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Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.02.26 11:14:00 - [121] Originally by: Terianna Eri I dunno, just feels like CCP kinda got shafted here :P sucks really If i had to guess on my previous dealing with Atari, yes, shafting...big shafting My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.26 11:20:00 - [122] Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/02/2009 11:20:38 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Terianna Eri I dunno, just feels like CCP kinda got shafted here :P sucks really If i had to guess on my previous dealing with Atari, yes, shafting...big shafting who gives a ****, I just ran the new tutorial. BADASS. this thing needs to come out 4 years ago. tech 3 ships can wait. and even the 1st mission in the ne wepic arc REAKED of video game version of a cornicle.
ArmyOfMe 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.26 13:59:00 - [123] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: ArmyOfMe any chance you can fix black ops in time for the expantion or will we have to wait a few more years before anything good happens to those ships? they've already said BOps won't be changed this time. i know, i just cant understand why they put out new content when they cant even fix the content they have. damn pre-nerf crap
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.02.26 14:14:00 - [124] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: ArmyOfMe any chance you can fix black ops in time for the expantion or will we have to wait a few more years before anything good happens to those ships? they've already said BOps won't be changed this time. i know, i just cant understand why they put out new content when they cant even fix the content they have. damn pre-nerf crap I'm guessing that Black Ops were someone's special project; they've left/abandoned it and now no-one really knows what to do with them. Or cares.
Primnproper	Posted - 2009.02.26 14:19:00 - [125] A fine example of why pushing the summer expansion forward to march just to fit in with the release of disc version of the game (and maybe because JG:E was penned for release in march till it slipped again) is really really stupid... I'd prefer to wait a few months and get finished, balanced and properly tested new features rather than incomplete, pre-nerfed, buggy features in march and I think everyone else would probably agree with me. The worst thing is I'm really excited about the t3 and wormholes but I can't help expecting it to be poorly executed and no use to anyone until at least the time it should have been released if they weren't trying to rush it out. Lets just hope they prove me wrong...... ... Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
Khalish Mo'Tashi	Posted - 2009.02.26 14:50:00 - [126] Edited by: Khalish Mo''Tashi on 26/02/2009 14:53:25 The one thing that CCP should probably consider doing is at least correct the text in the features page for Apocrypha. There are not going to be "thousands of combinations" possible at release. There will be precisely 972 combinations across the four races, or 243 per race until the final 40 subsystems are released. This isn't even one thousand. This is one thousand less thirty-eight. It just sort of feels like they're going to attempt to bring people in with incorrect facts. I mean... sure, they mention it right at the end of that little paragraph about it, but that doesn't remove the fact that it's a blatantly misleading statement.
Sarin Adler	Posted - 2009.02.26 15:07:00 - [127] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: ArmyOfMe any chance you can fix black ops in time for the expantion or will we have to wait a few more years before anything good happens to those ships? they've already said BOps won't be changed this time. i know, i just cant understand why they put out new content when they cant even fix the content they have. damn pre-nerf crap I'm guessing that Black Ops were someone's special project; they've left/abandoned it and now no-one really knows what to do with them. Or cares. Like so many features? The question is, is going to be T3 an other edfdition of 'half-done and forgotten stuff'? I would love to see an expansion JUST dedicated to balancing,fixing/making worth it a ton of features we have in the game which are esoteric stuff because they are not worth it. People is whining at people whining, so it's ok, is their (CCP) game, but we are not whining for nothing, afterall we all want a better game, devs should listen to playerbase soemtime. Does really CCP think we need new broken/half-done stuff all the time? And yes, not moaning guys on their inside I'm sure would like to see ALL that forgotten stuff fixed someway or other.
