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Joethelions Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Li Fengxian Originally by: Jared D'Uroth Kachak I think your OP has some very excellent points. I would like to point out to all you pirates that people playing eve are not wanting to shoot other people infact I think most would be happyer if there was no way to target another player. I however think that pirates are teenagers and therefore they have no money SO if you did this plan then we would be rid of all our pillaging and eve would be a safer place for everyone great post kachak. Wow, this is even funnier than the OP. Not all pirates are griefers, and not all griefers are pirates. The best pirates are in fact wealthy and adults. hi im wealthy and have 23 billions ok? not a pirate.
Gnarouh Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:55:00 - [32] ok i'll bite without retrolling. First off your example with "clicking every box yes without reading" just because you do that, dont mean everyone do it. The devs put it there for a reason, its a clear warning that you are about to enter at part of the game, intended for people who enjoy either the thrill of pvp'ing, or the thrill of cutting off 10 jumps but having the danger of being pvp'ed even if they are in the hauler. Allso devs have multiple times statet RISK=REWARD - so mining in lowsec will earn you more isk, but the posibility of me flying by and shooting your mining boat is there. Ergo, you should have read the warning and understood it, rather than just cliking "yes". This kinda fouls your entire argument, as you theorize that the game was not made for shooting other people. Now heres my view, im not a pirate as persay, i dont ransom people, i blow them up. I do this as a service to every player in my local, i make the game interesting for them, if you just want to grind isk, im sure i can write a short litle web program for you where you see a number rising with every click. It'll be safe and borring. as for paying more ? I die alot to, and i have to get isk for my ships somehow, now im not like you, i dont enjoy grinding, so i pay for my isk by buying GTC's and selling them to people who enjoy you game, the grinding one, so they dont have to pay real life $ to play. Conclusion: im an adult, who make enough money to pay 3*subscription every month to sponsor my own poor pvp skills. Yet i contribute more to the game experience than you ever will. Not only do i make it dangerous and interesting for you to come out of empire. I allso make sure that a few people who wouldn't pay for the game actually plays it, hench keeping the wheels turning. Gnarouh 1338 - 1 cooler than most people. "i feed the trolls"
Billy Sastard Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:55:00 - [33] WTF... OK, most, if not ALL of the pirates I have flown with in my years in EVE have been over 21 with jobs and relationships etc. Why is it that people come to EVE and play the game thinking they can bop along doing whatever with nobody bothering them, then as soon as someone comes along as shoots them that person is a 'fat teenager virgin living in moms basement'? <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
Irish Blend Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:57:00 - [34] Since when is blowing up other peoples stuff in eve a crime? I like cats, especially with General Tso's sauce
Jared D'Uroth	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Billy Sastard WTF... OK, most, if not ALL of the pirates I have flown with in my years in EVE have been over 21 with jobs and relationships etc. Why is it that people come to EVE and play the game thinking they can bop along doing whatever with nobody bothering them, then as soon as someone comes along as shoots them that person is a 'fat teenager virgin living in moms basement'? you obviously have misconceptionally judged pirates.
Jorev Dannel Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:58:00 - [36] Good attention to detail and a high provocation factor while maintaining a composed demeanor, I'm gonna say 7/10...slightly too long and implausable to merit a higher score, but a good try! ---------------------------------------- All dressed in uniforms so fine, They drank and killed to pass the time Wearing the shame of all their crimes With measured steps they walked in line
Billy Sastard Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Jared D'Uroth you obviously have misconceptionally judged pirates. Have you actually flown with any pirates in the game? Got to know any of them? Or have you only been blown up by them and then built some imaginary 'pirate kiddie' in your mind and impose that idea on every pirate in EVE? <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
Jared D'Uroth	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:06:00 - [38] Edited by: Jared D''Uroth on 24/02/2009 22:06:29 Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Jared D'Uroth you obviously have misconceptionally judged pirates. Have you actually flown with any pirates in the game? Got to know any of them? Or have you only been blown up by them and then built some imaginary 'pirate kiddie' in your mind and impose that idea on every pirate in EVE? OK, I have sent spy infiltrations into many pirate cooperations (I.E. Gallente Militia, CVA, etc.) for making of safe routes for people of high-sec and 0.5 space. I think i know what I'm talking about.
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Li Fengxian Not all pirates are griefers, and not all griefers are pirates. The best pirates are in fact wealthy and adults. OMG you R'tard. Pirates are in fact griefers, that's what they do and it is shocking. It's against the rules to grief people yet somebody shooting a miner or hauler is allowed, WTF??? That is griefing. The only way we will see the griefing stopped is with consensual PvP. Let the griefers play on 1 server and the rest of us on another server, then Eve will be a better place. Also Kachak, I see you are in a corporation so hopefully your fellow corp mates will stand together against the pirate s****that PK's you.
