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Atrus Gunrunner
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Posted - 2009.01.17 17:43:00 -
[1081]
To summarise: Part 1 = Win Part 2 = Wait a year/maintain sm 2.0 support. Or develop a way for us to change skills and chat minimally.
I have a netbook which i use for the latter, don't take that away from me!
But what are all you morons doing with such ****ty old rigs? I guess only FPS people like me know anything about hardware... |
Milla Jovo
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Posted - 2009.01.17 17:46:00 -
[1082]
my main pc has sm4, I just bought a video card for it. but the reason for more than 1 account is that i can run my hauler on an old system that i have, (and my kids). But if my P3 1000 will not run eve after 60 days, well there goes my alt account (hauling account). I can aford 2 video cards for me and my son, but not a mother board upgrade. I started my third account after they started the classic client less than 6 months ago. CCP said they would heep it for people that do not have high end systems. BYE BYE third account.
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Polinus
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.17 17:57:00 -
[1083]
I really think the DOCKED client with minimal requierments is such a BASIC and NEEDED idea that its impossible CCP never tought of it. They just very likely has some dumb concept that some impossible bad effect would happen if this was implemented (like their peak subscribers online number droped)
But CCP must face they NEED this and its NOT complicated stuff. At least a client for iphone and Android cell phones as well. Come on the first decade of this century is almost over and some companies are still thinking is 2001.
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Zenologic
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:01:00 -
[1084]
why do people keep saying "we"? "we don't want shiny graphics, we want game play..blah blah blah". I want the best graphics possible. i want to play a complex game that makes you think and calculate, and i want it to look awesome at the same time. wanting great graphics does not mean you are dumb. playing three eve clients all day long on an assortment of ancient hardware is, well, another story.
it really doesn't matter because its the same story over and over. ccp makes a change to the game and hoards of whiners flock en masse to the forum to say how they're going to have to quit eve now because eve is going to be ruined. too shiny, too dull, too powerful, too weak,... I say keep up the good work CCP. |
Torothanax
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:21:00 -
[1085]
Just make sure you keep GeForce 5 supported for a while. The company I bought my computer from ****ed me over and sold me a MB without an agp slot, even though they assured me it had one. I'm stuck with pci (not express) for another year or two. |
Sakura Johanson
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Posted - 2009.01.17 18:57:00 -
[1086]
Seems like this is a win-win sit. We win a better quality game and we win a dev team that can stomp out bugs faster.
One upgrade in 10 years is not much... |
Asekudar
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Posted - 2009.01.17 19:10:00 -
[1087]
Yes, I want new gfx because I have a high end PC! BUT, I also want a shader 2 client or the "docked" client to change skills. The reason for this is, that i play at home with my desktop PC and when i¦m not at home i use my netbook to change skills or do similar things. I think that a lot of other people do it like that.
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Alt altski
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Posted - 2009.01.17 19:21:00 -
[1088]
Meh no more eve for me.
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:06:00 -
[1089]
This is good stuff indeed, my new rig will handle the clients quite well, and having only 1 client to maintain will hopefully aid the Dev's work.
And you can use a stripped version too... sweet.
Good one , i hope you deliver on this one actually. _____________________________________
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Shevek Anarres
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:08:00 -
[1090]
My laptop is only 1 year old and it has a low-end ati radeon mobility, that supports shadermodel 2. So for the next expansion I'm fine.
But if the expansion after that requires shader model 3 i would probably be leaving the game, at least for a while. I don't plan on buying a desktop pc, don't game on my pc in the office, and my next laptop is going to be SMALL.. optimized for travel rather than gaming.
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Trovax
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.17 20:09:00 -
[1091]
Cool..... I'll be able to run EVE on a retro PC. Ill go break into the local Museum and rob a Atari ST or summin.
What i'd much prefer to see is 64 Bit eve client. I have a custom built PC sitting with dual-dual core x64 amd's, 4 gig RAM and 2 x 7600 512mb's SLi'd just itching to have a good burn.
I initially had and old p3 when i started playing eve some 3 years ago and built a new machine that was actually designed with eve in mind.
Dont get me wrong... what is being proposed is awesome. A few peeps i know really want to use premium but cant cos their machines cant handle it. So its all good.
As far as i'm aware, the servers went 64 Bit, and im not sure if that means the clients are also. Been out fo the loop for a few months and not been keeping up with forums so may have missed it.
Thanks for watching o/
"I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant" |
Ken Storm
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:11:00 -
[1092]
Do Not Drop SM2 support - many players use laptops and these machines tend to have lower spec graphics cards than desktops, nor are they upgradeable.