Cailais Amarr Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:03:00 - [128] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The time the fifth variation will be launched is dependant on the interest and pick-up of T3 ships. Would I have liked to have all five at M10? Of course? But considering the life time of assets in EVE, I want what goes in there to be polished and smooth rather than rushed so the decision was taken to focus on the three and make them awesome, which they certainly are. Bolded/italicized/underlined the important part. Seriously? It is critical that T3 be amazing and spectacular upon release, for every other aspect of the expansion rests on the success of T3 being interesting enough for the player base to pursue. If it's not, then there is no point in venturing into wspace for the parts to build T3, or developing production infrastructure to produce T3 ships. I agree 100% with Bellum on this. Let's face it the lack of the additional subsystems is a huge 'apocryphail' (sorry couldnt resist). Without the additional subsystems the whole variety and scope of the T3 cruisers becomes significantly 'meh'. What's stupifying is that t0rfifrans then comes back with 'we might not even do that if its not popular'. ?! So basically all that hype at Fan Fest was what? One gigantic marketing exercise? This news has totally dented my enthusiasm for what promised to be perhaps the best expansion in EVE's history. Not any more. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
MILK Monk Rytiri Lva R.U.R.	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:14:00 - [129] Edited by: MILK Monk on 26/02/2009 16:14:27 Originally by: Khalish Mo'Tashi ....There will be precisely 972 combinations .... This is one thousand less thirty-eight fail, pres win button+r, type "calc", use it again :) __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:22:00 - [130] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The time the fifth variation will be launched is dependant on the interest and pick-up of T3 ships. Would I have liked to have all five at M10? Of course? But considering the life time of assets in EVE, I want what goes in there to be polished and smooth rather than rushed so the decision was taken to focus on the three and make them awesome, which they certainly are. Bolded/italicized/underlined the important part. Seriously? It is critical that T3 be amazing and spectacular upon release, for every other aspect of the expansion rests on the success of T3 being interesting enough for the player base to pursue. If it's not, then there is no point in venturing into wspace for the parts to build T3, or developing production infrastructure to produce T3 ships. I agree 100% with Bellum on this. Let's face it the lack of the additional subsystems is a huge 'apocryphail' (sorry couldnt resist). Without the additional subsystems the whole variety and scope of the T3 cruisers becomes significantly 'meh'. What's stupifying is that t0rfifrans then comes back with 'we might not even do that if its not popular'. ?! So basically all that hype at Fan Fest was what? One gigantic marketing exercise? This news has totally dented my enthusiasm for what promised to be perhaps the best expansion in EVE's history. Not any more. C. I'll put it in simple terms for you: Reality happens. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Sarin Adler	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:34:00 - [131] Or marketing happens maybe?
Cailais Amarr Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:40:00 - [132] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The time the fifth variation will be launched is dependant on the interest and pick-up of T3 ships. Would I have liked to have all five at M10? Of course? But considering the life time of assets in EVE, I want what goes in there to be polished and smooth rather than rushed so the decision was taken to focus on the three and make them awesome, which they certainly are. Bolded/italicized/underlined the important part. Seriously? It is critical that T3 be amazing and spectacular upon release, for every other aspect of the expansion rests on the success of T3 being interesting enough for the player base to pursue. If it's not, then there is no point in venturing into wspace for the parts to build T3, or developing production infrastructure to produce T3 ships. I agree 100% with Bellum on this. Let's face it the lack of the additional subsystems is a huge 'apocryphail' (sorry couldnt resist). Without the additional subsystems the whole variety and scope of the T3 cruisers becomes significantly 'meh'. What's stupifying is that t0rfifrans then comes back with 'we might not even do that if its not popular'. ?! So basically all that hype at Fan Fest was what? One gigantic marketing exercise? This news has totally dented my enthusiasm for what promised to be perhaps the best expansion in EVE's history. Not any more. C. I'll put it in simple terms for you: Reality happens. Thankyou, I was having difficulty with the non simple terms. Suprising how often it happens around here though. tbh - I wouldnt be bothered about M10 being a scaled down expansion if I had any faith that the remaining elements were enroute within a few weeks. But everything in my experience with EVE suggests this will not be the case. T3 will remain as 3^5 subsystems. Sorry but I just hate seeing so much potential being wasted. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:41:00 - [133] It is reality, but it is also reality, that people aren't going to fly ships that are bad in comparison to other options. They also like to fly ships that fit certain roles. The better and more options CCP provides, the more interest there will be towards T3. The ONLY strength of T3 seems to be their breadth of options, so the more options CCP cuts, the less interesting these ships come>>less interest in wormholes>> less interest in produscing T3 and so on. CCP is the only one who can greatly influence the fate of T3. The novelty will carry them for some time, but after that there has to be some clear advantage of using them over the cheaper T2 specialized ships people have in their hangars. Those advantages can be greatly increase with the addition of the missing subsystems, so you can actually combine them to do several specialized things at the same time.
NeoTheo Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.26 16:46:00 - [134] Originally by: Verone It's pretty funny to watch the amount of whinging on these forums at times. Fact of the matter is, if CCP had decided to release all 5 and they were buggy and/or unbalanced, people would have complained. Conversely, if CCP had decided to cut back and only release three to focus on quality, which they have, then push the rest out in mini .xx patches for Apocrypha, then people would have complained, which they are. thats because there are a bunch of us STILL waiting on a 4th bonus for assault frigates, blackops not to suck arse and a bunch of other "lets fix this later" things. sorry V, we have become cynical over ccp's ability to revisit content later. - F-OFF - ExE

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