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Dotard
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.25 13:15:00 -
[31]
In before Tchell!
"- and due to the boredom I often lose ships"
QFT
"Whats a good alternative to mission running for income?"
Ninja'ing. Find other peoples missions (OPMs) and take all the stuffs. Mission rewards are pocket change compaired to the salvages and loots. In the time it takes you to complete a mission I can find an OPM, loot and salvage it and start looking for a new one.
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Kethot
Ordo Drakonis
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.25 15:26:00 -
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No. Nobody enjoys flying missions. It's the most dull aspect of the game and I frankly don't understand people that run them almost exclusively.
Missions need a lot more variety to be considered fun.
1) A lot higher risk/reward ratio.
2) A lot more variety in kill mission types. Variety in almost every aspect to be precise.
- Variety in mission objectives.
- Variety in tactics used to be able to complete the mission.
- Variety in setups/ships used by the players in order to be more or less successful.
- Variety in NPC AI which would make missions less predictable.
- Variety in mission types that would create better and more realistic atmosphere that would involve friendly NPC fleets of the faction you are working for which would in turn make missions much more diverse and add much more fluff.
You get the point anyway... There is no fun in grind.
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Samulus
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Posted - 2009.02.25 15:27:00 -
[33]
I do run missions but hate that some missions are just not worth running. I wish empire would have more and "better" lvl 4 quality 18 and 20 missions, and even some lvl 5s (in empire I mean).
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Ana Vyr
DB - LJ Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.25 17:51:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: King Rothgar
Relaxing is never a response I expected from this. I play games like this for excitement, solitaire and music is for relaxing to me. To each their own but that response surprised me.
Missions ARE the solitaire in EVE. Mining too for that matter. I enjoy both.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:02:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Ana Vyr
Missions ARE the solitaire in EVE. Mining too for that matter. I enjoy both.
QFT
Me too 
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:54:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kethot
No. Nobody enjoys flying missions. It's the most dull aspect of the game and I frankly don't understand people that run them almost exclusively.
Oh wait. Maybe I don't enjoy them.
I could have sworn I did, but he said I don't.
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Leandro Salazar
Better Dead Then Smeg
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:11:00 -
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Back when I was still busy maxing out my ships, I actually DID enjoy missions. Somehow it was fun to me to see new ships/mods work better than before and to run them ever faster. Since I have reached the top that is possible with reasonable money, it has diminished somewhat, but I still enjoy the occasional cruise in a really well fitted ship that earns me money, as opposed to the PvP where I fly ships fitted as cheap as I can get away with and normally only lose money as I don't enjoy frigs and thus get little loot lol...
For me it is most definitely the least unattractive method of making money. I do realize you can make a lot more trading and I do this on occasion/opportunities, but I find it very boring. And I wouldn't even touch a mining laser with a stick.
And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Knight Hippaforalkus
Gallente
Cut Throats And Wise Guys
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:49:00 -
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I do like running missions, at the moment it is the thing I do in Eve.
I also tend not to be too bothered by the rejecting this and accepting that approach, I do whatever missions purely because it means variety. Will get some that are extremely easy and some which push me that bit harder. I mean no offence by this but I really don't understand why some people complain about lack of variety then admit they only accept certain missions and reject others. Now while I know accepting all of these won't give an unlimited supply of variety but it makes that bit of a difference, also I know that not all complainers go on about rejecting and vice versa.
At the moment I am working on improving several skills/ships/fittings etc and yes I do have plans to train up PVP skills as well, heck I even have a set of Miner IIs sitting in a station somewhere and half way to a retriever (although I still can't quite remember why).
I play Eve to have fun, if that means doing missions people claim to be bad risk-reward ratio then so be it, if I lose a ship then I lose a ship. I will learn from it and move on.
As for the endless cycle, I am aiming for a Maurader, and yes when I get there I may or may not have reached the limit for missioning, but so what? When I get to that point I will train to have it running the best that I can and if I decide it's good enough at any point (or just get bored improving it) I will go the pvp route and train that way and always have my shiny mission ship sitting by for the occasional days I feel like it.
