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Shadoroth
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:39:30 -
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Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned.
...That is actually more information than my current ISBoxer setup, with larger sizes in regards to the ore hold part, which is doable if I had one of those ultra-wide monitors. This rule is dumb. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
876
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:44:54 -
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Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned.
What makes you think its 'apparently' banned?
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Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:46:22 -
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Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned.
you cheating scumbag! how dare you overlay your windows. You are the scum that is ruining this game and something about ccp and isk buying amnesty... etc, etc. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7253
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:50:41 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned. What makes you think its 'apparently' banned? Using windows mode is not banned. Dude, that exact same layout - exactly the same - using any third party tools is banned, as it allows you to see the overview of the inactive windows. That means that it must also be banned to replicate the exact same thing without software. It also means that doing it that way will look no different from CCPs point of view. As they say on the blog, Quote:frankly we donGÇÖt care. If you get banned, then this is because the results of what you did and how you potentially gained from it manifested in our server-side logs
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Chalithra Lathar
Rhongomiant Legion Industries The Explicit Alliance
39
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:51:06 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote: What makes you think its 'apparently' banned?
Using windows mode is not banned.
dude read the blog
Quote: However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans.
We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules. It changes the way the game is played and grants the player unfair advantages over other players. For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows. Similarly, overlays using elements from a second or multiple other EVE clients to allow the player to activate modules etc. on those other game instances without switching to the other client windows are clearly in violation of our rules.
This is clearly a violation. This is the use of a third party software (Windows 7) to do exactly what is being described. |
Tokyo Drifter
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:52:01 -
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I consider this another ninja hi-secbuff. Incursions, Missions and other activities available for hi-sec scrubs don't require multiple clients to be profitable. Just remove nullsec if all you can do is shitting over it (You even removed fun by the mean of Fozzie Sov). People in hi-sec will now make more isk by doing brain dead level 4 in perfect security. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
876
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Posted - 2016.02.24 17:59:07 -
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Chalithra Lathar wrote: dude read the blog
I have and it doesn't say that. Using the ingame window mode does not give you an unfair advantage. Every player has access to those options.
Chalithra Lathar wrote:"However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans.
We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules. It changes the way the game is played and grants the player unfair advantages over other players. For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows. Similarly, overlays using elements from a second or multiple other EVE clients to allow the player to activate modules etc. on those other game instances without switching to the other client windows are clearly in violation of our rules."
This is clearly a violation. This is the use of a third party software (Windows 7) to do exactly what is being described.
Whilst is possible I missed the use of overlays in that screenshot. It didn't look like there were any in use. If no overlays are being used then it clearly is not a violation.
Using Eve's windowed mode is fine. Having multiple clients open is fine. |
Shadoroth
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:01:02 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote: dude read the blog
I have and it doesn't say that. Using the ingame window mode does not give you an unfair advantage. Every player has access to those options.[/quote]
Every player has access to ISBoxer too. Not every player has financial access to bigger/more monitors. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
154
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:11:27 -
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Removed a post and those quoting it for Discussing Forum Moderation.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:13:31 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:I have and it doesn't say that. Using the ingame window mode does not give you an unfair advantage. Every player has access to those options. Every player has access to ISBoxer too. Not every player has financial access to bigger/more monitors.
this is my biggest complaint. I play eve on a single monitor, why should my experience suffer? |
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
876
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:17:16 -
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Shadoroth wrote: Every player has access to ISBoxer too. Not every player has financial access to bigger/more monitors.
Use IsBoxer if you want. Or put each individual client on its own monitor, or use window mode. Eve-o preview is also an option. Just make sure if you do use a 3rd-party program you don't use it to break the EULA.
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Shadoroth
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:21:50 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Shadoroth wrote: Every player has access to ISBoxer too. Not every player has financial access to bigger/more monitors.
Use IsBoxer if you want. Or put each individual client on its own monitor, or use window mode. Eve-o preview is also an option. Just make sure if you do use a 3rd-party program you don't use it to break the EULA.
