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Akita T
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:31:00 -
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So... no offense, but you guys seem to be having a problem.
That problem, this time, seems to be that there's no more "oversight", or at least a severe lack of it.
At this point in time, I see a lot of details, but the "big picture" seems to be at best blurry, or downright gone.
The question is, therefore, do you even HAVE something resembling a LEAD developer anymore ?
You know, the guy that looks at all bits and pieces people have been working on, and deciding "this is nice but useless, drop it", "this could be useful but looks crappy, work on it" and so on and so forth ? The guy that says "this goes against what EVE is supposed to be" or "oh, yeah, this is what EVE means, more of it please" ?
Oh, it's not the first expansion that seems to see a lot of "we have no idea where we're going with it, but we'll change stuff and see later how it turns out", but the upcoming one is almost certainly the one with the highest density of "sounded good on paper" features and changes.
Don't get me wrong, it has a lot of good things too, but it feels way too much like a disparate set of nice things that don't really fit all that well together, rather than "a whole" broken up into decently-sized bits.
You don't know what I mean ?
Well, let's start with "a good while ago" then.
Once upon a time, we had no rigs, then salvage and rigs came around.
BEFORE they came in, they were supposed to be "a way for people to customize their ships for PvP, with advantages and drawbacks, so that you can fill specific roles"... or something to that extent.
Fast-forward to launch day, and they're almost exclusively things that give advantages to your ship (negligible or irrelevant drawbacks) and not really all that affordable at all.
Sure, the drop rates were tweaked relatively fast, so they become relatively affordable (on EXPENSIVE ships, that is), with promises of future "size-dependant rigs". Oh, right, they were delayed. But not one voice at CCP said anything about the INITIAL ideas, which were actually the best... lost in space and time, I guess.
Second story, the story of T2 battleships.
Not only do they still lack in most aspects (they're barely more useful than regular battleships, expensive as hell, and with so many drawbacks it simply hurts at that price), but they're also not really going to change much at all.
Sure, Marauders have a decent role as mission boats, and might be useful for wormhole exploration, but they're not significantly better (in some cases actually worse) than some of their T1 siblings.
Black ops might have some niche roles too, but... meh.
Oh, and let's not even mention the fact that the BASE PRICE of these ships don't even match the BASE COST of all used materials, being the first exception to this rule in the entire T2 ship line-up. And also, they're not even needing differentiated component amounts like other T2 ships, the manufacure amounts are "lazy mode - just change racial component type, leave quantities alone".
Bottom line, somebody, somewhere high up dropped the ball... if anybody was there to bounce the ball in the first place, that is.
Then, we have the alchemy thing, which is supposed to "help".
I won't even go into details as to why it's not helping much as it is, but meh, just visiting S&I and MD regularly should have given you a good idea.
Those above are not the only instances where a(n almost total) lack of "high up" oversight cause problems, but they're the most obvious ones.
And the upcoming expansion, this one seems to be a big upcoming problem too, but then again there are several other (and better) threads that already dissect the issues with the upcoming expansion.
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Char'elle Kosaan
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:34:00 -
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your topic heading makes anything you have to say after it pointless |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 09:36:14
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So, bottom line ?
Bottom line is that THERE HAVE TO BE SOME PEOPLE AT THE HELM, even if you have small-ish developer cells.
Democracy doesn't really work all that great in RL, and is even worse for game design.
So... CCP... do you even HAVE somebody at the helm anymore ?
And if you do... can he come out and play with us ?
Meaning, let us ask HIM what the general direction is supposed to be, what stuff is intended for, what price ranges things are supposed to cost, what use certain features are supposed to have, etc.
Because frankly, right now, it feels like a ship without a captain, but with an enthusiastic crew.
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Akita T
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Char'elle Kosaan
your topic heading makes anything you have to say after it pointless
It's called sarcasm, look it up.
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Popperr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:38:00 -
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It's not sarcasm if you have to point it out.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Popperr
It's not sarcasm if you have to point it out.
So, if some people don't get "the joke", the joke must be bad ? 
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:40:00 -
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Job Applications are attah way ->
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:41:00 -
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Not interested, way too much work for my tastes 
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:43:00 -
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This.......will probably not get a developer response.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:46:00 -
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With the exception of shield, armor and grid rigs. Then yes, rigs are pretty cheap and have drawbacks so that you don't use them on every ship (take the energy weapon rigs. I've used them on a couple of setups, but it's definitely not something I use on every ship). Some ships I wouldn't even use rigs on because I treasure the current balance (for example not using armor rigs despite the fact that I want armor because I also need the speed).
IMHO rigs are a success.
Marauders. Good stuff. CCP said they were meant for PvE, and that's what people use them for.
Black ops...kind of too niche atm.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Popperr
It's not sarcasm if you have to point it out.
So, if some people don't get "the joke", the joke must be bad ?
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:48:00 -
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I cant apply myself because my current job has a hold of me also I have probably next to nothing they need for game development assest, just a few coporation manamgent bullets and a few business practices.
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J'i Ta
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:49:00 -
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Don't you have some sort of real-life contact with people you can rant at instead of doing it on the forums daily?
Oh no I didn't!
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr
Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: mcnuggetlol on 16/02/2009 09:52:30
Terrible thread title followed up by *****ing towards the devs. A+ thread right here folks
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Popperr
It's not sarcasm if you have to point it out.
So, if some people don't get "the joke", the joke must be bad ?
In your case, yes.
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Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:52:00 -
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This should have been asked in Assembly hall, you would have gotten a few straight answers in there. I think theres a team of 'lead developers' now tho.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: J'i Ta
Don't you have some sort of real-life contact with people you can rant at instead of doing it on the forums daily?
I'm the only one that gives a damn about internet spaceships and I know better than bother people who have proven they don't care about something with that particular something.
But since you do care about that particular something (else you wouldn't be playing), why not bother the proper people ?
Originally by: Vaal Erit
This.......will probably not get a developer response.
If I would not have posted it it would have been certain I wouldn't get a dev response.
"Almost no chance" beats "absolutely no chance at all" 
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:55:00 -
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You do mean lead designer right? 'cause they've got about a dozen lead developers, seeing as all working for CCP are developers 
But i'll say the smae thing i said on the other thread, those are not "big picture" issues.
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr
Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.16 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
If I would not have posted it it would have been certain I wouldn't get a dev response.
"Almost no chance" beats "absolutely no chance at all"
Well, if you hadn't posted this thread the devs who do read it wouldn't immediately think "**** not this idiot again" next time you post one.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
But i'll say the smae thing i said on the other thread, those are not "big picture" issues.
So, what would you call these if not "big picture" issues then ?
I simply gave examples of (IMO) unresolved "big picture" issues that affect most players even now.
Sure, I left some of the "big picture" issues out (like the need for a total revamp of the sov system, ways to get standings without grinding missions and so on and so forth) because they're supposedly working on it.
