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King Rothgar Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.24 14:06:00 - [1] Simple question, but I ask cause once upon a time I found myself running them for the sole purpose of paying for bigger and better ships to run them faster in, thus allowing me to get even better ships. It eventually dawned on me that the endless cycle was utterly pointless as it wasn't fun. I know a fair number of players who are still stuck in this cycle. They don't enjoy doing the missions as they have them completely memorized and can do them while sleeping or even afk in some cases. And yet they continue grinding away 3+ hours a day. So I ask two questions, do you actually enjoy doing missions? And if not then why do you keep grinding them (assuming you do). These two questions are not aimed at those who run missions to fund pvp or other activities in eve. They are meant for those who run missions almost exclusively.
Gin G Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.02.24 14:10:00 - [2] NO
General Newbold	Posted - 2009.02.24 14:18:00 - [3] i run missions, i hate them, but to be honest i cant think of a easier way of making isk? i often look at eve as a very boring game, the missions are all the same - and i really think new ones should be addred frequently, or a easier way for newcomers to make isk (see later) Eve in my opinion will always get people leaving the game early due to a very very steep curve, not a learning curve, but a earnings curve, I remember when i made my first million, i was impressed and i felt like i had achieved something, but in the long run its nothing. Most people cannot compete with the big boys. I probabally spend 3 hours a day mission running for isk - and due to the boredom i often lose ships Whats a good alternative to mission running for income? perhaps exploration - but its a hard route to go down - as training for a assault frig or SB isnt a appealing route for a newbie - who heads for a BS first
Cade Morrigan Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.24 14:56:00 - [4] Edited by: Cade Morrigan on 24/02/2009 14:56:31 I -somewhat- enjoy missions. When my L4 Cerberus gets webbed and the dps starts to pile up on my dual gisti-b setup, it's a bit scary for my wallet and makes me sweat a little. I've never liked battleships so maybe that's why missions are a bit more tolerable to me... i have to be a little more active in them than my CNR brethren. As far as your comments on "grind to get ISK to buy a better ship to grind to get ISK to get a better ship... etc" well that's pretty much the nature of a lot of MMOGs. You either grind for experience and skills and cash for new gear, or in EVE's case you grind for more ISK to fly that new Command Ship and mount it with a billion ISK in modules... it's all bling baby, many of us are just collectors of bling. I certainly have more ships than I need or want to fly, but I love all of my little toys :) Will I enjoy missions at all any more after I finish my command ship skill tomorrow? Maybe fora fwe days while my toy is still shiny and new. But since the Nighthawk is "L4 easy mode" I'll probably eventually like doing them less :P
Tatanya Darkdawn Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.24 15:01:00 - [5] EVE is an old school game and propably due to this has old school style missions. Actually they remind me of missions in Anarchy Online: boring grind. I personally think that it's not enough in modern standards. In new mmo's the missions get more and more interesting and diverse. I heard that the new WoW expansion is absolutely wonderfull because there is no feeling of grind. I personally liked the storyline in Guild Wars (all expansions) that accompanied you from lvl 1 to lvl 20 (max). No feeling of grind at all. EVE = grind, big time, and the sad thing is that you have to grind a long time before you have the skills or ISK to step to the next level that is PvP.
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.02.24 15:01:00 - [6] Yes, actually, I do enjoy them. I find it much more entertaining than doing mining or trading, and I have no real interest in PvP. My plan is to climb my way up the level ladder as I work at getting various corp standings, save up ISK for ships I plan to fly, then look for some other ship to train for and try. Perhaps one day it'll fund my way into PvP, but not for the foreseeable future.
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2009.02.24 15:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Ghengis Tia on 24/02/2009 15:14:35 Running missions for Isk comprises a number of activities: 1.Running the mission itself 2.salvaging and looting the wrecks 3.Categorizing and storing salvage/loot 4.Reprocessing and/or 5.Bringing to market for resale 6.Monitoring sell orders This all involves a significant amount of travel and time over and above the mission and time bonus rewards. Arguably taking much longer than running the mission to begin with. Its one way of earning a living in Eve, and the the most "fun" for the new player. Low risk and reasonable rewards. Ratting is similar to missions, though solely for bounties, salvage, and loot. No gaining corporating standing or mission reward/time bonuses. Mining isn't really lucrative until you get to the Retriever or Hulk stage. I would say that after awhile, Isk generated from missions should be invested in trade, with the goal of obtaining a nice wallet balance. When this is achieved, running missions becomes an option, not a necessity. I guess running missions is a "job" that gets you to where you want to go. Some people like their jobs, a lot of people tolerate them for the benefits they accrue, some hate them but cannot (or will not) think a way out of the trap they've put themselves in. I've just been grinding missions for an alt to get corporate standing, and it certainly seems a lot more boring and tedious than when I first started my main character training skills and being a wide-eyed Eve noob. I don't think Eve was designed for mission-running to be an end in itself, with infinite variations and endless challenges. Running missions is a means to an end, that is, a means to achieve a goal one sets for oneself. I guess those players who don't enjoy grinding missions and still do it anyway do it for one reason only: they like to spend the Isk they earn from doing it. TL,DR version: As the above player noted: for the occasional thrill and the bling!
