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RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:47:00 - [1] Today it seems to me providential that fate should have chosen Delve as the place of my re-birth into Eve Online. A call went out to many of us who had put our stuff on "hold". "BoB just lost everything. Log back in to Eve Online and kill everyone in Delve. We are moving to Delve". Thus, the mass exodus of players coming back to Eve Online began, as did the final stage of the greatest PvP war ever. Skip ahead to yesterday and you find me taking a break to realize just how different things have become. My ship, long since outlived it's day, has been mine for over a year and a half. In this time, I have had the unique perspective of watching the biggest war in any game ever from what other games would call a "scout class". I'm a "covops" pilot. A cloaking ship of great speed and no defenses or weapons except the information I gather. My job is to go deep in to enemy territory, gather any and all information about infrastructure and hostile movement, and report back. There are many of us, but we rarely ever work in the same area. I can go days without being on grid with friendly forces or having the chance to dock safely. I can sit undetected on the front lines, literally sitting next to an enemy force that fills my screen. My type can be across the universe in an hour, can run any kind of blockade, and can find you anywhere in a system within half a minute where I will bring an entire fleet of capitals down on you. But I didn't come to write a newbie guide. I came to talk to you today about the end of the largest war any game has ever seen. The fall of the last major threat my alliance has and how I've had the great privilege to witness it first hand for almost 2 years now. Towers. War in 0.0 is all about towers, when you break it down to it's most basic form, just as combat in the real world is broken down to it's most basic form of ammo. You run out of ammo, you are dead. You can no longer fight, you must run away. I have been tracking tower counts, amongst other things, for my duration in Eve, and I am almost teary eyed to see that our greatest enemy, KenZoku (formerly known as Band of Brothers) has finally been overwhelmed. I know I sound like a propaganda poster and I know you don't want to read stuff that conflicts with what your friends are saying, but speaking as someone that does this all day every day (God I'm a nerd...) I can prove everything I say. Anyone is willing to hop in to a covops ship and come see for themselves. Let's just continue and everything will be clear. When I first started scouting the "Great War", I could gather an entire constellation of intel in a day, no problem. Move through a system, get information on towers and covops traps, any hostile fleets, and move on. Fleet battles were in the hundreds on each side and would sometimes involve capital ships, with some great battles climaxing in a super capital arrival or death. I used to think things were crazy (and they were by other games' standards of PvP), but I now look back on those days with fondness in how little there was to do. Fast forward to Delve, present day. We've all heard the story of the BoB traitor who "turned off" all their sov. This isn't about that (although LOL). This is about the aftermath. Towers today are being deployed and destroyed in larger numbers than the entirety of my Eve life combined, times 5, and ambushes and battles are hourly occurrences, no longer the time-spaced events that people used to grab hotpockets for. Delve today has seen more combat than any region of any game in MMO history except perhaps the brit graveyards of the original Ultima Online. People who I used to only see in the northern part of the galaxy (sometimes dealing drugs or rare items with) were being spotted in high numbers, and with assets to reinforce themselves which must have taken weeks to move. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:48:00 - [2] Delve has become a massive zone of combat, divided by three main warring parties. A dominating force of invaders, a disorganized coalition of various peoples from all over the universe that are disrupting trade and importation (mainly piracy), and a resistance/guerrilla-style fighting force of the original occupants (think of the French resistance to ** controlled Paris). Just as I write this, I make a pass around Delve. Just a couple jumps, maybe 4. I see every gate has multiple corpses amongst ship wrecks, anchored bubbles on nearly all gates, and forces move back and force in various fights spanning multiple fleets doing different things for different factions. There is no where that is empty, and that in itself is amazing. But Roy, you said this was the end of the Great War. Yes. I feel it strongly, based on what I see that the war will be won soon for the invading fleets, my friends. Yes, it sounds biased, but it can be proven by simply flying to Delve and looking at it. Delve tower counts are fluctuating in massive fashion, with some systems seeing 20-50 towers downed in a single attack by our invading heroes, roaming gangs of my brothers flow through pipes nearly bumping in to each other on their way to deal with threats half their size at best, and the hostile former residents are showing less and less at an astoundingly fast rate of desertion. The various groups of people from other parts of the universe come and attack both sides still, but they have ceased placing any assets of worth nearby (in some cases, Goonswarm merchants are the only ones to buy from anywhere in the near territory as they have pushed out all other businesses and established market hubs) and have been content it seems to do smaller attacks of piracy amongst merchants and