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RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:47:00 - [1] Today it seems to me providential that fate should have chosen Delve as the place of my re-birth into Eve Online. A call went out to many of us who had put our stuff on "hold". "BoB just lost everything. Log back in to Eve Online and kill everyone in Delve. We are moving to Delve". Thus, the mass exodus of players coming back to Eve Online began, as did the final stage of the greatest PvP war ever. Skip ahead to yesterday and you find me taking a break to realize just how different things have become. My ship, long since outlived it's day, has been mine for over a year and a half. In this time, I have had the unique perspective of watching the biggest war in any game ever from what other games would call a "scout class". I'm a "covops" pilot. A cloaking ship of great speed and no defenses or weapons except the information I gather. My job is to go deep in to enemy territory, gather any and all information about infrastructure and hostile movement, and report back. There are many of us, but we rarely ever work in the same area. I can go days without being on grid with friendly forces or having the chance to dock safely. I can sit undetected on the front lines, literally sitting next to an enemy force that fills my screen. My type can be across the universe in an hour, can run any kind of blockade, and can find you anywhere in a system within half a minute where I will bring an entire fleet of capitals down on you. But I didn't come to write a newbie guide. I came to talk to you today about the end of the largest war any game has ever seen. The fall of the last major threat my alliance has and how I've had the great privilege to witness it first hand for almost 2 years now. Towers. War in 0.0 is all about towers, when you break it down to it's most basic form, just as combat in the real world is broken down to it's most basic form of ammo. You run out of ammo, you are dead. You can no longer fight, you must run away. I have been tracking tower counts, amongst other things, for my duration in Eve, and I am almost teary eyed to see that our greatest enemy, KenZoku (formerly known as Band of Brothers) has finally been overwhelmed. I know I sound like a propaganda poster and I know you don't want to read stuff that conflicts with what your friends are saying, but speaking as someone that does this all day every day (God I'm a nerd...) I can prove everything I say. Anyone is willing to hop in to a covops ship and come see for themselves. Let's just continue and everything will be clear. When I first started scouting the "Great War", I could gather an entire constellation of intel in a day, no problem. Move through a system, get information on towers and covops traps, any hostile fleets, and move on. Fleet battles were in the hundreds on each side and would sometimes involve capital ships, with some great battles climaxing in a super capital arrival or death. I used to think things were crazy (and they were by other games' standards of PvP), but I now look back on those days with fondness in how little there was to do. Fast forward to Delve, present day. We've all heard the story of the BoB traitor who "turned off" all their sov. This isn't about that (although LOL). This is about the aftermath. Towers today are being deployed and destroyed in larger numbers than the entirety of my Eve life combined, times 5, and ambushes and battles are hourly occurrences, no longer the time-spaced events that people used to grab hotpockets for. Delve today has seen more combat than any region of any game in MMO history except perhaps the brit graveyards of the original Ultima Online. People who I used to only see in the northern part of the galaxy (sometimes dealing drugs or rare items with) were being spotted in high numbers, and with assets to reinforce themselves which must have taken weeks to move. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:48:00 - [2] Delve has become a massive zone of combat, divided by three main warring parties. A dominating force of invaders, a disorganized coalition of various peoples from all over the universe that are disrupting trade and importation (mainly piracy), and a resistance/guerrilla-style fighting force of the original occupants (think of the French resistance to ** controlled Paris). Just as I write this, I make a pass around Delve. Just a couple jumps, maybe 4. I see every gate has multiple corpses amongst ship wrecks, anchored bubbles on nearly all gates, and forces move back and force in various fights spanning multiple fleets doing different things for different factions. There is no where that is empty, and that in itself is amazing. But Roy, you said this was the end of the Great War. Yes. I feel it strongly, based on what I see that the war will be won soon for the invading fleets, my friends. Yes, it sounds biased, but it can be proven by simply flying to Delve and looking at it. Delve tower counts are fluctuating in massive fashion, with some systems seeing 20-50 towers downed in a single attack by our invading heroes, roaming gangs of my brothers flow through pipes nearly bumping in to each other on their way to deal with threats half their size at best, and the hostile former residents are showing less and less at an astoundingly fast rate of desertion. The various groups of people from other parts of the universe come and attack both sides still, but they have ceased placing any assets of worth nearby (in some cases, Goonswarm merchants are the only ones to buy from anywhere in the near territory as they have pushed out all other businesses and established market hubs) and have been content it seems to do smaller attacks of piracy amongst merchants and other softer targets. Some that dont play this game might not understand the sheer numbers here, so let me break it down this way; more people are fighting in Eve in this one tiny region of one tiny corner of the game universe than are fighting in all the battlegrounds of WoW combined (fact checked February 23, 2009 at USA time zone prime). Goonswarm and the invading allies have turned more than half of Delve in to a fortress of death that expands slowly but hourly. Some covops that scan a system have to return to it a mere 20 minutes later as its infrastructure has changed due to conflict. Ive seen our enemies attempts at counter attack foiled again and again and again. Less and less attacks are reported by the former residents, with less and less effectiveness or use of assets of value. Enemy leadership is, for lack of a better term, MIA, giving vague orders such as go to this system and defend for awhile. Former slave corporations of KenZoku have begun openly questioning their leaders, something no one dared do once and something that was once considered treason of the highest order. Much like the storyline Amarr leaders, KenZoku still holds authority amongst its corporations where it has a presence at the time and there are no enemies, but near-instantly loses control or respect once they have moved on. They operate from various POS towers placed sometimes in back water systems for quick strike capabilities and movement (since any tower placed is sieged within an hour or two these days) which are then moved before Goonswarm forces can arrive. They have become, in a nutshell, a resistance group rather than a major power bloc that threatens liberty in the entire game, as before. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"**
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:49:00 - [3] At current expansion rates, Goonswarm and allies will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months, more than half of 0.0 in 7 months, and will obtain total control of all conquerable, lawless space by a year and 2 months (and 17 days) assuming the infrastructure of such a massive empire could ever be supported by the amount of players Eve Online has. Thank you for reading this, but more importantly thank you all for giving me a fun game again. Thank you, the enemy, for making such a war possible and allowing my humble self to bare witness to such a PvP event. Thank you to CCP, for as much as we *** and moan we still love your game. And finally, thank you to Darius JOHNSON, peace be with him, for his leadership, his mercy, and his praise where granted. Any and every goon would gladly give what we have to see him triumph over whoever he deems worthy of his grief, and making him happy makes all of us happy. May he have mercy on the universe, because in 3 months you can combine the forces of every alliance in the game and we would still be stronger, gien current expansion rates. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"**
Loki L'Odin Gallente Asshats and Alcoholics Turbo.	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Loki L''Odin on 23/02/2009 09:58:13 Originally by: RoyofCA I know I sound like a propaganda poster... mhm... props for content tho...more than usual from a Goon edit: ninja first-ish!!!
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:01:00 - [5] Makes me soooo glad im no longer allied to Goons after reading this lol
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:05:00 - [6] I'm no poet, nor am I a smart man by any means. I'm just a guy that tracks and records these things. Forgive me if I don't do justice to this great PvP event with my stupidity and horrible posting, but I am trying. The main point is in the third part, and it makes me very happy as I lean back and smoke my pipe. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
nadro Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:15:00 - [7] Originally by: RoyofCA Some that dont play this game might not understand the sheer numbers here, so let me break it down this way; more people are fighting in Eve in this one tiny region of one tiny corner of the game universe than are fighting in all the battlegrounds of WoW combined (fact checked February 23, 2009 at USA time zone prime). fighting? good read though, nice change from 'we had a fleet of 600 and there was a fleet of 500 and then those 10 fools with motherships mining'. also, obligatory 'lolrp'
Omeega Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:18:00 - [8] thee-elle;dee-errr Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Evocationz Amarr Terra Nostra Shadows Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:18:00 - [9] unusual post from a goons, but good, it woefully incorrect Shamelessly Stolen Sig - it Owns All
URDEAD2ME Caldari Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:22:00 - [10] seems that things a changed simce i been away but i see people still trying to take bobs space and in this case taking it ... but there is one thing people i have faith that bob or whatever there called now will return as they did when the tortuga super friends tryed to turn there home into theres . i feel bob will return and take whats been theres for so long it will be in time we shall see and im sure it will be a intresting time a head ..
Xiut Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:25:00 - [11] Hi Billy
Seth Quantix Amarr Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:35:00 - [12] Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
Lisis Markham Gallente The Galactic Inquisition	Posted - 2009.02.23 10:47:00 - [13] more stories about wars like this! I don't think I've ever read a story from a covert ops pilot. wars fascinate me. I'm a carebear who wouldn't risk it but like hearing about this!
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I believe RoyofCA has done his best to present what he witness as impartially as he can, altho being bound to one side of the conflict from reading his post you can tell that he is doing his best to put his point across as politely as he can, do his post some justice and take your trolling elsewhere bitter guy
Seth Quantix Amarr Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:48:00 - [15] Edited by: Seth Quantix on 23/02/2009 11:51:11 Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I believe RoyofCA has done his best to present what he witness as impartially as he can, altho being bound to one side of the conflict from reading his post you can tell that he is doing his best to put his point across as politely as he can, do his post some justice and take your trolling elsewhere bitter guy No simply because the whole space taking thing in Delve is based on someone causing the alliance holding space to loose all defences. The taking of delve has to be the wost case of exploiting game mechanics in a way they where not intended. based on that what merit does this have: Quote: At current expansion rates, Goonswarm and allies will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months if they truly fought for the space then perhaps it might be worth wile, as they used the cowards way of taking it i will have zero respect for anyone that has assisted or supported there actions. facts are that anyone that is in delve taking space is and allways will be unable to kill BOB as BOB disbanded holding space uncontested and they are the only alliance in game that will ever be able to say thatno matter how cowardly it happened. ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
Berious Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:53:00 - [16] Damn Roy what happened to you? You used to be cool :smith:
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 11:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I can prove everything I said. That is why I said it. I admit openly that it sounds like propaganda, but let's take a look at the war at the point you bring up (the mass evacuation of all Goonswarm assets from the east) You mention that Goonswarm has lost all of it's space. You are both right and wrong. Goonswarm infrastructure all over the south and south east are being contested and many towers are going up and down, with Goonswarm offering zero resistance to any siege. All Goonswarm space east of Querious has been admittedly lost and will not be taken back anytime soon. Even if Goonswarm wanted to, they could not retake these territories right now. However, let's look at Goonswarm in Delve. While in the east, Goonswarm infrastructure was lost at or around a rate of 2/3 towers per week. This went either way, but the trend was our territory shrinking in toward the station at 77s (Detorid region) at an increasing rate (aka dying). Since invading Delve, Goonswarm infrastructure construction rate has increased over 650%. This is only major and minor space assets we are talking about, not even counting the many stations we now control. We are building so fast, and destroying enemy infrastructure so quickly, and having scouted the invaders eastern tower placements, I estimate we will have sov 4 in the majority of our new space and be seriously threatening Period Basis and Querious (maybe already have taken some fringe systems) by the time anyone (even a combined force of all eastern alliances) could counter attack. To counter attack quicker than 3 months would require the fastest building alliance in the east (I believe it was Against All Authorities in Estoria but don't remember off the top of my head) to build 313% faster than they are now. Basically, 50% of the fleet size I've seen of them in Delve would need to be hauling towers east of us to prepare. They aren't, obviously. The various pirate alliances around Delve are making good money, I must say. Demand for goods in Delve climbed nearly 2000% over the course of a week, and has since out paced all methods of supply COMBINED (that means people can not build AND import enough to feed the amount of things being bought in Delve, even with all the JFs and factory slots now available) and attacks on merchant ships are still reported. I said this in the thread I believe, once again being open with everyone and factual. If you want to talk facts, I can do that all day Seth. What I want to know is, if the facts are leaning toward a Goonswarm victory (which they clearly are, anyone in the game can fly to these locations and verify everything I've said) then would our enemies even admit they are beaten anyway? No, of course not. I wouldn't if it was me. So why should we all expect anything less than propaganda from KenZoku right now? We all know this, so why should we expect anything from them except it? Why would you believe anything they say right now? Heck, don't believe anything I say, fly out to these locations and map them for yourself. You will see I am right and my estimates are actually giving the enemy more leeway than is present. Lastly, your corporation is named Force of Evil, haha! "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
BuIIseye Amarr Pax Amarria Corp	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:00:00 - [18] You should of named this thread: "People of EVE-Online!" Originally by: RoyofCA I know I sound like a propaganda poster... I stopped reading here.
