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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:09:00 - [1] If you allow OLD people with attributes below 5 to KEEP them below 5 on a respec, you should also allow NEW people to set those attributes just as low. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:12:00 - [2] well then majority achura will scream agian 60D GTC - shattared link
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:14:00 - [3] You mean, all OLD Achura will be happy they get to KEEP 3 charisma, while EVERYBODY ELSE (including all new players from M10 onwards) will cry bloody murder. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Kalintos Tyl Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:29:00 - [4] my reasearch/trading alt will be happy to keep 3 will and 4 perc and having max int and mem ;] 60D GTC - shattared link
Back Again Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.26 06:36:00 - [5] I have 3 accounts, this Civire, one Deteis and one Achura. All 3 Chars are from 2006, the achura (female, of course) is the newest one. Yeah, when I created her was exactly cuz that 3 charisma base, was not that I doubt I would pay that 3rd account and keep her training all these years. Maybe, one day, the Devs will create some awesome skills that have charisma as primary, who knows? I'm more happy with my 2 older Chars being able to get rid of high charisma and putting that extra points on something more useful than getting her a little more specialized. No signature here, only the bright light of a ship exploding right in front of me... Ohhh, wait, I'm in a pod!! It was my ship!!!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.26 07:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Akita T If you allow OLD people with attributes below 5 to KEEP them below 5 on a respec, you should also allow NEW people to set those attributes just as low. you can't, new people have to put that to 5. anyways... what the hell happen to the 5 points we would put in ourself? I'm cunfused... :( are new players getting 5 less points? I made a new characters and I'm pretty sure they are removing 5 points form new players.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.02.26 07:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Akita T If you allow OLD people with attributes below 5 to KEEP them below 5 on a respec, you should also allow NEW people to set those attributes just as low. Nah. If only to **** off all the Achura r3tards. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.26 07:20:00 - [8] Originally by: MotherMoon anyways... what the hell happen to the 5 points we would put in ourself? I'm cunfused... :( Everybody starts with an uniformized 8/8/8/8/7cha in M10. Quote: are new players getting 5 less points? No, the total base points are still 39. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.26 07:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Akita T If you allow OLD people with attributes below 5 to KEEP them below 5 on a respec, you should also allow NEW people to set those attributes just as low. Nah. If only to ** off all the Achura r3tards. I'm confused as to what you're trying to say. Are you saying we SHOULD allow everybody to get their attributes down to 3 ? Now, that WOULD upset the Achuras, but not that much since they don't actually lose anything. Or are you saying the respec should remain as it is now, with Achuras allowed to keep 3 charisma but nobody else (especially not the new players past M10) able to get Charisma down to 3 ? I fail to see how that would annoy Achuras. Maybe you saying we SHOULDN'T allow below-5 respecs at all, so that Achuras would have to rise Cha to 5 before they can respec ? You know, back how the first respec version was ? Well, it still doesn't annoy Achuras (they just don't respec if they don't want to), but it annoys everybody else. So which one is it ? _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK**
Rhohan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.26 07:32:00 - [10] They did it to see who would cry over spilt milk.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.26 08:41:00 - [11] Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/02/2009 08:41:42 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Akita T If you allow OLD people with attributes below 5 to KEEP them below 5 on a respec, you should also allow NEW people to set those attributes just as low. Nah. If only to **** off all the Achura r3tards. I'm confused as to what you're trying to say. Are you saying we SHOULD allow everybody to get their attributes down to 3 ? Now, that WOULD upset the Achuras, but not that much since they don't actually lose anything. Or are you saying the respec should remain as it is now, with Achuras allowed to keep 3 charisma but nobody else (especially not the new players past M10) able to get Charisma down to 3 ? I fail to see how that would annoy Achuras. Maybe you saying we SHOULDN'T allow below-5 respecs at all, so that Achuras would have to rise Cha to 5 before they can respec ? You know, back how the first respec version was ? Well, it still doesn't annoy Achuras (they just don't respec if they don't want to), but it annoys everybody else. So which one is it ? are you ignoring me or what? YOU CAN'T REPEC THEM. unless something changed you are not allowed to respec these characters.