other softer targets. Some that dont play this game might not understand the sheer numbers here, so let me break it down this way; more people are fighting in Eve in this one tiny region of one tiny corner of the game universe than are fighting in all the battlegrounds of WoW combined (fact checked February 23, 2009 at USA time zone prime). Goonswarm and the invading allies have turned more than half of Delve in to a fortress of death that expands slowly but hourly. Some covops that scan a system have to return to it a mere 20 minutes later as its infrastructure has changed due to conflict. Ive seen our enemies attempts at counter attack foiled again and again and again. Less and less attacks are reported by the former residents, with less and less effectiveness or use of assets of value. Enemy leadership is, for lack of a better term, MIA, giving vague orders such as go to this system and defend for awhile. Former slave corporations of KenZoku have begun openly questioning their leaders, something no one dared do once and something that was once considered treason of the highest order. Much like the storyline Amarr leaders, KenZoku still holds authority amongst its corporations where it has a presence at the time and there are no enemies, but near-instantly loses control or respect once they have moved on. They operate from various POS towers placed sometimes in back water systems for quick strike capabilities and movement (since any tower placed is sieged within an hour or two these days) which are then moved before Goonswarm forces can arrive. They have become, in a nutshell, a resistance group rather than a major power bloc that threatens liberty in the entire game, as before. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"**
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:49:00 - [3] At current expansion rates, Goonswarm and allies will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months, more than half of 0.0 in 7 months, and will obtain total control of all conquerable, lawless space by a year and 2 months (and 17 days) assuming the infrastructure of such a massive empire could ever be supported by the amount of players Eve Online has. Thank you for reading this, but more importantly thank you all for giving me a fun game again. Thank you, the enemy, for making such a war possible and allowing my humble self to bare witness to such a PvP event. Thank you to CCP, for as much as we *** and moan we still love your game. And finally, thank you to Darius JOHNSON, peace be with him, for his leadership, his mercy, and his praise where granted. Any and every goon would gladly give what we have to see him triumph over whoever he deems worthy of his grief, and making him happy makes all of us happy. May he have mercy on the universe, because in 3 months you can combine the forces of every alliance in the game and we would still be stronger, gien current expansion rates. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"**
Loki L'Odin Gallente Asshats and Alcoholics Turbo.	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Loki L''Odin on 23/02/2009 09:58:13 Originally by: RoyofCA I know I sound like a propaganda poster... mhm... props for content tho...more than usual from a Goon edit: ninja first-ish!!!
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:01:00 - [5] Makes me soooo glad im no longer allied to Goons after reading this lol
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:05:00 - [6] I'm no poet, nor am I a smart man by any means. I'm just a guy that tracks and records these things. Forgive me if I don't do justice to this great PvP event with my stupidity and horrible posting, but I am trying. The main point is in the third part, and it makes me very happy as I lean back and smoke my pipe. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
nadro Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:15:00 - [7] Originally by: RoyofCA Some that dont play this game might not understand the sheer numbers here, so let me break it down this way; more people are fighting in Eve in this one tiny region of one tiny corner of the game universe than are fighting in all the battlegrounds of WoW combined (fact checked February 23, 2009 at USA time zone prime). fighting? good read though, nice change from 'we had a fleet of 600 and there was a fleet of 500 and then those 10 fools with motherships mining'. also, obligatory 'lolrp'
Omeega Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:18:00 - [8] thee-elle;dee-errr Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Evocationz Amarr Terra Nostra Shadows Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:18:00 - [9] unusual post from a goons, but good, it woefully incorrect Shamelessly Stolen Sig - it Owns All
URDEAD2ME Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:22:00 - [10] seems that things a changed simce i been away but i see people still trying to take bobs space and in this case taking it ... but there is one thing people i have faith that bob or whatever there called now will return as they did when the tortuga super friends tryed to turn there home into theres . i feel bob will return and take whats been theres for so long it will be in time we shall see and im sure it will be a intresting time a head ..
Xiut Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:25:00 - [11] Hi Billy
Seth Quantix Amarr Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:35:00 - [12] Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
Lisis Markham Gallente The Galactic Inquisition	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:47:00 - [13] more stories about wars like this! I don't think I've ever read a story from a covert ops pilot. wars fascinate me. I'm a carebear who wouldn't risk it but like hearing about this!
