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ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:38:00 - [1] i hope to explain this is a proper way :) when you have a ship t1 one or t2 there are few choices to use/fit the ship so you will know pretty well how the ship will be able to tank/dps/etc.But whit T3 you get more choices some part give more speed, other more power grind, other cpu, other fitting slots etc What this make is that our expectation to be much bigger that should be, so there you can get the parts to build ultimate tank ship you get the ship is good it tank well but is not what you expected to be whit all this options you get some kind of illusion for ultimate tank ship. now come on troll me
Atari Sakura Minmatar INTERNET HARBLRAGE	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:48:00 - [2] ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT?

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:54:00 - [3] So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more.

maCH'EttE Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:00:00 - [4] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. Quoting this for awesome CCP response! Originally by: ISD Devil Hanzo I got pwned!
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:06:00 - [5] Edited by: ceaon on 19/02/2009 19:08:03 Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. Actually copy -> paste is the best solution because you dont have to compare. Example: People that appeal to agents (to buy a house/cars/company's) get less frustration about their final house they got only the experience of having the final thing, the agent have to deal and sort out all feature that the client want. like the title say this is a theory the time will tell i guess on CCP you dont have a marketing-psychologist Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
maCH'EttE Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:09:00 - [6] Still in before ceaon makes any sense. Originally by: ISD Devil Hanzo I got pwned!
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Horsemen of Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Atari Sakura ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT? /thread im sorry, that was hilarious
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:44:00 - [8] why is this in OOPE?
Casiella Truza White Rose Society	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:47:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. THIS is why I love CCP and EVE.
rValdez5987 Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:53:00 - [10] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. Quoting because whisper is now my favorite dev.... next to oneiromancer and nozh of course, because damn, they are awesome.

annoing	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:56:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. If your arse wasnt so big and smelly, i'd kiss it
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.19 20:08:00 - [12] I'm loving the new "angry" Devs Various threads have their posts now, much better than the old style "friendly-helpful" type. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 20:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Last Wolf why is this in OOPE? is posted this here, human psychology is not related to eve Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.02.19 20:15:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. brb, updating signature... __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.19 20:28:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. I ♥ CCP - Infectious -
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.19 20:31:00 - [16] Originally by: ceaon Originally by: Last Wolf why is this in OOPE? is posted this here, human psychology is not related to eve Actually, I agree with Last Wolf here, this thread should be in "Ships and Modules" but, being as a Dev has posted here and the thread hasn't been moved... I guess it's in the right place. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.19 21:08:00 - [17] Originally by: rValdez5987 Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. Quoting because whisper is now my favorite dev.... next to oneiromancer and nozh of course, because damn, they are awesome. What about Mitnal? Everyone loves Mitnal. Although Whisper just got himself promoted to most awesomesauce dev ever. Jesus christ I laughed at that.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.19 21:10:00 - [18] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 19/02/2009 21:12:01 Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. Which will be true for the whole 15 minutes it takes for everyone to figure out the perfect cookie-cutter setups, once final stats are released on SiSi and added to EFT. Sure, it'll take a bit more work to figure out the best combinations (thanks to so many ways of getting the same slot layouts, etc), but it's just wishful thinking to expect cookie-cutter setups to go away just because there are more variables. -----------
Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.19 21:20:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.19 21:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. Which will be true for the whole 15 minutes it takes for everyone to figure out the perfect cookie-cutter setups, once final stats are released on SiSi and added to EFT. Sure, it'll take a bit more work to figure out the best combinations (thanks to so many ways of getting the same slot layouts, etc), but it's just wishful thinking to expect cookie-cutter setups to go away just because there are more variables. Also, the INSANE costs of those specific T3 parts which WILL be part of the cookie-cutter setups, on top of pretty damned high cost for all parts in general. Why, you ask ? Because the way you set up the harvesting of needed resources, processing chain and research/manufacture needed just cries for "OMFG, this can't possibly be even remotely cheap", even for the less in-demand parts (a.k.a. junk). _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK

ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Akita T Also, the INSANE costs of those specific T3 parts which WILL be part of the cookie-cutter setups, on top of pretty damned high cost for all parts in general. Why, you ask ? Because the way you set up the harvesting of needed resources, processing chain and research/manufacture needed just cries for "OMFG, this can't possibly be even remotely cheap", even for the less in-demand parts (a.k.a. junk). i my opinion that is not the main problem (like i try to explain here) this t3 stuff create a big expectation and will fail to deliver. Somos universales, Pero andamos como el resto de los mortales, Ocultando nuestros miedos, Parece que no pero las guapas tambien se tiran pedos, Tambien los listos sumamos con los dedos.
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Although Whisper just got himself promoted to most awesomesauce dev ever. Jesus christ I laughed at that. I don't know, Wranglers "that's what Hello Kity Online is for" is pretty hard to beat. _______________ This is EVE. Here you have the right to settle any disagreements with lethal force.
rotweiler Gallente Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:26:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. omg honestly remember you are a representative of a big company mr whisper. that response was so childish it isnt funny. You said booho cry some more implying you didnt like what he said and you think its ridiculus and childish to the point that he seems like crying over it. and you answer at the same level... what does that make the EVEO forums ? a kindergarden ? Im speechless ...
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Daelorn Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. /Thread -------------------------------------------
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:32:00 - [25] Both Whisper and ceaon are correct, in a way. No doubt someone will find an optimum fit for different roles. Eg "Snipa-Loki" which uses components 1-3-4-2-1 or whatever, and allows you to fit rails. However, don't expect someone to just hand you these setups on a plate, at least not in the short term. People will have to loose shipd in order to determine which setups do and don't work, and due to their incredibly limited supply in the short term, fits are going to be non existant. What I do the rest of the time
Muhammed Jafar	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:43:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. Originally by: CCP Gangleri I was going to reply with something constructive and useful, but after reading the thread I think it would be pointless.
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:43:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. The bitterness is strong in this one. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Phantom Slave JUDGE DREAD Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:45:00 - [28] Originally by: rotweiler Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. omg honestly remember you are a representative of a big company mr whisper. that response was so childish it isnt funny. You said booho cry some more implying you didnt like what he said and you think its ridiculus and childish to the point that he seems like crying over it. and you answer at the same level... what does that make the EVEO forums ? a kindergarden ? Im speechless ... No, CCP Whisper is a representative of only himself, not the company as a whole. The sooner people realize that the devs are HUMAN BEINGS with their own faults and emotions towards certain subjects, the sooner everybody will stop complaining about some of the devs having a bit of fun at the expense of somebody else. I don't see the OP complaining about the response, why should anybody else?
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:45:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more. How impressively bitter. Did someone troll you on SHC? ---
Frug Repo Industries	Posted - 2009.02.19 22:56:00 - [30] Originally by: rotweiler omg honestly remember you are a representative of a big company mr whisper. that response was so childish it isnt funny. You said booho cry some more implying you didnt like what he said and you think its ridiculus and childish to the point that he seems like crying over it. and you answer at the same level... what does that make the EVEO forums ? a kindergarden ? Im speechless ... If you're speechless you should stfu and stop posting. Whisper wins the forums by representing what a large segment of this community - the segment worth listening to - is thinking. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles



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