In general, missions are something to do, just like pvp, mining, trading, manufacturing, whatever-else-ing. People do what they want and usually enjoy, again no offence meant but if someone is missioning and can't stand it, go do something else, there is plenty to choose from.
K.H.
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Bo'Tox
Amarr
Arkor Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.26 00:23:00 -
[39]
I enjoy missions as I enjoy trying to improve my skills to see how much better I can fit my ships and how much faster I can grind them.
The ISK from rewards, loot and salvage is good to help fund my expeditions too.
Still working on trying to get BC skills (ie T2 lasers, and Laser skills and drone skills for the Harb), so I'm pushing onwards....
Althought Mining for me is the fastest way top make money buts thats only a semi AFK task so I usually only do that when I have a good episode of Law and Order, SVU, CSI, (or my Personal favourite NCIS) or some such on TV!
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AFTERMARKET
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Posted - 2009.02.26 05:11:00 -
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I enjoy them, but that might be because they are the only thing, besides mining which i hate, that i can do while i do homework. Its like making Isk without playing. Then when i finish my homework i go waste the Isk on fun stuff like PVP.
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AmmoniaisNH3
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Posted - 2009.02.26 09:16:00 -
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i use a single rep domi for most missions, and sometimes a mag stab
armor goes below 20% and i get a little sweaty
but then dps kills off most rats and armor picks up quickly
then it gets repetitive
then i go pewpew
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Woogz
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Posted - 2009.02.26 10:07:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Woogz on 26/02/2009 10:09:09
Originally by: Dotard
"Whats a good alternative to mission running for income?"
Ninja'ing. Find other peoples missions (OPMs) and take all the stuffs. Mission rewards are pocket change compaired to the salvages and loots. In the time it takes you to complete a mission I can find an OPM, loot and salvage it and start looking for a new one.
Ill agree with this, me and my cousin did this for a few weeks.... was good fun :)he also let me salvage his lvl 4 missions in my puny little cruiser.... took me like 4/5 runs in my catalyst looting and salvaging but he stopped letting me once he realised i was making between 25 and 40 mil per one of his missions just looting and salvaging :)
On the whole mission front, i quite enjoy running missions, i dont get to actually play very often so its nice to see the weeks worth of skills ive trained have had some difference in the missions.... the isk isnt that great for them at the moment (only running level 2s and 3s) but i find the difficulty of them ranges drastically.. ive had lvl 3s that take me seconds to complete and i never struggle with and give me 200k + 250k reward and then last night i had a lvl 2 that gave me 320k and 350k bonus.... and i just could not do it, i only fly a T1 brutix with T2 repairers but i couldnt even get within range to shoot a enemy in that mission before i was half way through my armor.....
So yeah, i enjoy missions :) but then ive only been playing for 2 months
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Oscon Ghil
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:27:00 -
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Nice thread. I wish CCP would read this and maybe respond with possible plans for the future. I enjoy running missions myself, using a big selection of ships and setups for variation. But as some in this thread have mentioned - the mission system is very outdated.
I've been reading about the Epic missions arcs coming up in the Apocrypha patch, but was disappointed to read that you can only repeat an epic once every three months. I was kinda hoping it was something we could do on a daily or weekly basis, depending on how large they will be.
They should use the new mission-builder system to create a whole lot of brand new missions aswell, especially in the mining, manufacturing and courier divisions. And how about invention and exploration missions, where what you make/find is part of the reward you get. I'd love to see more complex non-kill missions.
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Yoshito Kae'un
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:42:00 -
[44]
Originally by: V05
I run missions, Missions give great isk.
I then do PVP and low-sec hunting, PVP give great Risk.
They balance out. ^^
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Coronae Borealis
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:59:00 -
[45]
It depends.
Mostly if you are casual player, you might find missioning really fun and intresting. But if you are hardcore pvp'er.. You hate them. You hate ratting. You hate mining. You just want to undock your ship and go pew pew.
Of course, if you can fly Golem... The missions are just so easy and the ISK flow so nice... How wouldn't enjoy of that? 
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Cu3ball
Minmatar
Ikarus Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cu3ball on 26/02/2009 12:52:18
Edited by: Cu3ball on 26/02/2009 12:50:51
I enjoy running missions, but I do it a little different than most. I have 2 ways of running them.