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.24 16:19:00 - [8] Level 4s... no. It's satisfying to watch the ISK pile up, but solo, not really enjoyable. Fleet ops are more fun just because you're doing something with people obviously, yet they're a bit pointless. So why do I keep doing them? because I'm training skills I need to do other stuff ( like pvp ), but I've got glaring holes in my skillset that need plugging first, so I might as well gather a pile of cash to get me going once I do have the right skills. "Fly a tackler" you might say, well that's tbh about as interesting as mission running. I can mine, but that's even more boring than missions, and I've made more ISK trading overall but that's quite fantastically boring to do well. Manufacturing I'd give a go but I don't quite understand it all yet. Sometimes I go do l1s for some new guy who's got over his head, and ofc l2s for new corps, and those I do actually enjoy if I dig out a frigate. I think I'd probably enjoy L4s if I had a HAC, but some time away for that.
Dracthera	Posted - 2009.02.24 16:35:00 - [9] Edited by: Dracthera on 24/02/2009 16:37:46 Edited by: Dracthera on 24/02/2009 16:37:26 After a year of running L4's exclusively, I guess I'm still in the mindset of finding ways to squeeze more ISK/hour out of them, and that keeps me sane I suppose. Sometimes I also make up little story lines in my head as to what's happening in the mission, and that helps as well. I try to break up the monotony by sometimes bringing in my second account to loot/salvage, or to add to my DPS. Sometimes I take a break from missions and do some exploration, or just run around the 'verse just to look around. Other times I simply don't play for a few days and I come back all anxious to run missions again. Every time I finish training for a skill, or I save up enough money for an expensive mod that helps me improve my mission-running I can't wait to try it out - kinda like opening a birthday present. At this point I don't really need to run missions. I have enough cash to buy the ships and mods I want once I finish training for them, so I'm just passing the time waiting on skills. As to why I still do it, partly it's because I can do it solo and somewhat AFK while I work, partly because it's such a great way to earn ISK while I train my skills so I can run some PvP ops in the future. I suppose at some point I'll get bored with running missions all the time, but with the coming of the epic mission arcs I doubt it. It's a good enough escape from RL that it'll keep my interest for a long time to come I suspect. It's a far better grind than anything I did in WoW, and most other games involve a grind of some sort.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:16:00 - [10] actually i do find missions a pleasant way to pass the time. generates some isk and lets me destress after work.
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Gin G NO This, with the small exception of blockade at times.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Ehranavaar actually i do find missions a pleasant way to pass the time. generates some isk and lets me destress after work. I'm with you here. I enjoy them. I play a game to just wind down and watch neat things go boom if you catch my drift. I'm just not, at the moment, playing Eve to get more deeply involved in the economy, trade, or production. In a while I probably will because it is all interesting, but for now neat explosions are plenty to keep my interest.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.02.24 20:40:00 - [13] Not really. I do it for the isk ;) That out of the way I do not hate them either. Better than mining when at keyboard and I don't like to run around thru 0.0 belts either looking for something worthy of killing and spending most of my time in warp between belts. And I do it almost constantly as 'fun' part of game for me is somewhat ... costly.
V05	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:39:00 - [14] I run missions, Missions give great isk. I then do PVP and low-sec hunting, PVP give great -isk. They balance out. ^^
Ahkali Ahline Minmatar Fire Wings of Destiny Brotherhood of Nod.	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:37:00 - [15] I hate missions now, totally predictable thanks to the mission guides. Last time I was grinding missions I was in it for the +5 implants, had enough of that to last for awhile.
