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Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2009.02.24 12:07:00 - [1] Decided to post here since I can't log in the game atm, and I haven't received any response on the message on the bank's site. Just wondering when my withdrawal/refund will be processed, since it's been a few days already, thanks.
amarrcommander	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:12:00 - [2] Here we go again Dog, Same old Sh&TT just a different day. This is either one heck of a scam, or the worst run IPO/Bond/Bank ever.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:17:00 - [3] Given that they only have one or two people handling transactions at the moment, I believe it was stated before that delays will happen until another teller is brought on. Give them time to response. Last time there was a big delay, he logged on and processed through some 100 requests in a night.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.02.24 14:03:00 - [4] Originally by: amarrcommander This is ... the worst run IPO/Bond/Bank ever. How short people's memories are. IPO, Bond or Bank, take your pick. There have been a lot worse. Even if Dynasty were to turn to scamming tommorrow, they would still be head and sholders above the worst of any of these thus far.
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.02.24 18:28:00 - [5] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Given that they only have one or two people handling transactions at the moment, I believe it was stated before that delays will happen until another teller is brought on. As far as I know, we still don't have any withdrawal tellers beyond Manalapan, and having only one means there's a risk that real life issues will result in withdrawal times being unacceptable, from time to time. We are very sorry about this, and Manalapan is taking steps to hire more withdrawal tellers, but there must be some reason why it is taking so long. -- Salpad
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:15:00 - [6] I want to know why the most active DBANK employee has been given and held a crappy PR role when something so much more important (withdrawals) is untouched. You are basically a corporate asset that should be easily able to be integrated into the operation.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:28:00 - [7] Honestly I wonder if DBANK has even made up the loss they took, they are very low key atm, not much talk (don't recall any reports in 2mths or so now, could be wrong on this). I would be staying away from this until some questions are taken care of, and customers come first. Right now it seems neither are being taken care of except by one person that is suppose to be a PR Rep but seems to know very little going on. Even with EBANK if needed I have MSN Contacts, Phone numbers, Private messages via forum boards, and many employee's to contact. DBANK needs somthing similiar to get my isk. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:47:00 - [8] Edited by: cosmoray on 24/02/2009 22:47:45 The HUGELY worrying thing for me is that most of DBank's profits come from trading. They do have some investments and loans but these barely cover the 7% 4 month CD interest rate. Now it looks like all the work of DBank is being done by Manalapan. If he doesn't have time to deal with withdrawals, how can he possibly have time to generate over 20B per month in wealth creation to cover interest payments. I can't see how a 1 man operation can survive like this. At some point (I think very soon) we will reach a tipping point and drastic measures will need to be taken. Also, Salpad what do you actually do? You come on here and TRY to answer questions, but it seems as if you don't have any REAL answers. Can you contact Manalapan in RL? Do you talk? I personally am losing confidence in DBank, and I haven't seen any monthly statements or reports to put my mind at ease. Some communication and an audit is required. At the very least to confirm the total money on deposit exists.
Chaos Dreams	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:07:00 - [9] I've also been waiting for a withdrawal, for three days now. The timestamp for my request was "2009-02-22 00:50:51" and it still says it's not claimed by a teller yet. I posted on their forums last night asking if there was a problem delaying things but no official reply as of yet. Though someone else did post saying they've been waiting for a few days, too.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:10:00 - [10] Originally by: cosmoray Some communication and an audit is required. At the very least to confirm the total money on deposit exists. I'm in possession of api keys sufficient to audit dBank. I have not started on this audit as of yet though I've had the api keys for about 2 weeks now. (I'm clearing my plate of everything before I commit.) I applied to be a teller, my one specific requirement was if I could remain anonymous, but dBank's needs outweighed my desire for low(er) profile. I am in no position to speak for dBank, I am not being paid by dBank, and we have currently had no conversation about me ever being paid by dBank. I think the actual desire is to have me be as independent as possible while still providing a critical eye that may help dBank. PS: I've also recently suggested a teller process that could relieve some pressure but will require some coding and though adjustments. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: cosmoray Some communication and an audit is required. At the very least to confirm the total money on deposit exists. I'm in possession of api keys sufficient to audit dBank. I have not started on this audit as of yet though I've had the api keys for about 2 weeks now. (I'm clearing my plate of everything before I commit.) I applied to be a teller, my one specific requirement was if I could remain anonymous, but dBank's needs outweighed my desire for low(er) profile. I am in no position to speak for dBank, I am not being paid by dBank, and we have currently had no conversation about me ever being paid by dBank. I think the actual desire is to have me be as independent as possible while still providing a critical eye that may help dBank. PS: I've also recently suggested a teller process that could relieve some pressure but will require some coding and though adjustments. Shar, maybe you have his ear better than I do. EBANK has offered twice now to "loan" him a teller or two if he hits a busy spot in his life. DBANK's lack of tellers is an operational risk to the Bank and I have no understanding as to why their process for getting new tellers is taking THIS long. A quick band-aid fix would be to put out a call for some of the more established MD names to come on as tellers for short fixed periods of time (a month or two) while he finishes getting more long term ones. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Lecero Minmatar Black Elite Black Mesa Project	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:31:00 - [12] Something has to be done - update the website - send a notice to existing "customers" anything.... The not knowing makes me want to put my iskies in coffee cans... 4 days is too long for a transaction in my opinion...