Or, if those are not "big picture" issues either, what are ?
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StickyFingerz
Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Char'elle Kosaan
your topic heading makes anything you have to say after it pointless
It's called sarcasm, look it up.
no, it's infantile english.
grow up.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
But i'll say the smae thing i said on the other thread, those are not "big picture" issues.
So, what would you call these if not "big picture" issues then ?
I simply gave examples of (IMO) unresolved "big picture" issues that affect most players even now.
Sure, I left some of the "big picture" issues out (like the need for a total revamp of the sov system, ways to get standings without grinding missions and so on and so forth) because they're supposedly working on it.
Or, if those are not "big picture" issues either, what are ?
Different size rigs and T2 battleship problems are NOT large scale problems. Those are simple "tweak" problems at best(don't ask me why different sized rigs aren't ingame...i'm as suprised).
How about, oh, top of my head; The lack of racial specialisation and the ability to make your race matter. The lack of a living/breathing universe around the players and how to achieve it without tipping the scales.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 10:10:35
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
How about, oh, top of my head; The lack of racial specialisation and the ability to make your race matter. The lack of a living/breathing universe around the players and how to achieve it without tipping the scales.
Whoa there, those are "huge picture" issues... let's call them "wall mural on the Grand Canyon" issues
P.S. In other words "stuff CCP doesn't even think of anymore".
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: mcnuggetlol
Originally by: Akita T
If I would not have posted it it would have been certain I wouldn't get a dev response.
"Almost no chance" beats "absolutely no chance at all"
Well, if you hadn't posted this thread the devs who do read it wouldn't immediately think "**** not this idiot again" next time you post one.
Akita T used to be a pr0 positive contributor to the forums. But now, like so many others, Akita T has succumbed to bitter vet syndrome and calls out the devs by stating they don't know wtf they are doing anymore etc etc.
It's fun to see the corruption process of: happy new player to experience player fully understanding the game and making the best of it, and then being an expert and knowing the flaws that CCP misses and going nuts over it.
CCP goes through a cycle of having a great idea, then terrible implementation and then a few balancing acts to get it so that the mechanic works, but never as it was originally intended. CCP is just a silly video game company and will never get the game right, so you have to accept playing the game which a lot of which is broken or not working as intended or join the CCP staff and fight the power from the inside.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
How about, oh, top of my head; The lack of racial specialisation and the ability to make your race matter. The lack of a living/breathing universe around the players and how to achieve it without tipping the scales.
Whoa there, those are "huge picture" issues... let's call them "wall mural on the Grand Canyon" issues
P.S. In other words "stuff CCP doesn't even think of anymore".
They are more wider issues then "t2 bs problem", get the point?
How do you know CCP isn't working on those? What if the lead designer is working on JUST those. We don't know.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:15:00 -
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Lead developer, rigid quality control, completely @nal about the littlest details, understanding the 'spirit of EVE', ensuring that design ideas get translated properly, able/willing to axe ideas/work when it doesn't meet proper standards.
You mean THAT guy?
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:28:00 -
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I fail to see the point. Apocrypha is a content patch, and by the looks of it they're trying to buff a number of playstyles that have been mostly overlooked for several years. So yes, they're doing a lot of different things at once because it's a major patch trying to fix a lot of old problems that are somewhat interrelated. I realize that 100% of the people on the forums feel that there is but One True Playstyle(tm) and all others must be branded as heretics and expelled from the garden, but once upon a time Eve was meant to be a sandbox that everyone can play in and they appear to be looking at going back to that--hence taking on so many things at once.
As for rigs and T2 BS, they presumably came pre-nerfed to spare everyone the obvious mess of what happens when people with loads of money get godmode ala when HACs came out.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 10:32:23
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Lead developer, rigid quality control, completely @nal about the littlest details, understanding the 'spirit of EVE', ensuring that design ideas get translated properly, able/willing to axe ideas/work when it doesn't meet proper standards [...] ?
At least the last part... yeah, the guy with the developer nerfbat (as opposed to the regular nerfbat)
Originally by: Vaal Erit
CCP goes through a cycle of having a great idea, then terrible implementation and then a few balancing acts to get it so that the mechanic works, but never as it was originally intended.
Is it wrong to wish the bolded part is left out, and the final part turning up almost as originally intended ? 
Oh, and at least get it to the "working somewhat as intended" most of the time, as opposed to "every now and then, a couple of years after we decided to put it in".
Originally by: Del Narveux
pre-nerfed
That's precisely the words I wish to never see again.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:33:00 -
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Most is due to player speculation and CCPs good will to tell what they're doing.
There would be no "pre-nerf" if you got the ideas "as is" and the "patchnotes" would come AS the patch comes.
Listen to you lot whine then
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 10:35:47
Pre-nerfed as in "useless as introduced".
And "useless" defined as "there are other existing things that can already do that, and do it better and/or cheaper".
P.S. I'll be the first to agree that definition doesn't fit for rigs, since nothing similar existed before
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 10:35:47
Pre-nerfed as in "useless as introduced".
And "useless" defined as "there are other existing things that can already do that, and do it better and/or cheaper".
P.S. I'll be the first to agree that definition doesn't fit for rigs, since nothing similar existed before
And ofcourse taken into consideration "useless for cookie cutters"
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:41:00 -
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What do you expect Akita?
You know yourself from the testserver that the currenty state of the expansion is a bit ... wobbly. There is only a bit more than 2 weeks left for CCP and there is so much to do, they certainly do not have time to answer your general rant here and now.
Personally I would like to know why there was such an extreme short time for this expansion, actually it was only 3 month at best (from fanfest to now). And that with the biggest and most game-changing expansion ever.
Why such a haste? No one forces CCP to do 2 expansions a year, right? I would rather see one excellent expansion than two crappy.
And also I would like to see that first current stuff get FIXED and IMPROVED before tons of new stuff is half-heartedly introduced again with the promise to 'monitor' and 'watch it closely' and 'expand' it in the future. But yeah ... with that you cannot do much PR and impress clueless people out there.
Oh, and also ... Agile works wonder! 
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
And also I would like to see that first current stuff get FIXED and IMPROVED before tons of new stuff is half-heartedly introduced again with the promise to 'monitor' and 'watch it closely' and 'expand' it in the future.
Not going to happen, there is no "fix". Everyone won't like everything and a "balance" is a pipedream.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 10:55:35
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Well, back to the original point lost in the noise...
The question was, does CCP have a guy (or several guys) we can talk to (um, well, ask nicely or beg or whatever) that could respond to question like "what does CCP intend to do with <feature>" ?
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For instance, can I ask anybody there (and also get a pertinent response) to any of the following questions:
* why size-of-ship-dependant rigs (or stacks of rigs in larger ship rig slots) were not introduced from the start, and why they're not in the game nearly 2 years later ?
* why rigs have so many advantages but next to no drawbacks (and why are there rigs with absolutely no drawbacks) ?