Making EVE SM3+ might only effect 5% of users but you can probably say that 5% represent 50% or more of laptop users.
Dont force us to spend many 100's of Dollars/Euros/GBPs to buy a new laptop.
Thanks.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:15:00 -
[1093]
Originally by: Sakura Johanson Seems like this is a win-win sit. We win a better quality game and we win a dev team that can stomp out bugs faster.
One upgrade in 10 years is not much...
This all of you ppl that cant do one miserable upgrade in a what 6 years of the game being out should quit now. I am realy not interested in any of your whining you have a full year to get ready you can put a computer together that will play this for what ? $400 and you have YEAR most likely you can go even cheaper if you canibalise som parts from you old pc so wtf.
One idea that got my attention is a mini docked only version that will let you chat work the market and change skills for mobile devices is a great idea on iphone class devices. This doesnt need any graphics at all and i think is good idea for the mobile change skill situation.
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Doublewhopper
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Posted - 2009.01.17 22:36:00 -
[1094]
Edited by: Doublewhopper on 17/01/2009 22:36:25
Originally by: Dors Venabily
Originally by: Sakura Johanson Seems like this is a win-win sit. We win a better quality game and we win a dev team that can stomp out bugs faster.
One upgrade in 10 years is not much...
This all of you ppl that cant do one miserable upgrade in a what 6 years of the game being out should quit now. I am realy not interested in any of your whining you have a full year to get ready you can put a computer together that will play this for what ? $400 and you have YEAR most likely you can go even cheaper if you canibalise som parts from you old pc so wtf.
Let me whine a bit about you....specifically that you are too poor to afford multiple accounts....since it seems you have to idea about that concept... |
SheriffFruitfly
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.17 23:55:00 -
[1095]
I still think:
1) ccp should open up the api to allow others to dev clients for it, and 2) there should be an all text client. |
Spc One
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:16:00 -
[1096]
Edited by: Spc One on 18/01/2009 00:20:53
It is ok to go to PS 3.0 but not to 4.0. I think there are alot of people who will use Windows XP for very very long and since XP has a support of max 3.0 i wouldn't suggest to go for PS 4.0. I will not be switching to vista or windows 7 at any cost - not even for eve in the future if support goes for 4.0/4.1.
I think that for notebooks PS2.0 is the standard and it will stay that way for very long but for desktops PS3.0 is ok as long as it is not PS4.0.
All of my desktops support PS 3.0 (DX 9.0c) except the notebook which supports PS 2.0 max.
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Leon Singhali
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:16:00 -
[1097]
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but im not about to read through 37 pages of people whining, and then people whining at the people who are whining just to find the occasional posts which are worth reading.
Anyway I'm sure that one of the big things with shaders is that you can have different shaders run depending on the graphics hardware being used so theoretically CCP could just keep the SM2.0 shaders there and just ignore them then they will be used by the client if only SM2.0 is supported. Though that said I'm not sure of the details on how the client handles graphics and I'm sure CCP will of already considered this, just figured id give my 2 cents.
Also figured id mention that if CCP did remove SM2.0 support that for my Xmas holidays this year (2009) I wont be able to log on to eve at all (am a student with no money to spend on upgrading laptop, and I cant take my PC home with me over Xmas.)
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Zero kill
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Posted - 2009.01.18 00:21:00 -
[1098]
I hope it will still work with my ASUS eee pc 901...
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AonChilo
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.18 02:42:00 -
[1099]
I see it as inconvenient timing. With RL economy down, people are not going to be anxious to spend money on new hardware. For me in particular, I am waiting for Windows 7 to release. With that around the corner, its more important to me to make upgrade decisions based on that versus just meeting requirements to run Eve.
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cesar medina
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.18 04:29:00 -
[1100]
Edited by: cesar medina on 18/01/2009 04:35:34 I been thinking of getting a new laptop for a while this time a gaming one would this video card work ?
NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS w/1GB video ram
I hope it has shader 3 or what ever I will need to run eve later on
I don't want to get one that I cant use later on with any new expanson's
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Ariel Acterus
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Posted - 2009.01.18 04:52:00 -
[1101]
I'm amazed at how selfish some people are - "My setup's fine, so screw the rest of you".
Great. Good luck with that attitude when you reach puberty.
I'm not poor. I'm quite well off. I have a big TV (Eve Classic looks great on it running through my Mac Mini). I have an Xbox 360, Wii and PS3. I have an up to date PC and a Macbook (both of which run Eve fine, and will continue to do so).