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.25 00:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Lecero Something has to be done - update the website - send a notice to existing "customers" anything.... The not knowing makes me want to put my iskies in coffee cans... 4 days is too long for a transaction in my opinion... While I share your frustration, I would advocate the need for patience. DBANK has done very well for itself all things considered. I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.02.25 01:02:00 - [14] I've twice posted on the forum offering to be a teller... Blueprint Store
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.25 01:24:00 - [15] Hell if someone just needs a warm body to process some request during the day, you all know I got time while IM at work. 5 minutes of my day at lunch while Im eating a Healthy Choice meal isn't much.
Chaos Dreams	Posted - 2009.02.25 02:49:00 - [16] Just an update, my withdrawal was processed about a half hour ago.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.25 03:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Hexxx EBANK has offered twice now to "loan" him a teller or two if he hits a busy spot in his life. DBANK's lack of tellers is an operational risk to the Bank and I have no understanding as to why their process for getting new tellers is taking THIS long. For all of my supposed animosity towards eBank I have complete trust and faith in eBank tellers and staff. So, if I was influential in decision making process, I'd not hesitate to a little competition fraternization. But Xabier's actions has done damage. In an environment wrought with a lot of mistrust dBank simply needs to weather through the process of internal introspection (which I'm going to be part of) as well as bringing more tellers online. It is to my understanding that another teller has come online within the past 24 hours. I've received additional api keys for people becoming "staff" and who will be handling dBank funds. As to finding more tellers, eBank itself, for all of it's market presence, still has only a few tellers as well. IMNSHO If not for the workhorse known as Athre I think you guys would have much much higher service response times. And I know for a fact that people like Athre, and the other tellers/staff at eBank, are very few. Very very few. So I'd say it is wise of dBank to progress slowly at this time and risk some customer dissatisfaction while it does its best to recover, and restructure, from Xabier's actions. It's simply the responsible thing to do. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.25 03:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Hexxx EBANK has offered twice now to "loan" him a teller or two if he hits a busy spot in his life. DBANK's lack of tellers is an operational risk to the Bank and I have no understanding as to why their process for getting new tellers is taking THIS long. For all of my supposed animosity towards eBank I have complete trust and faith in eBank tellers and staff. So, if I was influential in decision making process, I'd not hesitate to a little competition fraternization. But Xabier's actions has done damage. In an environment wrought with a lot of mistrust dBank simply needs to weather through the process of internal introspection (which I'm going to be part of) as well as bringing more tellers online. It is to my understanding that another teller has come online within the past 24 hours. I've received additional api keys for people becoming "staff" and who will be handling dBank funds. As to finding more tellers, eBank itself, for all of it's market presence, still has only a few tellers as well. IMNSHO If not for the workhorse known as Athre I think you guys would have much much higher service response times. And I know for a fact that people like Athre, and the other tellers/staff at eBank, are very few. Very very few. So I'd say it is wise of dBank to progress slowly at this time and risk some customer dissatisfaction while it does its best to recover, and restructure, from Xabier's actions. It's simply the responsible thing to do. I'm happy to say that I think we've taken some of the burden off Athre these days, but yes, for a while there she was the key reason for our exceptional response to withdraw requests. I'm not condemning DBANK here, I want them to succeed. I'm hoping your involvement will help them in that respect. I also agree with your assessment and would go so far as to point out that one of DBANK's strengths is it's ability to weather the storm of criticism. Also, I'm not going to belabor the point here; but you were an asset to EBANK when we had you, and I have full faith that you are and will be an asset to DBANK. Anyway, I've voiced my concerns and my support. I hope DBANK remains a competitor of EBANK for a long time to come. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.02.25 03:56:00 - [19] I would be happy to be a teller for DBANK, I am very trustworthy and hve numerous alt's that will provide references upon request.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.25 08:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Kirra Liu I would be happy to be a teller for DBANK, I am very trustworthy and hve numerous alt's that will provide references upon request. Fortunately with the newer teller process that is being implemented, you are an ideal candidate. The new system is not the honor system like eBank's. Dynasty bank realizes that it is foolish to ask all of you try simply trust anyone who could become a teller. And having been involved with eBank's tellering system, I have to admit there is significant risk in that tired old model. Especially to anyone who doesn't regularly check their accounts. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.25 08:36:00 - [21] 2/25/2009 3:17:46 AM Shar Tegral And having been involved with eBank's tellering system, I have to admit there is significant risk in that tired old model. Especially to anyone who doesn't regularly check their accounts. 2/25/2009 3:20:41 AM Ricdic for sure 2/25/2009 3:20:52 AM Ricdic the new system will be far better for teller stuffs 2/25/2009 3:20:58 AM Ricdic one day when jules finishes it all My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.25 08:38:00 - [22] hehe awesome. If you wanted the msn logs posted you only had to say so. Do you really want the public to just how emo and crazy you go when you are upset?
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.25 08:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Ricdic hehe awesome. If you wanted the msn logs posted you only had to say so. Do you really want the public to just how emo and crazy you go when you are upset? What I had to say to you was not emo nor crazy. It's what I honestly felt. But please, proceed to the nearest eBank forum and post our logs. I'm not ashamed of telling you off in the least. I'm quite proud of it. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.25 08:55:00 - [24] I don't think there are any gains to be had over duking it out in public like this guys. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.25 09:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Hexxx I don't think there are any gains to be had over duking it out in public like this guys. Then fire whoever it was who was supposed to check Ric's muzzle. Because buddy boy has seriously made this issue irresolvable. LOL, I actually do hope he posts the logs. I truly am proud of what I had to say. To him and at him. But that might just be my inner "psychotic emo rager" talking. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.02.25 10:25:00 - [26] Haven't we done this before? If memory serves, the last time you two decided to duke it out on the forums it rapidly degenerated from you two taking swings at each other to every alt and troll in town taking the opportunity to sucker punch EBANK such that by the time the thread got locked everyone was too busy watching EBANK take a bruising to even notice which one of you had won. You two are pillars of this community, petty bickering does not become you and sniping at each other helps no one but the trolls.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.02.25 11:05:00 - [27] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/02/2009 11:13:27 Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Ricdic hehe awesome. If you wanted the msn logs posted you only had to say so. Do you really want the public to just how emo and crazy you go when you are upset? What I had to say to you was not emo nor crazy. It's what I honestly felt. But please, proceed to the nearest eBank forum and post our logs. I'm not ashamed of telling you off in the least. I'm quite proud of it. Ricdic remember what I taught you boy, give him the left and then the low kick. Originally by: Kwint Sommer You two are pillars of this community, petty bickering does not become you and sniping at each other helps no one but the trolls. As long as people keep in mind this is just a game, they'll be fine. Black Sun Empire
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:39:00 - [28] How did this go from DBANK thread to an EBANK Thread? Was reading through the thread then Shar started talking about EBANK tellering then posting logs of MSN Convo's. Did I miss somthing?