Kytanos Termek Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.02.26 08:43:00 - [12] It's a good thing for most. Dont complain. Consider it a small reward for being a vet. Ive played eve for 3 years. and im glad i have recognition for that now in some small way.
Rhohan Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:00:00 - [13] Originally by: MotherMoon are you ignoring me or what? YOU CAN'T REPEC THEM. unless something changed you are not allowed to respec these characters. I've been able to respec my Super Achura Alt for the last several Sisi builds. Actually, I've always been able to, except at one point I think it was broke for everyone. Its nice to be able to leap tall buildings, and bump cap ships with a simple thought, from 219.47 km away. Why would you want to nerf the Achura?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Rhohan Originally by: MotherMoon are you ignoring me or what? YOU CAN'T REPEC THEM. unless something changed you are not allowed to respec these characters. I've been able to respec my Super Achura Alt for the last several Sisi builds. Actually, I've always been able to, except at one point I think it was broke for everyone. Its nice to be able to leap tall buildings, and bump cap ships with a simple thought, from 219.47 km away. Why would you want to nerf the Achura? maybe it's bugged now then? wierd nvm, carry on.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:30:00 - [15] Originally by: MotherMoon are you ignoring me or what? YOU CAN'T REPEC THEM. unless something changed you are not allowed to respec these characters. That's precisely what I'm saying, that respeccing was allegedly changed on one of the few recent SiSi updates to ALLOW you to respec while keeping any of the existing sub-5 attributes below 5. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: MotherMoon are you ignoring me or what? YOU CAN'T REPEC THEM. unless something changed you are not allowed to respec these characters. That's precisely what I'm saying, that respeccing was allegedly changed on one of the few recent SiSi updates to ALLOW you to respec while keeping any of the existing sub-5 attributes below 5. rgr I was mislead.
Jettisoned Can THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.26 09:59:00 - [17] As long as they don't force Achura and Amarr Amarrs to respec, I'm happy with what I've got. (3 cha/7/7/7/15 willpower Amarr Amarr, and 3 cha/various other stats Achura) And why is it that everyone only complains about Achura? Amarr Amarr have always been able to get <3 cha. (and >15 willpower too) _________________________ Did you really not have enough room for me? I'm only 1m.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.26 11:13:00 - [18] Hey, I'm not complaining for myself... I'm a 9/9/9/9/3cha Achura ffs, so the CURRENT respec version is actually quite damned awesome for me. I'm complaining for the people that start past M10, that have 8/8/8/8/7cha as uniform starter attributes, and will NEVER be able to pick a base-3-charisma char (or below-5-anything, for that matter). I could, for instance, respec to 15/11/5/5/3cha on any attribute pair that matters (screw charisma, I don't want mindlinks anyway on my char, you have alts for that) instead of 15/9/5/5/5 like most others could Great for me, sucks and unfair for them. I very much hate having an unfair advantage... but I WILL take that unfair advantage if offered, no matter how much I hate having it. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Cadde Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.02.26 20:12:00 - [19] BUMPAGE, i would like to know as well. Or i am going to scrap all the needless alts i have and create achuras on all my accounts just so i have options. Are you even aware of this CCP? Please just make a reply saying you are. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.26 22:54:00 - [20] Yeah, the nasty thing is we don't even know whether it's a bug or a feature. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Imertu Solientai	Posted - 2009.02.26 23:41:00 - [21] Tbh I'd like to see all achura have 1 point knocked off each of their 2 highest attributes and these put into charisma. The 5 limit is for a good reason: to prevent people from completely min/maxing their characters.
Cadde Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.02.27 08:40:00 - [22] Bump again, still waiting for an official reply. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.02.27 09:14:00 - [23] I would love to set my cha to 3. Or even 0 ;) - I do have learning skills to give me some cha afterall.
Flinchey Amarr	Posted - 2009.02.27 09:39:00 - [24] CCP be balanced screw the whiney achuras etc, with their 3 attribs, and bring them up to 5 like everyone else, just like new players (REMEMBER: you're doing this attribute thing to make the game fairer to new players. REMEMBER) or allow all player to <5 their attributes one or the other CCP.