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:13:00 - [19] Originally by: RoyofCA ... the final stage of the greatest PvP war ever ... Is it? If PvP to you means Player-versus-POS, yea - it probably is. I can't remember an event where more POSes and modules have been destroyed and re-deployed in such a short time. However, what is happening right now does not make anyone involved a great PVP pilot, corporation or alliance. It makes you very good demolition workers. I have no problem with BoB being disbandened and destroyed. What doesn't compute are the tactics used by the overwhelming NC/Goons/PL force and calling it something great or epic. It's not PVP, its math. 100 pilots beat 10 pilots, 1000 pilots beat 100 pilots, more friendly POS than hostile POS means SOV. I for one can't wait for the first EVE video about this invasion. I got ahold of the transcript early (thanks anonymous goon): [0:03:16] <tell a story about how BoB are evil and goons the heroic outnumbered rebels> [0:12:52] <show pictures of POS-shooting in PUIG> [0:14:41] <show some epic dogfights, choreographed and recorded on Sisi> [0:17:23] <show pictures of POS-shooting in Y-OMTZ> [0:19:10] <show a long-range bs gang being double-DD'd, recorded on Sisi> [0:25:55] <show pictures of POS-shooting in NOL> [0:29:02] <show a big goon bee as the victor, name allies in small font somewhere too>
Valkazm Amarr Russian Specnaz Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:37:00 - [20] One of the first videos Goonfleet D-day then there is a PL one aswell . Thanks for the read i enjoyed it .
Lee Bian Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Crimson Justice It's not PVP, its math. 100 pilots beat 10 pilots, 1000 pilots beat 100 pilots, 1 pilot in space beats 10 in station
Vincent Athen Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 12:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Crimson Justice [0:19:10] <show a long-range bs gang being double-DD'd, recorded on Sisi> Of course. It is well known that goons have used a doomsday or been on the receiving end of a doomsday on tranquility.
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:03:00 - [23] Originally by: RoyofCA Lastly, your corporation is named Force of Evil, haha! about as correct as that the Corp is domination the Alliance is Force of Evil, so far ecerything you said is full of the propaganda u seem to have been drip fed
Ronja Mistysdottir Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Seth Quantix Edited by: Seth Quantix on 23/02/2009 11:51:11 Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I believe RoyofCA has done his best to present what he witness as impartially as he can, altho being bound to one side of the conflict from reading his post you can tell that he is doing his best to put his point across as politely as he can, do his post some justice and take your trolling elsewhere bitter guy No simply because the whole space taking thing in Delve is based on someone causing the alliance holding space to loose all defences. The taking of delve has to be the wost case of exploiting game mechanics in a way they where not intended. based on that what merit does this have: Quote: At current expansion rates, Goonswarm and allies will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months if they truly fought for the space then perhaps it might be worth wile, as they used the cowards way of taking it i will have zero respect for anyone that has assisted or supported there actions. facts are that anyone that is in delve taking space is and allways will be unable to kill BOB as BOB disbanded holding space uncontested and they are the only alliance in game that will ever be able to say thatno matter how cowardly it happened. Delve was taken down in best 'BOB' style. Best use of game mechanics since ET came to Immensea with target painters and killed a station in 30 min...
JeanPaul Sartre Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:11:00 - [25] tl;dr version? -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:18:00 - [26] troll thread #10000000
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Gneeznow Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I believe RoyofCA has done his best to present what he witness as impartially as he can, altho being bound to one side of the conflict from reading his post you can tell that he is doing his best to put his point across as politely as he can, do his post some justice and take your trolling elsewhere bitter guy troll OP supported by troll posting, didnt see that one coming :\|
Zzelle Caldari Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Crimson Justice What doesn't compute are the tactics used by the overwhelming NC/Goons/PL force and calling it something great or epic. It's not PVP, its math. 100 pilots beat 10 pilots, 1000 pilots beat 100 pilots, more friendly POS than hostile POS means SOV. I think you might be underestimating the logistics of all this. Immediately after the disbanding of BoB, there was some mockery of GoonSwarm for doing this on the spur of the moment and not as the end result of a grand plan. There were those who insisted that it could never work without huge preparation. There are still those who seem to think that GoonSwarm is hoping to hold on to the south and that the loss of those abandoned systems is a huge blow. But think about this for a second. The south completely abandoned... hundreds of towers deployed in days in Delve... nonstop destruction of Kenny towers in Delve... constant coordinated operations with allies... a weeklong (so far!) camp of PR-, locking down opposing forces in their staging system... unbelievable amounts of fuel for towers and capfleets constantly in motion. Seems pretty epic to me. As the seventh day of occupation rolls around in systems the sov map is going to start to reflect all this. The things that Roy and others, such as myself, see when cataloging towers in systems every day. Then, yes, it's not over -- we've got to hold on to this space. Soon, it will be the only space we have. That's motivation. Numbers help. Without participation you can't get very far. But logistics wins wars.
Camilo Cienfuegos Caldari Earned In Blood	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:42:00 - [29] Most enjoyable post, thank you. tl;dr "I felt a great disturbance in the Force" - Originally by: The Cuckoo Good luck in defending idiotic and greedy noobs, as far as I'm concerned, you are their champion.
Traverse Moonstalker Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 13:53:00 - [30] Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre tl;dr version? holy ** we're killing towers **ing fast
Laura Baretta Minmatar PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:00:00 - [31] This war is not over. Please resize imageto a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Dog Solitude Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:04:00 - [32] <obligatory 300 comment. exclamation exclamation>
RedSplat Caldari Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:09:00 - [33] Nice OP. [i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1
Zakhodit Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:12:00 - [34] Edited by: Zakhodit on 23/02/2009 14:12:52 The battle of Troy was started after a fellow snogged someones wife. Julius Cesar fell because Brutus, his friend, stabbed him in the back. BOB fell because someone who had roles opted not to pay the bills. Meta-Game tactics or no, this is the kind of thing that ruins empires in the real world. You can't cry foul just because you didn't manage to do it first. Because we all know if the shoe was on the other foot... Quote: This war is not over. No but the fat lady is cinching up her garters.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:18:00 - [35] hi roy --- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Princess Jodi Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:22:00 - [36] Roy, you started out describing the lack of resistance and the destruction of Delve assets pretty acurately. But what's this crap about '7 Months to all conqurable space?' Even if the goal was to conquer all of Eve, that's one whopper of a prediction. Uh...you kinda forgot to mention your Allies as well. Very bad form. Remove your delusions about Winning Eve and your Cult of Personality references. Recognize that we are destroying the infrastructure and industrial might of TAFKAB, but that the pilots still exist. Above all, don't count your chickens before they are hatched. There is nothing Inevitable about this war; we've still got alot of work to do. -PJ
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Laura Baretta This war is not over. Agreed. But I can mathmatically show you that it will be, and when. And who will win if the sov trends and tower count stay as they have been (it's us, fyi). Originally by: Zakhodit Edited by: Zakhodit on 23/02/2009 14:12:52 BOB fell because someone who had roles opted not to pay the bills. None of this is true. Originally by: RedSplat Nice OP. Thanks bro. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
Maltida Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Laura Baretta This war is not over. Someone has to engage the aggressor for the war to begin otherwise it's just a ****~
Alei Mulinitej Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:35:00 - [39] one moe time
Oran Sound Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:39:00 - [40] Just as an aside, I gave up updating the towers. Its just not worth the effort. I just warp to moons in my dread and shoot whatever is there.
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Princess Jodi Roy, you started out describing the lack of resistance and the destruction of Delve assets pretty acurately. But what's this crap about '7 Months to all conqurable space?' Even if the goal was to conquer all of Eve, that's one whopper of a prediction. Uh...you kinda forgot to mention your Allies as well. Very bad form. Remove your delusions about Winning Eve and your Cult of Personality references. Recognize that we are destroying the infrastructure and industrial might of TAFKAB, but that the pilots still exist. Above all, don't count your chickens before they are hatched. There is nothing Inevitable about this war; we've still got alot of work to do. -PJ I refuse to have a debate with someone named Princess Jodi, I'm sorry. Also, you misquoted me and signed your post. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
James Duar Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:50:00 - [42] We're not gonna conquer all of space. We're just periodically going to burn all of space to the ground.
Orange Faeces Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:54:00 - [43] this is epic. THE INTERNET. will never forget your epicness. you and Haargoth need to be awarded medals. ... oh ... role-playing? you get nothing. sry. bye. oF ---
Princess Jodi Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:06:00 - [44] I refuse to have a male escort from California in my fleets. Did you spend extra time studying the roller-skating ***got from Reno 911 before you made your toon, or was it a self-portrait? Looking forward to warping to zero on your Covert, then kicking you from the fleet. Oh, and you still forgot your allies.
Joe Goon Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Seth Quantix No simply because the whole space taking thing in Delve is based on someone causing the alliance holding space to loose all defences. The taking of delve has to be the wost case of exploiting game mechanics in a way they where not intended. Let's lay it out simply since this still seems to be a common point of confusion for some reason. An individual was given the rights to disband an alliance. Said individual chose to exercise that right. That's all that happened. The wisdom of placing that power in the hands of someone, the betrayal of trust, the lack of foresight ... that's where the story is. The game mechanics worked exactly as they were intended, and all this could have been avoided if someone had thought things through before handing out the alliance off-switch to a bunch of people. Anyway, I think it's time I flew a covops again.