Salvo Brunel	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:42:00 - [29] Originally by: eVaLF How did this go from DBANK thread to an EBANK Thread? Was reading through the thread then Shar started talking about EBANK tellering then posting logs of MSN Convo's. Did I miss somthing? All threads are EBank threads. Some threads just don't know their true nature yet.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.02.25 13:00:00 - [30] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/02/2009 13:00:28 Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Kirra Liu I would be happy to be a teller for DBANK, I am very trustworthy and hve numerous alt's that will provide references upon request. Fortunately with the newer teller process that is being implemented, you are an ideal candidate. The new system is not the honor system like eBank's. Dynasty bank realizes that it is foolish to ask all of you try simply trust anyone who could become a teller. And having been involved with eBank's tellering system, I have to admit there is significant risk in that tired old model. Especially to anyone who doesn't regularly check their accounts. I assume that the new system will simply transfer isk between the debtor's and creditor's Dbank accounts / automatically create a new account. I can see this working for Ebank... but Dbank? Black Sun Empire
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.25 13:09:00 - [31] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/02/2009 13:06:59 Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Kirra Liu I would be happy to be a teller for DBANK, I am very trustworthy and hve numerous alt's that will provide references upon request. Fortunately with the newer teller process that is being implemented, you are an ideal candidate. The new system is not the honor system like eBank's. Dynasty bank realizes that it is foolish to ask all of you try simply trust anyone who could become a teller. And having been involved with eBank's tellering system, I have to admit there is significant risk in that tired old model. Especially to anyone who doesn't regularly check their accounts. I assume that the new system will simply transfer isk between the debtor's and creditor's Dbank accounts / automatically create a new account. I can see this working for Ebank... but Dbank? Originally by: eVaLF How did this go from DBANK thread to an EBANK Thread? Was reading through the thread then Shar started talking about EBANK tellering then posting logs of MSN Convo's. Did I miss somthing? Manalapan is the only one who knows what's going on and he doesn't post. So we're lending Salpad a hand here by discussing similar problems that Ebank has encountered. Prevention is better than cure you know. If its a software system that can be lisc out and tailored to suit your needs (if I have been following Mr H's hints at this point) then the opportunities for not just Dbank, but every other financial startup model are pretty huge. ...but this thread is getting off track here.
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.02.25 13:44:00 - [32] How many oars does a boat need? (that is not supposed to be a pun!) I'm going to stick mine in anyway. RL issues took Iknota out of the game just at the time DBANK was growing incredibly quickly. Iknota was not only a teller and face of DBANK but also very involved in the website and backoffice systems. Hopefully he will be back soon Also at this time Xabier, a generally trusted member of the MD community, decided to abuse the position of trust he'd been given and run off with the assets allocated to him. There's more to being a teller than just handing out cash. Multiple tellers cannot process the same withdrawal; different accounts have rules on number of withdrawals allowed within a given timeframe; A withdrawal has potential impact on interest earned and unearned; etc, etc, etc. It's not as easy as just saying that a DBANK teller could process withdrawals, there's a lot to take into account. The above reasons are not all but an indication of the problems of bringing new tellers online. Trust is a MAJOR factor, not only to the extent of running off with bank funds but also being certain that the bank's internal client account database is secure enough that a teller could not maliciously do any damage. Systems are being put in place and with Shar's critical eye watching over developments, there is no room for complacency or error. On the up side, DBANK does offer substantially higher interest rates than the competition (and even several IPOs), and I would hope that the inconvenience of delayed withdrawals is compensated by this, along with the knowledge that DBANK is implementing systems to ensure its security and efficiency.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.25 13:45:00 - [33] EBANK got brought into this after Shar got upset in this thread when I questioned a few important areas of DBANK that should be looked into. As per normal Shar somehow found a way to make it into his problem when this is way bigger than him, the health of DBANK affects the entire secondary market. I don't regret posting what I did, except that I put it in the wrong thread.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.25 13:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Kitchie Systems are being put in place and with Shar's critical eye watching over developments, there is no room for complacency or error. You work for DBANK?
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.02.25 13:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Kitchie Systems are being put in place and with Shar's critical eye watching over developments, there is no room for complacency or error. You work for DBANK? One of the new staff Linkage but only junior. Nice people though - wish I could find similar employers in RL.....
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.02.25 14:37:00 - [36] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/02/2009 14:37:52 Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Kitchie Systems are being put in place and with Shar's critical eye watching over developments, there is no room for complacency or error. You work for DBANK? Concealed within his fortress, the Lord of Mordor sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth and flesh. You know of what I speak, Ricdic. A Great Eye, lidless, wreathed in flame. The Eye of Shar. But the hearts of Men... are easily corrupted. And Manalapan has a will of its own. He betrayed Shar... to his death. And some things that should not have been forgotten... were lost. History became legend... legend became myth. Joke aside, I hope you know what you're doing Shar and you're not jumping at the opportunity as a means of getting even with Ricdic. Black Sun Empire
Zubenelgenubi Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.25 21:55:00 - [37] Just thought it would be good to post in this thread. Several days, yes. But I have rec'd withdrawals totalling some 3B My confidence has taken a knock but withdrawals are being processed. You Improvise. You Adapt. You overcome! Have a plan, Execute it violently Do it now. ~General Douglas MacArthur
Salpad Caldari Carebears with Attitude	Posted - 2009.02.25 22:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Kitchie Systems are being put in place and with Shar's critical eye watching over developments, there is no room for complacency or error. You work for DBANK? Yup, she does. -- Salpad
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:24:00 - [39] Originally by: Salpad Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Kitchie Systems are being put in place and with Shar's critical eye watching over developments, there is no room for complacency or error. You work for DBANK? Yup, she does. Careful. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Caladain Barton Vengeance Imperium	Posted - 2009.02.26 08:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Salpad Originally by: Ricdic Originally by: Kitchie Systems are being put in place and with Shar's critical eye watching over developments, there is no room for complacency or error. You work for DBANK? Yup, she does. Careful. I'm missing something..it might just be the time of the evening...what are you saying be careful to?