First is to make isk's. I use a CNR or Drake, depending on the mission, then use a BC to come back salvage the loot. Fast way to make isk and it is not to boring if you do not do it for hours.
Secound is to run them in an AF. I use either a Wolf, Iskhur or Harpy. This is alot more fun, because I have to actually pay attention to what I am doing. It takes longer but is not mind numbly boring. You just have to make sure you pop the Web-Frig's first, otherwise you pop very quickly  . The fact that I lose one every now and then keeps the missions from being boring. Sometimes I need to come back in my CNR to kill the final bad guy because I dont have the DPS to do it in my AF but not very often. And sometimes just for fun, I will run thru them and kill all the frigate and cruisers with my AF, then come back with my CNR for the big guys.
I think the trick is to not grind. The last time I checked, this was a game, not a job. If you dont enjoy doing something, find another way of doing it so that it is more fun, or do something else.
Just my 2 isk's worth, hope it helps.
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Wicked Spider
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:09:00 -
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i like them because they fit my playing style
i have limited time and im a solo player so thats my main source of income
now i can even do them afk which leaves me time to work :P
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Ocip
Caldari
Extreme Solutions
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.02.26 13:14:00 -
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I enjoy mission, they are relaxing, I love the slow paced relaxing game, it remember me so much the pre-CU swg and I loved it so much.
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Aveng3X
Warped Mining
Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.02.26 14:41:00 -
[49]
No, I hate them, but they're a bit more fun when you dual account as you get them over and done with quicker and make a bit more ISK.
I fly a CNR for taking out BS and have my alt in a pulse Apoc/Abaddon taking out BC and shooting frigs at range. As gunships are more fun to fly than missile boats, you have to manage the shield tank on one and the range/tracking on the other. At least it's better than sitting in a NH...
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:49:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Knight Hippaforalkus
In general, missions are something to do, just like pvp, mining, trading, manufacturing, whatever-else-ing. People do what they want and usually enjoy, again no offence meant but if someone is missioning and can't stand it, go do something else, there is plenty to choose from.
K.H.
Now c'mon why would people do that when they can toss random insults at others because they do not have the purely optimal setup or they enjoy a different part of the game? That's just silly talk.
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Sigurd Gudmundson
Minmatar
Conditioned Response
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:29:00 -
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I enjoy them. They let me unwind after a mental day or give me an excuse to hide when the wife is in a mood  .
I've just got a couple of friends into EvE though, so I expect I'll be pvp'ing more than missioning now.
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Pvt Public7
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:52:00 -
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As an L4 mission grinder, I feel I must say that no, missions are boring as all ****.
Humbly request fewer rats than current, but with higher overall DPS than current. And not just new missions like that, change them ALL eventually.
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Imertu Solientai
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Posted - 2009.02.26 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: General Newbold
i run missions, i hate them, but to be honest i cant think of a easier way of making isk?
i often look at eve as a very boring game, the missions are all the same - and i really think new ones should be addred frequently, or a easier way for newcomers to make isk (see later)
Eve in my opinion will always get people leaving the game early due to a very very steep curve, not a learning curve, but a earnings curve, I remember when i made my first million, i was impressed and i felt like i had achieved something, but in the long run its nothing. Most people cannot compete with the big boys.
I probabally spend 3 hours a day mission running for isk - and due to the boredom i often lose ships
Whats a good alternative to mission running for income? perhaps exploration - but its a hard route to go down - as training for a assault frig or SB isnt a appealing route for a newbie - who heads for a BS first
FAIL! You find the game boring because you aren't playing it properly. You're playing the game with the sole objective of getting ISK, and as such you are spending your entire game time doing one of the most boring things in the game. If you want fun in eve, grab a T1 frigate, fit some guns and a warp scrambler, and go on a roam through lowsec. Attack any players you see flying T1 cruisers or smaller. When you die you are down about 500k - 1 mill ISK, but you hopefully had a lot of fun. Getting large amounts of ISK should be a long term goal, not a short term one. Short term goals should be fun things like getting you first <insert ship (not capitals)>, killing your first player, finding your first faction spawn, visiting <insert famous system>, trying out <insert profession here>, etc. 10 mill is all you really need as a newer player.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.26 22:48:00 -
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I use missionrunning to relax and clear my mind :)
"Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot."
