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Intar Medris
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.09 14:41:22 -
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Lady of Enterprise wrote:The game is on the wane, and the banning of people using automation to run multiple accounts has seen the population drop from consistent 50,000 + players, to less than 30,000. Despite what bs CODE. / Goonswarm want to preach, people have left the game since this ban has been put in place.
Why?
Some of the best content of the game is not doable w/o several people or several accounts. There are always more people out there interested to build and explore alone, then there will be who wish to be forced into groups with a-holes that most people would not give the time of day to.
Those solo players have to be provided a rich game experience also, or they will not stay, and they have not. Who wants to be in a game where you constantly reminded that if you don't join a group of scum to get access to the best parts of the game, then one never will?
Work on that problem first, start unlocking the good game content to solo players.
A lot of the decline has to do with with the ban on input broadcasting. Most of them that did it ran missions or mined. You don't need multiple people to mine or run missions. Only purpose multi boxing serves there is to earn more ISK per hour. It wasn't uncommon to come across 10 man mining fleet controlled by one person using ISBOXER. They would wipe clean whole systems in just a couple hours. To be honest it was getting quite ridiculous. You had one with HUNDREDS of accounts that mined ice. He wipe while ice belts in an hour or less making 10,000,000,000s ISK a DAY IN HIGH SEC! If EVE needs a bunch ISBOXERs to stay alive, which it doesn't, then it's already dead.
Do yourself a favor and get out of the NPC corp. Most player corps are quite friendly. It's only the ELITE PVP corps that are typically ran by assholes, and even then there are some very nice PVP corps out there.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6935
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Posted - 2015.11.09 17:52:21 -
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Intar Medris wrote:A lot of the decline has to do with with the ban on input broadcasting. Most of them that did it ran missions or mined. You don't need multiple people to mine or run missions. Only purpose multi boxing serves there is to earn more ISK per hour. It wasn't uncommon to come across 10 man mining fleet controlled by one person using ISBOXER. They would wipe clean whole systems in just a couple hours. To be honest it was getting quite ridiculous. You had one with HUNDREDS of accounts that mined ice. He wipe while ice belts in an hour or less making 10,000,000,000s ISK a DAY IN HIGH SEC! If EVE needs a bunch ISBOXERs to stay alive, which it doesn't, then it's already dead.
Do yourself a favor and get out of the NPC corp. Most player corps are quite friendly. It's only the ELITE PVP corps that are typically ran by assholes, and even then there are some very nice PVP corps out there. You do realise that the crazy high account ISBoxer players were very rare right? And even without ISBoxer there are people running 20-30 account groups, because mechanics in EVE are stupidly easy. It's definitely not uncommon to come across 10 man fleets run by one dude now. Pretty much go to any ice belt in highsec at the right times.
Also, the ISK they made might seem high if you get your isk from solo running missions, but traders make more for less effort and require less characters to plex, and there's loads of them. So if you problem is people making loads of isk in highsec, where's your posts to get trading banned? I question your 10b isk/day from ice mining too, since that would mean that the player mined a minimum of 20 complete ice belts in a day with no competition and without destroying their own profit margins by shifting that much ice constantly.
The truth is EVE doesn't need ISBoxer to survive, but it's just another playstyle destroyed. It doesn't "need" ganking, missioning or exploration to survive either, but removing them just limits what people can do, which is bad.
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
242
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Posted - 2015.11.09 19:01:05 -
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Lady of Enterprise wrote:The game is on the wane, and the banning of people using automation to run multiple accounts has seen the population drop from consistent 50,000 + players, to less than 30,000. Despite what bs CODE. / Goonswarm want to preach, people have left the game since this ban has been put in place.
Why?
Some of the best content of the game is not doable w/o several people or several accounts. There are always more people out there interested to build and explore alone, then there will be who wish to be forced into groups with a-holes that most people would not give the time of day to.
Those solo players have to be provided a rich game experience also, or they will not stay, and they have not. Who wants to be in a game where you constantly reminded that if you don't join a group of scum to get access to the best parts of the game, then one never will?
Work on that problem first, start unlocking the good game content to solo players.
what content is only available to groups other than incursions that need such a fleet that a single person with 2-3 accounts can not do on there own? |
Intar Medris
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
243
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Posted - 2015.11.10 15:15:50 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Intar Medris wrote:A lot of the decline has to do with with the ban on input broadcasting. Most of them that did it ran missions or mined. You don't need multiple people to mine or run missions. Only purpose multi boxing serves there is to earn more ISK per hour. It wasn't uncommon to come across 10 man mining fleet controlled by one person using ISBOXER. They would wipe clean whole systems in just a couple hours. To be honest it was getting quite ridiculous. You had one with HUNDREDS of accounts that mined ice. He wipe while ice belts in an hour or less making 10,000,000,000s ISK a DAY IN HIGH SEC! If EVE needs a bunch ISBOXERs to stay alive, which it doesn't, then it's already dead.