Esus Ionhar	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:22:00 - [40] Originally by: Jared D'Uroth Edited by: Jared D''Uroth on 24/02/2009 22:06:29 Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Jared D'Uroth you obviously have misconceptionally judged pirates. Have you actually flown with any pirates in the game? Got to know any of them? Or have you only been blown up by them and then built some imaginary 'pirate kiddie' in your mind and impose that idea on every pirate in EVE? OK, I have sent spy infiltrations into many pirate cooperations (I.E. Gallente Militia, CVA, etc.) for making of safe routes for people of high-sec and 0.5 space. I think i know what I'm talking about. 1) Obvious alt is obvious 2) Good job you infiltrated that imfamous pirate corporation CVA. I heard they're the worse...
Anndy Caldari Praetorian BlackGuard Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:24:00 - [41] Edited by: Anndy on 24/02/2009 22:25:41 Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: Li Fengxian Not all pirates are griefers, and not all griefers are pirates. The best pirates are in fact wealthy and adults. OMG you R'tard. Pirates are in fact griefers, that's what they do and it is shocking. It's against the rules to grief people yet somebody shooting a miner or hauler is allowed, WTF??? That is griefing. The only way we will see the griefing stopped is with consensual PvP. Let the griefers play on 1 server and the rest of us on another server, then Eve will be a better place. Also Kachak, I see you are in a corporation so hopefully your fellow corp mates will stand together against the pirate s**that PK's you. aww did you get popped? lets face it weather you like it or not you need pirates and you need pvp or the eve economy would go to hell, you like making a profit selling minerals and ships? if pvp was to suddenly stop prices would crash and then you'll be crying that no one is buying your ** and its all because pvp stopped and now no one loses ships grow a pair and actually try fighting back, it can be done and honestly its not very hard, you dont like it then leave its a simple as that
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:26:00 - [42] Posting in a well written Troll Thread. Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more. Whisper is now officially my hero.
Jared D'Uroth	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Esus Ionhar Originally by: Jared D'Uroth Edited by: Jared D''Uroth on 24/02/2009 22:06:29 Originally by: Billy Sastard Originally by: Jared D'Uroth you obviously have misconceptionally judged pirates. Have you actually flown with any pirates in the game? Got to know any of them? Or have you only been blown up by them and then built some imaginary 'pirate kiddie' in your mind and impose that idea on every pirate in EVE? OK, I have sent spy infiltrations into many pirate cooperations (I.E. Gallente Militia, CVA, etc.) for making of safe routes for people of high-sec and 0.5 space. I think i know what I'm talking about. 1) Obvious alt is obvious 2) Good job you infiltrated that imfamous pirate corporation CVA. I heard they're the worse... Hi im jared duroth not an alt and if u want to make a battle convo me and ill kill u in my warshep.
Wu Jiaqiu Minmatar Tian-di Regime	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:30:00 - [44] I had to log in to say this. Are you serious or are you just trolling? You are trolling arent you?
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Anndy Edited by: Anndy on 24/02/2009 22:25:41 Originally by: Kirra Liu Originally by: Li Fengxian Not all pirates are griefers, and not all griefers are pirates. The best pirates are in fact wealthy and adults. OMG you R'tard. Pirates are in fact griefers, that's what they do and it is shocking. It's against the rules to grief people yet somebody shooting a miner or hauler is allowed, WTF??? That is griefing. The only way we will see the griefing stopped is with consensual PvP. Let the griefers play on 1 server and the rest of us on another server, then Eve will be a better place. Also Kachak, I see you are in a corporation so hopefully your fellow corp mates will stand together against the pirate s**that PK's you. aww did you get popped? lets face it weather you like it or not you need pirates and you need pvp or the eve economy would go to hell, you like making a profit selling minerals and ships? if pvp was to suddenly stop prices would crash and then you'll be crying that no one is buying your ** and its all because pvp stopped and now no one loses ships grow a pair and actually try fighting back, it can be done and honestly its not very hard, you dont like it then leave its a simple as that Yes I have been popped many times and sometimes they say the meanest of things like calling me a noob and saying things about my mother , we don't need piwates because they are nothing but nasty griefers. As for industry, that can survive off supplying mission runners, so there.... P.S. Tried fighting back many times but how are you supposed to fight back when there are two of them shooting you???