BilliousBill Gallente ANZAC Knights	Posted - 2009.02.25 00:41:00 - [16] I like running missions, gives me something to do some days ... and its always nice to see Agents that love you give you a couple mil ISK and alots of LP just for doing something simple. Or when we run L5's always great to see your LP jump by 60k at once and then spend the next 35minutes looting/salvaging. if you want to make isk manufacturing then missions are kind of essential as the parts for rigs come from salvage. And the drone missions usually have a decent amount of refinables to refine and use for building mods or shipos or even just selling. They can be quick and easy or long and pointless, just depends on your mission and how much time you have rather then mining for days on end. Just my 2ISK
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.02.25 01:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Carniflex Not really. I do it for the isk ;) That out of the way I do not hate them either. Better than mining when at keyboard and I don't like to run around thru 0.0 belts either looking for something worthy of killing and spending most of my time in warp between belts. And I do it almost constantly as 'fun' part of game for me is somewhat ... costly. this pretty much -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Kaltar Bok	Posted - 2009.02.25 02:54:00 - [18] Good question actually. I kindof enjoy them. I get horribly bored of them regularly, don`t do them for ages, then I`m back to them again. They`re a no-brainer relaxing thing to do. Make a bit of isk, blow things up. I really don`t get how people can grind them for hours everyday. I like making things go bang as much as the next man but really? Hour after hour of it would make me cry. I think I spend most of my time in Eve chatting to people. Personally I think it`s a glorified chat-room with a built-in something to talk about. I`ve never been one for getting that good at them either. A command ship or marauder with T2 stuff seems to work fine. Why go sticking all that faction stuff on it? I must be missing the point...
Dukanar	Posted - 2009.02.25 03:15:00 - [19] I find the missions where my tank is failing, and I'm fighting against time to pop those scrambling ships before I pop, incredibly fun. I love them, some of the better moments in EVE (although they do pale to some pvp) have been running missions when out gunned, or when my friend and I first starting running level 4s together in BSs, when we only had 5million SP combined. It was tough, the new missions were exciting and it generally felt like you were exploring in some of the missions the first time. However, now that I can partially afk all the easy missions I find it rather boring and just do it to kill time or make isk if needed. I wish level 5s weren't so punishing as I would like to be able to try some new harder missions without having to wait for someone to get a logistics ship, or for my skills to get extremely good before attempting harder missions.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.25 04:23:00 - [20] I do like them somewhat. (I would hope so as well that is what I have been doing most of the time recently) maybe it has become a habit? If I kept to t1 battleships (w00t insurance) I could probably pvp for like a year with by my current on hand assets + wallet. note that my pvp mantra is "If it is a fair fight you are doing it wrong." wish I could run 2 clients and fraps smoothly. probably would pvp 90% of the time then
Regnor d'Vex	Posted - 2009.02.25 06:59:00 - [21] Sure, I enjoy running missions, my wife and I play together every night and we love doing several at a time. But there's no question about it, the mission component of this game is weak and has aged poorly. The trend in modern MMOs is toward quest-driven play and while EVE is a more sandboxy type of game, it remains true that quest-driven play is more fun and gives greater purpose to the endless slaughter, making it less of a grind and more of an adventure. EVE has great subsystems, but desperately needs more diverse content. Missions need a major overhaul to make them more unique, more engaging, more interesting. Anyone who's ever played City of Heroes will know what I mean when I say that if I saw one more warehous mission I was ready to puke. I'm still new enough to EVE that I'm not ready to puke, but I can forsee it happening.
Dr Karsun Gallente Empire News	Posted - 2009.02.25 07:25:00 - [22] Well, I enjoy mission running if it's done with someone. Especially more people. Like 4 people - running it 8x faster and chatting on voice in that time. But it's rather the chat I enjoy later I don't know what missions have I been running... ------------------------ My Deviantart profile
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.25 07:54:00 - [23] Yes, I really enjoy doing missions. I've been running those for almost four years now, tried a bit of PvP (more boring than watching paint dry), a bit of trading (nice additionnal income), a bit of manufacturing (still do, to build my ammo and some things to sell), but I still come back to my beloved missions. Sure they can be easy, especially in a BS with top-of-the-line skills and fittings, but "downgrading" the ships can give you some thrills (try a L2 mission in a Condor, it's hair-rising to see your shield go down to 25% in a single blow), but like a couple of others wrote before me, the really big plus point, for me, is this : it's relaxing ... after a hard day at work, I don't have the mental capacity for something complex, a couple of missions with pretty explosions and a bit of ISK is all I need. <~ sig starts here My Skills
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.25 08:42:00 - [24] Actually, YES.