* how much are T2 rigs supposed to cost ? If they're not costing as much as they're supposed to, why don't they increase drop rates ? If they're supposed to cost this much, WHY ?
* why do T2 BSs have lower base prices than the sum of base prices of components out of all T2 ships ?
* what is the logic behind attribute respecialisation as planned to be implemented (as in, why not just give everybody 13 base in all attributes and do away with everything, since it has almost the same end-effect for long-term players) ?
* how much are T3 ships supposed to cost, and why so much when their performance is "meh" (a.k.a. what's the point of T3 ships) ?
* what was the logic behind alchemy current values ? when can we expect a massive shift in alchemy effectiveness ? CAN we expect it ? why ? also, what was the logic in the chosen materials, why tier 3 and not the junk tier 1 ones ?
...and so on and so forth.
We can whine and complain or offer suggestions like crazy, but if nobody has the oversight, if nobody has a "vision", then everything we say is nearly pointless.
"Design by commitee" is an utter failure.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 16/02/2009 11:01:15
Yes they have them and I met them, they seem to be doing very well. Lead game designer and producers and stuff like that, every game company has them.
Stop panicing.
You might be interested in watching a few of those CCP internal movies that were aired during the alliance tournament. Maybe they're on youtube or something.
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mcnuggetlol
Amarr
Outlandish Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 10:57:46
Just quit the game and save yourself the hassle of working yourself up over nothing
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Yes they have them and I met them
So they should start talking then
We need some "so, this is what we want, here at CCP" devblogs covering NOT ONLY the new stuff, but a lot of the old, never really revisited stuff (starting with the things I mentioned above, and many more) ?
NOT devblogs about how things will be, nor how they are... but what the INTENDED use was supposed to be, and why it's not quite as intended (and when can we expect it to be as intended).
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:13:00 -
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I updated my post above, please take a look there for an answer. 
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 11:08:15
Originally by: mcnuggetlol
Just quit the game and save yourself the hassle of working yourself up over nothing
How about no ? How I choose to waste my own free time is my problem.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Yes they have them and I met them
So they should start talking then
We need some "so, this is what we want, here at CCP" devblogs covering NOT ONLY the new stuff, but a lot of the old, never really revisited stuff (starting with the things I mentioned above, and many more).
NOT devblogs about how things will be, nor how they are... but what the INTENDED use was supposed to be, and why it's not quite as intended (and when can we expect it to be as intended, if ever).
Are you being intentionally dense? You do realize that the minute they make official statements about their intents for things and then 5-6 months later when those intents change due to technical reasons or whatever that these forums including you will b*tch and p*ss and moan about broken promises. Just look at all the nerdrage over the Nos effect they showed at fanfest and when it doesn't make it into Apocrypha the whines come out in ful force. It does them no good to annouce intentions, intentions are worthless until implemented and then we get devblogs telling us what is going on. Intentions can change very quickly and once it gets put out here for the playerbase to latch onto it becomes a liability for CCP if they can't deliver or change their minds.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:22:00 -
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ITT:
Akita T knows more about everything then anyone from CCP
again.
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Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
don't ask me why different sized rigs aren't ingame...i'm as suprised
There are different sized rigs, and the determining factor is called 'rig calibration', just like normal ship mods have cpu and grid. (try to fit a tech 1 + tech II scanning rig on your covert op frig, is like trying to fit a small + medium armour repairer on a frig)
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
How about, oh, top of my head; The lack of racial specialisation and the ability to make your race matter.
Pilots Race dictates what Skill level of 'Ethnic relations' your corps CEO must train in order to have a multicultral corp
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
don't ask me why different sized rigs aren't ingame...i'm as suprised
There are different sized rigs, and the determining factor is called 'rig calibration', just like normal ship mods have cpu and grid. (try to fit a tech 1 + tech II scanning rig on your covert op frig, is like trying to fit a small + medium armour repairer on a frig)
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
How about, oh, top of my head; The lack of racial specialisation and the ability to make your race matter.
Pilots Race dictates what Skill level of 'Ethnic relations' your corps CEO must train in order to have a multicultral corp
Add "real" to both and have yourself a nice day
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Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
The question was, does CCP have a guy (or several guys) we can talk to (um, well, ask nicely or beg or whatever) that could respond to question like "what does CCP intend to do with <feature>" ?
Yes, they're called the CSM, and the Assembly hall section of the forums.
Alternativly theres a Q&A session at fanfests (although asking drunk devs at bars during fanfest will probably get more details)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
So, instead of complaining, write me a proposal.
There you go:
Linkage
Enjoy
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vaal Erit on 16/02/2009 11:40:31
Akita T must have been absent on the day Zulupark answered all questions
I'll say it one last time, CCP (like ever other video game company) throws stuff out there not exactly finished and has to constantly tweak it after it comes onto TQ. Sisi is just testing that the thing will run on Tranq. After that, we test it on tranq and CCP is busy throwing out more new stuff so they don't get around to fixing half the stuff they threw out there. A lot of stuff seems real obvious after it hits tranq for a few years. CCP is slow like a turtle in a coma sometimes.
Ankh is spot on here, make a CSM proposal with clear questions and constructive feedback or gtfo. Omg, I agree with Anhk I feel so dirty, someone get it off me please.
edit: omg now I get to troll Akitas CSM thread, yippie!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 11:45:09
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Akita T knows more about everything then anyone from CCP again.
You say it in a sarcastic manner as if it wasn't true
Originally by: Vaal Erit
edit: omg now I get to troll Akitas CSM thread, yippie!
Joy \o/
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:45:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Akita T
So... no offense, but you guys seem to be having a problem.
That problem, this time, seems to be that there's no more "oversight", or at least a severe lack of it.
You know, I don't mind completely useless stuff in the game, all games have it (e.g. white items in WoW, vendors that sell them). The issue I have with them in EVE is that a lot of development effort seems to go into things that don't really change anything and in the long run, probably make the game harder to bugfix/maintain.
I'd much prefer it if someone took a long, hard look at the client and why it is completely crap at drawing a few lines and rectangles or why it isn't responsive when there is server lag.
tl;dr: please give the "interior decorator" style developers some other game to work on and whip the coders a bit more often.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:50:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Why such a haste? No one forces CCP to do 2 expansions a year, right? I would rather see one excellent expansion than two crappy.
I would vote to postpone the expansion. As a player I would rather wait 3 more months and have the product better prepared.
Then again, I have only been playing for just under a year and a half, with not much ingame time recently, so there is still so much to learn. LMAO!
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.16 11:54:00 -
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I think I understand why this is happening. For years CCP only had a relatively small dev group which, as they were the intitial DEVS, stayed close to the core ideas and beliefs. Ofcourse that had visions/ideas which they simply couldn't implement because of a lack of funding/manpower, but they still HAD those ideas.
