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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Shiakarma
I said "payout", set the payout at the same amount which you paid for the ship. The insurance cost would be the same percentage of the payout as it is for every other ship (about 25% is it for platinum?).
Still will not work.
You pay 15 million for it, insurance is 25%(3.5 million). you get back 15 million so a loss of 3.5 million.
So the manufactures sells it to his mate for 30 million insurance is 7.5 million cost to build is 5million(not sure just a random number) profit to builder is 25 million guy splits that with his mate covering the 7.5 million insurance so the total made each is 8.75million each.
Selling for more would only increase the profit.
If my maths are correct.
I thought these guys made enough off them as it is at least this way they sell them to us. You way we would never see them.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:17:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Shiakarma
I said "payout", set the payout at the same amount which you paid for the ship. The insurance cost would be the same percentage of the payout as it is for every other ship (about 25% is it for platinum?).
Still will not work.
You pay 15 million for it, insurance is 25%(3.5 million). you get back 15 million so a loss of 3.5 million.
So the manufactures sells it to his mate for 30 million insurance is 7.5 million cost to build is 5million(not sure just a random number) profit to builder is 25 million guy splits that with his mate covering the 7.5 million insurance so the total made each is 8.75million each.
Selling for more would only increase the profit.
If my maths are correct.
I thought these guys made enough off them as it is at least this way they sell them to us. You way we would never see them.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Qutsemnie on 11/08/2004 13:21:21
30% for platinum but that didnt change the value of his point.
Right now people are willing to pay 15 million for the value of using a crow until it is destroyed. Say they raise insurance to a 15 million payoff with a 5 million insurance fee. Now the same people that were willing to pay 15 million for the value of a crow are willing to pay 25 million for the value of a crow + 10 million dollars in pay off. Theres no reason they wouldnt. You might have some stubborn people but the value of using a crow isnt the same after you add insurance.
Ultimately though the 15 million in insurance would prolly induce more firms to produce but then you would always be paying out 5 million in losses till the end of time to fly a crow as the price would be floored at roughly its insured value. Also it would be a tad inflationary.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Qutsemnie on 11/08/2004 13:21:21
30% for platinum but that didnt change the value of his point.
Right now people are willing to pay 15 million for the value of using a crow until it is destroyed. Say they raise insurance to a 15 million payoff with a 5 million insurance fee. Now the same people that were willing to pay 15 million for the value of a crow are willing to pay 25 million for the value of a crow + 10 million dollars in pay off. Theres no reason they wouldnt. You might have some stubborn people but the value of using a crow isnt the same after you add insurance.
Ultimately though the 15 million in insurance would prolly induce more firms to produce but then you would always be paying out 5 million in losses till the end of time to fly a crow as the price would be floored at roughly its insured value. Also it would be a tad inflationary.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:22:00 -
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Interceptors are a luxury really compared to most figates, better overall but still not so far out of reach regular frigates cant compete when flown by somone with a brain cell.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:22:00 -
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Interceptors are a luxury really compared to most figates, better overall but still not so far out of reach regular frigates cant compete when flown by somone with a brain cell.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Redundancy
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:24:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Shiakarma
I said "payout", set the payout at the same amount which you paid for the ship. The insurance cost would be the same percentage of the payout as it is for every other ship (about 25% is it for platinum?).
Player 1 builds a ship for 1 grobble (a fictional currency invented for this example).
Player 2, working with Player 1, buys the ship off the market for 20 grobbles (far above what most people think it is worth).
Player 1 now has +19 grobbles, Player 2 now has -20 grobbles.
Player 2 gets the ship blown up, and recieves, say 19 grobbles insurance (95% insurance).
Player 1 gives Player 2 back 19 grobbles that he made in sale profit, and now Player 1 is back where he started, but Player 2 has -20+19+19 grobbles, which would be 18 grobbles profit.
Even taking out 25% of 20 grobbles for insurance (5 grobbles) Player 2 has made money out of nothing.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:24:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Shiakarma
I said "payout", set the payout at the same amount which you paid for the ship. The insurance cost would be the same percentage of the payout as it is for every other ship (about 25% is it for platinum?).
Player 1 builds a ship for 1 grobble (a fictional currency invented for this example).
Player 2, working with Player 1, buys the ship off the market for 20 grobbles (far above what most people think it is worth).
Player 1 now has +19 grobbles, Player 2 now has -20 grobbles.
Player 2 gets the ship blown up, and recieves, say 19 grobbles insurance (95% insurance).
Player 1 gives Player 2 back 19 grobbles that he made in sale profit, and now Player 1 is back where he started, but Player 2 has -20+19+19 grobbles, which would be 18 grobbles profit.
Even taking out 25% of 20 grobbles for insurance (5 grobbles) Player 2 has made money out of nothing.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Qutsemnie on 11/08/2004 14:13:45
Its interesting.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Qutsemnie on 11/08/2004 14:13:45
Its interesting.
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Sahshioh
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:39:00 -
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Redundancy, can i have your grobbles?
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Sahshioh
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:39:00 -
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Redundancy, can i have your grobbles?
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:44:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Redundancy
Player 1 builds a ship for 1 grobble (a fictional currency invented for this example).
Player 2, working with Player 1, buys the ship off the market for 20 grobbles (far above what most people think it is worth).
Player 1 now has +19 grobbles, Player 2 now has -20 grobbles.
Player 2 gets the ship blown up, and recieves, say 19 grobbles insurance (95% insurance).