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Professor Cash
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Posted - 2009.02.27 01:50:00 -
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When I want to blow ships up and not have to concentrate as much as I do when PvPin' Mission runnign is great and the ISK is nice.
However better ways to make ISK...
Kill Rats in 0.0, They are bigger have higher bounties and drop better loot, but you do have to worry about Players coming to get you.
Then there are Datacores, I use that for my main source of income really. Plus that's passive all I have to do is pick them up and sell them.
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Lola Zi'lok
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:00:00 -
[56]
If they did not repeat themselves hundreds of times I would do them forever.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:01:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 27/02/2009 04:01:20
Originally by: Kexeo
CCP need to seriously up the risk and reward part of missions, and perhaps throw in a few fleet agents that give exclusively fleet missions as well. Seeing how popular mission running is, I just can't believe this area of the game is so underdeveloped.
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Hard Learning
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Posted - 2009.02.27 06:20:00 -
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Does anyone enjoy working in a office? Lots of people donĘt but lots of people do. Same work, different feelings about it.
Same thing with missions. If you are just grinding it for cash, it is likely you hate it. If you are doing it for other reasons, you are likely having fun. When I want cash and try to maximize the mission, reading the Mission reports in advance, I donĘt enjoy it as much as when I am just playing around and donĘt read the reports. I get surprises and I have a different attitude about it.
So yeah, if you are power gaming, the missions are not that much fun, but no surprise there. If you are actually playing (rather than working), they can be more fun. I am not saying the missions could not be improved, but I do think that a good percentage of the issue is how people are approaching them.
If you only grind to get cash for PVP, try playing PVP in a smaller ship. You will get more fun time per mission grind and you will get more adrenaline running in a small ship. If you absolutely MUST have the best ship for PVP, well, suck it up princess and go grind.
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Tibrius Archer
Cursed Souls
Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:48:00 -
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YOU HAVE TO BE MAD. OFC I HATE MISSIONS I DO THEM AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. SAME WITH RATTING.
I actually started out a miner, I like to mine. Mining although even less involved that missions is uninvolved enough in a barge to do while browsing forums and youtube so its not the primary activity so you don't die of bordem. So why don't i mine then you ask? Because every belt is empty. Filled with someone in hulk that has never left there n00b corp mining 23/7. So since the macro sweatshop people have killed mining al we can do is missions :(
All the fleet wars people have everyday could never be mined legit for (well not at the price T1 ships sell for). So basically micro miners force people into missions who hate them, and then force people out of the game its B.S. Its hard to make over a 1million isk an hour in empire FFS cause of the macroers and the play to make a living crew and that is IF you can find the roids.
CCP Will not stop them as living/macro miners must account for 5-10% of subscriptions. That's a lot of profit in these times of recession.
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Tibrius Archer
Cursed Souls
Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kethot
No. Nobody enjoys flying missions. It's the most dull aspect of the game and I frankly don't understand people that run them almost exclusively.
Missions need a lot more variety to be considered fun.
1) A lot higher risk/reward ratio.
2) A lot more variety in kill mission types. Variety in almost every aspect to be precise.
- Variety in mission objectives.
- Variety in tactics used to be able to complete the mission.
- Variety in setups/ships used by the players in order to be more or less successful.
- Variety in NPC AI which would make missions less predictable.
- Variety in mission types that would create better and more realistic atmosphere that would involve friendly NPC fleets of the faction you are working for which would in turn make missions much more diverse and add much more fluff.
You get the point anyway... There is no fun in grind.
Basically missions should be low sec only. Also they should pay 3 times as much but be MUCH easier I am talking 2-3 BS on a level 4. You should have no indicators on the enemy damage type in the briefing forcing you to fit a PvP set-up that is far more realistic. If your engaged in low sec PvP you already have a good multi resistance set-up. Its really how it should have been in a game like this. Not this time tax in exchange for isk what we have now.
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