Lots of Rookies join player corps almost right away, for better or worse..
So what about a week old player in a Player corp in a Rookie system that's a valid WT ? Or even not a valid WT, but just someone in a corp that your corp routinely fights with ?

When i see a rookie mining in a rookie system into his little can I leave him be. If a corp of players mining into a can with orca support and a drake bobbing about in the same system for so called protection. You can bet your sweet manly hairy ass I'm making that can mine.

If I get a warning for that, that is a bit ********. The last time I was in a rookie system I had a Navy Apoc and a Oracle on me.

Lot of reading comprehension fails in this thread. OP clearly said she's NOT actively griefing newbs, but wants to know if it's ok to kill a newb who does something that deserves it (like stealing her stuff whens he's minding her own business).

Seems like a valid question to me.

How hard is the whole concept for you people?
Are you really that daft as to need a handheld manual as what is possible and what not?

Eve is either a sandbox or it's not. There really is no middle ground.
The moment devs begin to make exceptions to a fundamental element of a mmorpg they have (historically speaking) made more and more changes that tended to make the mmorpg pretty generic.
I know we are getting many players here that are bored of their other games so I guess for some reason it's inevitable that they try and turn this game into what they are used to. That seems to be what most of the posters here want so more power to you.
May as well make starter systems pvp free and get it over with. Just take the roids out to make it somewhat fair.

I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.

If you are not a rookie, why are you in a rookie system?

there are 12 rookie systems

But what if somebody is hulk jet can mining to help rookies earn isk?

Are you saying we can no longer help rookies in their starter systems?

Are you saying you're not turning the cans blue? 'Cause if you aren't sounds like you're baiting....

Are you saying you're not turning the cans blue? 'Cause if you aren't sounds like you're baiting....

See, there are different kind of rules. The hard ones and the vague ones and each have a purpose.
If you state a rule somewhat vague you purposefully leave a grey area. Within this area, it is up to the police/judge/GM to decide whether you broke the rule or not.
The effect of this is a certain uncertainty, which may appear as a bad thing but often really isn't. Since the goal here is to avoid people walking the line, to push the limits, to find loopholes. On the other hand, it allows GM to show leniance, too. (Also, vague rules are used, when it's very difficult to actually define the limits objectively).

And you have these kind of rules/laws in real life, too.
"Don't drive in a way that recklessly endangers other traffic participants" - "Wait, what classifies as reckless driving?" - "Don't push it, man!"
If you would define "recklessly" by setting limits for speed, acceleration, deviation from the road center, and whatsnot, you'd leave loopholes. Of course, hard rules have a purpose aswell, as they make it easy to deal with obvious cases and are less prone to subjective judgement.

So back to topic:
If you are in a rookie system and in a situation where you wonder "Is this a rookie now or not?", it should be clear that as soon as you have valid cause to even ask this question, the safe course of action is to leave it be. It's a about common sense, really.
Of course you can still ask that question, answer it for yourself as good as you can, but when acting accordingly, you willingly accept the risk that goes along with that. Eve, consequences and stuff ;)

The rule is "do not mess with rookies", and if you are in doubt the answer is ALWAYS 'do not do it'.

okay so i get the "dont mess with the rookies period" point, but is pvp still allowed in the system? like for example can you pvp with someone who isnt a rookie in that system?

I dont pvp in rookie systems but when i would go to them i would see people pvping outside the staton who arent rookies

I'm not sure admitting your an incompetent player that can only handle noobs is something you want to post here.....

This is the 'reckless driving' equivalent. If I define the rules to the last dot someone will simply find a loop hole and use it.

Reckless is vague, like Mess with. Given.

But the law defines what Driving is :p So should it define a Rookie imho.


And honestly.. if you want to protect Rookies, the Rookie systems idea is flawed.
What should be done is some way to flag them, like give them a Blue icon [ Red is evil, Yellow did some time, Green if your corpmate.. Blue can be Rookie ] .. And make them protected in all of Highsec. A few training missions themselves have newbies leaving the "safety" of a rookie system, not to mention you have to go from the Starter system to the Career Agent system, where I have seen baitcans on the gates along that route before.

So give them serious protection. Make it so for them to get Aggro [ aka stealing, providing RR, etc. ] they have to jump through hoops and give up the rookie protection.. rather than just a single warning popup that apparently 90% of newbies hit okay too without reading lol..


This would give them, say, 30 days [ Same amount of time you are in Rookie Help ] of protection everywhere in highsec. And give all other players a visual indication not to mess with them.

Note that dropping your property into space in a rookie system is not a bright idea. If a rookie gets curious ad takes from the can you had better not shoot him. You do not want a rookie to nab your stuff, do not drop the stuff in a rookie system.

Warning: Can Flipping in Rookie Systems is considered Griefing.

Can flipping / baiting

This refers to the practice of (ab)using the Criminal Flagging System to cause a fight between yourself and an unsuspecting party in high-security space. See main article for more.

Can flipping is officially considered griefing only in Rookie Systems. Some people do it just for fun, without the actual intent to cause the feelings of harassment and frustration in the victim. It is, however, also a typical form of griefing in the classic sense.

Reckless is vague, like Mess with. Given.

But the law defines what Driving is :p So should it define a Rookie imho.


And honestly.. if you want to protect Rookies, the Rookie systems idea is flawed.
What should be done is some way to flag them, like give them a Blue icon [ Red is evil, Yellow did some time, Green if your corpmate.. Blue can be Rookie ] .. And make them protected in all of Highsec. A few training missions themselves have newbies leaving the "safety" of a rookie system, not to mention you have to go from the Starter system to the Career Agent system, where I have seen baitcans on the gates along that route before.

So give them serious protection. Make it so for them to get Aggro [ aka stealing, providing RR, etc. ] they have to jump through hoops and give up the rookie protection.. rather than just a single warning popup that apparently 90% of newbies hit okay too without reading lol..


This would give them, say, 30 days [ Same amount of time you are in Rookie Help ] of protection everywhere in highsec. And give all other players a visual indication not to mess with them.

Some people think I'm kind of a degenerate for the way I approach piracy. I loot wrecks and salvage them at fights I'm not involved in, and mainly prey on haulers (and cyno frigs when I'm bored). If people come ready to fight I typically run. It's fine... the world needs bottom feeders too.

I feel a lot better knowing there are rungs on the food chain beneath even me. Why do you even care about rookies? They have no ISK, they have lame noob ships and T1 frigs, never drop anything remotely decent, and don't even know how to fly around in space let alone fight. It's moronic to mess with them. Congrats, Sentinel Smith... you are the biggest looser.

Wait, isn't Jita a rookie system?