CCP Chiliad	Posted - 2009.02.27 11:44:00 - [25] Neural Remap requirement of attribute minimum of 5 is intended. The system will not allow old characters to retain attributes below 5 after a remap. Sorry if the bug on SiSi has caused confusion.

Reatu Krentor Minmatar Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.27 12:01:00 - [26] CCP could be bastards and remove the attribute boosting learning skills and for all pre-M10 character to get them back they have to go through the remapping process -- stuff --
ITTigerClawIK Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2009.02.27 12:01:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Chiliad Neural Remap requirement of attribute minimum of 5 is intended. The system will not allow old characters to retain attributes below 5 after a remap. Sorry if the bug on SiSi has caused confusion. i really dont see any point to this minimum of 5 imho i can see a point to a minimum of 1 and not removing the attribute compleatly but maybe i didnt give my char +5 charisma for a reason >_> Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2009.02.27 12:17:00 - [28] What is the point of everyone starting with the same stats? That's half the fun of designing a new char and picking the race/bloodline/school that suits your goals. I guess I'm glad my stats as an Achura are fine, although training tycoon 5 on base 3 charisma was a chore, it wasn't the end of the world.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.27 12:25:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Chiliad Neural Remap requirement of attribute minimum of 5 is intended. The system will not allow old characters to retain attributes below 5 after a remap. Sorry if the bug on SiSi has caused confusion. Woooot ? And i was already looking forward to train combat skills with my Perception 33 / Willpower 28 If you force us to be more charismatic, can we have a face revamp in exchange ? P.S. Damn you Aktia T, why couldn't you just kept silence ? Aren't you Achura yourself ? Dam traitor !
Mohenna	Posted - 2009.02.27 13:28:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Chiliad Neural Remap requirement of attribute minimum of 5 is intended. Why would I want charisma? I am a lab rat. For minmaxing AND for roleplaying!
Aya Sin	Posted - 2009.02.27 14:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Mohenna Why would I want charisma? I am a lab rat. For minmaxing AND for roleplaying! You're probably a cute lab rat and no matter how hard you try to be an ass, people still like you.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.27 14:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: CCP Chiliad Neural Remap requirement of attribute minimum of 5 is intended. The system will not allow old characters to retain attributes below 5 after a remap. Sorry if the bug on SiSi has caused confusion. Woooot ? And i was already looking forward to train combat skills with my Perception 33 / Willpower 28 If you force us to be more charismatic, can we have a face revamp in exchange ? Exactly who is forcing you to remap your attributes? ...
Cadde Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.02.27 14:59:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Chiliad Neural Remap requirement of attribute minimum of 5 is intended. The system will not allow old characters to retain attributes below 5 after a remap. Sorry if the bug on SiSi has caused confusion. With that, the achura race (including Amarr->Religious Reaclaimers) will be the only old characters with charisma 3 after apocrypha. In fact, it will be IMPOSSIBLE to create a character with only 3 in charisma AFTER apocrypha. For those that doesn't want a character with peaks but rather a nice 99993 stat they will lose their ability to every get that after release, and only way to get a char like that will be to buy it from someone who created it before patch. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.02.27 15:14:00 - [34] How do you do a balanced 99993 character today ? _________________ - Rivqua - --- R.E.P.O. ---
Ydyp Ieva Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.02.27 15:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Rivqua How do you do a balanced 99993 character today ? As of M10 you can't anymore. If you already have one achura balanced around that and don't use the redistribution you will keep that base of 99993. But currently the redistribution is bugged on sisi so they can keep it even when they use the function. ----------------------------------
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.27 17:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Razin Exactly who is forcing you to remap your attributes? Common sense + the fact, that a remap saves me 3-4 hours on the relevant skills.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.27 18:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Razin Exactly who is forcing you to remap your attributes? Common sense + the fact, that a remap saves me 3-4 hours on the relevant skills. If it's common sense to get 5 in charisma to receive those benefits, what are you *****ing about? ...
