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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:05:38 -
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Kyttn wrote:"Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX."
Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here
7 aurum will become 1 plex.
so 1050 aurum is 150 plex.
They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6558
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:06:39 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Def Monk wrote:So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time?
One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX.
If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know.
EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This. Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not.
You will only be able to get game time in 30 day chunks.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Kyttn
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:09:10 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Kyttn wrote:"Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX."
Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here 7 aurum will become 1 plex. so 1050 aurum is 150 plex. They're ignoring aurum balances below 1000
Ah, I see. Thank you |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1505
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:10:17 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Cearain wrote:Querns wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.
- infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!
obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?
i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing. "We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex." This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time. On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing. CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time. Smaller amount for service could also be unrelated to game time. What if they decide to ask for 250 for character remodel because it so very little used now for example?
I agree it could mean that. But they specifically reference the time 30 days. And that suggests they will do smaller amounts of time.
Hopefully they won't do that. As you and I both agree they will lose allot of money if they do.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Eleonora Crendraven
Global Communications AG
108
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:11:02 -
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" The PLEX Vault will allow you to move PLEX safely throughout the universe rather than having to move it in a ship. It will still be possible to carry it in a ship like any other item if you want, so if you have an urge to fill a shuttle full of PLEX and tour low sec just drag PLEX out of the vault and into your cargo and youGÇÖre good to go.
We know how much you love it when ships blow up with piles of PLEX inside, we even might understand why, but, we also donGÇÖt want new PLEX users to be losing their PLEX before they can trade it because they didnGÇÖt know how to get to market safely."
I like people who have to move PLEX in a ship. I think I am not the only one. Moving around large amounts of cash should be risky. And a very good reason to use your brain.
So please, NOOOOO
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http://eveboard.com/pilot/Eleonora_Crendraven
GëíGïüGëí
"The prince of darkness is a gentleman. (3.4.148) "
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Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1505
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:13:27 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Def Monk wrote:So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time?
One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX.
If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know.
EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This. Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not. You will only be able to get game time in 30 day chunks.
That is far from clear from the actual public dev blog. Do you say this based on your csm discussions?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1505
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:16:05 -
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Sullen Decimus wrote:Allsales Final wrote:Sullen Decimus wrote:SIEGE RED wrote:Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? What do you mean "what"? It is all quite odd. Announce a game changing policy on an arbitrary Thursday afternoon and hope the impact is minimized? It was leaked. What information are you gathering that it was leaked. Point me to the evidence you are referencing.
It looks like the price of plex went up pretty sharply the last 3 days after holding steady for months.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3202
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:21:36 -
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Cearain wrote:Sullen Decimus wrote:Allsales Final wrote:Sullen Decimus wrote:SIEGE RED wrote:Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? What do you mean "what"? It is all quite odd. Announce a game changing policy on an arbitrary Thursday afternoon and hope the impact is minimized? It was leaked. What information are you gathering that it was leaked. Point me to the evidence you are referencing. It looks like the price of plex went up pretty sharply the last 3 days after holding steady for months.
Could be carrier/super raters getting more afktar online because they can't bother to be more active on their carrier/super.
Could be rorq pilots replacing their "nerfed into oblivion" rorq with a barge/exhumer fleet. |
Graz3r
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:25:32 -
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Firstly, CCP Seagull, you need a better hair do. It's not sassy enough.
This is just another way to put the full plex price out of control. It's hovering in the region of 1b to 1.2b. But the prices of all the items will go up, and thus cost more than a full plex.
Is this genuinely a cost control method, or just to stop bank robbers from controlling the market? Not sure any method ccp initiates will work in eve when it comes to cost control. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1299
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:27:29 -
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@Cearain @CSM guy and @Frostys Virpio
We'll honestly never know, plus I'm sure there's far bigger fish to fry for our Eve playing career / CSM
I think they should put the PLEX points in the wallet. Glad that Aurum is going away.. this is much simpler.
@lunettelulu7
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Nosum Hseebnrido
Interregnum.