Xi Xing Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.25 11:06:00 - [25] It's always surprised me a bit that there's no "maximum number of ships" that can enter a mission. Spamming a mission with 6+ BS's is fun because of the chat in Fleet, but really it's just watching NPCs die while you slowboat between acceleration gates. More fun than soloing them, though... that's just too damn slow for my liking.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.25 11:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Cade Morrigan I -somewhat- enjoy missions. When my L4 Cerberus gets webbed and the dps starts to pile up on my dual gisti-b setup, it's a bit scary for my wallet and makes me sweat a little. I've never liked battleships so maybe that's why missions are a bit more tolerable to me... i have to be a little more active in them than my CNR brethren. This very much describes my situation as well. I like doing L4s because I do them in (supposedly) suboptimal ships and fits, rather than focus on mission speed and efficiency. This means I actually have to play the game, rather than work a clock. Granted, the ships I fly (Myrm, Ishtar and Deimos) are all capable of horribly overtanking any L4 I encounter, so the risk isn't actually there, but it's still fun to blast along and do short-range/high-speed combat with these giant blobs of battleships where a single webbing frig can ruin your day… (or well, make things start to hit you at least, at which point you need to turn on your reppers). GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=GÇª you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki
314159265	Posted - 2009.02.25 11:56:00 - [27] As some of the other guys already noted, it's very relaxing. Running missions solo or together, chatting anyway in many channels is just nice. Pvp is awesome aswell, but it's less relaxing because you got to pay attention all the time and you're almost going crazy when this typhoon is going in to hull at the time you're at half, but still win. Missions is my main source of income, and although it can be slow and boring sometimes, I make enough isk to lose t1 battleships in pvp..
King Rothgar Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:32:00 - [28] Relaxing is never a response I expected from this. I play games like this for excitement, solitaire and music is for relaxing to me. To each their own but that response surprised me.
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:45:00 - [29] Originally by: King Rothgar Relaxing is never a response I expected from this. I play games like this for excitement, solitaire and music is for relaxing to me. To each their own but that response surprised me. To each his own, I guess ... I'm the polar opposite, there's already too much excitement in my Real Life, I play various games to relax and forget about all the stresses of my days ... Still, the great thing about eVe is that both play styles are (almost) equally viable ... yes, I make less ISK by running missions in high sec than by mining/ratting/PvPing in lowsec/nullsec, but the important thing is to have fun ... <~ sig starts here My Skills
Kexeo Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:47:00 - [30] CCP need to seriously up the risk and reward part of missions, and perhaps throw in a few fleet agents that give exclusively fleet missions as well. Seeing how popular mission running is, I just can't believe this area of the game is so underdeveloped.
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.25 13:15:00 - [31] In before Tchell! "- and due to the boredom I often lose ships" QFT "Whats a good alternative to mission running for income?" Ninja'ing. Find other peoples missions (OPMs) and take all the stuffs. Mission rewards are pocket change compaired to the salvages and loots. In the time it takes you to complete a mission I can find an OPM, loot and salvage it and start looking for a new one.
Kethot Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.25 15:26:00 - [32] No. Nobody enjoys flying missions. It's the most dull aspect of the game and I frankly don't understand people that run them almost exclusively. Missions need a lot more variety to be considered fun. 1) A lot higher risk/reward ratio. 2) A lot more variety in kill mission types. Variety in almost every aspect to be precise. - Variety in mission objectives. - Variety in tactics used to be able to complete the mission. - Variety in setups/ships used by the players in order to be more or less successful. - Variety in NPC AI which would make missions less predictable. - Variety in mission types that would create better and more realistic atmosphere that would involve friendly NPC fleets of the faction you are working for which would in turn make missions much more diverse and add much more fluff. You get the point anyway... There is no fun in grind.
Samulus	Posted - 2009.02.25 15:27:00 - [33] I do run missions but hate that some missions are just not worth running. I wish empire would have more and "better" lvl 4 quality 18 and 20 missions, and even some lvl 5s (in empire I mean).
Ana Vyr DB - LJ Industries	Posted - 2009.02.25 17:51:00 - [34] Originally by: King Rothgar Relaxing is never a response I expected from this. I play games like this for excitement, solitaire and music is for relaxing to me. To each their own but that response surprised me. Missions ARE the solitaire in EVE. Mining too for that matter. I enjoy both.
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.25 18:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Ana Vyr Missions ARE the solitaire in EVE. Mining too for that matter. I enjoy both. QFT Me too Mind if I sig that ? <~ sig starts here My Skills
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.02.25 18:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Kethot No. Nobody enjoys flying missions. It's the most dull aspect of the game and I frankly don't understand people that run them almost exclusively. Oh wait. Maybe I don't enjoy them. I could have sworn I did, but he said I don't.