Mr Phail Amarr Emo inc.	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:24:00 - [46] /golfclap yes, yes, well done little goonie you killed the greatest alliance in the game, through a tough battle against defensive game mechanics... o wait... you didnt you just pressed the reset button, uberblobbed, then pos spammed Sov 1 systems wow... you are amazing
Max Khaos Minmatar Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:39:00 - [47] /me still waiting for Goonswarm to achieve anything
Dark Sidhe Minmatar Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:46:00 - [48] Hey I'll ve the first to admit that I'm no fan of Goonswarm but I have to concur with the OP's observations. Only the most jaded of Kenny fanboi can possibly believe that they can recover their space given the rate of destruction underway. I've taken my own recon/cov ops ships through Delve within the first couple of days and it was like the California Gold Rush all over again. It was fun to see fleets belonging...to well everyone rushing down to moon grab, fight, pirate and make a killing in the local market. Though I think the mechanic that caused this is lame (I'm no friend of BoB either), the speed at which Goon and Co. moved all they had to Delve to go "all in" was impressive. I keep hearing from Kenny and Friends that "its not over" or "its just begun." I have a hard time believing that Kenny and Co will keep more than a handful of systems by the time Goonies achieve Sov4. The political landscape of EvE has shifted again, let the realignments, backstabbing and counterattacking begin! ------------------------------- "Back away from the Tatoo Ink"
Bismaru's Ambition Amarr Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:50:00 - [49] Hmmm how is this any different to last time? Other than some drama happening in goons land, even the posts are crappy like last time, maybe delve war III, IV or V will be successful?
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 15:51:00 - [50] Just a couple of things. First off, Roy, you're spot on, Ultima Online at downtime, the graveyard north of Brittania was the nuts, man, righteous combat for ten minutes. Delve has been a little anti-climactic. Everyone crying about unfair, some guy they trusted shut their alliance down is missing a big point. Kengoku KEPT their sov claims. They had towers and mods all over Delve, they had titans and caps ready to go. Instead, they don't fight, and goons and, more importantly, goons awesome allies, lock down the system, and kill kfc pos. It isn't that kfc is losing fights, they aren't, because the only ones fighting are kfc pets, like minor impact and -a-. Bob refuses to undock. I guess they are all on sisi theorycrafting or something, but the fact of the matter is, their leadership is either stunned or scared into silence. Their mighty (?) capfleet is either being sold off or put into long term storage. They have decided on a strategy of "patience". There is an old joke about a guy who breaks into a house, and tells the husband/father to keep his feet off the floor, while his gang robs the house and abuses the guys wife/daughter/family pet. The homeowner keeps laughing while his home and family are pillaged. Finally the burglar asks, what is so funny, and the homeowner says, "I've already put my foot on the floor three times!" He was patient. Laugh it up KFC.
FGxHalsey Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:05:00 - [51] Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Crimson Justice It's not PVP, its math. 100 pilots beat 10 pilots, 1000 pilots beat 100 pilots, 1 pilot in space beats 10 in station Lee, I can't wait to see what your avatar looks like when we get to walk in stations.
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Brobuck Delve has been a little anti-climactic. Everyone crying about unfair, some guy they trusted shut their alliance down is missing a big point. Kengoku KEPT their sov claims. They had towers and mods all over Delve, they had titans and caps ready to go. Yes - please tell me how many cyno jammers they had. No, no, I insist, please tell me. At least you are right about Delve being anti-climatic. Nothing "epic" or fun is happening, POS grinding is on the daily menu and thats hardly worth the 200 threads goons open every day about it.
destinationZERO Minmatar Pain Management Services	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:12:00 - [53] nice troll. NEEEEEEEEEEEXT
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Crimson Justice Yes - please tell me how many cyno jammers they had. No, no, I insist, please tell me. All you have to do to get sov back to 3 is go out and defend the towers. They had hundreds of pos, multiple titans, so many elite pvp'ers, and how many towers did they try to defend? None. When Bob came to Scalding Pass, goons were outnumbered and outgunned. Our allies came to help us, and we came out to fight. We didn't win all the fights, but we won enough to keep our space. Any alliance that turtles up with the mentality, "if we don't give them any fights, they will go away eventually" doesn't deserve any space.
Max Khaos Minmatar Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:18:00 - [55] Quote: All you have to do to get sov back to 3 is go out and defend the towers. They had hundreds of pos, multiple titans, so many elite pvp'ers, and how many towers did they try to defend? None. When Bob came to Scalding Pass, goons were outnumbered and outgunned. Our allies came to help us, and we came out to fight. We didn't win all the fights, but we won enough to keep our space. Any alliance that turtles up with the mentality, "if we don't give them any fights, they will go away eventually" doesn't deserve any space. Whiner Alert
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Max Khaos Whiner Alert No, no, don't misunderstand me. I'm equally happy if we kill them in a fight, or win a cultural victory, or they all get a nasty strain of chlamydia at the bbq and refuse to log back in. As long as they are dead, I'm happy. But don't forget, they could have at least tried to defend their space, and chose to hide in station instead.
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Brobuck Originally by: Crimson Justice Yes - please tell me how many cyno jammers they had. No, no, I insist, please tell me. All you have to do to get sov back to 3 is go out and defend the towers. They had hundreds of pos, multiple titans, so many elite pvp'ers, and how many towers did they try to defend? None. When Bob came to Scalding Pass, goons were outnumbered and outgunned. Our allies came to help us, and we came out to fight. We didn't win all the fights, but we won enough to keep our space. Any alliance that turtles up with the mentality, "if we don't give them any fights, they will go away eventually" doesn't deserve any space. You crack me up mate. Why didn't BoB fought for 2-3 weeks every day in every timezone the 600-800 pilots in average the NC/Goons/PL are fielding? BOB, YOU SUCK!
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Crimson Justice You crack me up mate. Why didn't BoB fought for 2-3 weeks every day in every timezone the 600-800 pilots in average the NC/Goons/PL are fielding? BOB, YOU SUCK! How many elite pvp'ers does it take to beat a swarm of t1 frigates? Why not try something during BoB primetime? Why not plan something with your allies to at least show some courage, some bravery, some dedication to protecting your own assets? Better to live on your feet than die on your knees. Kengoku is going out with a sad, pathetic whimper.
Predator Irl Caldari Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:52:00 - [59] Edited by: Predator Irl on 23/02/2009 16:54:02 Edited by: Predator Irl on 23/02/2009 16:52:50 Originally by: Crimson Justice You crack me up mate. Why didn't BoB fought for 2-3 weeks every day in every timezone the 600-800 pilots in average the NC/Goons/PL are fielding? BOB, YOU SUCK! --- BECAUSE ITS THEIR SPACE!!! Who the *ck else is suppose to defend it if they don't see it worth losing their sht for? I don't see how or why people keep coming back with this same lame argument. Anyone present in Delve knows that the "Omnipotent" BOB / Ken / Whatever they call themselves, have shown a pathetic resistance. Truth be known, its their pets Exe, Minor Threat etc. that have had the balls to show up for a fight, win, lose or draw, not Kenny!
Vashan Tar Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:05:00 - [60] Edited by: Vashan Tar on 23/02/2009 17:11:36 Originally by: Crimson Justice Originally by: Brobuck Originally by: Crimson Justice Yes - please tell me how many cyno jammers they had. No, no, I insist, please tell me. All you have to do to get sov back to 3 is go out and defend the towers. They had hundreds of pos, multiple titans, so many elite pvp'ers, and how many towers did they try to defend? None. When Bob came to Scalding Pass, goons were outnumbered and outgunned. Our allies came to help us, and we came out to fight. We didn't win all the fights, but we won enough to keep our space. Any alliance that turtles up with the mentality, "if we don't give them any fights, they will go away eventually" doesn't deserve any space. You crack me up mate. Why didn't BoB fought for 2-3 weeks every day in every timezone the 600-800 pilots in average the NC/Goons/PL are fielding? BOB, YOU SUCK! I keep looking at your alliance, UNL. Last time I checked we were brosefs :(, whats with the sand in the vagina or are you just another one of Jake Nobles most excellent spies?
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Brobuck Originally by: Crimson Justice You crack me up mate. Why didn't BoB fought for 2-3 weeks every day in every timezone the 600-800 pilots in average the NC/Goons/PL are fielding? BOB, YOU SUCK! How many elite pvp'ers does it take to beat a swarm of t1 frigates? Why not try something during BoB primetime? Why not plan something with your allies to at least show some courage, some bravery, some dedication to protecting your own assets? Better to live on your feet than die on your knees. Kengoku is going out with a sad, pathetic whimper. First of all - I think we can drop the "goons, t1 frigs, lol - meme". Its outdated and to reminisce syndicate, but nothing else. The problem with BoB's primetime is that its also the primetime of RAWR, RZR and TCF. As I have said - the NAPtrain can field 23/7 a very large fleet. I actually agree with you, that they should fight - not necessarily your "die on your feet" idea, but find a creative way to circumvent the hopeless lagfest slaughter and strike in a different fashion at least.
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:14:00 - [62] Originally by: Vashan Tar I keep looking at your alliance, UNL. Last time I checked we were brosefs, whats with the sand in the vagina or are you just another one of Jake Nobles most excellent spies? I had no problem with Goons before the Haargoth accident and the propaganda war Goons started to convince every single one that beating BoB was an accomplishment, regardless if their alliance got disbanded and their defenses shut down or not. Just because we're blue to each other, I don't have to like whatever you guys do.
Lady Lard Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:15:00 - [63] Goons have no honour.
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:28:00 - [64] Originally by: Crimson Justice Originally by: Vashan Tar I keep looking at your alliance, UNL. Last time I checked we were brosefs, whats with the sand in the vagina or are you just another one of Jake Nobles most excellent spies? I had no problem with Goons before the Haargoth accident and the propaganda war Goons started to convince every single one that beating BoB was an accomplishment, regardless if their alliance got disbanded and their defenses shut down or not. Just because we're blue to each other, I don't have to like whatever you guys do. You're an idiot, if Kenny had the chance they would have nuked goonswarm off the map using a high level spy. And fyi Kenny members have done a number of things not even we goons would ever do: -Using dev's to cheat, creating bpo's and giving them advice on game mechanics. -Harassing enemy FC's over the phone, and threatening their loved ones. -Real life threats of violence, and intimidation tactics. -Attempting to get people fired from their jobs.
Wladeck Gallente Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:34:00 - [65] Very nice . .
Kharnifex Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 17:40:00 - [66] "They don't have enough people to accomplish their goal."
Kanoubi Amarr Rytiri Lva R.U.R.	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:06:00 - [67] Originally by: Montasque You're an idiot, if Kenny had the chance they would have nuked goonswarm off the map using a high level spy. And fyi Kenny members have done a number of things not even we goons would ever do: -Using dev's to cheat, creating bpo's and giving them advice on game mechanics. -Harassing enemy FC's over the phone, and threatening their loved ones. -Real life threats of violence, and intimidation tactics. -Attempting to get people fired from their jobs. Facts please. Since youre so well informed, care to in light us with real data? This is criminal offenses or you raising false accusations, also criminal offense.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:15:00 - [68] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 18:15:27 Originally by: Montasque And fyi Kenny members have done a number of things not even we goons would ever do: -Using dev's to cheat, creating bpo's and giving them advice on game mechanics. -Harassing enemy FC's over the phone, and threatening their loved ones. -Real life threats of violence, and intimidation tactics. -Attempting to get people fired from their jobs. Actually I have personal experience of goons doing at least 2 of those things themselves. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Nobody is perfect, least of all your side. ISSUE - Bring back live events
Alrar Manq Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:17:00 - [69] Edited by: Alrar Manq on 23/02/2009 18:17:14 Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 18:15:27 Originally by: Montasque And fyi Kenny members have done a number of things not even we goons would ever do: -Using dev's to cheat, creating bpo's and giving them advice on game mechanics. -Harassing enemy FC's over the phone, and threatening their loved ones. -Real life threats of violence, and intimidation tactics. -Attempting to get people fired from their jobs. Actually I have personal experience of goons doing at least 2 of those things themselves. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Nobody is perfect, least of all your side. And I have personal experience with you doing 3 of those things. Glass houses indeed.