Do yourself a favor and get out of the NPC corp. Most player corps are quite friendly. It's only the ELITE PVP corps that are typically ran by assholes, and even then there are some very nice PVP corps out there. You do realise that the crazy high account ISBoxer players were very rare right? And even without ISBoxer there are people running 20-30 account groups, because mechanics in EVE are stupidly easy. It's definitely not uncommon to come across 10 man fleets run by one dude now. Pretty much go to any ice belt in highsec at the right times. Also, the ISK they made might seem high if you get your isk from solo running missions, but traders make more for less effort and require less characters to plex, and there's loads of them. So if you problem is people making loads of isk in highsec, where's your posts to get trading banned? I question your 10b isk/day from ice mining too, since that would mean that the player mined a minimum of 20 complete ice belts in a day with no competition and without destroying their own profit margins by shifting that much ice constantly. The truth is EVE doesn't need ISBoxer to survive, but it's just another playstyle destroyed. It doesn't "need" ganking, missioning or exploration to survive either, but removing them just limits what people can do, which is bad.
That's ice. Try managing those those same 10+ accounts in a standard high sec belt. Most rocks will last only 2 cycles before becoming depleted. Quite the handful without isboxer.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6935
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Posted - 2015.11.10 15:53:08 -
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Intar Medris wrote:That's ice. Try managing those those same 10+ accounts in a standard high sec belt. Most rocks will last only 2 cycles before becoming depleted. Quite the handful without isboxer. Generally you are mining ice, as that's where the efficiency is best.
Even with ore though, it's not actually too difficult to control. I know because I historically have run 20 accounts with no ISBoxer (I didn't feel the ISBoxer sub costs were worth the benefit). As long as you have something to tile your clients so you can rapidly swap between them (eve-o preview for example) then it's really not much effort. Bear in mind that a cycle is like 90-100s or something in a maxed skiff with boosts. 18 miners, 1 booster, 1 hauler, assuming that 2 cycles is a rock gone, you need to change rocks and unload into the hauler 18 times every 3 minutes. With a huge amount of ease you can keep everyone cycling and still have enough idle time to play sleeping dogs.
The thing you miss though is that even with ISBoxer, you have to target each client individually, otherwise you'll get a huge problem with them all targeting the same rocks and killing each others efficiency. The only benefits ISBoxer had is it allowed you to undock together (my solution, never dock) open all your cargo holds, and turn on defenses together (my solution, bind all of my keys close to each other then headbutt the keyboard for each client once at the start) and shift cargo from the miners to the hauler (the only real benefit and as mentioned above, really not a big deal since you're manually targeting each anyway). The real truth is that manually multiboxing has always been more efficient for mining than broadcasting until you get get to 30-40 clients because broadcasting promoted lazyness which reduced efficiency.
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Globby
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
282
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Posted - 2015.11.18 14:44:52 -
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I'm glad CCP finally punished the cheaters, +1 CCP I'm with you all the way on this change. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6938
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Posted - 2015.11.18 16:41:31 -
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Globby wrote:I'm glad CCP finally punished the cheaters I fully agree, getting rid of those hyperdunk cheaters was a good call.
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Arcano Dentist
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Phoenix Company Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.11.22 13:54:53 -
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Is there one guy dominating the universe with 100 boxed accounts? No. Do you come across one guy running a gate camp with 20 boxed ships? No. Most multiboxers are mining or Ratting. Fact. So why does this bother people? |
Marsha Mallow
2746
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Posted - 2015.11.22 22:00:09 -
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Arcano Dentist wrote:Is there one guy dominating the universe with 100 boxed accounts? No. Do you come across one guy running a gate camp with 20 boxed ships? No. Most multiboxers are mining or Ratting. Fact. So why does this bother people? The same applies to bots. Explain the difference please.
Knowing they have more SP than I do isnGÇÖt going to stop me from taking the fight if I was going to take it.
