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Andski
GoonWaffe
3176
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:18:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Mike712 wrote:So goons fly blobs of 2 LSE perma MWDing drakes(read massive sig, in fact as big as a carrier) against titans for 2 months to make them look OP, then titans get nerfed.
Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber.... Just leaving this here.
indeed, the opinions of battleclinic morons are relevant in discussions about 0.0 warfare "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:19:00 -
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Aurora B wrote:Nao Oikawasan wrote:At 0800 this morning "Team Tech", who had promised to superblob CFC for control of three moons, instead sat in front of their computers, sobbing and rocking, refusing to login and help the brave few souls who were being slaughtered by the Goons. We know they were in front of their computers because they had all promised to take off of work and do this. A concerned citizen when round to an absent participant's house to make sure he hadn't hurt himself and got no answer, aside from loud crying and a muffled "mummy, mummy, why did they do this? I HATE IT." Has RDN. been broken? Listening to ghetto ***** Vile again?
What is the new CCP tagline again?
Oh yeah........I WAS THERE!
Luckily, I don't think I'll be THERE much longer. Just long enough to figure out when I want to burn my main and get some revenge for the waste of my time by "Team Tech". Already have a fair group of dissidents ready to do the same. I suppose we should be thankful to Goons for showing us just how heavy the yoke of slavery to a fail coalition truly is. See you on the other side, Goons. It will be glorious. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3176
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:32:00 -
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Nao Oikawasan wrote:Luckily, I don't think I'll be THERE much longer. Just long enough to figure out when I want to burn my main and get some revenge for the waste of my time by "Team Tech". Already have a fair group of dissidents ready to do the same. I suppose we should be thankful to Goons for showing us just how heavy the yoke of slavery to a fail coalition truly is. See you on the other side, Goons. It will be glorious.
huh "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:35:00 -
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Nao Oikawasan wrote:Aurora B wrote:Nao Oikawasan wrote:At 0800 this morning "Team Tech", who had promised to superblob CFC for control of three moons, instead sat in front of their computers, sobbing and rocking, refusing to login and help the brave few souls who were being slaughtered by the Goons. We know they were in front of their computers because they had all promised to take off of work and do this. A concerned citizen when round to an absent participant's house to make sure he hadn't hurt himself and got no answer, aside from loud crying and a muffled "mummy, mummy, why did they do this? I HATE IT." Has RDN. been broken? Listening to ghetto ***** Vile again? What is the new CCP tagline again? Oh yeah........I WAS THERE! Luckily, I don't think I'll be THERE much longer. Just long enough to figure out when I want to burn my main and get some revenge for the waste of my time by "Team Tech". Already have a fair group of dissidents ready to do the same. I suppose we should be thankful to Goons for showing us just how heavy the yoke of slavery to a fail coalition truly is. See you on the other side, Goons. It will be glorious.
I think you have Lupus |
Derkata
10
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:41:00 -
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CCP Mittani wrote:Andski, as our super-troll I need you to flood the forums
Found this while doing spai stuff. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:08:00 -
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i for one am inspired that Aurora B, in an act of bravery, went against the wishes of raidenDOT high command and courageously posts with their main |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:08:00 -
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too bad they're just a goon false flag alt anyhow |
Mac Zehn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:10:00 -
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This is a brilliant thread filled with brilliant people discussing brilliant things. |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:20:00 -
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Shadoo wrote:I don't think anyone who has flown a titan in combat can argue that the ship is not currently overpowered in combat when used in great numbers, just like no one could seriously argue about AOD DDs when they started to be used in 3+3 scale every 10 minutes
Of course, same goes for every ship in eve -- when used in great numbers, but Supercapitals certainly show this curve more often on the field
So I'm extremely happy that you state that the ship needs a role change - last time we were campaigning for AOD DD change -- this was exactly what a lot of us were asking for
But that was 3 years ago
I am therefore rather dissapointed that what we, the community at large, have been asking for a very long time is rather haphazardly brushed off as something that "will be looked at long term" with a surgical change that SCREAMS of a kneejerk reaction without really providing us with much to go on here to see your vision or have comfort you are going to do something in the long term for the "end game" ship in EVE
And forgive me for saying this -- but you have not always had a great track record of revisiting changes you've made in the past as surgical adjustments. Thus I feel like pressing a bit harder on the high level thoughts that have lead you to make this current fix
What is your intended role for Titan with this change on TQ today?