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Caladain Barton Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Salpad Originally by: Ricdic You work for DBANK? Yup, she does. Careful. I'm missing something..it might just be the time of the evening...what are you saying be careful to? Like any good boss, Hexxx has placed cameras in all of EBANK's employees' homes and frankly, he didn't like the look on Ricdic's face when he typed that post. There was a mischievous glint in his eye and if you don't take a hard line against that sort of thing now, who knows where it will end up.
Caladain Barton Vengeance Imperium	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Like any good boss, Hexxx has placed cameras in all of EBANK's employees' homes and frankly, he didn't like the look on Ricdic's face when he typed that post. There was a mischievous glint in his eye and if you don't take a hard line against that sort of thing now, who knows where it will end up.
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.02.26 13:14:00 - [43] So any official report of whats going on with DBANK? Or since people that have been waiting for withdrawls for 3 days+ finally got isk its a dead subject until next week when it happens again? ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:25:00 - [44] Originally by: eVaLF So any official report of whats going on with DBANK? Or since people that have been waiting for withdrawls for 3 days+ finally got isk its a dead subject until next week when it happens again? Correct. I'm not convinced that something bad hasn't happened. Other than Salpad, is it possible that the rest of DBANK crossed the road without looking for oncoming buses? Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.26 17:48:00 - [45] Originally by: eVaLF So any official report of whats going on with DBANK? Or since people that have been waiting for withdrawls for 3 days+ finally got isk its a dead subject until next week when it happens again? This is the official response: Withdrawals have, of course, been caught up and handled. We do not anticipate any further delays like this one happening. Work continues on finishing out our "decentralized tellering system" to ensure that access to funds surpasses even eBanks standard levels. As to actual discussion over issues raised by Ricdic I'm going to answer with the same thoroughness that eBank has always answered such matters: We have a readily available website, we have a readily available forum. Any depositor that has any concerns can, and have, contact at those forums (publicly or privately) and receive the service that any customer deserves. Just as eBank has always said, and set as a standard, banks do not answer to the public at large but to their depositors. Getting into such discussions and debates here is quite simply foolish and counter productive. That's the end of this statement. /thread. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.02.26 19:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: eVaLF So any official report of whats going on with DBANK? Or since people that have been waiting for withdrawls for 3 days+ finally got isk its a dead subject until next week when it happens again? This is the official response: Withdrawals have, of course, been caught up and handled. We do not anticipate any further delays like this one happening. Work continues on finishing out our "decentralized tellering system" to ensure that access to funds surpasses even eBanks standard levels. As to actual discussion over issues raised by Ricdic I'm going to answer with the same thoroughness that eBank has always answered such matters: We have a readily available website, we have a readily available forum. Any depositor that has any concerns can, and have, contact at those forums (publicly or privately) and receive the service that any customer deserves. Just as eBank has always said, and set as a standard, banks do not answer to the public at large but to their depositors. Getting into such discussions and debates here is quite simply foolish and counter productive. That's the end of this statement. /thread. If the first part is an honest answer Great. Maybe by time my bond is up I will trust DBANK with more of my isk. Are you working for DBANK Officially, meaning we can take your word for what is posted above? If so you may want to stop with the sarcastic stuff between you and EBANK its pretty childess. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.26 19:33:00 - [47] Originally by: eVaLF If the first part is an honest answer Great. Maybe by time my bond is up I will trust DBANK with more of my isk. It is true. Originally by: eVaLF Are you working for DBANK Officially, meaning we can take your word for what is posted above? If so you may want to stop with the sarcastic stuff between you and EBANK its pretty childess. Yes I am working for or, more accurately, with dBank. And I've asked permission, and received it, to speak out on this issue. Further, as you all have come to expect, if in the course of my interaction with dBank I find any hanky panky or funny business I'll speak out. I won't do it recklessly though. And yes, you are quite right. The public fueding that sometimes happens between myself and Ric (not eBank mind you) is childish. Shame on me allowing myself to get sucked into old bad behaviors with the same old people. At least I have a personal goal to work towards! 2009 - The year of loving Ric. Even if I have to grind my teeth to dust. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.26 19:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Shar Tegral At least I have a personal goal to work towards! 2009 - The year of loving Ric. Even if I have to grind my teeth to dust.[/justify] 2009 is not the year of the waffle, but instead the year of dental work!