Kachak Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:35:00 - [46] No no no, no no.. I must say no.. I know online communities like multiplayer online gaming platform forums are always inclined to receive the so called "troll" posts by statistical means of general population. But I hereby reject the so said status implications by some of the above posters of reply. I am myself member of a piratifying corporation, and thus I am also guilty of crimes I have described ergo sum. I am just trying to be objective here, and speak in all honesty of my heart and soul, despite all the threats and abusations from my corpmates and other human pirate beings I have flown in the past. I am not betraying, I am just speakering the truth. If that is my crime, make me die. Originally by: Esus Ionhar 1) Obvious alt is obvious Sir, no. No, sir. Kachak is my main. I am proud and loud as I am, and I do not need alternative characters in the multiplayer game of EvE Online to make posting on the forums as to trick you when I fail to present an integrated characterization of my IRL thoughts of opinion. sir, Kachak is my main, I assure you so. If you do not make belief in me, I suggest you check my forum history or that you make challenge me of one versus one spaceship duel.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Kachak I would very much like to hear your views on my proposal... In one word? ******ed. Welcome to EVE, where your consequences actually have action. I suggest you learn that while you can, carebear. Stimulus
Borat Sangdiev	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:42:00 - [48] I do not approve of massage.
Kachak Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Kirra Liu Yes I have been popped many times and sometimes they say the meanest of things like calling me a noob and saying things about my mother , we don't need piwates because they are nothing but nasty griefers. This, sir, is exactly what I am talking about.. I do not know how these guys got those indecent pictures of my mum, but apparently they have. Until now, they kept calling out my mum is fat, and I would routinely deny, since I thought they could not prove so. Now they are ransomming for posting pics of my mum on internet website. I have no amount of money in my possesion that they ask. And so they post the pics. And now every people human being can see my mum being fat. Imagine the joke mails I will receive. Not fair. I repeat my initial proposal. Make pirate players pay more in monthly IRL game subscriptions fees. This should make dissolve of the crime communities in EvE Online.
Borat Sangdiev	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Kachak I would very much like to hear your views on my proposal... In one word? ******ed. Welcome to EVE, where your consequences actually have action. I suggest you learn that while you can, carebear. percentage of troll detection failure, 100%
Esus Ionhar	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Kachak No no no, no no.. I must say no.. I know online communities like multiplayer online gaming platform forums are always inclined to receive the so called "troll" posts by statistical means of general population. But I hereby reject the so said status implications by some of the above posters of reply. I am myself member of a piratifying corporation, and thus I am also guilty of crimes I have described ergo sum. I am just trying to be objective here, and speak in all honesty of my heart and soul, despite all the threats and abusations from my corpmates and other human pirate beings I have flown in the past. I am not betraying, I am just speakering the truth. If that is my crime, make me die. Originally by: Esus Ionhar 1) Obvious alt is obvious Sir, no. No, sir. Kachak is my main. I am proud and loud as I am, and I do not need alternative characters in the multiplayer game of EvE Online to make posting on the forums as to trick you when I fail to present an integrated characterization of my IRL thoughts of opinion. sir, Kachak is my main, I assure you so. If you do not make belief in me, I suggest you check my forum history or that you make challenge me of one versus one spaceship duel. Perhaps you should go back and read whose post I was actually quoting...
Kachak Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Esus Ionhar Originally by: Kachak No no no, no no.. I must say no.. I know online communities like multiplayer online gaming platform forums are always inclined to receive the so called "troll" posts by statistical means of general population. But I hereby reject the so said status implications by some of the above posters of reply. I am myself member of a piratifying corporation, and thus I am also guilty of crimes I have described ergo sum. I am just trying to be objective here, and speak in all honesty of my heart and soul, despite all the threats and abusations from my corpmates and other human pirate beings I have flown in the past. I am not betraying, I am just speakering the truth. If that is my crime, make me die. Originally by: Esus Ionhar 1) Obvious alt is obvious Sir, no. No, sir. Kachak is my main. I am proud and loud as I am, and I do not need alternative characters in the multiplayer game of EvE Online to make posting on the forums as to trick you when I fail to present an integrated characterization of my IRL thoughts of opinion. sir, Kachak is my main, I assure you so. If you do not make belief in me, I suggest you check my forum history or that you make challenge me of one versus one spaceship duel. Perhaps you should go back and read whose post I was actually quoting... I hereby offer my official apologies ingame and IRL for misunderstnding your post and responding to it in the fouled way. I am sorry.