Now that they've attracted many more DEVS and their funding has gone up all of a sudden they can start working on all those ideas they had earlier, but obviously as some of the original DEVS aren't working on EVE anymore and ofcourse the fact that the new DEVS are (shock horror)... new, they've lost a bit of the "does this fit in with the original design ideas".
Guess why TomB made a reapperance.
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Franga
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:16:00 -
[49]
Posting in an AkitaT arrogance thread. Werd.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:20:00 -
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Please let the TomB keep out from this ,once proud owner of nerfbat took the hardest nerf even my ugly achura much better than his avatar
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Guess why TomB made a reapperance.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 12:20:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Franga
Posting in an AkitaT arrogance thread.
Now, see, this is the kind of thread I like to read more often
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.16 20:49:00 -
[52]
I agleed. Aktita for CMS. 
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Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:29:00 -
[53]
<Jonathon Stethem>
The Devils in the details 'innit. But we all knew that now didn't we. No, the issue is that the devils in the overarching scheme of things. We focus so much on holding things togeather that we're the blind fools of yesterday. Because no one expects the ground to actually swallow you where you stand. And no one expects the devil to be running the show.
</Johnathon Stethem>
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:33:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 10:35:47
Pre-nerfed as in "useless as introduced".
And "useless" defined as "there are other existing things that can already do that, and do it better and/or cheaper".
P.S. I'll be the first to agree that definition doesn't fit for rigs, since nothing similar existed before
And of course taken into consideration "useless for cookie cutters"
I;m honestly shocked someone didn't look at rig design, look at how most ships were being used, and just add a cap and or shield regen percentage bonus to all Caldari ships.
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Mr Discord
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.02.16 21:47:00 -
[55]
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
ITT:
Akita T knows more about everything then anyone from CCP again.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 22:31:00 -
[56]
postin in akita t "i'm a complete moron who has no clue about the game thread"
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.16 22:44:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Stab Wounds
postin in akita t "i'm a complete moron who has no clue about the game thread"
No, I disagleed! Akita speeks the truht and she is vewy smarat. She told us why.
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Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.16 22:48:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 16/02/2009 22:50:03
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Marauders. Good stuff. CCP said they were meant for PvE, and that's what people use them for.
Did CCP really say that ? :\ You woulda thought they'd have gotten the message when they made the abortion that is the Retribution..
DON'T MAKE SHIPS FOR PVE, WE CAN USE OUR SHIPS THAT AREN'T WORTHLESS FOR PVP FOR THAT ! THANKS.
Also I think the person Akita is missing is Oveur, not sure but I *think* he's been working more on the vampire crap than on EVE :\ whoever replaced him (if he was replaced) isn't anywhere near as good.
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Suneai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.16 22:55:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Akita T
So they should start talking then
We need some "so, this is what we want, here at CCP" devblogs covering NOT ONLY the new stuff, but a lot of the old, never really revisited stuff (starting with the things I mentioned above, and many more).
NOT devblogs about how things will be, nor how they are... but what the INTENDED use was supposed to be, and why it's not quite as intended (and when can we expect it to be as intended, if ever).
Don't you think the lead developers & designers would be a little too busy... you know... leading?
I doubt they have time to write blogs explaining themselves; they're busy trying to get things organised and make sure things are going according to plan... or when they don't go to plan, figuring out a new path.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:04:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 23:06:03
Originally by: Suneai
Don't you think the lead developers & designers would be a little too busy... you know... leading?
No, I don't think so.
The sort of question I'd like answered are the same questions I'd like them to ask themselves and discuss with their teams anyway.
Simply dropping us a couple of lines of "so this is what we thought of it" wouldn't take more than a couple of minutes.
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I doubt they have time to write blogs explaining themselves; they're busy trying to get things organised and make sure things are going according to plan... or when they don't go to plan, figuring out a new path.
See the AH thread (Linkage) about details on the proposed Q&A system.
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:09:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I agleed. Aktita for CMS.
Here here.
Adn, as mush as ti pians me ot say it, () ths nxt espanxion adn ti's currant shabbee stait (cumbiend wth ti's fasst aproechign releese dait) si maken me nervus. IMO <---- (adn let ti bee knone thsi si an enformed ((orr educated)) opineeun so thur si sum knowledge bahind ti) I think M10 si too soon. I think CCP byte off moar then they can choo. I hoep I am rong tho.
Thsi si onlee my opineeun. So flaming troles can burn fer all I caer.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:11:00 -
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Akita, day after day it seems like you are becoming more and more jaded. Sort of like Xaen did.
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jam6549
Paladines
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:35:00 -
[63]
i really wanna punch someone because of your title
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:49:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 23:52:14
Originally by: Taedrin
Akita, day after day it seems like you are becoming more and more jaded. Sort of like Xaen did.
Xaen did make a lot of good points even recently (and a lot more in the past), but he's so hate-filled already you can't even call him "jaded" anymore.
I like to hope I won't quite get "there" myself, but if the recent style of CCP performance towards old, unresolved issues keeps going... I am really in trouble
Originally by: jam6549
i really wanna punch someone because of your title
Rage projection ninjutsu, complete !
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Cailais
Amarr
0utbreak
KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.02.16 23:54:00 -
[65]
tbh I think Akita is actually the one who's missing the 'big picture' here.
If you look too closely, press your nose right up against the canvas like Akita has done, bemoaning pretty minor details such as rigs, then you'll miss the wide view.
The real issues don't reside with what ship has x number of high slots, or whether a B Ops needs a bigger cargo bay.
They exist in the arena of EVE Cosmos (extending EVE beyond the traditional client interface), WiS, planetary interaction and what 'Sovereignty' actually means (and no Im not talking about some naf bonuses to Outposts) within an MMO universe.
C.
Originally by: Capa
So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:07:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 16/02/2009 23:52:14
Originally by: Taedrin
Akita, day after day it seems like you are becoming more and more jaded. Sort of like Xaen did.
Xaen did make a lot of good points even recently (and a lot more in the past), but he's so hate-filled already you can't even call him "jaded" anymore.
I like to hope I won't quite get "there" myself, but if the recent style of CCP performance towards old, unresolved issues keeps going... I am really in trouble
Originally by: jam6549
i really wanna punch someone because of your title
Rage projection ninjutsu, complete !
Well, to be honest, it's taken CCP *WAY* too long to get the UI in order. The updated drone UI was nice, as were the updated hotkeys. Fleet UI update was nice too as it at least added glorious buttons that you can use instead of those evil right click menus. However, the problem is that the UI is fundamentally flawed. It doesn't need updates. It needs to be reworked from scratch.
However, much as that is, I just can't stand all the hate that CCP has to endure. But this might just be because I'm a CCP fanboi.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:09:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Cailais
stuff
Like I said to somebody else before, that's not the "big picture", that's the "huge picture", the "out of visual range picture" even.
My concern is with how EXISTING things fit together and work as a system, the balance of that particular system.