eVaLF Delivery Luck	Posted - 2009.02.26 19:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: eVaLF If the first part is an honest answer Great. Maybe by time my bond is up I will trust DBANK with more of my isk. It is true. Originally by: eVaLF Are you working for DBANK Officially, meaning we can take your word for what is posted above? If so you may want to stop with the sarcastic stuff between you and EBANK its pretty childess. Yes I am working for or, more accurately, with dBank. And I've asked permission, and received it, to speak out on this issue. Further, as you all have come to expect, if in the course of my interaction with dBank I find any hanky panky or funny business I'll speak out. I won't do it recklessly though. And yes, you are quite right. The public fueding that sometimes happens between myself and Ric (not eBank mind you) is childish. Shame on me allowing myself to get sucked into old bad behaviors with the same old people. At least I have a personal goal to work towards! 2009 - The year of loving Ric. Even if I have to grind my teeth to dust. Sounds good, my over all worry is its hard for some to tell when your being semi sarcastic, so when you give offical reports as an auditor people won't know what is true. Good luck and hopefully DBANK can top EBANK. ----- POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.26 20:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Shar Tegral At least I have a personal goal to work towards! 2009 - The year of loving Ric. Even if I have to grind my teeth to dust. Originally by: Kazzac Elentria 2009 is not the year of the waffle, but instead the year of dental work! Damn you, just soaked a keyboard in coffee. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.26 23:35:00 - [51] Edited by: Hexxx on 26/02/2009 23:37:42 Originally by: Shar Tegral Just as eBank has always said, and set as a standard, banks do not answer to the public at large but to their depositors. Getting into such discussions and debates here is quite simply foolish and counter productive. edit: To be perfectly 100% clear, I'm not accusing DBANK of any wrong doing. According to my view of secondary market law, they are well within their rights to communicate when and where they wish. This is just a clarification on EBANK's standard/policy. EBANK and DBANK are privately-run enterprises and no public person has equity within either of them. EBANK's position is that it is not required to publish reports, communications, etc...but it does anyway as a courtesy. EBANK has always answered the public in the public setting (these forums) in addition to it's in-game channel "EBANK", EVE Mail, regular email, instant messenger, and it's own forums. We answer the questions where they are asked and we have a long history of doing so. I reply to this not simply for the sake of contradicting you Shar, but this is a very important point. The Market Discussion forums are for Market Discussions...and the criticism that DBANK doesn't always participate in them has a kernel of truth. The rule is this; private enterprises (which includes EBANK and DBANK) are not beholden to public reporting. However....private enterprises that perform services to the public are generally expected to communicate openly with the public as a courtesy. EBANK's standard has always been open communication and engagement with questions asked in public forums, where ever that may be. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.02.26 23:44:00 - [52] Good communication breeds confidence. Confidence increases investment. When an entity or CEO has really good communication with the public, everyone feels better. It is always perception. my personal example: I travel a lot on business, usually by US Airways (who suck). You turn up at a gate, there is 5 minutes to board time but no plane. Are there ever any announcements? NO! Wouldn't you just like to understand how long the delay will be. I get ****ed having to ask the attendant. Information is king. Good communication is great. Nearly all my bugging of CEO's or prospective CEO's is about communication. IMO the worst part of the "non-scam" secondary market.
Caladain Barton Vengeance Imperium	Posted - 2009.02.26 23:50:00 - [53] Originally by: cosmoray Good communication breeds confidence. ... ... It is always perception. One of the reasons i still have yet to reinvest in DBANK..Jan's report is not posted on their website, and the communication coming from MD has done little to reassure me that placing a chunk of my isk into their system is a safe investment. It's perception.

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