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
250
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Posted - 2015.11.23 01:08:20 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Arcano Dentist wrote:Is there one guy dominating the universe with 100 boxed accounts? No. Do you come across one guy running a gate camp with 20 boxed ships? No. Most multiboxers are mining or Ratting. Fact. So why does this bother people? The same applies to bots. Explain the difference please.
there isnt one other than one breaks the eula. |
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6939
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Posted - 2015.11.23 14:47:53 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Arcano Dentist wrote:Is there one guy dominating the universe with 100 boxed accounts? No. Do you come across one guy running a gate camp with 20 boxed ships? No. Most multiboxers are mining or Ratting. Fact. So why does this bother people? The same applies to bots. Explain the difference please. Well the main difference is efficiency. A bot can sustain 100% efficiency continuously for as long as it runs. A broadcaster will find his efficiency per character drops quite drastically. Up to about 30 characters a broadcasting miner for example will actually find his efficiency below that of a manual multiboxer.
Another pretty big difference is that most larger scale botters do so to generate isk for RMT, while multiboxers tend to do it for the enjoyment. Botters will also be less likely to be seen in massive smartbombable blobs. I mean think about it, that big group of 20 characters all mining together, they get reported constantly by people who don't like them so they are under heavy scrutiny. That one guy here, one guy a region over, another 5 jumps from that, far less scrutiny. Bots don't needs to be grouped as each one thinks for itself. I'd wager that far more individual "solo" characters are bots than behemoth groups.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6521
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Posted - 2015.11.30 21:36:23 -
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Eleven months later & people are still bitching about this. And I thought I had problems.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6943
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Posted - 2015.12.01 08:32:57 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Eleven months later & people are still bitching about this. And I thought I had problems. Well they haven't really done much else worth talking about to be fair. It's basically this and sov.
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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2015.12.06 12:27:22 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Eleven months later & people are still bitching about this. And I thought I had problems.
Amen. I'd like to see this discussion remove from the number one spot in GD. There is literally no point in keeping it. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6527
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Posted - 2015.12.09 03:21:44 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Eleven months later & people are still bitching about this. And I thought I had problems. Well they haven't really done much else worth talking about to be fair. It's basically this and sov.
I hear they also banned the goblin from here because he went full Trump mode. You could post about that.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6950
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:20:44 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Eleven months later & people are still bitching about this. And I thought I had problems. Well they haven't really done much else worth talking about to be fair. It's basically this and sov. I hear they also banned the goblin from here because he went full Trump mode. You could post about that. Haven't heard a thing about it, sorry bro. I'm pretty much just waiting for CCP to announce their near full attention on VR and their phasing out of historic new eden content.
Anyway, FF7 is out once again now though so all else is irrelevant.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6538
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Posted - 2015.12.09 22:10:47 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Eleven months later & people are still bitching about this. And I thought I had problems. Well they haven't really done much else worth talking about to be fair. It's basically this and sov. I hear they also banned the goblin from here because he went full Trump mode. You could post about that. Haven't heard a thing about it, sorry bro. I'm pretty much just waiting for CCP to announce their near full attention on VR and their phasing out of historic new eden content. Anyway, FF7 is out once again now though so all else is irrelevant.
Enjoy paying hundreds of dollars for a remake of the same crappy game you played 17 years ago.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6950
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Posted - 2015.12.10 17:46:32 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Eleven months later & people are still bitching about this. And I thought I had problems. Well they haven't really done much else worth talking about to be fair. It's basically this and sov. I hear they also banned the goblin from here because he went full Trump mode. You could post about that. Haven't heard a thing about it, sorry bro. I'm pretty much just waiting for CCP to announce their near full attention on VR and their phasing out of historic new eden content. Anyway, FF7 is out once again now though so all else is irrelevant. Enjoy paying hundreds of dollars for a remake of the same crappy game you played 17 years ago. Well at the moment I'm enjoying paying -ú9 to play the exact same game I played 17 years ago, with trophies! Thanks!
I'm a massive FF7 nerd though so as long as the remake isn't too ruined I'll probably pay and extortionate amount of money for whatever super special edition they do. I've bought like 3 copies on the PS1, a couple on the PC, and the Ps3/Vita one and such over the years. I'm such a nerd I even have the limited edition FF7 vinyl, twice (one to play and one to stay pristine).
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Globby
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
295
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Posted - 2015.12.13 17:55:26 -
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+1 CCP I wholeheartedly agree with these changes. |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
788
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Posted - 2015.12.13 18:33:16 -
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Globby wrote:+1 CCP I wholeheartedly agree with these changes. Only about a year late but I'm sure they appreciate your +1.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6953
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Posted - 2015.12.13 21:17:12 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Globby wrote:+1 CCP I wholeheartedly agree with these changes. Only about a year late but I'm sure they appreciate your +1. He does it every month or so. I think he sped up when they took away his hyperdunking exploit cos now he all mad.
