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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.24 14:06:00 -
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Simple question, but I ask cause once upon a time I found myself running them for the sole purpose of paying for bigger and better ships to run them faster in, thus allowing me to get even better ships. It eventually dawned on me that the endless cycle was utterly pointless as it wasn't fun. I know a fair number of players who are still stuck in this cycle. They don't enjoy doing the missions as they have them completely memorized and can do them while sleeping or even afk in some cases. And yet they continue grinding away 3+ hours a day. So I ask two questions, do you actually enjoy doing missions? And if not then why do you keep grinding them (assuming you do).
These two questions are not aimed at those who run missions to fund pvp or other activities in eve. They are meant for those who run missions almost exclusively.
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Gin G
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.24 14:10:00 -
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NO
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General Newbold
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Posted - 2009.02.24 14:18:00 -
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i run missions, i hate them, but to be honest i cant think of a easier way of making isk?
i often look at eve as a very boring game, the missions are all the same - and i really think new ones should be addred frequently, or a easier way for newcomers to make isk (see later)
Eve in my opinion will always get people leaving the game early due to a very very steep curve, not a learning curve, but a earnings curve, I remember when i made my first million, i was impressed and i felt like i had achieved something, but in the long run its nothing. Most people cannot compete with the big boys.
I probabally spend 3 hours a day mission running for isk - and due to the boredom i often lose ships
Whats a good alternative to mission running for income? perhaps exploration - but its a hard route to go down - as training for a assault frig or SB isnt a appealing route for a newbie - who heads for a BS first
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Cade Morrigan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.24 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cade Morrigan on 24/02/2009 14:56:31
I -somewhat- enjoy missions. When my L4 Cerberus gets webbed and the dps starts to pile up on my dual gisti-b setup, it's a bit scary for my wallet and makes me sweat a little.
I've never liked battleships so maybe that's why missions are a bit more tolerable to me... i have to be a little more active in them than my CNR brethren.
As far as your comments on "grind to get ISK to buy a better ship to grind to get ISK to get a better ship... etc" well that's pretty much the nature of a lot of MMOGs. You either grind for experience and skills and cash for new gear, or in EVE's case you grind for more ISK to fly that new Command Ship and mount it with a billion ISK in modules... it's all bling baby, many of us are just collectors of bling.
I certainly have more ships than I need or want to fly, but I love all of my little toys :)
Will I enjoy missions at all any more after I finish my command ship skill tomorrow? Maybe fora fwe days while my toy is still shiny and new. But since the Nighthawk is "L4 easy mode" I'll probably eventually like doing them less :P |
Tatanya Darkdawn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:01:00 -
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EVE is an old school game and propably due to this has old school style missions. Actually they remind me of missions in Anarchy Online: boring grind. I personally think that it's not enough in modern standards. In new mmo's the missions get more and more interesting and diverse. I heard that the new WoW expansion is absolutely wonderfull because there is no feeling of grind. I personally liked the storyline in Guild Wars (all expansions) that accompanied you from lvl 1 to lvl 20 (max). No feeling of grind at all. EVE = grind, big time, and the sad thing is that you have to grind a long time before you have the skills or ISK to step to the next level that is PvP.
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Junko Togawa
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:01:00 -
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Yes, actually, I do enjoy them. I find it much more entertaining than doing mining or trading, and I have no real interest in PvP. My plan is to climb my way up the level ladder as I work at getting various corp standings, save up ISK for ships I plan to fly, then look for some other ship to train for and try. Perhaps one day it'll fund my way into PvP, but not for the foreseeable future.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ghengis Tia on 24/02/2009 15:14:35
Running missions for Isk comprises a number of activities:
1.Running the mission itself
2.salvaging and looting the wrecks
3.Categorizing and storing salvage/loot
4.Reprocessing and/or
5.Bringing to market for resale
6.Monitoring sell orders
This all involves a significant amount of travel and time over and above the mission and time bonus rewards. Arguably taking much longer than running the mission to begin with.