Leandro Salazar Better Dead Then Smeg	Posted - 2009.02.25 19:11:00 - [37] Back when I was still busy maxing out my ships, I actually DID enjoy missions. Somehow it was fun to me to see new ships/mods work better than before and to run them ever faster. Since I have reached the top that is possible with reasonable money, it has diminished somewhat, but I still enjoy the occasional cruise in a really well fitted ship that earns me money, as opposed to the PvP where I fly ships fitted as cheap as I can get away with and normally only lose money as I don't enjoy frigs and thus get little loot lol... For me it is most definitely the least unattractive method of making money. I do realize you can make a lot more trading and I do this on occasion/opportunities, but I find it very boring. And I wouldn't even touch a mining laser with a stick. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
Knight Hippaforalkus Gallente Cut Throats And Wise Guys	Posted - 2009.02.25 21:49:00 - [38] I do like running missions, at the moment it is the thing I do in Eve. I also tend not to be too bothered by the rejecting this and accepting that approach, I do whatever missions purely because it means variety. Will get some that are extremely easy and some which push me that bit harder. I mean no offence by this but I really don't understand why some people complain about lack of variety then admit they only accept certain missions and reject others. Now while I know accepting all of these won't give an unlimited supply of variety but it makes that bit of a difference, also I know that not all complainers go on about rejecting and vice versa. At the moment I am working on improving several skills/ships/fittings etc and yes I do have plans to train up PVP skills as well, heck I even have a set of Miner IIs sitting in a station somewhere and half way to a retriever (although I still can't quite remember why). I play Eve to have fun, if that means doing missions people claim to be bad risk-reward ratio then so be it, if I lose a ship then I lose a ship. I will learn from it and move on. As for the endless cycle, I am aiming for a Maurader, and yes when I get there I may or may not have reached the limit for missioning, but so what? When I get to that point I will train to have it running the best that I can and if I decide it's good enough at any point (or just get bored improving it) I will go the pvp route and train that way and always have my shiny mission ship sitting by for the occasional days I feel like it. In general, missions are something to do, just like pvp, mining, trading, manufacturing, whatever-else-ing. People do what they want and usually enjoy, again no offence meant but if someone is missioning and can't stand it, go do something else, there is plenty to choose from. K.H.
Bo'Tox Amarr Arkor Inc	Posted - 2009.02.26 00:23:00 - [39] I enjoy missions as I enjoy trying to improve my skills to see how much better I can fit my ships and how much faster I can grind them. The ISK from rewards, loot and salvage is good to help fund my expeditions too. Still working on trying to get BC skills (ie T2 lasers, and Laser skills and drone skills for the Harb), so I'm pushing onwards.... Althought Mining for me is the fastest way top make money buts thats only a semi AFK task so I usually only do that when I have a good episode of Law and Order, SVU, CSI, (or my Personal favourite NCIS) or some such on TV!
AFTERMARKET	Posted - 2009.02.26 05:11:00 - [40] I enjoy them, but that might be because they are the only thing, besides mining which i hate, that i can do while i do homework. Its like making Isk without playing. Then when i finish my homework i go waste the Isk on fun stuff like PVP.
AmmoniaisNH3	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:16:00 - [41] i use a single rep domi for most missions, and sometimes a mag stab armor goes below 20% and i get a little sweaty but then dps kills off most rats and armor picks up quickly then it gets repetitive then i go pewpew
Woogz	Posted - 2009.02.26 10:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Woogz on 26/02/2009 10:09:09 Originally by: Dotard "Whats a good alternative to mission running for income?" Ninja'ing. Find other peoples missions (OPMs) and take all the stuffs. Mission rewards are pocket change compaired to the salvages and loots. In the time it takes you to complete a mission I can find an OPM, loot and salvage it and start looking for a new one. Ill agree with this, me and my cousin did this for a few weeks.... was good fun :)he also let me salvage his lvl 4 missions in my puny little cruiser.... took me like 4/5 runs in my catalyst looting and salvaging but he stopped letting me once he realised i was making between 25 and 40 mil per one of his missions just looting and salvaging :) On the whole mission front, i quite enjoy running missions, i dont get to actually play very often so its nice to see the weeks worth of skills ive trained have had some difference in the missions.... the isk isnt that great for them at the moment (only running level 2s and 3s) but i find the difficulty of them ranges drastically.. ive had lvl 3s that take me seconds to complete and i never struggle with and give me 200k + 250k reward and then last night i had a lvl 2 that gave me 320k and 350k bonus.... and i just could not do it, i only fly a T1 brutix with T2 repairers but i couldnt even get within range to shoot a enemy in that mission before i was half way through my armor..... So yeah, i enjoy missions :) but then ive only been playing for 2 months
Oscon Ghil	Posted - 2009.02.26 11:27:00 - [43] Nice thread. I wish CCP would read this and maybe respond with possible plans for the future. I enjoy running missions myself, using a big selection of ships and setups for variation. But as some in this thread have mentioned - the mission system is very outdated. I've been reading about the Epic missions arcs coming up in the Apocrypha patch, but was disappointed to read that you can only repeat an epic once every three months. I was kinda hoping it was something we could do on a daily or weekly basis, depending on how large they will be. They should use the new mission-builder system to create a whole lot of brand new missions aswell, especially in the mining, manufacturing and courier divisions. And how about invention and exploration missions, where what you make/find is part of the reward you get. I'd love to see more complex non-kill missions.