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I believe RoyofCA has done his best to present what he witness as impartially as he can, altho being bound to one side of the conflict from reading his post you can tell that he is doing his best to put his point across as politely as he can, do his post some justice and take your trolling elsewhere bitter guy
Seth Quantix Amarr Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:48:00 - [15] Edited by: Seth Quantix on 23/02/2009 11:51:11 Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I believe RoyofCA has done his best to present what he witness as impartially as he can, altho being bound to one side of the conflict from reading his post you can tell that he is doing his best to put his point across as politely as he can, do his post some justice and take your trolling elsewhere bitter guy No simply because the whole space taking thing in Delve is based on someone causing the alliance holding space to loose all defences. The taking of delve has to be the wost case of exploiting game mechanics in a way they where not intended. based on that what merit does this have: Quote: At current expansion rates, Goonswarm and allies will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months if they truly fought for the space then perhaps it might be worth wile, as they used the cowards way of taking it i will have zero respect for anyone that has assisted or supported there actions. facts are that anyone that is in delve taking space is and allways will be unable to kill BOB as BOB disbanded holding space uncontested and they are the only alliance in game that will ever be able to say thatno matter how cowardly it happened. ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
Berious Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:53:00 - [16] Damn Roy what happened to you? You used to be cool :smith:
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I can prove everything I said. That is why I said it. I admit openly that it sounds like propaganda, but let's take a look at the war at the point you bring up (the mass evacuation of all Goonswarm assets from the east) You mention that Goonswarm has lost all of it's space. You are both right and wrong. Goonswarm infrastructure all over the south and south east are being contested and many towers are going up and down, with Goonswarm offering zero resistance to any siege. All Goonswarm space east of Querious has been admittedly lost and will not be taken back anytime soon. Even if Goonswarm wanted to, they could not retake these territories right now. However, let's look at Goonswarm in Delve. While in the east, Goonswarm infrastructure was lost at or around a rate of 2/3 towers per week. This went either way, but the trend was our territory shrinking in toward the station at 77s (Detorid region) at an increasing rate (aka dying). Since invading Delve, Goonswarm infrastructure construction rate has increased over 650%. This is only major and minor space assets we are talking about, not even counting the many stations we now control. We are building so fast, and destroying enemy infrastructure so quickly, and having scouted the invaders eastern tower placements, I estimate we will have sov 4 in the majority of our new space and be seriously threatening Period Basis and Querious (maybe already have taken some fringe systems) by the time anyone (even a combined force of all eastern alliances) could counter attack. To counter attack quicker than 3 months would require the fastest building alliance in the east (I believe it was Against All Authorities in Estoria but don't remember off the top of my head) to build 313% faster than they are now. Basically, 50% of the fleet size I've seen of them in Delve would need to be hauling towers east of us to prepare. They aren't, obviously. The various pirate alliances around Delve are making good money, I must say. Demand for goods in Delve climbed nearly 2000% over the course of a week, and has since out paced all methods of supply COMBINED (that means people can not build AND import enough to feed the amount of things being bought in Delve, even with all the JFs and factory slots now available) and attacks on merchant ships are still reported. I said this in the thread I believe, once again being open with everyone and factual. If you want to talk facts, I can do that all day Seth. What I want to know is, if the facts are leaning toward a Goonswarm victory (which they clearly are, anyone in the game can fly to these locations and verify everything I've said) then would our enemies even admit they are beaten anyway? No, of course not. I wouldn't if it was me. So why should we all expect anything less than propaganda from KenZoku right now? We all know this, so why should we expect anything from them except it? Why would you believe anything they say right now? Heck, don't believe anything I say, fly out to these locations and map them for yourself. You will see I am right and my estimates are actually giving the enemy more leeway than is present. Lastly, your corporation is named Force of Evil, haha! "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
BuIIseye Amarr Pax Amarria Corp	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:00:00 - [18] You should of named this thread: "People of EVE-Online!" Originally by: RoyofCA I know I sound like a propaganda poster... I stopped reading here.
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:13:00 - [19] Originally by: RoyofCA ... the final stage of the greatest PvP war ever ... Is it? If PvP to you means Player-versus-POS, yea - it probably is. I can't remember an event where more POSes and modules have been destroyed and re-deployed in such a short time. However, what is happening right now does not make anyone involved a great PVP pilot, corporation or alliance. It makes you very good demolition workers. I have no problem with BoB being disbandened and destroyed. What doesn't compute are the tactics used by the overwhelming NC/Goons/PL force and calling it something great or epic. It's not PVP, its math. 100 pilots beat 10 pilots, 1000 pilots beat 100 pilots, more friendly POS than hostile POS means SOV. I for one can't wait for the first EVE video about this invasion. I got ahold of the transcript early (thanks anonymous goon): [0:03:16] <tell a story about how BoB are evil and goons the heroic outnumbered rebels> [0:12:52] <show pictures of POS-shooting in PUIG> [0:14:41] <show some epic dogfights, choreographed and recorded on Sisi> [0:17:23] <show pictures of POS-shooting in Y-OMTZ> [0:19:10] <show a long-range bs gang being double-DD'd, recorded on Sisi> [0:25:55] <show pictures of POS-shooting in NOL> [0:29:02] <show a big goon bee as the victor, name allies in small font somewhere too>
Valkazm Amarr Russian Specnaz Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:37:00 - [20] One of the first videos Goonfleet D-day then there is a PL one aswell . Thanks for the read i enjoyed it .