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Montasque You're an idiot, if Kenny had the chance they would have nuked goonswarm off the map using a high level spy. And fyi Kenny members have done a number of things not even we goons would ever do: -Using dev's to cheat, creating bpo's and giving them advice on game mechanics. -Harassing enemy FC's over the phone, and threatening their loved ones. -Real life threats of violence, and intimidation tactics. -Attempting to get people fired from their jobs. Yes - judging by both goon performance on these forums as well as your associations (Haargoth), I have no doubt to mistrust anything you say or claim. Let alone that goons: - made fun of the death of one of the GBC's members - constantly research players out-of-game and try to harass/embarass them with real-life information - have repeatedly said that their aim is to ruin EVE for everyone else - as proven yet again with that new "Goon FUN graphic" Sorry, but you have zero credibility, so please return to your goon-talk, but don't try to bring fake arguments as if you try to have a serious discussion. Go back to spamming fofofofofo in local and enjoy YOUR game.
Alrar Manq Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Crimson Justice Originally by: Montasque You're an idiot, if Kenny had the chance they would have nuked goonswarm off the map using a high level spy. And fyi Kenny members have done a number of things not even we goons would ever do: -Using dev's to cheat, creating bpo's and giving them advice on game mechanics. -Harassing enemy FC's over the phone, and threatening their loved ones. -Real life threats of violence, and intimidation tactics. -Attempting to get people fired from their jobs. Yes - judging by both goon performance on these forums as well as your associations (Haargoth), I have no doubt to mistrust anything you say or claim. Let alone that goons: - made fun of the death of one of the GBC's members - constantly research players out-of-game and try to harass/embarass them with real-life information - have repeatedly said that their aim is to ruin EVE for everyone else - as proven yet again with that new "Goon FUN graphic" Sorry, but you have zero credibility, so please return to your goon-talk, but don't try to bring fake arguments as if you try to have a serious discussion. Go back to spamming fofofofofo in local and enjoy YOUR game. NO HONOUR
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:20:00 - [72] Originally by: Alrar Manq NO HONOUR Indeed, my little goon. :D z
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:21:00 - [73] Originally by: Alrar Manq Edited by: Alrar Manq on 23/02/2009 18:17:14 Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 18:15:27 Originally by: Montasque And fyi Kenny members have done a number of things not even we goons would ever do: -Using dev's to cheat, creating bpo's and giving them advice on game mechanics. -Harassing enemy FC's over the phone, and threatening their loved ones. -Real life threats of violence, and intimidation tactics. -Attempting to get people fired from their jobs. Actually I have personal experience of goons doing at least 2 of those things themselves. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Nobody is perfect, least of all your side. And I have personal experience with you doing 3 of those things. Glass houses indeed. Quote: But spymaster Mittani scoffed at calls for in-game morals, noting that without dirty tricks, GoonSwarm would have had no chance of toppling a more established corporation like BoB. He wrote: "We don't have any advantages, so we can't obey your stupid 'space bushido'. We're going to spy, we're going to use defectors, we're going to lie, cheat, steal and be bastards." Says it all. ISSUE - Bring back space bushido
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:35:00 - [74] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 18:15:27 Originally by: Montasque And fyi Kenny members have done a number of things not even we goons would ever do: -Using dev's to cheat, creating bpo's and giving them advice on game mechanics. -Harassing enemy FC's over the phone, and threatening their loved ones. -Real life threats of violence, and intimidation tactics. -Attempting to get people fired from their jobs. Actually I have personal experience of goons doing at least 2 of those things themselves. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Nobody is perfect, least of all your side. Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric.
Crimson Justice Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:37:00 - [75] Originally by: Montasque Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1004861 Here you go. Oh noes, foot -> mouth.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:42:00 - [76] Originally by: Montasque Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric. Sure, during the CSM election campaign goonies contacted 2 of my previous contract employers through the emails harvested from my online cv to inform them that I was moonlighting as an internet brothel keeper and prostitute. Fortunately these guys saw the funny side and knew who the goons were from previous extra-curricular activities in the world of online gaming. But taken serious that would be an attempt to get me fired and use real-world intimidation tactics to get me to drop out of the CSM race. Obviously I couldn't petition about it formally since the goons in question didn't use their character names but the material sent and linked is still being used by goonswarm members on this very forum in trolling attempts through threads posted over the last few days. Is that 100% proof? Nope of course, such proof is not obtainable without CIA internet wiretaps or bugging the computers of geeks in their parent's basements. Not practical and not worth the time to get wound up about. So I just laughed about it with CCP and CSM in iceland and we just wrote it off as serious-business goons trying to fix an election. Lucky for you guys I have a sense of humour and a profession that isn't biased against internet prostitutes and brothel keepers. Take it or leave it. But you'll note I'm not the one boasting the BBC about my culture of telling lies about a video game. ISSUE - Bring back space bushido
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:43:00 - [77] Originally by: Crimson Justice Originally by: Montasque Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1004861 Here you go. Oh noes, foot -> mouth. And this is an example of what exactly? Because to me it looks like you just linked a random caod thread.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:45:00 - [78] Originally by: Montasque Originally by: Crimson Justice Originally by: Montasque Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1004861 Here you go. Oh noes, foot -> mouth. And this is an example of what exactly? Because to me it looks like you just linked a random caod thread. That thread is broken because of the moderation applied but at a guess I'd say it was where the goons tried linking my real name to a picture of a convincted child molester they posted. ISSUE - Bring back space bushido
Gilbert Drillerson Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 18:49:00 - [79] RoyofCA, this was a very interesting read, thanks for that, I hope you keep it up :) I also hope that all the usual drama queens can leave this thread and go **** somewhere else, it would be great to have atleast one quality discussion on CAOD. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0902/gs.gif Dont get mad - Get even
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:06:00 - [80] Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson RoyofCA, this was a very interesting read, thanks for that, I hope you keep it up :) I also hope that all the usual drama queens can leave this thread and go **** somewhere else, it would be great to have atleast one quality discussion on CAOD. Probably worth having a word with your alliance mate then. He was the first one to stand hurling unsubstantiated accusations of murky misdeeds at BOB while standing inside the very fragile goonswarm glass house. You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history to let you off that lightly. If you don't want to discuss scandal and misdeeds don't bring up the subject. ISSUE - Bring back space bushido
Lunas Feelgood Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:34:00 - [81] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson RoyofCA, this was a very interesting read, thanks for that, I hope you keep it up :) I also hope that all the usual drama queens can leave this thread and go ** somewhere else, it would be great to have atleast one quality discussion on CAOD. Probably worth having a word with your alliance mate then. He was the first one to stand hurling unsubstantiated accusations of murky misdeeds at BOB while standing inside the very fragile goonswarm glass house. You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history to let you off that lightly. If you don't want to discuss scandal and misdeeds don't bring up the subject. Jade I have allrdy cought you in lying sevral times and you refuse to comment on it.. And now you goddam talk about seasoned eve players with an awareness of history??? You are a joke you lost all credibility. I dont even know how you can take youself seriously.. btw I will stil keep reporting you for highjacking and trolling threads.. And if that wont work then ill start reporting you for " spelling way to correctly on these forums " Seasoned eve players with an awareness of history Im gonna quote you on that.. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
welsh wizard Caldari 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Zakhodit Edited by: Zakhodit on 23/02/2009 14:12:52 The battle of Troy was started after a fellow snogged someones wife. The battle of Troy as we know it never happened, it's Greek mythology. :P --------------- RIP Crazy Horse
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:38:00 - [83] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 19:38:06 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood btw I will stil keep reporting you for highjacking and trolling threads.. If you can't debate em report em Classy. ISSUE - Bring back space bushido
Lunas Feelgood Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:41:00 - [84] Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 23/02/2009 19:46:43 Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 19:38:06 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood btw I will stil keep reporting you for highjacking and trolling threads.. If you can't debate em report em Classy. I would love to debate you my sweet air spouting chick. However everytime I cought you in you own delusional lies you refuse to debate.. but then again how can I debate someone with an IQ of 45 allmost the same lenght of my pleasure stick to actually start debating.. Also to be serious for a sec.. You dont debate you troll and highjack treads.. Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
Godek Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Montasque Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric. Sure, during the CSM election campaign goonies contacted 2 of my previous contract employers through the emails harvested from my online cv to inform them that I was moonlighting as an internet brothel keeper and prostitute. Fortunately these guys saw the funny side and knew who the goons were from previous extra-curricular activities in the world of online gaming. But taken serious that would be an attempt to get me fired and use real-world intimidation tactics to get me to drop out of the CSM race. Obviously I couldn't petition about it formally since the goons in question didn't use their character names but the material sent and linked is still being used by goonswarm members on this very forum in trolling attempts through threads posted over the last few days. Is that 100% proof? Nope of course, such proof is not obtainable without CIA internet wiretaps or bugging the computers of geeks in their parent's basements. Not practical and not worth the time to get wound up about. So I just laughed about it with CCP and CSM in iceland and we just wrote it off as serious-business goons trying to fix an election. Lucky for you guys I have a sense of humour and a profession that isn't biased against internet prostitutes and brothel keepers. Take it or leave it. But you'll note I'm not the one boasting the BBC about my culture of telling lies about a video game. You are pretty full of yourself
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:45:00 - [86] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 19:45:45 Originally by: Godek Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Montasque Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric. Sure, during the CSM election campaign goonies contacted 2 of my previous contract employers through the emails harvested from my online cv to inform them that I was moonlighting as an internet brothel keeper and prostitute. Fortunately these guys saw the funny side and knew who the goons were from previous extra-curricular activities in the world of online gaming. But taken serious that would be an attempt to get me fired and use real-world intimidation tactics to get me to drop out of the CSM race. Obviously I couldn't petition about it formally since the goons in question didn't use their character names but the material sent and linked is still being used by goonswarm members on this very forum in trolling attempts through threads posted over the last few days. Is that 100% proof? Nope of course, such proof is not obtainable without CIA internet wiretaps or bugging the computers of geeks in their parent's basements. Not practical and not worth the time to get wound up about. So I just laughed about it with CCP and CSM in iceland and we just wrote it off as serious-business goons trying to fix an election. Lucky for you guys I have a sense of humour and a profession that isn't biased against internet prostitutes and brothel keepers. Take it or leave it. But you'll note I'm not the one boasting the BBC about my culture of telling lies about a video game. You are pretty full of yourself So would you be if some internet spaceship goons tried their best to sabotage your internet spaceship election campaign with some real-life smear but failed either to embarrass you professionally OR influence the result There's failing and there's failing. And then there's this. ISSUE - Bring back space bushido
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:50:00 - [87] Originally by: Princess Jodi Roy, you started out describing the lack of resistance and the destruction of Delve assets pretty acurately. But what's this crap about '7 Months to all conqurable space?' Even if the goal was to conquer all of Eve, that's one whopper of a prediction. Uh...you kinda forgot to mention your Allies as well. Very bad form. Originally by: RoyofCA At current expansion rates, Goonswarm and allies will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months A) He was presumably using projection to demonstrate the rate at which we're knocking down towers. B) He did mention our allies, see the bolded portion of that quote. Originally by: Seth Quantix No simply because the whole space taking thing in Delve is based on someone causing the alliance holding space to loose all defences. The taking of delve has to be the wost case of exploiting game mechanics in a way they where not intended. The best defense is pilots logging on and fighting. If TAKFAB is defenseless after we flipped off their sov, that would mean that they were simply a weak alliance propped up by sov mechanics. I'll give them slightly more credit than that, though. They did go down fighting, as witnessed by the first week of the invasion and the massive 500 vs. 500 slugfests in the W4 constellation. They fought, they lost, and they've been hiding ever since. Maybe they'll come back when Molle finds a new Avatar donor. Also note that a week or two before the Delve invasion, BOB used a directorate spy to flip off GoonSwarm sov in DG-, and yet we successfully defended the system against a combined BOB and -A- assault.