13
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:28:38 -
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In my opinion, this change is simply stupid and unnecessary.
1 plex will equal 500 plex, with will equal 30 days.
So everyone who want to use it to extend sub will have to spend exactly same amount of ISK in order to get 500p and tranfer them into sub. Where is the logic? Just stop with this idiotic game 'simplification'.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido
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Roland Schlosser
Abyssal Heavy Industries
22
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:31:25 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Roland Schlosser wrote:After years of trying to kill the price of PLEX on the market, CCP has finally found a winning formula.
The only reason they're doing this is to make the barrier to subbing lower for those casuals they so desperately want playing EVE And this is bad how?
Casuals are always bad. |
SIEGE RED
The Darwin Initiative
0
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:32:07 -
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Cearain wrote:
It looks like the price of plex went up pretty sharply the last 3 days after holding steady for months.
That's one area. Take note of extractors. Volumes pulled. Injectors is always more tricky, thanks to the madness of Perimeter Trade Wars. There's a set of very interesting correlations, both through behavioural patterns as well as over the statistical analysis angle. When those get upset it's usually a good sign of a cleanup but that follows a very different softer curve. This is way more like previous incidents.
But as I said, who knows, could be CSM, some other avenue, maybe someone applied some finance bpm to CCP - whichever the case, in EVE it usually comes down to "help where's that SEC" |
Julian Aldurald
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
20
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:33:09 -
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I think this is a good change technically but I'd way prefer the PLEXto be presented in a less dominand way than in the items window like that.
Maybe in the character sheet or by the wallet but the items window is one of the core features you work with all of the time and having PLEX in there in such a dominant manner makes the game feel way more pay to win than it is actually trying to be. |
IcyMidnight
Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind
11
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:35:11 -
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Now that the NES store currency can be liquid and people can sell the excess, are you guys going to stop doing that disgusting thing of pricing the NES store items at values that are difficult to divide evenly into currency packs? |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3202
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:36:46 -
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Nosum Hseebnrido wrote:In my opinion, this change is simply stupid and unnecessary.
1 plex will equal 500 plex, with will equal 30 days.
So everyone who want to use it to extend sub will have to spend exactly same amount of ISK in order to get 500p and tranfer them into sub. Where is the logic? Just stop with this idiotic game 'simplification'.
Because it mean they can delete a currency from the game universe. Aurums are gone. Every service/items they sell will now sell for variable amount of PLEX. They can now implement services at a cost lower than a "full PLEX" without going through a separate currency. |
Unandi Nokana
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:37:46 -
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maybe somebody already pointed it out but:
Quote: We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days.
-snip-
Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.
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Jack Oat
Brothers In Arms. SOLAR FLEET
2
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:42:57 -
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Lets say i have 800 AUR Will i be able to exchange it for plex ?
Please make it possible. |
Nosum Hseebnrido
Interregnum.
13
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:45:14 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Nosum Hseebnrido wrote:In my opinion, this change is simply stupid and unnecessary.
1 plex will equal 500 plex, with will equal 30 days.
So everyone who want to use it to extend sub will have to spend exactly same amount of ISK in order to get 500p and tranfer them into sub. Where is the logic? Just stop with this idiotic game 'simplification'. Because it mean they can delete a currency from the game universe. Aurums are gone. Every service/items they sell will now sell for variable amount of PLEX. They can now implement services at a cost lower than a "full PLEX" without going through a separate currency. They could adjust how much aurum you get for one plex, and add game time token in to aurum store. Problem solve. No need to turn everything upsidedown.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
519
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:47:31 -
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So CCP are taking my 90 Aur and giving me nothing in return?
That was my pension fund you robbing bastards
Fear God and Thread Nought
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Nosum Hseebnrido
Interregnum.
13
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:47:40 -
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Jack Oat wrote:Lets say i have 800 AUR Will i be able to exchange it for plex ?
Please make it possible. No, you need at least 1000 AUR in order to get them transfer in to new plex system(with ratio 7:1).