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Random User83
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.12.15 12:18:50 -
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Still doing VG's just fine. Still Mining with my fleet of 12 just fine. I had to upgrade my PC to run 12 clients in windowed mode, but VG's are easy. 2 logi on one screen, 8 DPS on the other. No boxing, No broadcasting needed. easy peasy. Mining is just listening for asteroid depleted and alt tabbing through to find the one with no lazer cycling. Especially like the new launcher that lets you fire off 12 accounts at once without having to log in to each one individually +1 CCP!
I'm a strong independant alt that don't need no main...
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Globby
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
304
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Posted - 2015.12.30 21:10:40 -
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thank goodness ccp changed this. im glad all the input cheaters are gone. THANKS CCP!! |
Kaeto
M. Corp Engineering Executive Outcomes
0
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Posted - 2016.01.24 20:09:14 -
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still isn't clear if keyboard macros are allowed? can I set my keyboard macro button to recall drones, set max speed, activate afterburner with one press?
the only mention I find in the eula ( http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/ ): "You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."
recalling drones, set max speed, and activate afterburner does not facilitate rank or status at an accelerated rate.
Also in the beginning post of this thread: "Input Automation refers to actions that are commonly also referred to as botting or macroing. This term is used to describe, but is not limited to, the automation of actions which have consequences in the EVE universe."
does my example have consequences in the Eve universe? I would say no? They say "is not limited to", where can we find exactly what is included? The only reference in the EULA to macros is what I posted above. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
869
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Posted - 2016.01.26 17:20:15 -
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Kaeto wrote: can I set my keyboard macro button to recall drones, set max speed, activate afterburner with one press?
Yes, go to the escape menu ingame and set the short cuts there. I think they are already set by default but you can change them to a key that suits you better.
No need for any third-party programs CCP has a lot of basic shortcuts already available. |
CyPhiR
Fusion Dynamic
3
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Posted - 2016.01.28 11:00:54 -
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I have a suggestion and I just hope a Ccp Dev is reading ... All the arguments about what is and isn't legal according to the eula rules, why doesn't Ccp with all their brilliant staff and coders, just design their own multi boxing software. Hell, I'd rather use Ccp software than use something that might or might not get my account banned ... Ccp, please think about it because it's stupid little arguments like this that keep putting me off this game .. I love eve and my sp level shows that ... Please seriously consider making your own multi boxing software designed specifically for eve online. Thanks. Game on guys and keep up the good work. |
Masao Kurata
Perkone Caldari State
319
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Posted - 2016.02.08 13:29:41 -
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Wow, this thread is still open? |
GALACTIC SOUL
The Miners of EvE
0
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Posted - 2016.02.09 11:55:09 -
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CyPhiR wrote:I have a suggestion and I just hope a Ccp Dev is reading ... All the arguments about what is and isn't legal according to the eula rules, why doesn't Ccp with all their brilliant staff and coders, just design their own multi boxing software. Hell, I'd rather use Ccp software than use something that might or might not get my account banned ... Ccp, please think about it because it's stupid little arguments like this that keep putting me off this game .. I love eve and my sp level shows that ... Please seriously consider making your own multi boxing software designed specifically for eve online. Thanks. Game on guys and keep up the good work.
This does sound like a step in the right direction.
I think even just being able to link your accounts/clients in game in more user friendly way would be great.
For example in a fleet If I warp my clients to a gate I have to swap to every player and click "jump". It's annoying. But If I click a gate on each client I can select "warp and jump through gate". It would great to be able to warp my whole fleet and jump them all through gate. Same thing goes for docking my clients in station, Warp fleet and dock them all pls.
Another feature I would like to see for multiple clients is a follow command, so my client will follow my main like a pack of wolves behind me, jumping through gates and following me on missions. I would swap to the clients once mission or pvp location has been arrived at, I know auto pilot exists but it's slow, and you need to setup route on each client. Follow command would work for me here.
Generally speaking just make the game a bit more user friendly for multiple clients using little things like the above.
It would need some authentication token to create the link between accounts/clients, which would then link the characters. Allow those linked clients the follow command and upgraded fleet warp pls.
Rambling done. Good work CCP keep it up |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7174
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Posted - 2016.02.09 12:40:25 -
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Sounds like you're really going to hate it if CCP get around to putting in their fleet warp changes.
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GALACTIC SOUL
The Miners of EvE
0
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Posted - 2016.02.09 13:36:59 -
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Just found those fleet changes coming up, Yes I hate them. |
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