Most people that play EVE never even get to be concerned about soveraignty mechanics, but having alchemy being as it is affects everybody who is able to use T2 gear (and that's almost everybody).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying sov issues are not worthy of attention... quite the contrary... but calling THOSE things important (which, while massive in scale only affect a small number of people) and dismissing some trivial things (that DO affect a LOT of people, that is not to say almost everybody... and affect them noticeably) as "not worthy of being considered a part of the big picture" is a bit conceited on your behalf.
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:12:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Cailais
tbh I think Akita is actually the one who's missing the 'big picture' here.
If you look too closely, press your nose right up against the canvas like Akita has done, bemoaning pretty minor details such as rigs, then you'll miss the wide view.
The real issues don't reside with what ship has x number of high slots, or whether a B Ops needs a bigger cargo bay.
They exist in the arena of EVE Cosmos (extending EVE beyond the traditional client interface), WiS, planetary interaction and what 'Sovereignty' actually means (and no Im not talking about some naf bonuses to Outposts) within an MMO universe.
C.
This man is talking truth (usually, worth reading his posts).
Stop moaning, be productive and post about nitpicking issues you are complaining about over CSM forums, and please please please don't jump on conclussions (about next patches/expanssions). I know a lot of times CCP could be much better/faster improving/fixing/balancing or adding new content, but it's not as easy as it seems and EVE afterall is just an ecosystem with thousands of players wanting hundreads of different things and influencing each other actions.
The bigger picture has been allways clear, is about provinding tools for you to build the universe, sandbox is said. Then you need to factor how each player plays the game and how mechanics can lead to more freedom of action without screwing too much.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
However, much as that is, I just can't stand all the hate that CCP has to endure. But this might just be because I'm a CCP fanboi.
Akita T... putting the sting into constructive criticism
Seriously, asking nicely doesn't help.
Asking the CSM doesn't help much yet in the format the CSM is supposed to work at the time being, unless you can gather a lot of support... but people would rather "see titans in highsec", "not let people mine into orcas", "reverse the ghost training" or "investigate person <xyz>" than have some basic, long-lasting issues discussed (partially because they almost believe they're a lost cause, partially because they got used to it and no longer care).
Therefore, what else is left to do ? Well, you might as well "call them out" on the stuff you feel it's not quite right, since you have absolutely nothing to lose... even if prospects of improvement are dire.
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jongalt
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:19:00 -
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LOL.
akita T is the paul krugman of the eve-online forums...
-jg.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:24:00 -
[71]
Originally by: jongalt
LOL.
akita T is the paul krugman of the eve-online forums...
-jg.
It's more like Carlton Banks of the Eve-Online forums. Short, not very smart, and constantly trying to make up for his lack of social graces.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Uzume Ame
Stop moaning, be productive and post about nitpicking issues you are complaining about over CSM forums, and please please please don't jump on conclussions (about next patches/expanssions).
Oh, you mean... keep doing the same thing I used to do for the past TWO YEARS and seeing negligible improvements (but usually none whatsoever) ?
Next time you chastize something for not trying to contribute, it would help if you did your background research first.
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I know a lot of times CCP could be much better/faster improving/fixing/balancing or adding new content, but it's not as easy as it seems
YES, IT FREAKING IS EASY.
If you would have frequented the MD subforum more often, you would have noticed how a lot of the MD regulars properly predicted (and heavily capitalized on) the changes CCP made, proving without a shadow of a doubt that they are far more adept at determining the EXACT effect changes CCP makes will have in the future.
CCP has a long-lasting tradition of introducing heavily pre-nerfed, next-to-useless content, and seldom revisiting it afterwards in spite of promises to do so Soon™, in spite of protests of veteran testers when it first hits SiSi, in spite of continued pressure from users of that particular new addition/feature/whatever.
The times they DO get it absolutely right are almost completely random.
I mean, yeah, sure, you CAN just throw stuff in and see how things get, and only change something again if it gets really, really bad and enough people scream for blood... but when the same thing could have been smoothly introduced, it makes you want to tear your hair out in frustration.
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and EVE afterall is just an ecosystem with thousands of players wanting hundreads of different things and influencing each other actions.
An ecosystem CCP seems to be quite incapable of properly analysing, let alone preficting, even with the aid of their Economy professor.
Again, you only need to "lurk m0ar" into MD to see what I mean by that.
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The bigger picture has been allways clear, is about provinding tools for you to build the universe, sandbox is said.
A hammer, anvil and a truckload of gravel is also a tool for a sandbox. Doesn't mean it's suitable.
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Then you need to factor how each player plays the game and how mechanics can lead to more freedom of action without screwing too much.
Blah blah blah, no you don't.
This last part of your post proves you understand how EVE really works even less than most people at CCP do.
MAYBE some people at CCP understand how it all works, but derive some twisted pleasure out of seeing everything go out of whack every time they do something new. Maybe it's all a cruel economic experiment for the benefit of the doctor. Maybe we should all buy stocks in T3 tinfoil hats... who knows ? Either way, it's more soothing than simply saying "CCP are a captainless ship heading in the general direction we want to go to, but never getting to any destination"... more convenient to assign malice than claim incompetence... who knows ?
Long story short, no, it's not hard, and there ARE people who repeatedly proved that they're generally right about things, yet CCP either doesn't know they exist, or ignores them, or worse, they know they exist and they take their input into consideration, but for some reasons almost always reach not the best (or downright wrong) conclusions or make suboptimal decisions.
Take it as you will...
*pfft*
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Aricaan
Gallente
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:33:00 -
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Considering you have enough time to write out all these well thought out posts and instead of complaining... maybe you should just make your own game. Just saying.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:34:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Aricaan
Considering you have enough time to write out all these well thought out posts and instead of complaining... maybe you should just make your own game. Just saying.
Perhaps he could go to SOE with his idea...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:37:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 00:38:19
Originally by: Aricaan
Considering you have enough time to write out all these well thought out posts and instead of complaining... maybe you should just make your own game. Just saying.
Considering you have enough time to at least partially read and then reply to my posts, instead of complaining about my complaining, you should go out and build a house from scratch and make a decent profit selling it. Or just move into it.
I mean, the level of effort required is about the same as your suggestion (maybe even easier), so, you know, just saying.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.17 00:45:00 -
[76]
i knew it AKITA was sold
she never ranted like on this scale before and it seem in the last week or 2 she has been on this trend where as before she would just be there and point things out
we the forum elite know and have been posting with you for a long time
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 17/02/2009 01:00:28
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 00:38:19
Originally by: Aricaan
Considering you have enough time to write out all these well thought out posts and instead of complaining... maybe you should just make your own game. Just saying.
Considering you have enough time to at least partially read and then reply to my posts, instead of complaining about my complaining, you should go out and build a house from scratch and make a decent profit selling it. Or just move into it.
I mean, the level of effort required is about the same as your suggestion (maybe even easier), so, you know, just saying.
You mean...one way allows you to actually complain and pretend like you can do everything...