Generally Whingeypops Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:52:00 - [88] Who'd have thought it? The madame of an internet spaceship brothel has got Lunas all all moaney, red-faced and puffing.
Aida Ruiz Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:57:00 - [89] Originally by: RoyofCA Thus, the mass exodus of players coming back to Eve Online began, as did the final stage of the greatest PvP war ever. Stopped reading here, do you even know what Exodus means? This sentence is terrible.
Lunas Feelgood Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:57:00 - [90] Originally by: Jade Constantine So would you be if some internet spaceship goons tried their best to sabotage your internet spaceship election campaign with some real-life smear but failed either to embarrass you professionally OR influence the result There's failing and there's failing. And then there's this. I really doubt thats true Jade. But if it is you must have some proof to backup you claims.. Becuase with you recent claims you lost all credibility.. However if it is true, you cant blame the hole goon community for a few **heads criminal acts.. Its like if I would blame all air spouting, delusional gazbags for you horrible trolling post.. You see that wont work, all of BOBs leadership would never be able to post here again.. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
Generally Whingeypops Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:10:00 - [91] Edited by: Generally Whingeypops on 23/02/2009 20:11:46 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Jade Constantine So would you be if some internet spaceship goons tried their best to sabotage your internet spaceship election campaign with some real-life smear but failed either to embarrass you professionally OR influence the result There's failing and there's failing. And then there's this. I really doubt thats true Jade. But if it is you must have some proof to backup you claims.. Becuase with you recent claims you lost all credibility.. However if it is true, you cant blame the hole goon community for a few ****heads criminal acts.. Its like if I would blame all air spouting, delusional gazbags for you horrible trolling post.. You see that wont work, all of BOBs leadership would never be able to post here again.. I don't think this customer's going to last much longer, Jade...
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:15:00 - [92] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Montasque Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric. Sure, during the CSM election campaign goonies contacted 2 of my previous contract employers through the emails harvested from my online cv to inform them that I was moonlighting as an internet brothel keeper and prostitute. Fortunately these guys saw the funny side and knew who the goons were from previous extra-curricular activities in the world of online gaming. But taken serious that would be an attempt to get me fired and use real-world intimidation tactics to get me to drop out of the CSM race. Obviously I couldn't petition about it formally since the goons in question didn't use their character names but the material sent and linked is still being used by goonswarm members on this very forum in trolling attempts through threads posted over the last few days. Is that 100% proof? Nope of course, such proof is not obtainable without CIA internet wiretaps or bugging the computers of geeks in their parent's basements. Not practical and not worth the time to get wound up about. So I just laughed about it with CCP and CSM in iceland and we just wrote it off as serious-business goons trying to fix an election. Lucky for you guys I have a sense of humour and a profession that isn't biased against internet prostitutes and brothel keepers. Take it or leave it. But you'll note I'm not the one boasting the BBC about my culture of telling lies about a video game. Ha! Now you're just making things up. I'd really love to see any member of the CSM or CCP confirm that they had a 'laugh' about this. But of course they wont, because it never happened.
LadyBluntsalot Minmatar Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:20:00 - [93] I too would get an email showing an employee of mine being a transexual prostitute on the internet and laugh it off. Good show old chap!
Alrar Manq Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:21:00 - [94] Edited by: Alrar Manq on 23/02/2009 20:21:13 Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 19:38:06 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood btw I will stil keep reporting you for highjacking and trolling threads.. If you can't debate em WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT Classy. Hi. I fixed your post. hth.
Generally Whingeypops Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:27:00 - [95] Originally by: Montasque I'd really love to see any member of the CSM or CCP confirm that they had a 'laugh' about this. But of course they wont, because it never happened. I'd say that trying to defend the honour of an alliance that has just very publically used real life bribery to bring down their in-game enemy is probably a waste of your energy, mate.
Sitagacha tasekaka Amarr Universal Business Systems	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:31:00 - [96] Originally by: Generally Whingeypops Originally by: Montasque I'd really love to see any member of the CSM or CCP confirm that they had a 'laugh' about this. But of course they wont, because it never happened. I'd say that trying to defend the honour of an alliance that has just very publically used real life bribery to bring down their in-game enemy is probably a waste of your energy, mate. WHERE'S MA MONEY DARIUS!
Generally Whingeypops Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.23 20:47:00 - [97] Originally by: Sitagacha tasekaka Originally by: Generally Whingeypops Originally by: Montasque I'd really love to see any member of the CSM or CCP confirm that they had a 'laugh' about this. But of course they wont, because it never happened. I'd say that trying to defend the honour of an alliance that has just very publically used real life bribery to bring down their in-game enemy is probably a waste of your energy, mate. WHERE'S MA MONEY DARIUS! Well by the sounds of it, Lunas is blowing most of it at Jade's 'establishment'...
Vinata Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 21:39:00 - [98] Originally by: RoyofCA more than half of 0.0 in 7 months, and will obtain total control of all conquerable, lawless space by a year and 2 months (and 17 days) I will go "** Goons" if either of these happens. Originally by:** Seth Quantix The taking of delve has to be the wost case of exploiting game mechanics in a way they where not intended. Moon mining exploit used to create a monopoly on an entire market (drug manufacturing) as well as grossly inflating the output of valuable moon reactions would be viewed by many people not involved in this conflict as being worse. Originally by: Brobuck because the only ones fighting are kfc pets, like minor impact and -a-. Minor Threat aren't even allied with KenZoku, they're just here because there are things to shoot and they like shooting things. Originally by: Crimson Justice Yes - please tell me how many cyno jammers they had. No, no, I insist, please tell me. For someone who hates POS warfare, you sure are insistent that PvP doesn't matter without certain parts of their mechanics. I'm sure Jade can attest that PvP matters just as much in cyno-jammed High Sec as it does in cyno-available Low Sec. Originally by: Generally Whingeypops I'd say that trying to defend the honour of an alliance that has just very publically used real life bribery to bring down their in-game enemy is probably a waste of your energy, mate. Please show me where, very publicly, any mention was made (by anyone actually involved in the matter) claiming any sort of non-game asset was exchanged in return for Hargoth's actions.
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.23 21:50:00 - [99] Originally by: Jade Constantine Actually I have personal experience of goons doing at least 2 of those things themselves. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Nobody is perfect, least of all your side. To me its a fairly simple matter of you admitting to have presented false information with the intent of damaging some aspect of my reputation. Your apology was good; but wriggling after the event just sounds ungracious. Have you ever played live-action Amber? The reason I ask is that the immortal rulers of that realm play similar games of linguistic trickery to escape the swearing of oaths and fealty and the offer of apology. Its quite facinating to see it played out in real time between skilled participants. Here however, I think a simple admission of guilt would do you the world of good.
Generally Whingeypops Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.23 22:18:00 - [100] Originally by: Brobuck Originally by: Jade Constantine Actually I have personal experience of goons doing at least 2 of those things themselves. Don't throw stones in glass houses. Nobody is perfect, least of all your side. To me its a fairly simple matter of you admitting to have presented false information with the intent of damaging some aspect of my reputation. Your apology was good; but wriggling after the event just sounds ungracious. Have you ever played live-action Amber? The reason I ask is that the immortal rulers of that realm play similar games of linguistic trickery to escape the swearing of oaths and fealty and the offer of apology. Its quite facinating to see it played out in real time between skilled participants. Here however, I think a simple admission of guilt would do you the world of good. I'm guessing this sounded better in your head than it does in writing :(
Dsan Amarr Smegnet Incorporated Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.02.23 23:21:00 - [101] Very nice read,nice for us out side the war to hear what's going on.
Trustus Gallente Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.02.23 23:59:00 - [102] goons taken all of bob space, i dont think that staement is entirely true, pl, nc & kia may have something to say about that, if i am not wrong they seem to do most of the fighting, it shows how little respect you are showing those guys, when u say "goons won eve", that u say "we & our allies have won". i maybe on th opposing side but i still show your allies respect, somethign that is lacking in your constant goon statements
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.24 00:12:00 - [103] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 24/02/2009 00:13:34 Originally by: Generally Whingeypops I'm guessing this sounded better in your head than it does in writing :( Often is the case. Good evening Mr Windy. You have been missed, the standard of alt posting has been sub par to say the least. Resists temptation to compare that to Kenny's fighting ability Whoops, that temptation thing is hard to fight. Unlike Kenny Edit: Trustus, you should maybe look at the tower kill mails, show me one where there isn't a Goon dread on it. They have been relentless Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
Trustus Gallente Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.02.24 00:22:00 - [104] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edit: Trustus, you should maybe look at the tower kill mails, show me one where there isn't a Goon dread on it. They have been relentless i am not saying they arnt in the fight, what i am saying when they are saying they have won eve they tend too leave out their allies, which imo isnt a good thing. this wasnt meant as smack just an observation
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.24 00:45:00 - [105] Originally by: Trustus i am not saying they arnt in the fight, what i am saying when they are saying they have won eve they tend too leave out their allies, which imo isnt a good thing. this wasnt meant as smack just an observation Being ignored by goons is a good thing tbh Also I'm pretty sure they understand that you can't win eve. They are just failing worse than some other people that are failing pretty hard. We try to fail all the time, but sometimes our opponents beat us to it. And then our FC shouts at us for not dying. Tough game Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
Daylen Drazzi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 00:51:00 - [106] Originally by: Trustus Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edit: Trustus, you should maybe look at the tower kill mails, show me one where there isn't a Goon dread on it. They have been relentless i am not saying they arnt in the fight, what i am saying when they are saying they have won eve they tend too leave out their allies, which imo isnt a good thing. this wasnt meant as smack just an observation What you are missing is context - we love our allies and consider them to be Goons just as if they were actual members of our corporation. They are our friends, brothers in arms and firm companions and are embraced as such, so when we say Goons we don't mean just the members of our corporation - we mean all our allies and friends. Kenny is just the opposite - when they say Kenzoku, they mean only the member corporations of Kenzoku. The KFC are just slack-jawed drones that prove useful as cannon fodder and bait and anything they accomplish is only made possible because Kenny allowed it to happen. You are confused by semantics, but Goonfleet and it's allies aren't and that's all that matters. "Ya see us Goons neva lose, If we'r dead, we'r dead so nobody cares, If'n we win we'v won, so's only we cares If'n we run away we always come back later so Goons neva lose ya see?"