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido
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Ben Ishikela
83
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:48:26 -
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Quote:For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX.
Does this mean a profit of 45 plex for odd numbers?
Ideas are like Seeds. I'd chop fullgrown trees to start a fire.
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Skully Luv
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:51:26 -
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If CCP wants more people to subscribe how about they respect existing subscribers and not short them when "specials" come out for new subs. |
nameloading
Excognative Ignorance Short Bus Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:53:19 -
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CCP,
what are you guys thinking at present with these changes? the system is cumber sum? so lets change everything to base 500 instead. cause that wont cause confusion one bit. if you guys are having issues explaining how an exchange function works then maybe its on your teams side inability to communicate how this function works. idk maybe a simple chart could do it OR YOU COULD NOT HAVE IMPLEMENTED A SECOND CURRENCY AND BY PASSED THIS WHOLE SYSTEM. Ship skins could have been a perfect isk sink but instead you turned it into a cash grab.
i am very very confused as to how this is supposed to make everyone life easier.
for instance "you will need 500 new plex for 1 month of game time but this will allow us to sell plex at cheaper prices" so basically you will sell us 1/500th of a plex for pennies? but you'll still need around 14.99 for one plex right? cause ill very much doubt youll do this in a way that will make sure you are making less money off of this market.
oh dont forget you can only activate for 30 days of game time. too. im willing to bet that you did not run this by the CSM. im not one to post to much because of my clear lack of ability for proper grammar and the likes but this can not happen CCP. for the love of BOB.
THIS RANT BEING SAID I STILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING ALL OF YOU IN ICELAND THIS YEAR. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3203
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:53:48 -
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Ben Ishikela wrote:Quote:For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX. Does this mean a profit of 45 plex for odd numbers?
It's a conversion at 7 to one. If your current aurum is not over 1k and not a complete multiple of 7, I'd bet you will lose aurum and that will be the end of it. |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
2661
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:54:48 -
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Cearain wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Def Monk wrote:So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time?
One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX.
If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know.
EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days. This. Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not. You will only be able to get game time in 30 day chunks. That is far from clear from the actual public dev blog. Do you say this based on your csm discussions? copy/paste from the blog Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time? A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.
but tl;dr am I right?
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3203
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:56:02 -
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Skully Luv wrote:If CCP wants more people to subscribe how about they respect existing subscribers and not short them when "specials" come out for new subs.
Pretty much every corporation treat new customers with offers only available if you are new. This isn't unique to CCP. It's actaully pretty standard in services sold for subscriptions. |
beakerax
Pator Tech School
305
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:56:28 -
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1000 seems easier to understand than 500GǪ |
Tau Phoenix
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
93
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:57:52 -
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So, where will this change end up going?
Currently one PLEX is equal to 30 day of game time - Simple. By granulating this into a smaller commodity i can see the following happen:
PLEX units will be a smaller nominal cost to purchase with RL Money.
At first 500 PLEX units will = 30 days, then we will soon see 300 units = 14 days, 180 Units = 7 days. This can have its merits.
My concern will be if CCP decide that next month we they will change the requirement to purchase 30 days of game time to say 550 units of PLEX, then 600 etc.....
By having smaller PLEX commodities will give a greater control to manipulate the market, both in RL through the price to play the game and also the ingame markets as a consequence.
This will be another defining moment in CCP's history when this hits.....lets hope its not another 'Monocle gate'.
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
2661
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:57:57 -
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Nosum Hseebnrido wrote:In my opinion, this change is simply stupid and unnecessary.
1 plex will equal 500 plex, with will equal 30 days.
So everyone who want to use it to extend sub will have to spend exactly same amount of ISK in order to get 500p and tranfer them into sub. Where is the logic? Just stop with this idiotic game 'simplification'. if I want to buy a skin, or injector, or whatever else people buy with AUR currently I have to buy one plex and convert to 3500 AUR,
after I will buy x plex and buy my item and not have to deal in AUR
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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