...the other way you are confronted with the reality of the situation and can't rant like an over privileged child anymore.
Originally by: Armoured C
Edited by: Armoured C on 17/02/2009 00:48:09
i knew it AKITA was sold
she never ranted like on this scale before and it seem in the last week or 2 she has been on this trend where as before she would just be there and point things out and help the people that ask questions :P
we the forum elite know and have been posting with you for a long time
Akita was always a horribly worthless poster. If they got sold, then there would be nowhere to go but up.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
she never ranted like on this scale before
You must be new here
Here, have a few older ones...
Linkage
Linkage
Linkage
Linkage
Linkage
...in no particular order
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:25:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 01:09:51
Originally by: Armoured C
she never ranted like on this scale before
You must be new here
Here, have a few older ones...
Linkage
Linkage
Linkage
Linkage
Linkage
...in no particular order
EDIT : the last one is hillarious in particular because they did just that, but it was still useless for the particular issues listed as a reason.
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Akita was always a horribly worthless poster. If they got sold, then there would be nowhere to go but up.
I love you too, meatbag
You are so completely full of yourself it is painful to even read the diatribe you spew onto these forums. If this game is so horrible and CCP fail so much then do the rest of us a favor and leave so we no longer have to be bothered with your complaints over everything. CCP is not perfect but who the hell could be when you have thousands of disparaging idiots like yourself who can do everything better. How about next time instead of p*ssing and moaning about things you know next to nothing about, maybe offer some constructive ideas instead of a worthless little rant. When you have run a successful multi-national game design firm and have 250k suscribers to try and please atleast a little bit because you'll never please them all (as proved daily on these forums) then you can claim your smarter than CCP about the game THEY make.
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Jor Talh
Gallente
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
Edited by: Vaal Erit on 16/02/2009 11:40:31
Akita T must have been absent on the day Zulupark answered all questions
I'll say it one last time, CCP (like ever other video game company) throws stuff out there not exactly finished and has to constantly tweak it after it comes onto TQ. Sisi is just testing that the thing will run on Tranq. After that, we test it on tranq and CCP is busy throwing out more new stuff so they don't get around to fixing half the stuff they threw out there. A lot of stuff seems real obvious after it hits tranq for a few years. CCP is slow like a turtle in a coma sometimes.
Ankh is spot on here, make a CSM proposal with clear questions and constructive feedback or gtfo. Omg, I agree with Anhk I feel so dirty, someone get it off me please.
edit: omg now I get to troll Akitas CSM thread, yippie!
Would anyone happen to have a link to the actual answers? All I see is a 16 page thread of questions. The answers would be cool.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Isil Rahsen
You are so completely full of yourself it is painful to even read the diatribe you spew onto these forums.
Not my fault you confuse bitterness and knowledge with arrogance and stupidity.
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If this game is so horrible and CCP fail so much then do the rest of us a favor and leave so we no longer have to be bothered with your complaints over everything.
IF CCP would "fail" so much they would be beyond hope, then I would indeed waste my breath. The mere fact I do bother posting means I consider there is still plenty of hope left. When very little hope would be left, I would simply stop posting, THEN as no more hope is left at all simply quit.
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CCP is not perfect but who the hell could be when you have thousands of disparaging idiots like yourself who can do everything better. How about next time instead of p*ssing and moaning about things you know next to nothing about, maybe offer some constructive ideas instead of a worthless little rant.
This "worthless little rant" WAS a constructive idea, numbskull. Learn to read.
Just because I am not sugarcoating it doesn't make it a RANT.
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When you have run a successful multi-national game design firm and have 250k suscribers to try and please atleast a little bit because you'll never please them all (as proved daily on these forums) then you can claim your smarter than CCP about the game THEY make.
When you either lived my life OR made enough predictions/warnings about this game that came through, THEN you can claim you know EVEN REMOTELY as much as I do, or are capable of understanding what this is all about.
Until then, shut your worthless piehole and go cry in a corner in yo'momma's lap, let the big boys handle the forums. m'kay ?
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Anile8er
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:45:00 -
[82]
I didnt read the OP...... but based on the topic I will post
FLAMED
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:56:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Akita T
Not my fault you confuse bitterness and knowledge with arrogance and stupidity.
There is no confusion to be had, you take it upon yourself to point out that plenty of people are more capable of balacing this game and coming up with ideas than CCP as seen here.
Originally by: Akita T
An ecosystem CCP seems to be quite incapable of properly analysing, let alone preficting, even with the aid of their Economy professor.
Again, you only need to "lurk m0ar" into MD to see what I mean by that.
Originally by: Akita T
IF CCP would "fail" so much they would be beyond hope, then I would indeed waste my breath. The mere fact I do bother posting means I consider there is still plenty of hope left. When very little hope would be left, I would simply stop posting, THEN as no more hope is left at all simply quit.
You seem to imply they fail pretty well in the quote above this one, try again to backpeddle k?
Originally by: Akita T
This "worthless little rant" WAS a constructive idea, numbskull. Learn to read.
Just because I am not sugarcoating it doesn't make it a RANT.
No it is a rant because CCP isn't coming along and holding your hand with designing their game. CCP already does what you want as pointed out above when CCP Zulupark answered any question that was asked and said it would be a regular occurence from there on out.
Originally by: Akita T
When you either lived my life OR made enough predictions/warnings about this game that came through, THEN you can claim you know EVEN REMOTELY as much as I do, or are capable of understanding what this is all about.
Until then, shut your worthless piehole and go cry in a corner in yo'momma's lap, let the big boys handle the forums. m'kay ?
Unless you work for a game design firm that has a successful MMO with 250k suscribers and are a vertible balance machine your life and prediction mean exactly squat to me. Until then you know absolutely nothing about the technical limitations imposed by this games engine, the financial impacts of dedicating development time away from keeping the game fresh and drawing in new customers to fixing issues that are already in the que but simply haven't been gotten to yet. This quote just goes to show how full of yourself you really are. Stop being a bumbling idiot and leave the forums to people who actually have a brain, and not just a worthless whine.
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Professor Jinmei
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:57:00 -
[84]
so...
can i has your stuff?
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 01:58:00 -
[85]
Haha, you think your threads are actually constructive. That is some of the most delusional thinking I have seen in a long time.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.17 02:01:00 -
[86]
EvE Online Forums:
If you post a troll post people will troll you right back.
If you post a reasonable post it will be trolled.
If you post a reasonable post that brings up valid or even semi- valid points people will troll you and then begin to attack your charecter or answer with reducto ad absurdum attakcs (might have gotten the names wrong, but arguing the extreme of a suggestion).
Good points have been made. And while I understand the futility of asking, can we please not attack Aktika simply for bringing up some questions.
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eFart
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Posted - 2009.02.17 02:02:00 -
[87]
lol op better take a breake
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.17 02:43:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Element 22
reducto ad absurdum attakcs (might have gotten the names wrong, but arguing the extreme of a suggestion).
