You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:

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I set up a few xml files to multibox in eve without using broadcast or multiplex.
and i gave them to a few pilots plus ccp so they can see how we multibox.
one pilot of those got banned using this setup.
the others dont got a ban.

now tell me on what basis is ccp banning?

note: the xml files save the setup isboxer uses. so you can copy that setup from one to another pc.
there are no macros or else.

How can CCP tell if people are doing this. Well they can monitor your computer for programs which allow these modifications but almost every computer will have some sort of program that can do it.

There is also the matter of people claiming they are being banned for being to efficient or good. What better way for CCP to detect 'dashboard' set ups. In a video of a multi-boxer I saw him activate the guns on 8 (may be 10) clients and the Remote Reps on his 2 logis all in the space of approx 3-4 secs. That is not possible unless you have a 'dashboard' set up. This would be fairly simple for CCP to monitor.

You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.

There is also the matter of people claiming they are being banned for being to efficient or good. What better way for CCP to detect 'dashboard' set ups. In a video of a multi-boxer I saw him activate the guns on 8 (may be 10) clients and the Remote Reps on his 2 logis all in the space of approx 3-4 secs. That is not possible unless you have a 'dashboard' set up. This would be fairly simple for CCP to monitor.

You have to understand that CCP saying its ok to use program X, does not mean its ok to use program X to break the EULA/TOS.
You have to understand that CCP can choose not to enforce the EULA. They did this a few years ago when the head of CCPs security came on the forums and said cache scrapping broke the EULA/TOS.

So if they catch someone with a 'dashboard' set up they can ban them. If they then come across someone using the exact same program to obscure parts of the UI on their live stream, CCP can choose not to ban them.

I see 2 possibilities straight away (I'm sure there are more)
1. They are getting round to banning the rest.
2. The one guy who got banned changed the set up or was also doing something else.
I'm more than happy to enter a discussion with anybody in an attempt to stop people being banned inadvertently but I have no interest in people who are only looking for an argument.

They can't monitor my programs. or do they use some strange backdoor to give user started processes admin rights on windows?

I have 10 boxes.
i have a 120 key keyboard. free programmable.
i have my first row setup to F1 each box individually.
For example. F1 is activating F1 on Box 1. F2 is activating F1 on Box 2. and so on.
this way i can fire within one second all boxes. without using broadcast. without using macros without automation. just using my ten fingers. tell me. do i violate the eula?

You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played..

Today I Learned: Asking someone to back up or support a statement they made is a Very Bad Thing. News at 11.

Input Broadcasting's Unfair Advantage:
Normal Fleet 20 people- FC" primary is 123 everyone target 123 primary 123." 20 people have to find 123 and target then point and attack. roughly 5 seconds maybe less or more for all 20 to target him.

Multi box fleet- Turn on input broadcast all target 123. All do this with in milliseconds from each other.

Huge gain in this as you can see you dont have to rely on others to target as you know that 90% of the time all 20 will target that guy.

Round Robin:
Round robin does send 1 command to 1 client but at will send that command as fast as you can click or activate that shortcut. So you can send 1 command to 20 accounts seperetly yes but with in milliseconds.

Huge gain as a normal fleet will some times take 1 to 5 seconds yet again to activate the modules.


Honestly if you used the Input Broadcasting and Round Robin features there should be no argument on why they banned it. The argument is for them to be more open about whats now allowed.

EULA 7-D You agree to let them monitor your game hardware. If they actually do or not is a different matter.

Yes you are. Specifically the bit I quoted earlier.

[quote=6-2]You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played..

By agrreing to the eula you allow CCP to monitor your gaming hardware. Whether they actually do or not doesn't matter.

The third party program would be the program that lets you use F1 on client 1 whilst F2 goes to client 2. The eve client on its own doesn't allow you to do that.

A third party program is any program that is not part of the eve client. So your operating system would be classed as a third party program form the perspective of Eve's eula. That does not mean your operating system breaks the eula or that it should result in you being banned just for using it. It does not mean you are aloowed to use it to break the eula either though.

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CCP CANT... it is not a matter of allowing. you cant scan something where windows dont gives you permissions to. get that into your skull.

They can. You say they can't. Look at Blizzard. They use Warden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_%28software%29
You down load the game you accept the EULA and they are now allowed to run what they need most likely installed during the initial install.

Indeed since you can easily opt out by not playing the game it's legal in the USA at least.

Sorry not true. See you can't break laws. No matter if I agree or not

CCP CANT... it is not a matter of allowing. you cant scan something where windows dont gives you permissions to. get that into your skull.


Would be windows 7 in my case then.


pretty weird huh? windows can get you banned :)

We get the message from ccp, that input multiplexing and broadcasting is banable.
we multibox without and still might get banned <--- THAT is the problem
no we dont have interpreted the eula in another way. we just dont do that what falcon posted.
we dont broadcast, we dont use macros, we dont multiplex.

just one command. with one finger. to one box.
nothing more. that is not macroing, it is not broadcasting.
it is called typing. with 10 fingers.ffs

is ccp going to reglement the usage of fingers now?

That others got doing the same, meaning "Some people are more equal than others". Clearify whats allowed and whats not, should be easy. As others says CCP knows what you are doing, at least they keep saying that, talk to us, give us a clear statement.

None of the Petitioned question is beeing answered on Team security on fan fest.

nice ccp. ignoring us again.

16:00 - CCP Security - Better Safe Than Sorry!
In the security roundtable you will have the chance to ask questions regarding the security presentation and about all things security in CCP and EVE Online.

Posting this at 15:18 (the presentation was in its first 20 minutes by that time), while there's:
You did'nt jump to that opportunity?

Not all of us have over 2 grand to drop on tickets + a flight to Iceland. If CCP's only going to listen to people who shuck out $2k and ask in person, I've got some bad news for this game...

I'm also stuck @ home. But I don't complain when I don't have the chance to ask myself @ Fanfest, I ask those that are there to ask questions on my behalf. And it actually worked. Maybe C. should've tried that instead of complaining before the roundtable started.