I would like to direct your attention here:
Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned.
with ISboxer, you can take those visible pieces of the other clients, and put them on a different part of your screen (not overlaying a different eve client). Like the example, you could also click that part of the screen, and it would focus on that client (just like in the example). The difference, however, is that with ISBoxer, there is no over-laying involved, yet with the example posted, the eve client repositioning, there IS overlay.
Therefore, the outrage is, what the actual hell is bannable, and what is not? |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
876
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:29:48 -
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Shadoroth wrote:I would like to direct your attention here: Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned. with ISboxer, you can take those visible pieces of the other clients, and put them on a different part of your screen (not overlaying a different eve client). Like the example, you could also click that part of the screen, and it would focus on that client (just like in the example). The difference, however, is that with ISBoxer, there is no over-laying involved, yet with the example posted, the eve client repositioning, there IS overlay. Therefore, the outrage is, what the actual hell is bannable, and what is not?
Read the devblog Point 4: "We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules. It changes the way the game is played and grants the player unfair advantages over other players. For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows. Similarly, overlays using elements from a second or multiple other EVE clients to allow the player to activate modules etc. on those other game instances without switching to the other client windows are clearly in violation of our rules."
Overlays using elements of clients (or pieces to use your terminology) is what breaks the EULA. Using windowed mode does notdo that. Stop believing all the wild rumours people are spreading. |
Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:32:54 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Shadoroth wrote: Every player has access to ISBoxer too. Not every player has financial access to bigger/more monitors.
Use IsBoxer if you want. Or put each individual client on its own monitor, or use window mode. Eve-o preview is also an option. Just make sure if you do use a 3rd-party program you don't use it to break the EULA. I would like to direct your attention here: Chalithra Lathar wrote:http://i.imgur.com/G8LGsj7.png
apparently this is banned, and CCP claims to have a way to 'detect' it. Don't use windowed mode (or desktop window manager) if you want to avoid being banned. with ISboxer, you can take those visible pieces of the other clients, and put them on a different part of your screen (not overlaying a different eve client). Like the example, you could also click that part of the screen, and it would focus on that client (just like in the example). The difference, however, is that with ISBoxer, there is no over-laying involved, yet with the example posted, the eve client repositioning, there IS overlay. Therefore, the outrage is, what the actual hell is bannable, and what is not?
the outrage is that people don't want to put anymore time / energy into playing a game if there is no certainty that we wont be banned.
Until yesterday, CCP has REPEATEDLY said ISBoxer is fine. So many of us have spent countless hours setting up our environments and building toons and devloping our play styles over the last years based on that information and now it just got yanked out of from underneath us.
That's my biggest complaint. This course reversal is CCP breaching their contract with their subscribers and now who the hell knows what's going to happen. |
Ran
Merhn Ghostly Fleet
0
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:39:45 -
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Hi,
What about last statement about ISBoxer?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5245807#post5245807
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Soltys
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:40:57 -
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The whole bullshit wording of eula is done deliberately so they (CCP) can do anything at any time as they see fit. If we followed this vague nonsense, anyone using Little Pirate's Helper or Evernus would have been banned on the spot.
What they should do is either rewrite this vague nonsense, or make an official, stickied, locked post with listed all 3rd party tools and sites which are allowed or which parts of them are allowed, e.g. which part of isboxer would be ok - despite their bullshit EULA clearly stating otherwise.
Jita Flipping Inc.: Solmp / Kovl
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
876
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:44:02 -
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Isboxer is not banned.
Certain aspects of the program will mean you break the EULA mainly the broadcasting and the videofx-dxnothing parts of it.
There is a sticky in general discussion about it if you want more details. |
Shadoroth
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:47:55 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Isboxer is not banned.
Certain aspects of the program will mean you break the EULA mainly the broadcasting and the videofx-dxnothing parts of it.
There is a sticky in general discussion about it if you want more details.