Elaron Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.27 19:14:00 - [38] Originally by: Razin If it's common sense to get 5 in charisma to receive those benefits, what are you *****ing about? He probably feels 'cheated' of two points that he feels 'entitled' to.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.27 19:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Razin If it's common sense to get 5 in charisma to receive those benefits, what are you ***ing about? Are you somewhat ****ed ? My first posts shows clearly what i meant. And now stop quoting my posts and go end yourself (in game).
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.02.27 20:08:00 - [40] Are people that obsessed about min-maxing that they are going to lose sleep over having to have 5 Charisma as opposed to 3? I made the mistake of picking Achura without even knowing about the 9/9/9/9/3 "trick", but to be honest I could give less of a crap about not being 100% points-efficient - I really don't see it as that big a deal?
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.02.27 20:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Are you somewhat ******ed ? My first posts shows clearly what i meant. And now stop quoting my posts and go end yourself (in game). You complained about being forced to have you charisma raised to 5. I commented on this. You were offended at being shown to be whining about nothing. That's clear. What's also clear is that getting personal over it shows a serious weakness in your argument, among other things. ...
Cadde Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.02.27 20:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Durzel Are people that obsessed about min-maxing that they are going to lose sleep over having to have 5 Charisma as opposed to 3? I made the mistake of picking Achura without even knowing about the 9/9/9/9/3 "trick", but to be honest I could give less of a crap about not being 100% points-efficient - I really don't see it as that big a deal? I am not losing any sleep over it but it concerns me that those who started with charisma 3 will be the only people who will EVER be able to have charisma 3 in the future. To me it feels as disturbing as the T2 lottery, i didn't start playing eve when that existed so my only chance of ever seeing a good T2 BPO is long gone. Unless CCP starts seeding T2 BPO's which they said the invention system is for. It leaves some at a greater advantage just because they happened to join a few months earlier. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
PAcifisti Rionnag Alba	Posted - 2009.02.27 23:07:00 - [43] It's all part of the great Eve-Unfair. Since when did eve become a fair game? T2 bpo lottery was a prime example of this. How many of those that are currently "filthy rich" started off with a good t2 bpo they got by sheer luck from the old lottery? I would guess quite high if not 100%. Or how it's always someone else who finds that iteron III autopiloting through highsec/lowsec/0.0 carrying 50b of implants? Such is life (and EVE). (But as our friendly dev pointed out it's a bug and not intented achura booster) You can never understand the Pain
miss vix Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.27 23:32:00 - [44] Sounds like some people what their cake and eat it too I love this new system and thank CCP for finally bringing Lord of the Attr. to heel. A more balanced game for all and not just for Lord Joe cos he started back in 2006. moan moan moan.... The new system will be good for all the +5 base is a master stroke, stopping these ultra fast CHR: from being cloned. :p and I'm not trolling..... I want you x xx x
Cadde Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.02.28 14:41:00 - [45] Edited by: Cadde on 28/02/2009 14:41:42 Originally by: Cadde Originally by: CCP Chiliad Neural Remap requirement of attribute minimum of 5 is intended. The system will not allow old characters to retain attributes below 5 after a remap. Sorry if the bug on SiSi has caused confusion. With that, the achura race (including Amarr->Religious Reaclaimers) will be the only old characters with charisma 3 after apocrypha. In fact, it will be IMPOSSIBLE to create a character with only 3 in charisma AFTER apocrypha. For those that doesn't want a character with peaks but rather a nice 99993 stat they will lose their ability to every get that after release, and only way to get a char like that will be to buy it from someone who created it before patch. BUMP: Can a dev confirm that achuras will be ABLE to keep their charisma 3 after apocrypha? EDIT: That is if they decide NOT to remap. My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!

CCP Chiliad	Posted - 2009.02.28 14:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Cadde BUMP: Can a dev confirm that achuras will be ABLE to keep their charisma 3 after apocrypha? EDIT: That is if they decide NOT to remap. Yes, Achuras can keep their Charisma 3 as long they dont remap. If you're happy with your attributes and dont think you'd benefit from a remap, we're not forcing you to use the Neural Remapping.

MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.28 14:46:00 - [47] Originally by: miss vix Sounds like some people what their cake and eat it too I love this new system and thank CCP for finally bringing Lord of the Attr. to heel. A more balanced game for all and not just for Lord Joe cos he started back in 2006. moan moan moan.... The new system will be good for all the +5 base is a master stroke, stopping these ultra fast CHR: from being cloned. :p and I'm not trolling..... nothing will change, in fact these CNR pilots will pop out much faster. because the new system is messed up. train 4/2 learning skills. plug in +4 implants. your now at 500,000 sp and have 23-32 attributes 46-64 attributes with the double rate. you now get 1,100,000 sp left in which you can learn at about 5,000 to 6,000 sp an hour. Getting you into a CNR in maybe... 1 week? with meh skills? (you only need meh in missions) I'm not doing math tonight, this is part speculation. What I do know is in 2 weeks new players can train at 4 times the rate an older player can. we'll have mission alts flying CNRs all over the damn place.
Terra Mikael SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.03.01 13:57:00 - [48] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: miss vix we'll have mission alts flying CNRs all over the damn place. And that doesn't happen already? ________________________________ Originally by: Korovyov You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.
Caliph Scorpionsting Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.02 05:46:00 - [49] So, this is only a precursor to the "Make charisma worth even having at 1 point" patch, right?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.03.02 06:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Terra Mikael Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: miss vix we'll have mission alts flying CNRs all over the damn place. And that doesn't happen already? my point was more to the perosn who said we now woudln't have cnr alts. : ) also new player have to train learning skills or they they ****ed over out of 8 months of sp. yes I've done th math, the new pay off during double learning rate is 4 times less than when not in double rate. So if it would of taken 5 months for those 4/3 learnings skills to pay off, it now takes 1 month. So if you play longer than 1 month you have to learn learning learning skills or everyone that did train them will catch up to you in sp-learning. Am I sayign that right? for one month after training learning skills you'll be behind in effective sp (meaning not counting learning skills) but now woith double learning you gain those sp at double rate, plus you halfed your time to learn learning skills. Meaning it's times 4. so yeah even more reason for new players to waste 3 weeks learning learning skills! here is the basic fact, during double training time, with implanst at +3/4 you will get basic to 4. and advanced to 3 in 3 weeks. After your double sp rate is done this will take you 3 months. as you lose the double rate at wehich you gain more sp gaining ability and you lose the double rate. so 3 weks or 3 months later. that is new question all new players must ask themselfs. so yeah you HAVE to train learning skills or you'll have to take 2 more months training them later than you had too, and you'll earn sp at 1/4th the rate even before you have to train learning skills in 3 months instead of 3 weeks.
FOSX1	Posted - 2009.03.03 11:47:00 - [51] Is everyone in this 2 cents company that can calculate my attributes yes i'm achura :) My attributes are 26.40 per 26.40 will 26.40 mem 26.40 int 19.80 cha I have cha at 3 1. I can't take out points from charisma 2. If i put points in charisma after neural remapp i will be able to take out points till minimum 3 like it was before ? 3. If i put points in charisma useing neural remapp it will activate the rest of19.80 ? and after i will be able to take out more points from charisma and spend them in something else ? 4. What the hell is hard to explain how math works ? 5. In my case i have to put 2 points in charisma to have a minimum 5 and wait one year to do the next neural remapp. We have a prob here . Fix the damm thing cause it sucks 6. I think all the peeps should have 2 neural remapps like the new caracters 7. I did one neural remapp on test server and now i can't make more experiments NoT even on the damm f u c k i n g server
Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2009.03.09 19:12:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Chiliad If you're happy with your attributes and dont think you'd benefit from a remap, we're not forcing you to use the Neural Remapping. I'm not happy because my OCD says I'm not happy with my current ones. My OCD also suggest I would not be happy with 2 extra wasted points in Crapisma, what happens now? -----

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