KayO Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:51:00 - [53] Hi, My name is GayO (ingame). I would like to make proposal for game of EvE Online. I will make general discussion of subject matter, so I hope this is correct place to do so. I want to discuss the issue of human players who are killing NPC rats. That is unsocal, and I do not belief that is the whole point of this multiplayer game. In current status of the game, players are free to 'rat' at will. If they do so in high security solar systems they do not have legitimate risk for their actions (war target, kill rights, anti-piracy, etc), and if anybody trys to protect the poor npcs they will be made into pod by intervention of Concord forces, or the local Faction Patrol. Fair enough so far. But imagine this scene - you are in a low security solar system. I know you get a warning message when you initiate jump into such a system, but to be honest dumb people just make click of "yes" on every confirmatory dialog box pop up window? So continuing with the exemplary scene of example. Imagine you are in a stabed cloaking raven, carrying valuable lewtz ninja'd from your entire corporation. You jump in to low security solar system, and your cellular telephome starts ringing. Since you specifically assigned a special tone to your bumfriend, and that tone is playinf right now, you know it is your bumfriend who is making a call to you. You say "OK, when i land at this belt i can cloak, I will make short talk with my bumfriend in that time frame, and then carry on farming these belts". Nice thinking, but not always practical. I say so because this has happened to me IRL. Because IRL matters are not that simple, and cannot be predicted as easily as ingame events. I mean for example if you could hold your cloak of invisibility and fire missiles at the npcs, say, until local is empty, that would be fair in my opinion of thought. But for example, let's say you had the squits and just after you jumped into low security solar system you felt the turtel trying to pop his head out. You know you have 1 minutes of cloaked time, and you are affirmative you can complete your toilet break under 1 minute. But what if you proper pebbledash toilet?? (This also happened to me, FYI) To be honest, I do not like the way EvE Online game is in such ways detached from realities of IRL. Not fair. So my proposal is this: Make farming(those who just ***** npcs) pay more IRL money for their monthly subscription. It is obvious these kind of players (carebears) make the game play experience worse for decent players already. The security status is a joke, they just get an alternative character to scout belts and jumpin gates. Not even remotely balancing. Nowhere near discouraging. But if every farmer pays, say, 0.1 more monthly for every npc they killed within the past month, I do believe we could make better pace in the everlasting battle of eliminating all carebears from the game. I do believe this is only a slight punishment the way I have exemplified above, but I am also aware it already too much for the EvE Online gaming community to absorb. That is why I am not posting this post in Crime & Punishment forum. I would probably be undercut selling all my lewtz every day in jita if I did so. I would very much like to hear your views on my proposal, and I thank you for your attention if you read my postage of discussion this far. Fly safe.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:54:00 - [54] Originally by: KayO Hi, I FOUND GAYO! Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more. Whisper is now officially my hero.
Norn Havwytt Minmatar The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:03:00 - [55] poasteng ina dense trett
Suneai Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:06:00 - [56] I laughed quite a bit reading that, thanks for the giggles. Anyway about your examples: Point a) So your mobile phone rings while about to jump, you figure it can be sorted in a minute... my little question is why did a mobile phone stop you from playing? Mobile phone takes one hand, mouse takes one hand... Oh wow! You can still right click and warp while on the phone! If that's too complicated for you, then you should of docked in your current system instead of being an idiot. Point b) You queue for the toilet? Where the hell do you play!? Anyway, if there's a queue for the toilet then go back to game and try toilet again later... simple! Stop drinking or eating as much while doing important things on EVE, or any game for that matter, it's not a good idea to consume too much when you need to resist using a toilet. If a loss was really caused by either of those, then you'd deserve to lose your stuff You need to learn a little discipline; if you're transporting highly important goods, then all phone calls should be ignored temporarily... it may be just a game to you or the person on the phone but it's a game you're paying for and your actions impact your corp mates or other people you may be dealing with, they deserve your attention to the game if you have made the deal to move goods. Pirating and the ability to do near enough anything you like to other players is one of the major selling points of EVE. If CCP have said they are not going to give a damn about scams involving in-game items why should they care if you got killed while not paying attention? Just for the sake of argument, let's say the developers accept your proposal. Now how would this be implemented and enforced? How does the game differentiate between someone just killing someone as a pirate from two people having a PvP session? It's far too complex to implement due to PvP and pirating having too many similar traits when it just comes down to the a ship exploding. The whole game mechanics would have to be looked into which is definitely too much work than what would be worthwhile.
Montross 0	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:07:00 - [57] I lol'd
Skaz Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:07:00 - [58] Ok, 10 for creativity, as for how the hell that would work... and a big fat 0 for practicality... Although you're true about the detached feeling people seem to have in EVE...roleplaying and story immersion into playing haven't been the strong part of EVE... - - PINK PINK PINK PINK
The macdaddy Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:09:00 - [59] I thought Garmon was perma banned from forums Anyway nice to read one of your troll threads again. 6/10, not one of your best but a good effort inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
JeanPaul Sartre Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:15:00 - [60] 8/10 would be higher but not enough CAPS. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.

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