Its one way of earning a living in Eve, and the the most "fun" for the new player. Low risk and reasonable rewards.
Ratting is similar to missions, though solely for bounties, salvage, and loot. No gaining corporating standing or mission reward/time bonuses.
Mining isn't really lucrative until you get to the Retriever or Hulk stage.
I would say that after awhile, Isk generated from missions should be invested in trade, with the goal of obtaining a nice wallet balance. When this is achieved, running missions becomes an option, not a necessity.
I guess running missions is a "job" that gets you to where you want to go. Some people like their jobs, a lot of people tolerate them for the benefits they accrue, some hate them but cannot (or will not) think a way out of the trap they've put themselves in.
I've just been grinding missions for an alt to get corporate standing, and it certainly seems a lot more boring and tedious than when I first started my main character training skills and being a wide-eyed Eve noob.
I don't think Eve was designed for mission-running to be an end in itself, with infinite variations and endless challenges. Running missions is a means to an end, that is, a means to achieve a goal one sets for oneself.
I guess those players who don't enjoy grinding missions and still do it anyway do it for one reason only: they like to spend the Isk they earn from doing it.
TL,DR version: As the above player noted: for the occasional thrill and the bling!
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.24 16:19:00 -
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Level 4s... no. It's satisfying to watch the ISK pile up, but solo, not really enjoyable. Fleet ops are more fun just because you're doing something with people obviously, yet they're a bit pointless. So why do I keep doing them? because I'm training skills I need to do other stuff ( like pvp ), but I've got glaring holes in my skillset that need plugging first, so I might as well gather a pile of cash to get me going once I do have the right skills. "Fly a tackler" you might say, well that's tbh about as interesting as mission running. I can mine, but that's even more boring than missions, and I've made more ISK trading overall but that's quite fantastically boring to do well. Manufacturing I'd give a go but I don't quite understand it all yet.
Sometimes I go do l1s for some new guy who's got over his head, and ofc l2s for new corps, and those I do actually enjoy if I dig out a frigate. I think I'd probably enjoy L4s if I had a HAC, but some time away for that.
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Dracthera
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Posted - 2009.02.24 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dracthera on 24/02/2009 16:37:46
Edited by: Dracthera on 24/02/2009 16:37:26
After a year of running L4's exclusively, I guess I'm still in the mindset of finding ways to squeeze more ISK/hour out of them, and that keeps me sane I suppose. Sometimes I also make up little story lines in my head as to what's happening in the mission, and that helps as well. I try to break up the monotony by sometimes bringing in my second account to loot/salvage, or to add to my DPS. Sometimes I take a break from missions and do some exploration, or just run around the 'verse just to look around. Other times I simply don't play for a few days and I come back all anxious to run missions again. Every time I finish training for a skill, or I save up enough money for an expensive mod that helps me improve my mission-running I can't wait to try it out - kinda like opening a birthday present.
At this point I don't really need to run missions. I have enough cash to buy the ships and mods I want once I finish training for them, so I'm just passing the time waiting on skills. As to why I still do it, partly it's because I can do it solo and somewhat AFK while I work, partly because it's such a great way to earn ISK while I train my skills so I can run some PvP ops in the future. I suppose at some point I'll get bored with running missions all the time, but with the coming of the epic mission arcs I doubt it. It's a good enough escape from RL that it'll keep my interest for a long time to come I suspect. It's a far better grind than anything I did in WoW, and most other games involve a grind of some sort.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:16:00 -
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actually i do find missions a pleasant way to pass the time. generates some isk and lets me destress after work.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Gin G
NO
This, with the small exception of blockade at times.
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar
actually i do find missions a pleasant way to pass the time. generates some isk and lets me destress after work.