Lee Bian Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Crimson Justice It's not PVP, its math. 100 pilots beat 10 pilots, 1000 pilots beat 100 pilots, 1 pilot in space beats 10 in station
Vincent Athen Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Crimson Justice [0:19:10] <show a long-range bs gang being double-DD'd, recorded on Sisi> Of course. It is well known that goons have used a doomsday or been on the receiving end of a doomsday on tranquility.
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:03:00 - [23] Originally by: RoyofCA Lastly, your corporation is named Force of Evil, haha! about as correct as that the Corp is domination the Alliance is Force of Evil, so far ecerything you said is full of the propaganda u seem to have been drip fed
Ronja Mistysdottir Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Seth Quantix Edited by: Seth Quantix on 23/02/2009 11:51:11 Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I believe RoyofCA has done his best to present what he witness as impartially as he can, altho being bound to one side of the conflict from reading his post you can tell that he is doing his best to put his point across as politely as he can, do his post some justice and take your trolling elsewhere bitter guy No simply because the whole space taking thing in Delve is based on someone causing the alliance holding space to loose all defences. The taking of delve has to be the wost case of exploiting game mechanics in a way they where not intended. based on that what merit does this have: Quote: At current expansion rates, Goonswarm and allies will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months if they truly fought for the space then perhaps it might be worth wile, as they used the cowards way of taking it i will have zero respect for anyone that has assisted or supported there actions. facts are that anyone that is in delve taking space is and allways will be unable to kill BOB as BOB disbanded holding space uncontested and they are the only alliance in game that will ever be able to say thatno matter how cowardly it happened. Delve was taken down in best 'BOB' style. Best use of game mechanics since ET came to Immensea with target painters and killed a station in 30 min...
JeanPaul Sartre Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:11:00 - [25] tl;dr version? -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:18:00 - [26] troll thread #10000000
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I believe RoyofCA has done his best to present what he witness as impartially as he can, altho being bound to one side of the conflict from reading his post you can tell that he is doing his best to put his point across as politely as he can, do his post some justice and take your trolling elsewhere bitter guy troll OP supported by troll posting, didnt see that one coming :\|
Zzelle Caldari Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Crimson Justice What doesn't compute are the tactics used by the overwhelming NC/Goons/PL force and calling it something great or epic. It's not PVP, its math. 100 pilots beat 10 pilots, 1000 pilots beat 100 pilots, more friendly POS than hostile POS means SOV. I think you might be underestimating the logistics of all this. Immediately after the disbanding of BoB, there was some mockery of GoonSwarm for doing this on the spur of the moment and not as the end result of a grand plan. There were those who insisted that it could never work without huge preparation. There are still those who seem to think that GoonSwarm is hoping to hold on to the south and that the loss of those abandoned systems is a huge blow. But think about this for a second. The south completely abandoned... hundreds of towers deployed in days in Delve... nonstop destruction of Kenny towers in Delve... constant coordinated operations with allies... a weeklong (so far!) camp of PR-, locking down opposing forces in their staging system... unbelievable amounts of fuel for towers and capfleets constantly in motion. Seems pretty epic to me. As the seventh day of occupation rolls around in systems the sov map is going to start to reflect all this. The things that Roy and others, such as myself, see when cataloging towers in systems every day. Then, yes, it's not over -- we've got to hold on to this space. Soon, it will be the only space we have. That's motivation. Numbers help. Without participation you can't get very far. But logistics wins wars.
Camilo Cienfuegos Caldari Earned In Blood	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:42:00 - [29] Most enjoyable post, thank you. tl;dr "I felt a great disturbance in the Force" - Originally by: The Cuckoo Good luck in defending idiotic and greedy noobs, as far as I'm concerned, you are their champion.
Traverse Moonstalker Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:53:00 - [30] Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre tl;dr version? holy ** we're killing towers **ing fast

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