Straight Chillen Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:31:00 - [107] Originally by: RoyofCA A very intresting read So basically what I have gathered from your post, is that in 1 years time you want all of 0.0 to one big happy nap fest ala Serenity the Chinese server (2 blue entities control the entirety of their 0.0 space) To me, and I'm sure many others, that sounds terribly boring and stagnant. I don't know about you but I play this game to blow ** up and have a damn good time doing it. The past 6 months have been a blast, and I don't think anyone, on any side can disagree with that. The drama, the fights, propaganda and ** posting have been top notch. And you want to do away with all that? Sounds like a great way to kill the fun in the best MMO there is. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:35:00 - [108] Originally by: Orange Faeces this is epic. THE INTERNET. will never forget your epicness. you and Haargoth need to be awarded medals. ... oh ... role-playing? you get nothing. sry. bye. oF No one here is roleplaying. Originally by: Max Khaos stuff and words and stuff Off topic. Let's stick to facts right now to keep this thread streamlined so that people who right about this stuff can gather information quickly. Originally by: Dark Sidhe Hey I'll ve the first to admit that I'm no fan of Goonswarm but I have to concur with the OP's observations. I've taken my own recon/cov ops ships through Delve within the first couple of days and it was like the California Gold Rush all over again. It was fun to see fleets belonging...to well everyone rushing down to moon grab, fight, pirate and make a killing in the local market. This is all the thread is about. I simply stated numbers and facts in a lighthearted way about the topic. I am happy to have more third party verification of my statements. Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition Hmmm how is this any different to last time? Good question, actually. Previous Delve battles have been <enter a random party> vs BoB (then, BoB, anyway). BoB controlled the region and the region to it's south, as well as having infrastructure in Querious and various holdings along it's low sec borders. The BoB infrastructure in Delve was very well put together, all around. If I had to rate BoB's former Delve holdings, from top to bottom I would give them an A+. I remember stealing some of their tower fittings to use as my own, and some of the very ideas they started with and discarded long ago are still in use by some northern alliances and low sec corporations. It was one of the largest, actually, and was extremely well built. The problem with this information is that we have no PRIOR info on it. We don't know the construction rate they used because no one from that era who flew a covops AND may have scanned their systems is even still around. BoB leadership forums had no record of observed speeds (although a very very rough estimate can be gotten from their forums' posts like "placed a few towers today here", etc etc) A large chunk of time is lost to...well, time. We CAN, however, see from 1 year prior to my joining, which is when Eve Online players began recording such things and tracking them. Since that time, no alliance has built at this rate ever. 2 got almost 2/5 the speed but both suffered a catastrophic loss in the process in one form or another (one was a pirate corp attempting to invade Goonswarm's neighbors, the other was a BoB pet which disbanded) So we don't know how fast it was built, but we know the old Delve infrastructure was solid as a rock. To answer your question "How is this different than last time?" Well, all that is gone now. Gone. That is how it is different. Kenzoku (now, Kenzoku) is suffering not only a major loss of structures in a short time span, it is also dealing with a rising of enemy structures and holdings in it's own borders. It is like you injected a cancer cell in to a patient with AIDS. There is no way that the remaining defenses can handle the growth without outside support. It's math. Hope this helps. Originally by: Crimson Justice Yes - please tell me how many cyno jammers they had. No, no, I insist, please tell me. I can eve mail you a complete list of where every cyno jammer was dating back a couple years. Please don't question my work's accuracy as it will dim further study of such cool things in Eve online. My work has been, and will probably continue to be, proven various times over by third parties. Originally by: Crimson Justice Nothing "epic" or fun is happening Oh I disagree! I am LOVING all of this, and being able to record it all for future projects is just the coolest thing I have ever done in any game, let alone Eve Online. I like the "POS grinding stuff" that most people seem to hate. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:36:00 - [109] Originally by: Crimson Justice words and stuff Dude, don't even get me started on UNL's POS fittings. Omist is just the worst region, and I've scanned high sec. Originally by: Kanoubi Facts please. I agree. Let's stick to that. Originally by: Jade Constantine words and stuff HOLY CRAP! I KNOW YOU FROM JUMPGATE! It's Jade! Oh my god, how did you ever EVER get accepted in to another game's forums after that? Paging innominate, rollio, and all the other Jumpgate vets to this thread. Look who it is! It's Berserker from Jumpgate! I would just like to update the Eve community. The man known as Jade is actually one of the worst liars you will ever meet in any game. We used to have days when the entire game community would stop fighting and go kill Jade because he would camp the newbie undock, killing pilots at level 0. He would constantly lie about it and was even temp banned a few times for lying about stuff to the devs regarding bugs during the beta (oh how we laughed when is "great new bug, better back off!" turned out to be nothing AGAIN) (written a bit later) Ok so I am talking with dudes in Goonswarm who last spotted you in a covops shooting your own station because you thought it was an enemy station and there was no one around to help you. WOW...never change Jade. Never ever change! Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson RoyofCA, this was a very interesting read, thanks for that, I hope you keep it up :) I also hope that all the usual drama queens can leave this thread and go ** somewhere else, it would be great to have at least one quality discussion on CAOD. Thank you! It's not often I get thanked for doing what I love, but playing Eve my way is thanks enough. Originally by:** Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/02/2009 19:38:06 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood btw I will stil keep reporting you for highjacking and trolling threads.. If you can't debate em report em Classy. Says the guy who tried to report someone in jumpgate for not helping with a bug test because he was having heart surgery. You have no right to talk to anyone about anything regarding ethics of space games. Originally by: Snowden Vel A) He was presumably using projection to demonstrate the rate at which we're knocking down towers. B) He did mention our allies, see the bolded portion of that quote. 1) No, actually. Goonswarm build rates are actually increasing (which means they are constantly setting the record by the day) so I took a solid build rate at 21Feb2009 and used that. The numbers I got from using an actual projection were stupid and there is no way people would believe me. 2) I told that person I wouldn't debate them and that they misquoted me. That is enough, I thought, but thanks for filling him in. Originally by: Aida Ruiz Originally by: RoyofCA Thus, the mass exodus of players coming back to Eve Online began, as did the final stage of the greatest PvP war ever. Stopped reading here, do you even know what Exodus means? This sentence is terrible. I thought the sentence meant goons moved from all other games to come back to Eve online. Sorry, I am not very good with grammar. What part did I mess up? Originally by: Vinata Originally by: RoyofCA more than half of 0.0 in 7 months, and will obtain total control of all conquerable, lawless space by a year and 2 months (and 17 days) I will go "** Goons" if either of these happens. Mathematically, it's can't. It would be near impossible for even a large portion of ALL alliances in the game combined to sustain this level of construction for that amount of time. BoB and Goonswarm together could not do this for 7 months. Originally by:** Dsan Very nice read,nice for us out side the war to hear what's going on. Thank you! "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:37:00 - [110] Originally by: Straight Chillen Originally by: RoyofCA A very intresting read So basically what I have gathered from your post, is that in 1 years time you want all of 0.0 to one big happy nap fest ala Serenity the Chinese server (2 blue entities control the entirety of their 0.0 space) To me, and I'm sure many others, that sounds terribly boring and stagnant. I don't know about you but I play this game to blow ** up and have a damn good time doing it. The past 6 months have been a blast, and I don't think anyone, on any side can disagree with that. The drama, the fights, propaganda and posting have been top notch. And you want to do away with all that? Sounds like a great way to kill the fun in the best MMO there is. You misquoted me but I agree with your statement. I do not wish to see all of 0.0 fall under one person's control, nor do I think it could ever happen. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"**
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:38:00 - [111] Originally by: Straight Chillen I don't know about you but I play this game to blow ** up and have a damn good time doing it. Is that why you napped with bob? They are all about the "good fights" Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano*
Maryn Kilmak Amarr Eternity INC.	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:44:00 - [112] Originally by: Seth Quantix .. the whole space taking thing in Delve is based on someone causing the alliance holding space to loose all defences. The taking of delve has to be the wost case of exploiting game mechanics in a way they where not intended Absolutely. But the victim is BOB which makes it all the better. I can't think of a better way for them to go than by being victims of a) the sort of stunt they spent their entire existence plotting and b) almost every significant power of eve tramping their ashes into the ground. Its been a good year so far. How can we top this?
Snot Shot Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:46:00 - [113] Goonswarm won the single largest and most Epic War in EVE history in 1-week. And yes I am going to start calling them GoonSwarm instead of Goontards since they were able to amass an amazing amount of GoonSwarm corporations and logistics to pull this off like no other Alliance or Corp in EVE could. */ I bow humbly in your presence.. At current expansion rates, Goonswarm will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months, more than half of 0.0 in 7 months, and will obtain total control of all conquerable, lawless space by a year and 2 months (and 17 days) assuming the infrastructure of such a massive empire could ever be supported by the amount of players Eve Online has. GoonSwarm is the very definition of a Juggernought and the shear proficiency of their tactical supremacy will have all of EVE shaking in their pods for years to come. The tide has truly turned to the day that GoonSwarm is the ultimate power house in this game and nothing will ever change this. GoonSwarm has taken water and made it wine, bread and turned it to fish, and all the while kept the GoonSwarm name untarnished and something to shout from the roof tops in real life. God bless.. I mean GoonSwarm bless you all and fly safe - SS
JeanPaul Sartre Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:47:00 - [114] Originally by: Princess Jodi I refuse to have a male escort from California in my fleets. Did you spend extra time studying the roller-skating *got from Reno 911 before you made your toon, or was it a self-portrait? Looking forward to warping to zero on your Covert, then kicking you from the fleet. Oh, and you still forgot your allies. WOW! This is possibly the best post in COAD this year. -- Quote:** If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
JeanPaul Sartre Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.24 01:52:00 - [115] Edited by: JeanPaul Sartre on 24/02/2009 01:53:47 edit: no u -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Orebuster Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 02:00:00 - [116] Originally by: Snot Shot GoonSwarm has taken water and made it wine, bread and turned it to fish Not even jeebus did that!
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.24 02:11:00 - [117] Originally by: Snot Shot God bless.. I mean GoonSwarm bless you all and fly safe - SS I was just curious as to how may ships you killed since joining Privs, hope it wasn't too expensive for you. Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
Doosh Bagge Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.24 02:58:00 - [118] Originally by: RoyofCA "BoB just lost everything. Log back in to Eve Online and kill everyone in Delve. We are moving to Delve". Thus, the mass exodus of players coming back to Eve Online began, as did the final stage of the greatest PvP war ever. Yeah, checking a box and disbanding an alliance is the best PvP move EVAR. It's almost as awesome as the threads you feel you must constantly create about it. Really. CAOD is a better place for having been filled with 8 year old boys screaming and throwing food at each other. Please, continue the quality level of posts that we have come to expect from you, Goons.