Yoshito Kae'un	Posted - 2009.02.26 11:42:00 - [44] Originally by: V05 I run missions, Missions give great isk. I then do PVP and low-sec hunting, PVP give great Risk. They balance out. ^^ Fixed!
Coronae Borealis	Posted - 2009.02.26 11:59:00 - [45] It depends. Mostly if you are casual player, you might find missioning really fun and intresting. But if you are hardcore pvp'er.. You hate them. You hate ratting. You hate mining. You just want to undock your ship and go pew pew. Of course, if you can fly Golem... The missions are just so easy and the ISK flow so nice... How wouldn't enjoy of that?
Cu3ball Minmatar Ikarus Technologies	Posted - 2009.02.26 12:50:00 - [46] Edited by: Cu3ball on 26/02/2009 12:52:18 Edited by: Cu3ball on 26/02/2009 12:50:51 I enjoy running missions, but I do it a little different than most. I have 2 ways of running them. First is to make isk's. I use a CNR or Drake, depending on the mission, then use a BC to come back salvage the loot. Fast way to make isk and it is not to boring if you do not do it for hours. Secound is to run them in an AF. I use either a Wolf, Iskhur or Harpy. This is alot more fun, because I have to actually pay attention to what I am doing. It takes longer but is not mind numbly boring. You just have to make sure you pop the Web-Frig's first, otherwise you pop very quickly . The fact that I lose one every now and then keeps the missions from being boring. Sometimes I need to come back in my CNR to kill the final bad guy because I dont have the DPS to do it in my AF but not very often. And sometimes just for fun, I will run thru them and kill all the frigate and cruisers with my AF, then come back with my CNR for the big guys. I think the trick is to not grind. The last time I checked, this was a game, not a job. If you dont enjoy doing something, find another way of doing it so that it is more fun, or do something else. Just my 2 isk's worth, hope it helps. Fly safe or hit hard
Wicked Spider	Posted - 2009.02.26 13:09:00 - [47] i like them because they fit my playing style i have limited time and im a solo player so thats my main source of income now i can even do them afk which leaves me time to work :P
Ocip Caldari Extreme Solutions Frontal Impact	Posted - 2009.02.26 13:14:00 - [48] I enjoy mission, they are relaxing, I love the slow paced relaxing game, it remember me so much the pre-CU swg and I loved it so much. ---- "The road goes ever on"
Aveng3X Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.02.26 14:41:00 - [49] No, I hate them, but they're a bit more fun when you dual account as you get them over and done with quicker and make a bit more ISK. I fly a CNR for taking out BS and have my alt in a pulse Apoc/Abaddon taking out BC and shooting frigs at range. As gunships are more fun to fly than missile boats, you have to manage the shield tank on one and the range/tracking on the other. At least it's better than sitting in a NH... __________________________ Any views expressed are not necessarily the views of my corporation or alliance. YARR!
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.02.26 15:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Knight Hippaforalkus In general, missions are something to do, just like pvp, mining, trading, manufacturing, whatever-else-ing. People do what they want and usually enjoy, again no offence meant but if someone is missioning and can't stand it, go do something else, there is plenty to choose from. K.H. Now c'mon why would people do that when they can toss random insults at others because they do not have the purely optimal setup or they enjoy a different part of the game? That's just silly talk.
Sigurd Gudmundson Minmatar Conditioned Response	Posted - 2009.02.26 21:29:00 - [51] I enjoy them. They let me unwind after a mental day or give me an excuse to hide when the wife is in a mood . I've just got a couple of friends into EvE though, so I expect I'll be pvp'ing more than missioning now.
Pvt Public7 Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.26 21:52:00 - [52] As an L4 mission grinder, I feel I must say that no, missions are boring as all ****. Humbly request fewer rats than current, but with higher overall DPS than current. And not just new missions like that, change them ALL eventually. --- SWA was here IAC is a loser
Imertu Solientai	Posted - 2009.02.26 22:45:00 - [53] Originally by: General Newbold i run missions, i hate them, but to be honest i cant think of a easier way of making isk? i often look at eve as a very boring game, the missions are all the same - and i really think new ones should be addred frequently, or a easier way for newcomers to make isk (see later) Eve in my opinion will always get people leaving the game early due to a very very steep curve, not a learning curve, but a earnings curve, I remember when i made my first million, i was impressed and i felt like i had achieved something, but in the long run its nothing. Most people cannot compete with the big boys. I probabally spend 3 hours a day mission running for isk - and due to the boredom i often lose ships Whats a good alternative to mission running for income? perhaps exploration - but its a hard route to go down - as training for a assault frig or SB isnt a appealing route for a newbie - who heads for a BS first FAIL! You find the game boring because you aren't playing it properly. You're playing the game with the sole objective of getting ISK, and as such you are spending your entire game time doing one of the most boring things in the game. If you want fun in eve, grab a T1 frigate, fit some guns and a warp scrambler, and go on a roam through lowsec. Attack any players you see flying T1 cruisers or smaller. When you die you are down about 500k - 1 mill ISK, but you hopefully had a lot of fun. Getting large amounts of ISK should be a long term goal, not a short term one. Short term goals should be fun things like getting you first <insert ship (not capitals)>, killing your first player, finding your first faction spawn, visiting <insert famous system>, trying out <insert profession here>, etc. 10 mill is all you really need as a newer player.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.26 22:48:00 - [54] I use missionrunning to relax and clear my mind :) "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Professor Cash	Posted - 2009.02.27 01:50:00 - [55] When I want to blow ships up and not have to concentrate as much as I do when PvPin' Mission runnign is great and the ISK is nice. However better ways to make ISK... Kill Rats in 0.0, They are bigger have higher bounties and drop better loot, but you do have to worry about Players coming to get you. Then there are Datacores, I use that for my main source of income really. Plus that's passive all I have to do is pick them up and sell them.