How will you evaluate if your changes implemented will match up with that role on the TQ combat field in this release? For example -- as far as I can see -- a large group of titans will still obliterate a large group of battleships/drakes -- all you've delayed is the first hit and require more micromanagement in making sure the lock queue is evenly spaced out
Given how large fights today unfold on TQ -- how do you see this ship fulfilling your intended role on heavily TiDi systems with the sig change
What is your future vision, even at high level, for the Titan ship class? Will it remain a combat asset or are you looking and overhauling it for something else (personally btw I've argued for the last 4 years that titans should NOT be a combat ship at all, but rather a massive alliance level asset for logistics/cloning/staging/etc)
What assurances can you offer us this change will not remain a permanent fixture for the long term?
With the combat ability of this ship being "surgically adjusted", would you be even willing to look at for example increasing the jump range of the ship to balance the change
And lastly -- are you going to allow those pilots who wish to wait for your stated longer term role adjustments to GM-dock their ship until such a time that this change is no longer a surgical measure in order to still utilize the account/character for combat in EVE?
Yes, this thread has brilliant post, not by your side though. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:27:00 -
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Aurora B wrote:Yes, this thread has brilliant post, not by your side though.
a bloo bloo bloo |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
411
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Posted - 2012.03.16 21:49:00 -
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Aurora B wrote:Yes, this thread has brilliant post, not by your side though.
Too bad that Shadoo is right and you're wrong.
In fact, most of the PL posters have been decently levelheaded about it all, while your alliance has done nothing but whine and then send out an alliance wide mail saying to stop posting on your mains.
Heh.
Nerd. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:18:00 -
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makes sense that raidenDOT would have to rely on PL to make posts |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
281
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:47:00 -
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ASCMD (All Super-Capitals Must Die).
Because...
Because...errrrm...
Well, because **** them, that's why. In irae, veritas. |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
718
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Posted - 2012.03.17 05:25:00 -
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A counter to titan blobs:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12761765
works better than drakes. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
326
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Posted - 2012.03.17 06:57:00 -
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Tell me more about how the death of an comedy titan fit with smartbombs and no tank has any relevance to the tracking abilities of massed XL guns. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
718
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Posted - 2012.03.17 07:24:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Tell me more about how the death of an comedy titan fit with smartbombs and no tank has any relevance to the tracking abilities of massed XL guns.
More tracking = less tank maybe?
More tracking = easier to gank maybe?
More tracking = greater risk of losing the ship to a half thought out fleet composition that, surprisingly, is cap heavy?
And did you miss the rest of the titans in that battle report? They could have been there from anytime tho The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
94
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Posted - 2012.03.17 07:32:00 -
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LOL heres the other side of that story . . .
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12761765 |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
718
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Posted - 2012.03.17 08:05:00 -
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Yep, a lot of dreads died alright... but you would have to assume they were insured (well, they would be if smart people were in them..) The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Cyaron wars
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.17 08:05:00 -
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You can link many killmails and say different things, but you all will be wrong. As one guy already posted in this thread: You cannot balance 70 billion ship vs 200 million ship. With same success you can try to balance Lamborghini vs Volkswagen Golf. Any attempt that you make will fail since it will be wrong from very beginning. CCP should balance titans and supers against capitas and balance capitals against subcaps. that is the main point. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.03.17 08:17:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Tell me more about how the death of an comedy titan fit with smartbombs and no tank has any relevance to the tracking abilities of massed XL guns. More tracking = less tank maybe? More tracking = easier to gank maybe? More tracking = greater risk of losing the ship to a half thought out fleet composition that, surprisingly, is cap heavy? And did you miss the rest of the titans in that battle report? They could have been there from anytime tho PL didn't get there in enough time and the pilot supposedly missed an opportunity to refit into something less terrible because he tried to log off forgetting that winter is here |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
326
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Posted - 2012.03.17 08:32:00 -
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Cyaron wars wrote:You can link many killmails and say different things, but you all will be wrong. As one guy already posted in this thread: You cannot balance 70 billion ship vs 200 million ship. With same success you can try to balance Lamborghini vs Volkswagen Golf. Any attempt that you make will fail since it will be wrong from very beginning. CCP should balance titans and supers against capitas and balance capitals against subcaps. that is the main point. My bot made me more ISK therefore I should win! ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 |
Ed Hardi
Evej0ke
43
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Posted - 2012.03.17 10:43:00 -
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CCP = GOON PETs |
Dr 0wnage
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
13
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:17:00 -
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Actually, this is how it should work...