The PS3 and Xbox are 'hi-def' machines - they take advantage of the latest tech. It didn't stop me playing either console a few months ago on a 14" standard def tv when the LCD gave up the ghost (painful though it was, it was bearable!-Just!).
I actually work on an MMO. I understand better than most that having two sets of art assets can be expensive. However, on my game, keeping the entry requirements low is a top priority, so the graphics aren't amazing but more people can actually *play* our game.
Keeping people with lower tech in mind can therefore be beneficial. If I had to upgrade just to play EVE, even being able to afford it, I wouldn't. I have plenty of other entertainment options that I *don't* need to upgrade for.
Is CCP seriously willing to gamble on losing a big chunk of revenue for this change?
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Anyata Soren
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Posted - 2009.01.18 05:10:00 -
[1102]
Sweet baby jesus for the love of god please preserve at least shader 2.0 for an extended period of time. As much as I would like too it is just impractical to rip the Intel chipset out of my laptop and wire in a GTX 280. |
Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2009.01.18 06:19:00 -
[1103]
Originally by: Doublewhopper Edited by: Doublewhopper on 17/01/2009 22:36:25
Originally by: Dors Venabily
Originally by: Sakura Johanson Seems like this is a win-win sit. We win a better quality game and we win a dev team that can stomp out bugs faster.
One upgrade in 10 years is not much...
This all of you ppl that cant do one miserable upgrade in a what 6 years of the game being out should quit now. I am realy not interested in any of your whining you have a full year to get ready you can put a computer together that will play this for what ? $400 and you have YEAR most likely you can go even cheaper if you canibalise som parts from you old pc so wtf.
Let me whine a bit about you....specifically that you are too poor to afford multiple accounts....since it seems you have to idea about that concept...
I have 3 accounts. So whats your point? How long pls tell me how long you expect them to support outdated hardware? Can you name any other game with exception of Anarchy online that has such low minimum requirements? Folks might ,and I say might, have point with postponing the shader 2 till march next year but other then that you really have nothing to be upset about. Take it or leave it ccp has been catering to the slow computers too much imho and ppl got spoiled.
I really do not think it is an unressonable request it gives you enough time to upgrade and if you dont like it dont let the door hit you on your way out.
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Mikalya
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.18 06:54:00 -
[1104]
Originally by: Dors Venabily
Can you name any other game with exception of Anarchy online that has such low minimum requirements?
WoW?
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.01.18 07:08:00 -
[1105]
Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 18/01/2009 07:13:33
I play multiple accounts on multiple computers. That's the way I play.
One of those is a fairly new Dell XPS 1530 lap top. It should be fine.
The other two systems I use - are older.
They are running Windows 2000 and using ATI 9800 and 9600 AIW cards.
These systems run one instance of EVE Classic fine and two in full screen mode fairly well but run two instances windowed very poorly (one of them has two monitors).
They use AGP cards and I'm not all that sure I'll be able to get video card upgrades for them that will match the requirements. Maybe ... maybe not.
There are way to many posts in this thread for me to even think about reading them all so I've no idea what's been said up to now.
One thing though - EVE has been marketed as a game for people to play with multiple accounts. I would imagine that there may well be a number of people such as myself, who while they have ONE high end machine are playing some of their alternate accounts on older equipment. Obsolescing a good bit of that equipment might just make it impractical for some people to make good use of the number of accounts they have acquired. Even if your computer will support more than one client ... it's difficult to play them if you have to alt-tab between them all the time. Thus, past a certain point, it becomes impractical to run more than two accounts per system ... depending on what you're doing.
So - what you guys are doing here - is taking something (maintaining two clients) which at the moment is YOUR problem and making it OUR problem (upgrading our hardware).
Very few people care to have someone elses problems made their own.
If my old systems are still able to run EVE ... then I probably won't care. At the point in time where I have to upgrade these systems or not be able to play the game the way I've set myself up to do it ... then I will care. Whether or not I care to continue to play this game after getting ****ed off at having to spend a bunch of my money to solve your problems ... we'll just have to see.
Also, from what I've read - while it looks like my old systems may support the first iteration of your changes - it does NOT look like they will support the next.
I could always go back and play Planetside with my nephews. That (for however long it has left) still runs just fine on my old systems.
Of course - I worked in the computer industry and have played OL games long enough to know that you guys don't give a rat's ass about creating problems for me. If you can dump your problems on your customers and get away with it - I'm sure and certain that is exactly what you are going to do.
What I don't know - is how many of your other customers are going to care.