From my understanding, repeater pass-through of videoFX breaks EULA. VideoFX itself, as long as its not used in an overlay, should not break EULA, but it might because ~vagueness~ |
Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:53:45 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Isboxer is not banned.
Certain aspects of the program will mean you break the EULA mainly the broadcasting and the videofx-dxnothing parts of it.
There is a sticky in general discussion about it if you want more details. From my understanding, repeater pass-through of videoFX breaks EULA. VideoFX itself, as long as its not used in an overlay, should not break EULA, but it might because ~vagueness~
I would HOPE that this is correct, but I doubt it. waiting on CCP to be sure. but then again, they might say its okay this week and change their mind again in a few months. nothing is for sure with these guys. |
Sumo Sabezan
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
10
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:57:45 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Isboxer is not banned.
Certain aspects of the program will mean you break the EULA mainly the broadcasting and the videofx-dxnothing parts of it.
There is a sticky in general discussion about it if you want more details. From my understanding, repeater pass-through of videoFX breaks EULA. VideoFX itself, as long as its not used in an overlay, should not break EULA, but it might because ~vagueness~
As much as I wish they didn't outright ban passthrough, I could understand that as long as they still allow Video FX and not ban it entirely. Banning it entirely is just ridiculous. |
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
876
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Posted - 2016.02.24 18:58:19 -
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Shadoroth wrote: From my understanding, repeater pass-through of videoFX breaks EULA. VideoFX itself, as long as its not used in an overlay, should not break EULA, but it might because ~vagueness~
It does break the EULA as it changes the way the game is played. Each client should be playable as though it was the only client. By having elements of client ie; overview or HUD seperate you can't play that client without an additional client open.
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Shadoroth
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:01:04 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Shadoroth wrote: From my understanding, repeater pass-through of videoFX breaks EULA. VideoFX itself, as long as its not used in an overlay, should not break EULA, but it might because ~vagueness~
It does break the EULA as it changes the way the game is played. Each client should be playable as though it was the only client. By having elements of client ie; overview or HUD seperate you can't play that client without an additional client open.
Then having multiple monitors also breaks EULA, as having videoFX without repeater passthrough is just a cheaper alternative to having every account have its own monitor. |
Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:09:48 -
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Shadoroth wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Shadoroth wrote: From my understanding, repeater pass-through of videoFX breaks EULA. VideoFX itself, as long as its not used in an overlay, should not break EULA, but it might because ~vagueness~
It does break the EULA as it changes the way the game is played. Each client should be playable as though it was the only client. By having elements of client ie; overview or HUD seperate you can't play that client without an additional client open. Then having multiple monitors also breaks EULA, as having videoFX without repeater passthrough is just a cheaper alternative to having every account have its own monitor.
except that the 'clarification' calls out software, not hardware. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
876
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:10:18 -
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Shadoroth wrote: Then having multiple monitors also breaks EULA, as having videoFX without repeater passthrough is just a cheaper alternative to having every account have its own monitor.
Having multiple clients on multiple monitors is not the same as having elements of multiple clients grouped together on a monitor.
Read the devblog:We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules. It changes the way the game is played and grants the player unfair advantages over other players. For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows. Similarly, overlays using elements from a second or multiple other EVE clients to allow the player to activate modules etc. on those other game instances without switching to the other client windows are clearly in violation of our rules.
I've underlined the bit I'm reffering to.
Unless I've misunderstood and you are using videofx to place whole clients on a single monitor as in say 2 rows of 3 to have 6 clients up. If thats the case its fine, its using videofx to manipulate elements of a client that breaks the EULA. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7253
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:11:01 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Overlays using elements of clients (or pieces to use your terminology) is what breaks the EULA. Using windowed mode does notdo that. Stop believing all the wild rumours people are spreading. OK archibald, so what you are saying then is that this is OK, but this is not OK? And you think there's a strong enough distinction between the two to warrant the ruling and that CCP will be able to tell the difference?
