxing entirely.
Running multiple accounts should not be removed, it has its place. Human control of multiple accounts is fine with me, software control of multiple accounts is not.
Simply put, human error will creep in and that's good for EvE.
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Apo Lamperouge
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:23:54 -
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Fiberton wrote:Hrm so Mining goods are about to sky rocket. Ok so I have never used one of these things you speak of but even I after over 10 years in the game know that this is a terrible idea. So when you are making decisions did you consult an accountant? You realize that you are prob going to reduce CCP income about 3M a year just from logins who will drop accounts that are used for that sort of thing ? Ok not to tell you guys how to run a company but just flying around for so many years and knowing persons who use that.. At least 5% of eve is just miners on isboxer. Good luck on driving into a brick wall or whatever you dudes do.. Phobe great idea. this.. I would consult an accountant.
Just like every other "you do this CCP and I swear to god i will unsub" and "....everyone will unsub" post that goes up with every change.
Some changes I don't like. Jump drive changes. Don't like em. But dealing with it.
How many of the 50,000 people who swore on their collection of awesome nintendo controllers actually did?
Less than 1% I'd wager.
This change? LOVE IT!!!! GO GO ISBOXER BOMBER BAN!
So go ahead, unsub, can I haz yer lewts and all that. Bye bye and bye bonds.
Don't let the space dock door hit you in the ass on the way out scrub.
Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.
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Mildew Wolf
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:24:27 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
316
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:24:49 -
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Gina Taroen wrote:lol wonder how many people will quit because of this :D
None of the ones that care about the game.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
239
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:03 -
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baltec1 wrote:So honest question here. Is this rig still legit or is it also banned?
Quote:We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.
Christ, why are you people so bad at reading?
"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:05 -
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can anyone help me put my foot in my mouth? I cant seem to reach... |
Jack Harvey
Iron Inquisition No Safe Haven
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:09 -
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This topic is very interesting. There is a phrase/concept called 'round robin' where the user (for example) presses F1, and then the software is sequenced to the next client. So he hits F1 again and it broadcasts to the second client. Because the broadcasts aren't simultaneous, it appears that you can rapidly hit F1 and still be within the rules laid out. Will be interested to see how a lot of the niche questions are addressed! |
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RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc.
455
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:22 -
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Zechariah Jericho wrote:Guys the toxic is getting high Was in the middle of showing a friend this game, got to general discussion "what's that?" >>> 6 minutes later he decides he doesn't want to play because of our community and how badly we're reacting to the news that people cannot play the way they want to.
last words of the discussion were (and I quote) "Some sandbox, lets just go play LoL" pff seems legit. LoL community is famous to be tolerant and newbie welcome.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
318
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:29 -
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marly cortez wrote:The Sandbox ....What can be will be......except when we decide it's not to be. Compliments of CCP...
You don't understand the term sandbox.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Colin Wilson
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:30 -
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Querns wrote:Do you really think that people subscribing with PLEX somehow deny CCP a sale? People who PLEX their accounts are just paying with someone else's money. CCP gets theirs no matter what. In fact, every account sustained via PLEX grosses CCP 33% MORE money than the same account kept alive with a traditional subscription, due to PLEX costing $20 (compared to the traditional sub costing $15.)
I don't know why this is so had to understand for so many. While the buyer and seller PLEX markets are obviously tied together by the isk transferring, the buying of PLEX by the sellers and the consuming of PLEX by the account PLEX'ers are effectively independent, other than the PLEX sellers needing to buy more if the price drops or less if the price increases. The loss of EVE players not paying a sub fee or using PLEX will not translate into a material loss of revenue for CCP. |
Odysseus Rhodes
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:38 -
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Warr Akini wrote:I've had a good suicide ganking run, but the wave of nerfs against it don't seem to be stopping anytime soon.
Thanks. It's been fun.
Best tears ... ever.
See ya!
Don't let the door hit ya in the ass! |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:55 -
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Kronarn wrote:This is interesting. I know a few people who mine with 20+ clients using ISBOXER, there is no way anyone will mine with 5 maybe 10 accounts or more without a tool to help such as ISBOXER, now the question is, will they quit eve seeing as they only mine? Will the cost of capitals go through the roof again? Will the cost of all things go through the roof. Looking forward to seeing the outcome of the end result here. I use ISBOXER at times to mine ice (10 accounts) and I don't think I could be bothered managing 10 clients to mine ice or ore, that would be so painful I also don't plex my accounts, I don't have enough time to make 10b a month just to be able to login, I pay for everyone of them. Really love the new strategy of CCP, I genuinly hope this does what they intend it to do and it's not a negative backlash to the subscriber base.
I've manually mined with 8 accounts. I could see myself going to 10, but no more. |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
239
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:59 -
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Querns wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Big +1 on the decision, but I'm worried it doesn't go far enough. People will just purchase more screens, and manually control multiple accounts. It'll be harder, surely, but it's still viable to manually control a 10 ship tornado gank fleet or procurer mining fleet. The only sure way to get rid of multiboxing, and entitle everyone equally to the actions of one character at a time, is to get rid of multiboxing entirely. This will probably never happen. This game is pretty much impossible to play on any meaningful level without multiboxing. It really is not, but people are not willing to rely on specialised friends to do what you "can easily do with an alt".
"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka
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Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
832
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:27:08 -
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Do we still get a Christmas gift from CCP this year, or is this it?
+1
Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul
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Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
919
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:27:17 -
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XXXMina wrote:this is not right, you cant change the rules after 10 years, i got 5 accounts because it made sense with how the game is. now i cant use what little automation i take advantage of (just pressing the f keys ) . also jump fatigue and jump range change suxx: this is a space sim, way to clip our wings.
PS: im unsubbing all my accounts . you have till my 3 month sub runs out to fix this game.
I multibox Jump Freighters. If I can take the latest changes to Eve in stride then so can you. Man up.
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Ginger Barbarella
2036
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:27:28 -
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Zechariah Jericho wrote:Guys the toxic is getting high Was in the middle of showing a friend this game, got to general discussion "what's that?" >>> 6 minutes later he decides he doesn't want to play because of our community and how badly we're reacting to the news that people cannot play the way they want to.
last words of the discussion were (and I quote) "Some sandbox, lets just go play LoL"
There's a reason I don't discuss cap warfare: I don't know d!ck about it. You and your friend clearly don't have a clue. Perhaps you should consider not discussing the concept of "sandbox" as it applies to this world.
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
474
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:28:09 -
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The rage, the smug, the self important CSM posts, it's all to much to take in. |
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