Fraud Crawler Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 03:00:00 - [119] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Montasque Please give me examples! Oh wait you dont have any! All your accusations are hearsay and rumor and are not substantiated by facts. But I would expect nothing less from a merchant of empty and weak rhetoric. Sure, during the CSM election campaign goonies contacted 2 of my previous contract employers through the emails harvested from my online cv to inform them that I was moonlighting as an internet brothel keeper and prostitute. Fortunately these guys saw the funny side and knew who the goons were from previous extra-curricular activities in the world of online gaming. But taken serious that would be an attempt to get me fired and use real-world intimidation tactics to get me to drop out of the CSM race. Obviously I couldn't petition about it formally since the goons in question didn't use their character names but the material sent and linked is still being used by goonswarm members on this very forum in trolling attempts through threads posted over the last few days. Is that 100% proof? Nope of course, such proof is not obtainable without CIA internet wiretaps or bugging the computers of geeks in their parent's basements. Not practical and not worth the time to get wound up about. So I just laughed about it with CCP and CSM in iceland and we just wrote it off as serious-business goons trying to fix an election. Lucky for you guys I have a sense of humour and a profession that isn't biased against internet prostitutes and brothel keepers. Take it or leave it. But you'll note I'm not the one boasting the BBC about my culture of telling lies about a video game. hahahaha you're so full of **** especially since we found the information you're whining about like two days ago with the power of google. it's not hard when you can't stop talking about yourself.
Vinata Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 03:09:00 - [120] Originally by: Straight Chillen Originally by: RoyofCA A very intresting read So basically what I have gathered from your post, is that in 1 years time you want all of 0.0 to one big happy nap fest ala Serenity the Chinese server (2 blue entities control the entirety of their 0.0 space) This isn't true. While it was true as of late 2006, a lot of changes were introduced (including ones introduced on Tranquility) which shook things up a bit. The bug that numerous alliances used to make territory grabs impossible was removed, and the amount of pilots capable of piloting capitals increased, as well as the amount of people capable of producing them. There are now large scale battles all over 0.0 on Serenity, and at least one supercapital has been lost. I haven't checked in a while, so I'm unsure as to if a titan has died yet, but I do know that at least one mothership died and that they do have titans. This information was confirmed by one of the Chinese devs at the latest FanFest, and some of that information can also be gained from watching some of the videos the CCP posted in the week or two after FanFest finished.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Minmatar Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.24 03:15:00 - [121] Originally by: James Duar We're not gonna conquer all of space. We're just periodically going to burn all of space to the ground. Wow, it sounds like you're going to go from place to place dealing out maximum damage to people and property randomly to prove your awesomeness and how you CONTROL OUR GAME. You guys should give the concept a name, I hear you get instant New York Times coverage for doing stuff like that. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Vinata Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 03:18:00 - [122] We have a name for it already. It is Operation: Drop Gallente Outposts In Every System.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Minmatar Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.24 03:33:00 - [123] Originally by: Vinata We have a name for it already. It is Operation: Drop Gallente Outposts In Every System. That's not very catchy, Operation DGOIES... I think you guys should hire Molle, right now he's not doing anything productive and he's always been good at taking steaming piles of BS and disguising them as something cool. He'd be able to give you guys a great name for your impending 0.0 Full-Court Press. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Vinata Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 03:38:00 - [124] He's not very good with freighters though and those are vital to our operation.
Muro Deez Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 04:00:00 - [125] I don't know if anyone pointed this out but UNL is United Legion, not UNLeashed Legion, you dorks.
Shichiro Motokana Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 04:28:00 - [126] Originally by: Crimson Justice Is it? If PvP to you means Player-versus-POS, yea - it probably is. What doesn't compute are the tactics used by the overwhelming NC/Goons/PL force and calling it something great or epic. It's not PVP, its math. Oh, pubbie. Who are you anyway? Some simple questions should come to even the mind of a simpleton like yourself as you make these moronic points of yours. Questions like, where are the defenders? Why aren't they showing up to defend their space? I'm confident you will find every excuse for them, but I've engaged the defenders and I know first hand we broke their will in battle and engaged them victoriously. Ignore it if you like, I doubt you were there to see it anyway. As for your comment about numbers, your parents must have jumped up and down on your head in your infant years. Every enemy calls for help when they need it. It's a fact of life and if you don't make it a practice to get friends of your own to help you, then that must be I've never heard of you or yours. And I'm sorry that you've never been outnumbered in a fight and still won. It's a great feeling. - what
SK Rooster Gallente No Trademark	Posted - 2009.02.24 06:59:00 - [127] goons suck
SirTrolle Amarr Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.02.24 08:36:00 - [128] Originally by: SK Rooster goons suck mlyp
Seth Quantix Amarr Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.24 10:07:00 - [129] Originally by: RoyofCA Originally by: Seth Quantix Normal goon drivvel and smack. wall of text not worth reading. Funny how goons think this is over and BOB will just let it go. It's not over yet boys I am sure as the name can change but the purpose for been won't. Dance your merry dance as I look forward to seeing you all emo quit again. PS, intresting that your own space has all been taken from you yet no alt corps spamming drivvel about it?? smack away children.. I can prove everything I said. That is why I said it. Lastly, your corporation is named Force of Evil, haha![/quote You can prove your going to stone wall eve, so you can exploit game mechanics to remove everyones sov? STFU serious Second My corp is named force of Evil Dam, who changed it from Domination? Guess it will match my alliance name now.. Learn to read before you spam crap again please goon ----------------------------------------------- The NC final solution: Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
Jack Archer Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 10:19:00 - [130] I really liked Brobucks posts in this thread, cheers mate --- Booya.
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 11:12:00 - [131] Originally by: Seth Quantix words and a post in bad need of editing Off topic. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
Mach42 Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 11:59:00 - [132] Edited by: Mach42 on 24/02/2009 12:01:27 This fight has been more even than most people would think if the sheer pilot number comparison is not taken into account. Kenzoku has lost their sov? We started with none in Delve. So Kenzoku has lost their jump bridges, cynojammers, and other sov-based infrastructure and protection in one fell swoop? Goons have none of that in Delve either. Kenzoku doesn't have protected CSAAs producing caps and supercaps? Neither do we. Before, whichever side was on defense had a huge advantage in holding their territories from a massive takeover as has just happened. Haargoth's actions have merely leveled the field. I would say that the uprooting of Goonfleet from Feyth/Teneferis/Detorid has been as much of a disrupting factor to the swarm as did BoB's disbanding had on themselves. It's only through the amazing help of our allies and sound, if not lucky, strategy that has led to the events in Delve happening as they have to now. If AAA had shown the same willingness to help Kenzoku in their time of need as RAZOR, MM, PL, UNL, and our other friends have shown to us, maybe Kenzoku would not be where they are today.
Gilbert Drillerson Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 12:00:00 - [133] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson RoyofCA, this was a very interesting read, thanks for that, I hope you keep it up :) I also hope that all the usual drama queens can leave this thread and go **** somewhere else, it would be great to have atleast one quality discussion on CAOD. Probably worth having a word with your alliance mate then. He was the first one to stand hurling unsubstantiated accusations of murky misdeeds at BOB while standing inside the very fragile goonswarm glass house. You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history to let you off that lightly. If you don't want to discuss scandal and misdeeds don't bring up the subject. Well Jade, I guess you would describe your self as a seasoned eve player. I however am a Goon, which means that I am a rifter flying easy swattable bee ? In some ways thats true offcause, however I have been in eve since January 2004 and that has teached me a few things... well one thing really: Kill Bob, they deserve it. The reasons behind that are many, but the main reason is the game mechanich exploits that they them selves introduced, using them mercilessly and the treason towards allies and even pets, they made that their hallmark trait in the last 5 years. The realization came back in the day where Bob backstabbed ASCN, its not the oldest one i know from them, but it was that who was the reason for founding DS1 with one main goal: Kill Bob. We have worked that way ever since, and we will never relent until that goal is completely met. Kenny is Bob, so they inherited the honor of being our goal. Being a Goon has made this very possible and we all learned to love the crazyness inherent in all goons. Weather we succeed.. time will show, but as i said, we will never relent and never give up :) http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0902/gs.gif Dont get mad - Get even
Lord StarJacker Minmatar Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:14:00 - [134] Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson RoyofCA, this was a very interesting read, thanks for that, I hope you keep it up :) I also hope that all the usual drama queens can leave this thread and go **** somewhere else, it would be great to have atleast one quality discussion on CAOD. Probably worth having a word with your alliance mate then. He was the first one to stand hurling unsubstantiated accusations of murky misdeeds at BOB while standing inside the very fragile goonswarm glass house. You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history to let you off that lightly. If you don't want to discuss scandal and misdeeds don't bring up the subject. Well Jade, I guess you would describe your self as a seasoned eve player. I however am a Goon, which means that I am a rifter flying easy swattable bee ? In some ways thats true offcause, however I have been in eve since January 2004 and that has teached me a few things... well one thing really: Kill Bob, they deserve it. The reasons behind that are many, but the main reason is the game mechanich exploits that they them selves introduced, using them mercilessly and the treason towards allies and even pets, they made that their hallmark trait in the last 5 years. The realization came back in the day where Bob backstabbed ASCN, its not the oldest one i know from them, but it was that who was the reason for founding DS1 with one main goal: Kill Bob. We have worked that way ever since, and we will never relent until that goal is completely met. Kenny is Bob, so they inherited the honor of being our goal. Being a Goon has made this very possible and we all learned to love the crazyness inherent in all goons. Weather we succeed.. time will show, but as i said, we will never relent and never give up :) In before Jade makes some comment about the use of English in this post without considering the fact that the poster may not speak English as his primary language. Its true, they did dig this grave themselves, and I find it hilarious that people like Jade exist on this forum attempting to cause some sort of mental damage to the goons. You're just one [small, tiny, insignificant] entity in this game. Whether you like it or not, the goons AND allies have done something no corp would of ever been able to do. Yes, they did it using non-traditional ways, but the way they did it was the only way to take out BoB. Goons know this, and why would they shame it? Jade, you have nothing on the goons, absolutely nothing. Your posts, your "hive mind" attacks, the insect insults.. they're all nothing. The goons do act like bees, because they understand that power comes in numbers. This has proven true in every single aspect of any sort of war, may it be digital or real. They are a corporation, they are a group of members fighting for a cause, or just for the fun. Do they resemble a hive mind? absolutely. Yet I cannot seem, in my little pubbie mind, to understand why anyone would consider that to be a bad thing. The goons in massive numbers, in their "bee like(this is not an insult, they present this image, you did not "analyze" it)", hive minded form have accomplished more in this game than you can ever hope to dream of together. Yes, individually the goons are nothing, but together, with their allies they are the terror that sits in the hearts of thousands of players that are losing the very foundation that they have built for all these years, and they're scared. Terrified. And so are you. The goons love it, they feed off it, it is exactly what they play this game for and every one of your teary eyed posts make them even more satisfied. You are accomplishing nothing. You are nothing. Neither am I, but you see, like the members of goonswarm and, well, most of the world, I don't give a damn. P.S. you seem to have some sort of mental disorder. You should seriously see a shrink.