Lola Zi'lok	Posted - 2009.02.27 03:00:00 - [56] If they did not repeat themselves hundreds of times I would do them forever.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.02.27 04:01:00 - [57] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 27/02/2009 04:01:20 Originally by: Kexeo CCP need to seriously up the risk ~~and reward~~ part of missions, and perhaps throw in a few fleet agents that give exclusively fleet missions as well. Seeing how popular mission running is, I just can't believe this area of the game is so underdeveloped. Fixed
Hard Learning	Posted - 2009.02.27 06:20:00 - [58] Does anyone enjoy working in a office? Lots of people donÆt but lots of people do. Same work, different feelings about it. Same thing with missions. If you are just grinding it for cash, it is likely you hate it. If you are doing it for other reasons, you are likely having fun. When I want cash and try to maximize the mission, reading the Mission reports in advance, I donÆt enjoy it as much as when I am just playing around and donÆt read the reports. I get surprises and I have a different attitude about it. So yeah, if you are power gaming, the missions are not that much fun, but no surprise there. If you are actually playing (rather than working), they can be more fun. I am not saying the missions could not be improved, but I do think that a good percentage of the issue is how people are approaching them. If you only grind to get cash for PVP, try playing PVP in a smaller ship. You will get more fun time per mission grind and you will get more adrenaline running in a small ship. If you absolutely MUST have the best ship for PVP, well, suck it up princess and go grind.
Tibrius Archer Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.27 16:48:00 - [59] YOU HAVE TO BE MAD. OFC I HATE MISSIONS I DO THEM AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. SAME WITH RATTING. I actually started out a miner, I like to mine. Mining although even less involved that missions is uninvolved enough in a barge to do while browsing forums and youtube so its not the primary activity so you don't die of bordem. So why don't i mine then you ask? Because every belt is empty. Filled with someone in hulk that has never left there n00b corp mining 23/7. So since the macro sweatshop people have killed mining al we can do is missions :( All the fleet wars people have everyday could never be mined legit for (well not at the price T1 ships sell for). So basically micro miners force people into missions who hate them, and then force people out of the game its B.S. Its hard to make over a 1million isk an hour in empire FFS cause of the macroers and the play to make a living crew and that is IF you can find the roids. CCP Will not stop them as living/macro miners must account for 5-10% of subscriptions. That's a lot of profit in these times of recession. ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
Tibrius Archer Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.02.27 16:54:00 - [60] Originally by: Kethot No. Nobody enjoys flying missions. It's the most dull aspect of the game and I frankly don't understand people that run them almost exclusively. Missions need a lot more variety to be considered fun. 1) A lot higher risk/reward ratio. 2) A lot more variety in kill mission types. Variety in almost every aspect to be precise. - Variety in mission objectives. - Variety in tactics used to be able to complete the mission. - Variety in setups/ships used by the players in order to be more or less successful. - Variety in NPC AI which would make missions less predictable. - Variety in mission types that would create better and more realistic atmosphere that would involve friendly NPC fleets of the faction you are working for which would in turn make missions much more diverse and add much more fluff. You get the point anyway... There is no fun in grind. Basically missions should be low sec only. Also they should pay 3 times as much but be MUCH easier I am talking 2-3 BS on a level 4. You should have no indicators on the enemy damage type in the briefing forcing you to fit a PvP set-up that is far more realistic. If your engaged in low sec PvP you already have a good multi resistance set-up. Its really how it should have been in a game like this. Not this time tax in exchange for isk what we have now. ***************************************** "Get in my way and I will burn your fleet from stem to stern"
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.02.27 17:19:00 - [61] It's a matter of perception. Personally I like running missions occasionally. I like blowing stuff up and find it quite relaxing. It is just a different kind of 'mining', you know ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
Tarron Sarek Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.02.27 17:23:00 - [62] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 27/02/2009 17:25:14 Originally by: Tatanya Darkdawn In new mmo's the missions get more and more interesting and diverse. I heard that the new WoW expansion is absolutely wonderfull because there is no feeling of grind. In other MMOs missions are called quests and you can only do (most of) them once. That's why they can be unique. Missions in EVE are more like the random missions from the mission terminal in Privateer. The new WoW expansion has no grind, because everything is overly easy and people get shoved their gold up their .. behind. It's not my definition of wonderful, but probably some other players' definition of great concept. I'm not saying missions in EVE are great. I'm just saying you got to be careful what you compare. ___________________________________ Balance is power, ~~guard~~ hide it well "Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam"
Barratacus	Posted - 2009.02.27 19:23:00 - [63] I don't enjoy the missioning at all. I'm a new player who has been running missions exclusively. I'm still grinding L2s so I can afford a Ferox when I skill up to it. Not very expensive btw... I'll probably be doing L3s comfortably in a week or two and then in a month's time L4s and maybe L5s. That's the part I enjoy. Getting to the next level. The missions themselves are rubbish and I'm shocked to see Eve still hasn't put in good PvE after seven years of operation. I suspect once I'm running through L4s without trouble I will probably be done with missions and look for the next profession. PVP pew pew maybe.