I'm with you here. I enjoy them. I play a game to just wind down and watch neat things go boom if you catch my drift. I'm just not, at the moment, playing Eve to get more deeply involved in the economy, trade, or production. In a while I probably will because it is all interesting, but for now neat explosions are plenty to keep my interest.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.02.24 20:40:00 -
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Not really. I do it for the isk ;) That out of the way I do not hate them either. Better than mining when at keyboard and I don't like to run around thru 0.0 belts either looking for something worthy of killing and spending most of my time in warp between belts.
And I do it almost constantly as 'fun' part of game for me is somewhat ... costly.
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V05
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:39:00 -
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I run missions, Missions give great isk.
I then do PVP and low-sec hunting, PVP give great -isk.
They balance out. ^^
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Ahkali Ahline
Minmatar
Fire Wings of Destiny
Brotherhood of Nod.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:37:00 -
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I hate missions now, totally predictable thanks to the mission guides. Last time I was grinding missions I was in it for the +5 implants, had enough of that to last for awhile.
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BilliousBill
Gallente
ANZAC Knights
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:41:00 -
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I like running missions, gives me something to do some days ... and its always nice to see Agents that love you give you a couple mil ISK and alots of LP just for doing something simple.
Or when we run L5's always great to see your LP jump by 60k at once and then spend the next 35minutes looting/salvaging. if you want to make isk manufacturing then missions are kind of essential as the parts for rigs come from salvage. And the drone missions usually have a decent amount of refinables to refine and use for building mods or shipos or even just selling.
They can be quick and easy or long and pointless, just depends on your mission and how much time you have rather then mining for days on end.
Just my 2ISK
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adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Not really. I do it for the isk ;) That out of the way I do not hate them either. Better than mining when at keyboard and I don't like to run around thru 0.0 belts either looking for something worthy of killing and spending most of my time in warp between belts.
And I do it almost constantly as 'fun' part of game for me is somewhat ... costly.
this pretty much
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Kaltar Bok
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Posted - 2009.02.25 02:54:00 -
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Good question actually. I kindof enjoy them. I get horribly bored of them regularly, don`t do them for ages, then I`m back to them again. They`re a no-brainer relaxing thing to do. Make a bit of isk, blow things up. I really don`t get how people can grind them for hours everyday. I like making things go bang as much as the next man but really? Hour after hour of it would make me cry.
I think I spend most of my time in Eve chatting to people. Personally I think it`s a glorified chat-room with a built-in something to talk about.
I`ve never been one for getting that good at them either. A command ship or marauder with T2 stuff seems to work fine. Why go sticking all that faction stuff on it? I must be missing the point... 
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Dukanar
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Posted - 2009.02.25 03:15:00 -
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I find the missions where my tank is failing, and I'm fighting against time to pop those scrambling ships before I pop, incredibly fun. I love them, some of the better moments in EVE (although they do pale to some pvp) have been running missions when out gunned, or when my friend and I first starting running level 4s together in BSs, when we only had 5million SP combined. It was tough, the new missions were exciting and it generally felt like you were exploring in some of the missions the first time.
However, now that I can partially afk all the easy missions I find it rather boring and just do it to kill time or make isk if needed. I wish level 5s weren't so punishing as I would like to be able to try some new harder missions without having to wait for someone to get a logistics ship, or for my skills to get extremely good before attempting harder missions.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.25 04:23:00 -
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I do like them somewhat. (I would hope so as well that is what I have been doing most of the time recently) maybe it has become a habit?
If I kept to t1 battleships (w00t insurance) I could probably pvp for like a year with by my current on hand assets + wallet. note that my pvp mantra is "If it is a fair fight you are doing it wrong."
wish I could run 2 clients and fraps smoothly. probably would pvp 90% of the time then 
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Regnor d'Vex
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Posted - 2009.02.25 06:59:00 -
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Sure, I enjoy running missions, my wife and I play together every night and we love doing several at a time. But there's no question about it, the mission component of this game is weak and has aged poorly. The trend in modern MMOs is toward quest-driven play and while EVE is a more sandboxy type of game, it remains true that quest-driven play is more fun and gives greater purpose to the endless slaughter, making it less of a grind and more of an adventure. EVE has great subsystems, but desperately needs more diverse content. Missions need a major overhaul to make them more unique, more engaging, more interesting. Anyone who's ever played City of Heroes will know what I mean when I say that if I saw one more warehous mission I was ready to puke. I'm still new enough to EVE that I'm not ready to puke, but I can forsee it happening.