Harry Paratesteas Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:21:00 - [135] Edited by: Harry Paratesteas on 24/02/2009 13:21:17 Originally by: SK Rooster goons suck Quote this if you're down. hpt "We don't have any advantages, so we can't obey your stupid 'space bushido'. We're going to spy, we're going to use defectors, we're going to lie, cheat, steal and be bastards."
ChalSto Gallente LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:24:00 - [136] Originally by: RoyofCA ...the end of the war... If Goons think, the war is over, than you guys suddenly blast my imagination of Goon-stupidly And the pure mass of PL-"were soooo good"-posts is amazing. In Germany, theres a nice proverb for that: "Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung" Originally by: Agmar ----------------------------------------------- "The North is so ghey that even the NPCs fly ravens."
Ceros X Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:30:00 - [137] Originally by: Harry Paratesteas Edited by: Harry Paratesteas on 24/02/2009 13:21:17 Originally by: SK Rooster goons suck Quote this if you're down.
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:52:00 - [138] Originally by: Mach42 If AAA had shown the same willingness to help Kenzoku in their time of need as RAZOR, MM, PL, UNL, and our other friends have shown to us, maybe Kenzoku would not be where they are today. Instead, Kenzoku's allies have shown nothing but indecisiveness, inability to commit, and personal greed for territory. To be fair, why should kengoku (anime is cartoons) pets show up to do a job kengoku (anime is cartoons) won't do for themselves. KFC allies will show up when Kenny shows up. On a brighter note, we have got the best allies in the game, bar none, I mean damn, we have good allies. (Don't forget TCF and ZAF in that above list)
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:59:00 - [139] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: RoyofCA ...the end of the war... If Goons think, the war is over, than you guys suddenly blast my imagination of Goon-stupidly And the pure mass of PL-"were soooo good"-posts is amazing. In Germany, theres a nice proverb for that: "Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung" We're not good, we just suck less than you do.
Joe Goon Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 14:18:00 - [140] Originally by: Harry Paratesteas Edited by: Harry Paratesteas on 24/02/2009 13:21:17 Originally by: SK Rooster goons suck Quote this if you're down.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.24 16:35:00 - [141] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: RoyofCA ...the end of the war... If Goons think, the war is over, than you guys suddenly blast my imagination of Goon-stupidly And the pure mass of PL-"were soooo good"-posts is amazing. In Germany, theres a nice proverb for that: "Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung" we are nothing special, in fact we're pretty bad (not as bad as goons tho)
Lucututerian Minmatar Cataclysm Enterprises HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.02.24 16:39:00 - [142] "RoyofCA" OMG how can a single human wright a so big load of S***T. wat ever you smoking or drinking, i want some pls, that stuff must guarntee you alot of wet dreams. oh man, still cant beleave it, and cant stop smiling. WAR IS BAD, BUT THE SOUND IS COOL!!
Garregus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:01:00 - [143] didnt read the whole thread but havent seen anything besides "you are lying omg" without anything substanitive and jade being a terrible and unintelligent liar.
Is forporn Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:03:00 - [144] Originally by: Joe Goon Originally by: Harry Paratesteas Edited by: Harry Paratesteas on 24/02/2009 13:21:17 Originally by: SK Rooster goons suck Quote this if you're down.
Sitagacha tasekaka Amarr Universal Business Systems	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:15:00 - [145] Originally by: Is for** Originally by:** Joe Goon Originally by: Harry Paratesteas Edited by: Harry Paratesteas on 24/02/2009 13:21:17 Originally by: SK Rooster goons suck Quote this if you're down. Quote this if you have downs
ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:15:00 - [146] Originally by: ChalSto In Germany, theres a nice proverb for that: "Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung" "I don't care if it IS a chicken?"
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:20:00 - [147] Originally by: Is for** Originally by:** Joe Goon Originally by: Harry Paratesteas Originally by: SK Rooster goons suck Quote this if you touch yourself.
Davor Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:56:00 - [148] Hurf blurf thread is hurf blurf. Also our allies are wonderful, nuff said.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:29:00 - [149] Originally by: Lord StarJacker In before Jade makes some comment about the use of English in this post without considering the fact that the poster may not speak English as his primary language. Its true, they did dig this grave themselves, and I find it hilarious that people like Jade exist on this forum attempting to cause some sort of mental damage to the goons. You're just one [small, tiny, insignificant] entity in this game. Whether you like it or not, the goons AND allies have done something no corp would of ever been able to do. Yes, they did it using non-traditional ways, but the way they did it was the only way to take out BoB. Goons know this, and why would they shame it? Jade, you have nothing on the goons, absolutely nothing. Your posts, your "hive mind" attacks, the insect insults.. they're all nothing. The goons do act like bees, because they understand that power comes in numbers. This has proven true in every single aspect of any sort of war, may it be digital or real. They are a corporation, they are a group of members fighting for a cause, or just for the fun. Do they resemble a hive mind? absolutely. Yet I cannot seem, in my little pubbie mind, to understand why anyone would consider that to be a bad thing. The goons in massive numbers, in their "bee like(this is not an insult, they present this image, you did not "analyze" it)", hive minded form have accomplished more in this game than you can ever hope to dream of together. Yes, individually the goons are nothing, but together, with their allies they are the terror that sits in the hearts of thousands of players that are losing the very foundation that they have built for all these years, and they're scared. Terrified. And so are you. The goons love it, they feed off it, it is exactly what they play this game for and every one of your teary eyed posts make them even more satisfied. You are accomplishing nothing. You are nothing. Neither am I, but you see, like the members of goonswarm and, well, most of the world, I don't give a damn. Removed. Navigator Actually the main problem is lack of objectivity and a little bit too much in the way of credulous fanboism. Clearly you are either a goon, or somebody that badly wants to be a goon - hence all the goon praise. Nobody really "fears" these people. There is nothing to be afraid of. Beyond that, next time please use paragraphs. ISSUE - Bring back space bushido
fishblades Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.25 02:44:00 - [150] Edited by: fishblades on 25/02/2009 02:44:27 All of you still complaining about game mechanics are ******s. Everyone said when this happened that BoB wasn't going anywhere and they still had ships and would fight. THE WAR ISNT OVER GOONIE ;YARR: So they don't have sov4, big deal. We dont either. For the first time it's an even playing field for both sides, no jammers, no beacons, no bridges and they wont fight. They are nothing without their sov4 fortress. also someone mentioned what we would do if the shoe was on the other foot. We would laugh and jump into the meatgrinder.
Ralph42nd Gallente Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.25 06:04:00 - [151] Originally by: fishblades also someone mentioned what we would do if the shoe was on the other foot. We would laugh and jump into the meatgrinder. This a thousand times. I don't speak for all of goonkind but the name itself is really meaningless. If you took away the alliance and the corp name we would reform under the name man babies and fly out tomorrow and wreak havoc on whatever we could for the sake of doing just that. Kenzoku (anime is cartoons) on the other hand met us on the battlefeild only a handful of times and choose to hide in what little they have left of their home instead of coming out to fight for it. As many have said the battlefeild is even, they're better than us and all our allies (<3 all of our allies BTW, TCF best F, PL best L, MM best M, etc) so they should win this right? Right? Fact is they arn't even trying, they're sitting on their hands waiting for us to go away, just as you are darling. If that's the only hope you have, what makes you think it will ever come true? Fake edit : pubbie tears really are wonderful (from a char in a pubbie GS Corp)
128th ABC123 Caldari Eve Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.02.25 08:54:00 - [152] Originally by: RoyofCA My job is to go deep.... high five!
Angus McDorble Caldari Risky Advanced Production Enterprises GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:38:00 - [153] You know, the best part of this is all the sperging out over the big pile of silliness that is Goonswarm. You can't win a psychological war against goons. You really can't. Why are you even TRYING? ------------------------------- Sorry I stunk up the factory. Oh snap, I gots censored!
James Duar Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.25 14:50:00 - [154] Originally by: Jade Constantine WALL OF TEXT Not being afraid is pretty easy when you never leave empire. Also never logging a Titan on.
Biscuit0 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.25 14:58:00 - [155] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: RoyofCA ...the end of the war... If Goons think, the war is over, than you guys suddenly blast my imagination of Goon-stupidly And the pure mass of PL-"were soooo good"-posts is amazing. In Germany, theres a nice proverb for that: "Einbildung ist auch eine Bildung" What are you talking about? After Kenny falls all of EVE will be blue. Don't you know Goons are nappy nappers who are napped with all of EVE but not Kenny? Nothing is going to happen to us :colbert:
w00tle Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.25 15:27:00 - [156] war...war never changes
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.25 15:34:00 - [157] Originally by: Muro Deez I don't know if anyone pointed this out but UNL is United Legion, not UNLeashed Legion, you dorks. Believe it or not we are also blue to UNLeashed Legion.
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.27 21:36:00 - [158] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: RoyofCA My job is to go deep.... high five! Best post in this thread. Originally by: Angus McDorble You can't win a psychological war against goons. You really can't. Why are you even TRYING? Exactly! And yet no one seems to understand this. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"
Harry Besebes Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.28 17:05:00 - [159] Originally by: RoyofCA Originally by: Angus McDorble You can't win a psychological war against goons. You really can't. Why are you even TRYING? Exactly! And yet no one seems to understand this. Goon jihad.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.28 19:30:00 - [160] Originally by: Snot Shot At current expansion rates, Goonswarm will have consumed most of the south-western map in 4 months, more than half of 0.0 in 7 months, and will obtain total control of all conquerable, lawless space by a year and 2 months (and 17 days) assuming the infrastructure of such a massive empire could ever be supported by the amount of players Eve Online has. Ok, this is twice I've seen this in this thread, and I've heard it said about BoB in the past. Total control of Tranquility 0.0 is a complete pipe dream. I won't sit here and pretend I know what the Goons are up to in the grand scheme of things, but I'm pretty sure this ain't in the cards. Even during the first invasion of Delve, they were pushing their logistics capabilities to the limits, and by the same token, so was BoB during their invasion of the north. In fact, I'm betting the only reason they had the ability to do this massive pile-on in Delve is because they uprooted the majority of their assets in the southeast to do it. That alone speaks to the upper limits of what Goonswarm is capable of (realistically), and I would be impressed if they were to keep up this pace after they've secured Delve (and surrounds). BoB, Goonswarm, Red Alliance, and Against All Authorities give a pretty good indicator of just what the lines in the sand are for expansion. Three regions, tops. Beyond that, the supply lines are too stretched, your ambitions start making your former blues rather uncomfortable, and you end up stepping on so many toes, the next bull's eye gets painted on your back. Or worse, you end up expanding to such a size that internal strife tears you apart from within. Now, maybe this is the grand plan for the Goons. Hell, as long as you can control the incoming aggression from other alliances, it sounds like a PvPer's wet dream. But believe me, no alliance is going to get even half the map under Sov 1 before the next coalition forms to topple them. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
RoyofCA Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.02 00:34:00 - [161] Originally by: Janu Hull Words and some pretty good info actually Well, to be honest, he's kinda right. I would actually say the max was 4-4/12 regions, but that's kinda semantics since it's all about even at that scale (I've actually heard people say "meh, it's only 3 regions away" but will not actually go 4 regions even if it's 2 more jumps. Go fig.) Other than that, yeah he's right. "Those that live by the sword get shot by those who don't"

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