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2009.02.28 11:14:00 - [64] Edited by: Kery Nysell on 28/02/2009 11:15:32 Originally by: Tibrius Archer Basically missions should be low sec only. Also they should pay 3 times as much but be MUCH easier I am talking 2-3 BS on a level 4. You should have no indicators on the enemy damage type in the briefing forcing you to fit a PvP set-up that is far more realistic. If your engaged in low sec PvP you already have a good multi resistance set-up. Its really how it should have been in a game like this. Not this time tax in exchange for isk what we have now. Either you're joking, or you're a pie-rat that wants more easy targets in low sec ... Some people, like me, DON'T like the PvP "pewpewmyepeenisbigger" side of eVe ... for example, I haven't gone in a lowsec system for the past 2 years ... I play to relax, the added stress of having to constantly watch over my back for some Quake-escapee wanting a few "quick frags" is detrimental to my enjoyment of the game ... Yes, missions could use an overhaul ... but lowsec only ? That was the plan with L5 mission, hugely succesful that one was ... I suspect that a good portion of the eVe population are casual players, like me, that like to do some "silly carebearish things" in high sec to unwind after a harsh day ... Kill the highsec content (as limited as it is right now) and say goodbye to a lot of players ... and then eVe becomes a gigantic Quake map with ships instead of guns. Fun for some, probably, but I don't think it's a good idea ... <~ sig starts here My Skills
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2009.02.28 12:58:00 - [65] Not really, with more ppl it can be fun though
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.02.28 16:31:00 - [66] Their are some missions i like ( gone berzerk is my favorite) and some i hate ( worlds collide) and all in between. I do missions as a way to make money not my only source of income. I do a little of everything in eve so i dont get as bored with missions as grinders. Missions could be better. Harder with better isk.. i dont agree with. they are plenty hard enough for lower sp pilots as it is. while a 20 mil sp pilot may walk through them a 4-5 mil sp pilot will have a much harder time. Missions should be changed: - they should have varible spawns( almost like random belt rat spawns) with only the mission completion trigger being constant. - their should be long mission agents and short (kill) mission agents. - short missions should stay the same pay while long missions( over 4 hours for reward) should pay much better some said it shouldnt be time-isk. the whole game is based on time= isk. why should missions be any different? exploration site-time to explore scan down scout out then run, loot and salvage. usually only worth the effort in 0.0 mining -even in a hulk you sit for hours on end and stare at asteriods converting the minutes of your life into isk in your wallet in which later someone will extinguish both your life and isk. inventing- yeah this aint time consuming. though you can do this with other task but this cost isk+ time= isk indy-same as inventing basically pirating-time + isk= isk or needing a new profession ninja salvaging/ can flipping/other such professions-time and sometimes isk = isk trading-time + luck+ isk= isk 0.0 ratting- time= isk missioning- time=isk Common factors? Time = Isk Missions should be less static and more dynamic. They still should be a good source of income.. their is to much profession grinding in this game as it is in order to afford to pvp for the average player. Its the only pvp game that you have to make a career out of something else first to sustain an income to pvp.
Kathreen Janeway	Posted - 2009.03.01 11:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Ocip I enjoy mission, they are relaxing, I love the slow paced relaxing game, it remember me so much the pre-CU swg and I loved it so much. Now you have hit a weak spot. The words pre-CU SWG ruined my day :) Sigh...The good old days...

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