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Dr Karsun
Gallente
Empire News
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Posted - 2009.02.25 07:25:00 -
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Well, I enjoy mission running if it's done with someone. Especially more people. Like 4 people - running it 8x faster and chatting on voice in that time. But it's rather the chat I enjoy later I don't know what missions have I been running...
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.25 07:54:00 -
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Yes, I really enjoy doing missions.
I've been running those for almost four years now, tried a bit of PvP (more boring than watching paint dry), a bit of trading (nice additionnal income), a bit of manufacturing (still do, to build my ammo and some things to sell), but I still come back to my beloved missions.
Sure they can be easy, especially in a BS with top-of-the-line skills and fittings, but "downgrading" the ships can give you some thrills (try a L2 mission in a Condor, it's hair-rising to see your shield go down to 25% in a single blow), but like a couple of others wrote before me, the really big plus point, for me, is this : it's relaxing ... after a hard day at work, I don't have the mental capacity for something complex, a couple of missions with pretty explosions and a bit of ISK is all I need.
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.25 08:42:00 -
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Actually, YES.
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Xi Xing
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.25 11:06:00 -
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It's always surprised me a bit that there's no "maximum number of ships" that can enter a mission.
Spamming a mission with 6+ BS's is fun because of the chat in Fleet, but really it's just watching NPCs die while you slowboat between acceleration gates.
More fun than soloing them, though... that's just too damn slow for my liking.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.25 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cade Morrigan
I -somewhat- enjoy missions. When my L4 Cerberus gets webbed and the dps starts to pile up on my dual gisti-b setup, it's a bit scary for my wallet and makes me sweat a little.
I've never liked battleships so maybe that's why missions are a bit more tolerable to me... i have to be a little more active in them than my CNR brethren.
This very much describes my situation as well. I like doing L4s because I do them in (supposedly) suboptimal ships and fits, rather than focus on mission speed and efficiency. This means I actually have to play the game, rather than work a clock.
Granted, the ships I fly (Myrm, Ishtar and Deimos) are all capable of horribly overtanking any L4 I encounter, so the risk isn't actually there, but it's still fun to blast along and do short-range/high-speed combat with these giant blobs of battleships where a single webbing frig can ruin your day… (or well, make things start to hit you at least, at which point you need to turn on your reppers).
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Posted - 2009.02.25 11:56:00 -
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As some of the other guys already noted, it's very relaxing. Running missions solo or together, chatting anyway in many channels is just nice.
Pvp is awesome aswell, but it's less relaxing because you got to pay attention all the time and you're almost going crazy when this typhoon is going in to hull at the time you're at half, but still win.
Missions is my main source of income, and although it can be slow and boring sometimes, I make enough isk to lose t1 battleships in pvp..
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.02.25 12:32:00 -
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Relaxing is never a response I expected from this. I play games like this for excitement, solitaire and music is for relaxing to me. To each their own but that response surprised me.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.25 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar
Relaxing is never a response I expected from this. I play games like this for excitement, solitaire and music is for relaxing to me. To each their own but that response surprised me.
To each his own, I guess ... I'm the polar opposite, there's already too much excitement in my Real Life, I play various games to relax and forget about all the stresses of my days ...
Still, the great thing about eVe is that both play styles are (almost) equally viable ... yes, I make less ISK by running missions in high sec than by mining/ratting/PvPing in lowsec/nullsec, but the important thing is to have fun ...
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Kexeo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.25 12:47:00 -
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CCP need to seriously up the risk and reward part of missions, and perhaps throw in a few fleet agents that give exclusively fleet missions as well. Seeing how popular mission running is, I just can't believe this area of the game is so underdeveloped.
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