See, we aren't spreading rumours, were simply pointing out how you can't ban one with the other.
Ed: Also still waiting on you providing a screenshot of your eve-o preview layout that you don;t think give you an advantage.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Sumo Sabezan
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
10
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:12:44 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Shadoroth wrote: Then having multiple monitors also breaks EULA, as having videoFX without repeater passthrough is just a cheaper alternative to having every account have its own monitor.
Having multiple clients on multiple monitors is not the same as having elements of multiple clients grouped together on a monitor. Read the devblog:We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules. It changes the way the game is played and grants the player unfair advantages over other players. For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows. Similarly, overlays using elements from a second or multiple other EVE clients to allow the player to activate modules etc. on those other game instances without switching to the other client windows are clearly in violation of our rules.I've underlined the bit I'm reffering to. Unless I've misunderstood and you are using videofx to place whole clients on a single monitor as in say 2 rows of 3 to have 6 clients up. If thats the case its fine, its using videofx to manipulate elements of a client that breaks the EULA.
You are missing the point. If you have 3-4+ monitors, you don't need all that fancy stuff because you have the screen space to have them all there. If you only have 1/2 monitors you have to split them up in order for it to at all be playable. If they ban pass-through, but allow videofx, then we just click on the window to focus the one we need. |
Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
16
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:13:23 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Overlays using elements of clients (or pieces to use your terminology) is what breaks the EULA. Using windowed mode does notdo that. Stop believing all the wild rumours people are spreading. OK archibald, so what you are saying then is that this is OK, but this is not OK? And you think there's a strong enough distinction between the two to warrant the ruling and that CCP will be able to tell the difference? See, we aren't spreading rumours, were simply pointing out how you can't ban one with the other.
i think what we are saying is that no one knows wtf is going on. its been nearly 24 hours and ccp hasn't made a single update. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7253
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:15:58 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Read the devblog:We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules. It changes the way the game is played and grants the player unfair advantages over other players. For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows. Similarly, overlays using elements from a second or multiple other EVE clients to allow the player to activate modules etc. on those other game instances without switching to the other client windows are clearly in violation of our rules.
I've underlined the bit I'm reffering to.
Unless I've misunderstood and you are using videofx to place whole clients on a single monitor as in say 2 rows of 3 to have 6 clients up. If thats the case its fine, its using videofx to manipulate elements of a client that breaks the EULA. I highlighted the part of your quote that explains why layered windows are not allowed, unless of course you are ignoring the fact that windowed clients can provide that intel without switching to them.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Koenig Yazria
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
12
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:16:38 -
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Som Boty wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Overlays using elements of clients (or pieces to use your terminology) is what breaks the EULA. Using windowed mode does notdo that. Stop believing all the wild rumours people are spreading. OK archibald, so what you are saying then is that this is OK, but this is not OK? And you think there's a strong enough distinction between the two to warrant the ruling and that CCP will be able to tell the difference? See, we aren't spreading rumours, were simply pointing out how you can't ban one with the other. i think what we are saying is that no one knows wtf is going on. its been nearly 24 hours and ccp hasn't made a single update.
They have, they have mentioned localization, streaming and on reddit to look at this thread. Lol |
Som Boty
Super Mother Fan Club
17
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Posted - 2016.02.24 19:18:23 -
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Koenig Yazria wrote:Som Boty wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Overlays using elements of clients (or pieces to use your terminology) is what breaks the EULA. Using windowed mode does notdo that. Stop believing all the wild rumours people are spreading. OK archibald, so what you are saying then is that this is OK, but this is not OK? And you think there's a strong enough distinction between the two to warrant the ruling and that CCP will be able to tell the difference? See, we aren't spreading rumours, were simply pointing out how you can't ban one with the other. i think what we are saying is that no one knows wtf is going on. its been nearly 24 hours and ccp hasn't made a single update. They have, they have mentioned localization, streaming and on reddit to look at this thread. Lol
yes, they said to watch this thread for an update. but there is no update. |
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