You mean the excluded middle logical/rhetorical fallacy? The one that attempts to claim that no middle ground exists, and you are either on one end of the spectrum, or the other?
I always found that fallacy confusing, because the Excluded Middle is actually a law under boolean logic - because there IS no middle ground under boolean logic. Only true and false.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 02:44:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 02:46:41
Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Unless you work for a game design firm that has a successful MMO with 250k suscribers and are a veritable balance machine your life and prediction mean exactly squat to me.
Oh, hey, great thinking... "unless you work for Blizzard or CCP, your can not possibly have any good ideas".
Up yours.
Originally by: Element 22
EvE Online Forums:
If you post a troll post people will troll you right back.
If you post a reasonable post it will be trolled.
If you post a reasonable post that brings up valid or even semi- valid points people will troll you and then begin to attack you
So you might as well start by trolling while still bringing a message across on top of the troll, because at least this way the thread keeps on going, fueled by "rage of the unwashed masses".
Hooray for failing to notice the "do not feed the trolls" signs
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Element 22
reducto ad absurdum
You mean the excluded middle logical/rhetorical fallacy?
No, he means "Reductio ad absurdum"...
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.17 02:50:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Element 22
reducto ad absurdum attakcs (might have gotten the names wrong, but arguing the extreme of a suggestion).
You mean the excluded middle logical/rhetorical fallacy? The one that attempts to claim that no middle ground exists, and you are either on one end of the spectrum, or the other?
I always found that fallacy confusing, because the Excluded Middle is actually a law under boolean logic - because there IS no middle ground under boolean logic. Only true and false.
boolean is such a funny word.
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Malthros Zenobia
Cadian Special Operations Command
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Posted - 2009.02.17 02:50:00 -
[91]
Akita, you need to learn quality over quantity, this thread is just and shows you don't seem to 'get' EVE, even after years of trolling the forums.
Are you Maya Rkell? Starting to see some similarities (you don't argue in every other thread with Avon though) and they seemed to leave around the time you appeared.
To answer your terribly written question though, CCP Hammer is the lead game developer, even listed as such in the dev finder.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 02:52:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 02:54:35
But does he actually have the power to axe junk or is he more of a coordinator and not much more ?
And if we ask him stuff like the examples, can he give pertinent answers ?
P.S. And his most recent real devblog is 2+ years old, and forum presence slim to none too.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 03:03:00 -
[93]
Reading threads like this it sure is a shock that he doesn't post on the forums anymore.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 03:25:00 -
[94]
Yes, because you're so much better than this, but you just had to say it anyway, not out of spite or anything, but a genuine concern for your fellow players or somesuch bull...
And you're reading threads like this PRECISELY BECAUSE people like him stopped posting in the forums, writing devblogs and so on and so forth.
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.17 03:28:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 02:48:53
Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Unless you work for a game design firm that has a successful MMO with 250k suscribers and are a veritable balance machine your life and prediction mean exactly squat to me.
Oh, hey, great thinking... "unless you work for Blizzard or CCP, your can not possibly have any good ideas".
Up yours.
No plenty of good ideas come from outside the Dev's which was proved when Khanid Mk. II was implemented. However your "idea" falls far short of this. In part because we already have 2 such mechanisms to communicate with the Dev team, and because of the way you present it as a flame directed towards CCP. Then you go on to claim CCP are imcompentent with balance and forethought later in the thread all while demanding they lay out their ideas for review.
Good way to get anywhere with the people who work on the game. Anytime they do this and can't deliver on time or because of a technical reason they get their skulls beaten in by people like you. You will see the evidence of this by all the Black Ops flames that will start up because the fix hasn't made it into Apocrypha. Same with sized rigs and salvage conversion not making it in yet.
You claim that fixing all this stuff is easy to do, and I would like to know how you know how much work would have to go into implementing these things? Assets are already tied up working on not only Apocrypha, the next expansion which could already include the things you talk about, WiS, and who knows what else. It takes awhile to fix things for a reason not just because CCP said screw it lets just leave it.
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.02.17 03:43:00 -
[96]
Maybe is time to write the mandatory GB2WOW & "can I haz your stuff" post?
Easy mate: if you don't like it what the **** are you doing paying for it.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 03:52:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Akita T
Yes, because you're so much better than this, but you just had to say it anyway, not out of spite or anything, but a genuine concern for your fellow players or somesuch bull...
And you're reading threads like this PRECISELY BECAUSE people like him stopped posting in the forums, writing devblogs and so on and so forth.
Yes, I am better than you.
And I read threads like this specifically so I can tell you how much you sound like a little girl who didn't get the toy he wanted from her mommy.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:02:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 04:03:30
Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Good way to get anywhere with the people who work on the game.
Because ASKING NICELY and presenting alternatives YEARS AGO worked so well, didn't it ?
Quote:
You claim that fixing all this stuff is easy to do, and I would like to know how you know how much work would have to go into implementing these things?
Oh, let's see...
"Fixing the Black Ops issue ?"
* change FOUR database fields from 2 to 3 or 4 or 9999(light years jump range)
* multiply FOUR OTHER database fields (cargo space) by some constant (1.5, 2, 2.5, whatever) OR divide YET OTHER FOUR fields (fuel/ly consumption) by some other constant (2,3,10,100, whatever floats your boat)
Oh, my, that was complicated indeed.
It's not an issue of manhours work needed, it's an issue of "do we want this like that or not?".
"Fixing the rigs size issue ?"
* increase drop rates of salvage by factor of 10
* change rig manufacture portion size to 10, leave everything else as is
* remove all rigs from ships and place them in ship's cargohold
* multiply all rig amounts in cargoes, hangars and sell/buy orders by a factor of 10, and divide sell/buy order price by a factor of 10
* the hard part - add a "rigs needed per upgrade slot" field for all ships, and have THAT MANY be needed to fill the slot (not more, not less)
Except for the last part, no freaking big deal.
"Fixing T2 rig prices ?"
* increase drop rates by roughly the same factor you want prices to drop
Really, IT IS that simple. You can fine-tune later if still not where you want them to be.
"Fix issue of invention waste ?" or "Waah waah T2 BPOs waah".
* make T1 BPC ME/PE levels matter too
It's a simple "database get" pair, a trivial calculation (capping effect at whatever the hell you feel it's fair depending on T1 BPC levels and decryptor used), then you're freaking DONE.
"Fix the dysprosium/promethium/alchemy issue ?"
* in the alchemy reactions, replace "Cadmium" with "Atmospheric Gases" (and the same for all other 3 types of "tier 3 rarity" materials, replace them with some "tier 1 junk")
* increase quantity from 100x (ex-Cadmium, now Atmospheric Gasses) to 1000x (yes, ONLY 1000x)
* don't touch anything else
Oh, wow, now that was such a big deal. Sure, dysprosium prices will plummet like a brick (to, umm, say, 40-50k a piece) while Atmospheric Gasses will rise to never-seen-before price heights (like, maybe around 500 or even 1000 ISK a piece), but that WAS THE WHOLE POINT.