killed (144.04B ISK) lost (75.38B ISK)
When you bring capitals to fight anti-capital ships, shouldn't they die? |
Andski
GoonWaffe
3180
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:29:00 -
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good god you're retarded aren't you
one shitfit titan dying to dreads in lowsec (no DDs) is irrelevant "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
718
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Posted - 2012.03.17 12:00:00 -
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Andski wrote:good god you're all retar ded aren't you one shitfit titan dying to dreads in lowsec (no DDs) is irrelevant
Oh well, you just keep sending them drakes, i am sure they will kill something... one day The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.03.17 12:04:00 -
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and it will probably the fc's pod in a thunderdome |
Miner Leo
Core Mining United Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.03.17 12:07:00 -
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Maybe the only solution in order to make it balanced / stable would be to completly change the role of a Titan imo change its Class even and introduce new Classes of Capital ships given them all more Specefic roles similar to T2 Frigs but without the Freedom in customizing. Also **If** Possible, Change Attributes or how Cap-sized modules work for Example: Have this makes you that much better but in turn, you lose a Turret / Missile Point.
If no added classes, then titans / capitals need Hard points so that the Smaller classes can destroy example: Bridge, which for instance would make you unavailable to change direction, jump or anything 'Electronical' etc etc and after said hard points destroyed. The Capital self-destructs. And with this in mind, Titan should have most hardpoints out of it imo. Remove DD weaponary completly and rather give 16 turret / missile slots cause that attracts sci-fi lovers. It's stupid and no logic behind how a ship nearly 2 miles long is more like a passive Truck with Heavy machine gun mounted.. Should more be like Bishmark/Yamoto/Iowa etc.
Another thing, Make restrictions to Alliances etc. So that a Alliance can maximum support a number of these Titans and Motherships to a low amount while Dreads/carriers nearly unlimited.
(Example, 1 titan - 2 mother ship per Corporation)..
Something quite similar would make the Super caps rare and Titans rare but still kicking ass when fielded. Instead of using it like the ultimate domino brick.
And CCP.. Could you do something about Capitals Velocity? like Every singel one of them.. It's mass and it drags someone down but would beilive when 1/3 of a ship is the propulsion system.. it would move faster... If every ship in eve moved 100% faster.. We would talk fun fast phased action and you could see Capitals move forward without viewing it and look at the thrusters.. :-/
Time to drink another one! cheers :D
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
326
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Posted - 2012.03.17 12:16:00 -
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Miner Leo wrote:Maybe the only solution in order to make it balanced / stable would be to completly change the role of a Titan
That seems to be the plan.
Hotfixing XL tracking isn't the end point for Titans, its merely to cut out one of the more glaring imbalances while CCP works on a proper role for them that doesn't begin and end with 'killing literally everything in sight' and helps clarify that there are no 'endgame' hulls in Eve. ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
194
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Posted - 2012.03.17 12:21:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Andski wrote:good god you're all retar ded aren't you one shitfit titan dying to dreads in lowsec (no DDs) is irrelevant Oh well, you just keep sending them drakes, i am sure they will kill something... one day
Think you and all the rest of the Anti-Titan nerf brigade are missing a very important point.....no-one brings Drakes to kill Titans.
I've seen the videos and other threads about this and the fights usually go something like this.
Goons/FA/FCON/RZR/SMA + Friends bring a sub-cap fleet to fight Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends (lol? and you guys whine about blobs, you serious??) sub-cap fleet.
Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends realise they are losing and jump in a ton of Titans/Super Caps and then run to the forums to say Titans aren't OP as Goons + Friends are using the wrong tactics in countering them.
I have yet to see anything that suggests that anyone is solely using Drakes to actively engage Titans or Super Caps.
It's always the sub-cap fight wrecked by Init./Raiden./Ev0ke/NC./PL/-A-/Hell4s + Friends jumping in their Titans when they are losing.
But 10/10 for your obfuscation and sleight of hand maneuvers to try and justify your points. |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.03.17 12:24:00 -
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I would say the simplest method to balance (quickfix like) titans without upsetting too many people would be to simply nerf the tank of supercaps so that a fully tank fitted titan has 3x the EHP of a Dread. That would mean that a tracking titan would have 1x the EHP of a dread and could be alphaed with a hige mael fleet. Furthermore, the mobility/ force projection of all supercaps should be nerfed to hell. You know, the biggest disadvantage of huge weapons was always the lack of mobility and flexibility. |
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