Of course - the thing is ... none of us are going to know just how bad all this is going to be until you actually do it - at which time it will be to late. Once you actually do it - then we will see just how well our old systems run the game and how accurate your estimation is of the number of people who will have to upgrade - as well as how many of them do upgrade - just so they can continue to play this game.
What I do know now - is that the Classic Client runs just fine on two thirds of my machines. So right now - it isn't broken. We'll just have to see whether you break it, trying to fix it.
Oh yeah ... and ... don't think we are stupid enough to think that you really care that all of us using the Classic Client can't see the best graphics. What you care about - is making your dual production process problem our hardware upgrade problem. That is what this is ALL about. For those who are ignorant of the software development processes referred to - CCP wants to simplify it so they can make greater profits (they aren't losing money now) off the same number of customers by cutting down on their expenses.
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Auk Monnan
Minmatar Hidden Industrial Group Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.01.18 07:58:00 -
[1106]
Its the economy, stupid.
I have been putting off buying a new computer for a long time. I don't see that changing anytime soon. I don't need no $1000 game.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2009.01.18 08:21:00 -
[1107]
Originally by: cesar medina Edited by: cesar medina on 18/01/2009 04:35:34 I been thinking of getting a new laptop for a while this time a gaming one would this video card work ?
NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS w/1GB video ram
I hope it has shader 3 or what ever I will need to run eve later on
I don't want to get one that I cant use later on with any new expanson's
Dude... you run that with DX 10 you have Shader Model 4 with DX9 you have Shader Model 3. You'd be concerened about losing support for EVE if it was a Geforce FX series (equivilent to 5) and you wouldn't be able to play if you have a 4 series Geforce card. For the 4 number cards in GeForce I believe mainly the first number is the series so you have a 9 series a 6600GT is a 6 series the 7600GT is 7 series. The GTX 280 is special and the number scheme changed... that's I believe the "200" series... maybe wait until we get the "300" series on that one... bad joke. --- Trolling a forum near you.
Originally by: rValdez5987 I dont like your sig. It fills me with rage.
I want it removed. Reported.
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Ulviirala Vauryndar
Gallente Cohortes Stellaris ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.18 08:34:00 -
[1108]
Is it too much effort to have it support to work with 1/1.1 Shaders? I read the blog and understand the problems. As of yet I can't afford new hardware until May and even then I have to wait for the annual bills. I'd like it to look awesome but its just not possible atm and its perfectly fine with me, I like it the way it looks on my machine, true love ;)
Coming back from a break and using the 5-days free activation offer today but I'm not extending gametime by 60d, I guess. Since the Premium Lite client wouldn't run without being able to support Shaders 2.0 or above (radeon 9100 chipset on AGP card). Unfortunately, your signature is not 22239 bytes, it exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches I fail, regards to Cortes - Ulvi |
AnyOldIron
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Posted - 2009.01.18 09:32:00 -
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I agree with Toshiro Greyhawk who writes his points very well,this is not a single ,off the shelf standalone game.
It`s something we pay for again and again, there are supposed to be 285,000 subscribers. 285k x $15 x 12months (and that`s the minimum subscription with my payment method i pay TWICE that).
Your CLASSIC dev team must have an incredible wage. SHAME a lot of your customers don`t (but then THAT`s not your problem is it) Seen this in other MMO`s , the rich will keep playing the poor won`t and there will be more like this round the corner. |
Checkbit
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Posted - 2009.01.18 09:34:00 -
[1110]
I read the first few pages of this thread, and skipped a load as they were repeating the same old whines, whinges etc.
IMO CCP need to do the following:
1 - Listen to what the people want. There are so many people saying that they won't be able to run eve when the expansions come, sure for a desktop pc owner it's not so much of an issue to upgrade a graphics card, it's easy enough to get agp cards that'll suit SM3 for the older pc owners, but for laptop owners they're screwed. We're not all fortunate enough to sit in front of huge monitors with high end gaming pc's. I've got a machine that'll run the premium and 1 that won't, I can't say I'm fussed about fancy graphics(I started my gaming on a BBC Model B playing Elite) so I run classic on both, to me gameplay is far more important than graphics. For the multi-account players this is going to be a big deal, people running older laptops to have 2nd accounts on for mining bonus etc when their main machine won't run 2 clients properly.
2) Develop a cut down client for people who want to change skills on the move with netbooks, older laptops etc. 3) Develop a skill queueing system which would help alleviate the need for number 2, it's been 'in development' for ages so why isn't it developed yet?
There seems to be quite a few selfish posts 'I'm fine so stop your whining', or 'Spend some money and buy a new graphics card', I guess there'll be plenty of people who can do just that, but can't justify it with the cost of living as it is.
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