So, where exactly in any of the above do you see any MASSIVE amount of developer time needed ?
With the exception of the rig size "this is the difficult part", it's something it shouldn't even take HOURS of coding for ONE person.
They could freaking do it ALL IN ONE DAY with a handful of people.
But they won't.
MY QUESTION IS : WHY THE F@#%^@#%K NOT ?
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:16:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Akita T
...MY QUESTION IS : WHY THE F@#%^@#%K NOT ?...
A:Because.
And that is likely to be your best answer too. Sorry Akita. That's how the cookie disintergrates and some such. I mean you didn't actually hope for a dev response. I know you're not that green.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:18:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 04:20:24
Originally by: Rondo Gunn
Originally by: Akita T
...MY QUESTION IS : WHY THE F@#%^@#%K NOT ?...
A:Because.
And that is likely to be your best answer too.
Eh, and I'm supposed to like it ? The hell I am...
Originally by: Rondo Gunn
I mean you didn't actually hope for a dev response.
Meh, 0.42%-ish chance of dev reply, at best
I mean, I've been known to (seldom, but at least once in a blue moon) troll some CCP replies out
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:19:00 -
[101]
It's not me, it's you.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:21:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 04:21:53
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
It's not me, it's you.
Yes, you're on Prozac/Valium, I'm not.
My fault, amirite ?
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:27:00 -
[103]
You don't know? EvE is hell. Seriously. It is a special hell made for people. WoW is the lower circle. <insert obligatory> I have altered the deal. Pray that I do not alter it further. </obligatory>
The reason why is because of the emo-rage-quits and upsets. Look at what's happening now. If they did this it would be a huge risk. My opinon right now is that CCP is trying to push out W-space and WiS and get that up and running. Try to iron the basic bugs AND then go back and do a huge revamping that way. The idea being to get a whole bunch of new players and keep all the old ones complaining about lack of space and stuff to do.
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Rondo Gunn
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:50:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Akita T
Eh, and I'm supposed to like it ? The hell I am...
Well, no. But reality is reality. And in this instance: it is a *****.
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Isil Rahsen
Ferrum Superum
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Posted - 2009.02.17 04:56:00 -
[105]
It all depends on what kind of assets their working with and how they can be freed up to do the fixes. Atm CCP has a lot on their plates with the deadline for Apocrypha(self imposed but none the less they have to make it now). From the thread in Game Development the rig changes were pushed back as they simply didn't have the people to do it before the deadline so I think they are stretched pretty thin.
As far as your suggestions to black ops, changing the jump range and lack of fuel capacity will not fix the problem with them being sub-par in almost every situation with no real role. Coming up with a role for them, say bridging covert ops fleets into cyno jammed system(By being able to break the jam themselves to jump in) is harder. This could take extensive coding depending on how cyno jammers work. Rig sizes are an easy looking fix from a database prospective but then you have to balance the rig effects across the different sizes (perhaps adding draw backs or tweaking them). I would say they spend more time on balance than any other aspect of changing the game. It's safe to say they don't want to drop T2 rig prices too much(balance again) and that's why they want this salvage conversion with a waste factor to keep the value up. Shouldn't be too hard to code in considering it's basically just alchemy with salvage so that's an easier one to do. I won't comment on invention as I'm not involved with it and don't presume to know how to fix it or how involved it would be.
The why they haven't been fixed in previous expansions (Quantum Reboot is a prime example of balancing and server side improvements sapping time from other fixes.) is likely due to them getting pushed back in the fix que behind the sovereignty re-design, and other such *hot-button* (*cough* nanos) issues to the 0.0 crowd along with new stuff getting added into the que ahead. The alchemy problem will likely never be resolved as it will severly upset the balance of power in 0.0 and the outrage there would be unrivaled.
Largely CCP is shackled to some problems never getting fixed due to player backlash, while others get pushed back in favor of trying to keep the game fresh. It sucks but flaming the devs for it won't do much if anything. As far as CCP telling us in advance of their intentions, I think this community has burned them and quite frankly the less they say the better in their eyes incase something doesn't work out or if priorities change.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.17 05:30:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 04:21:53
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
It's not me, it's you.
Yes, you're on Prozac/Valium, I'm not.
My fault, amirite ?
I have no idea what drugs you may, or may not, be on. But I don't think random attacks that mean nothing validate your point.
It's already clear no one of any importance takes you seriously anyway, or cares what you have to say.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Aricaan
Gallente
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.02.17 06:09:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 17/02/2009 00:38:19
Originally by: Aricaan
Considering you have enough time to write out all these well thought out posts and instead of complaining... maybe you should just make your own game. Just saying.
Considering you have enough time to at least partially read and then reply to my posts, instead of complaining about my complaining, you should go out and build a house from scratch and make a decent profit selling it. Or just move into it.
I mean, the level of effort required is about the same as your suggestion (maybe even easier), so, you know, just saying.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.17 09:54:00 -
[108]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
It's already clear no one of any importance takes you seriously anyway, or cares what you have to say.
Hooray, so I can post whatever I want then !
Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Largely CCP is shackled to some problems never getting fixed due to player backlash, while others get pushed back in favor of trying to keep the game fresh. It sucks but flaming the devs for it won't do much if anything.
As opposed to what, shutting up and just accepting it as a fact ?
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.02.17 12:53:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 17/02/2009 05:00:13
It all depends on what kind of assets their working with and how they can be freed up to do the fixes. Atm CCP has a lot on their plates with the deadline for Apocrypha(self imposed but none the less they have to make it now). From the thread in Game Development the rig changes were pushed back as they simply didn't have the people to do it before the deadline so I think they are stretched pretty thin.
Um... if you can't get your existing features to work right, then pull resources off the new stuff until it is ship shape.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.17 15:49:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Char'elle Kosaan
your topic heading makes anything you have to say after it pointless
Indeed, that "comedy language" is akin to a "please ignore me" sign.
Besides, ibtl.
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Loo Kinn
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Posted - 2009.02.17 16:44:00 -
[111]
It's me! I'm the Helm Leader the OP is talking about...When i get a mic i will prove it to you. |
Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.17 18:45:00 -
[112]
OMFG EVEISNOTHOWIWANTIT RARARARARABLLERABBLE
akita will you stop *****ing
if you dont like it , go play another superspace excel spaceship epeen game
NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PLAY FFS although putting a gun to this thread and killing off the crap you been blabbering on about for the last 4 pages ¼_¼ if CCp **** it up then it themselves to blame if they loose all customers then they have themselves to blame , your in no position to tell them what to do as it not your game, your a customer, if you dont like your service , go somewhere else
if you WERE so intelligent as you claimed then you would of already figured this out and be making millions in your own game
go dance on a fire  that your ships fire ... with holes in it
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