Player 1 gives Player 2 back 19 grobbles that he made in sale profit, and now Player 1 is back where he started, but Player 2 has -20+19+19 grobbles, which would be 18 grobbles profit.
Even taking out 25% of 20 grobbles for insurance (5 grobbles) Player 2 has made money out of nothing.
There is always one who steals your thunder(and explains it better than me )
Just think yourself lucky your a dev!! 
Note. Joke, sorry Mr Redundancy sir.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:44:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Redundancy
Player 1 builds a ship for 1 grobble (a fictional currency invented for this example).
Player 2, working with Player 1, buys the ship off the market for 20 grobbles (far above what most people think it is worth).
Player 1 now has +19 grobbles, Player 2 now has -20 grobbles.
Player 2 gets the ship blown up, and recieves, say 19 grobbles insurance (95% insurance).
Player 1 gives Player 2 back 19 grobbles that he made in sale profit, and now Player 1 is back where he started, but Player 2 has -20+19+19 grobbles, which would be 18 grobbles profit.
Even taking out 25% of 20 grobbles for insurance (5 grobbles) Player 2 has made money out of nothing.
There is always one who steals your thunder(and explains it better than me)
Just think yourself lucky your a dev!!
Note. Joke, sorry Mr Redundancy sir.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:46:00 -
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Oh, sorry, didn't see your example when I was writing mine. 
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:46:00 -
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Oh, sorry, didn't see your example when I was writing mine.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:49:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Redundancy
Oh, sorry, didn't see your example when I was writing mine.
I will let you off this time, just don't let it happen again.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:49:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Redundancy
Oh, sorry, didn't see your example when I was writing mine.
I will let you off this time, just don't let it happen again.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Shiakarma
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:18:00 -
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If it only costs 1 grobble to build a ship and the guy sells it for 20 grobbles heÆs surely making money for nothing anyway?
Computer games don't affect children. If PacMan had affected us as kids then we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music. |
Shiakarma
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:18:00 -
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If it only costs 1 grobble to build a ship and the guy sells it for 20 grobbles heÆs surely making money for nothing anyway?
Computer games don't affect children. If PacMan had affected us as kids then we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music. |
Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:23:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Shiakarma
If it only costs 1 grobble to build a ship and the guy sells it for 20 grobbles heÆs surely making money for nothing anyway?
Except he's not really selling it for 20 grobbles, that's just what the receipt shows. He gives his mate back 19 of those grobbles, give or take his 'commission' and...
...Bah, it's explained above clear enough. If you can't understand it, there's no helping you.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:23:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Shiakarma
If it only costs 1 grobble to build a ship and the guy sells it for 20 grobbles heÆs surely making money for nothing anyway?
Except he's not really selling it for 20 grobbles, that's just what the receipt shows. He gives his mate back 19 of those grobbles, give or take his 'commission' and...
...Bah, it's explained above clear enough. If you can't understand it, there's no helping you.
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shiakarma
If it only costs 1 grobble to build a ship and the guy sells it for 20 grobbles heÆs surely making money for nothing anyway?
He used a poor example with small numbers that actually looks legit if you're talking about a 20 Million ISK Crow, the fact is you can almost double wallet by doing this once.
My Examples
Example 4 is the most extreme case where Player 1 gave all his money to Player 2 before starting the 'exploit' 2 Billion isk becomes nearly 4 Billion. 
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shiakarma
If it only costs 1 grobble to build a ship and the guy sells it for 20 grobbles heÆs surely making money for nothing anyway?
He used a poor example with small numbers that actually looks legit if you're talking about a 20 Million ISK Crow, the fact is you can almost double wallet by doing this once.
My Examples
Example 4 is the most extreme case where Player 1 gave all his money to Player 2 before starting the 'exploit' 2 Billion isk becomes nearly 4 Billion.
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Shiakarma
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:48:00 -
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lol why is everyone misinterpreting what I'm saying today? 
I know you're only going to it's simple supply and demand but what I meant was that a profit of 2000% is pretty much money for nothing and a sploit in itself 
Computer games don't affect children. If PacMan had affected us as kids then we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music. |
Shiakarma
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:48:00 -
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lol why is everyone misinterpreting what I'm saying today?
I know you're only going to it's simple supply and demand but what I meant was that a profit of 2000% is pretty much money for nothing and a sploit in itself
Computer games don't affect children. If PacMan had affected us as kids then we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music. |
Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shiakarma
lol why is everyone misinterpreting what I'm saying today?
I know you're only going to it's simple supply and demand but what I meant was that a profit of 2000% is pretty much money for nothing and a sploit in itself
Trust what the figures say, with your 25% of cost of purchase insurance there is no need to sell just get a mate and its money for nothing.
The only way it can work is to have a base figure for a ship which it currently is now. The market dictates what price you pay for the ship so insurance will not cover costs.
CCP can't change it(unless they up reactor drops, but then that just screws the market totally), individules can't change it. Unless there was a mass non buy of inty throughout Eve then it won't stop.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.08.11 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shiakarma
lol why is everyone misinterpreting what I'm saying today?
I know you're only going to it's simple supply and demand but what I meant was that a profit of 2000% is pretty much money for nothing and a sploit in itself
Trust what the figures say, with your 25% of cost of purchase insurance there is no need to sell just get a mate and its money for nothing.
The only way it can work is to have a base figure for a ship which it currently is now. The market dictates what price you pay for the ship so insurance will not cover costs.
CCP can't change it(unless they up reactor drops, but then that just screws the market totally), individules can't change it. Unless there was a mass non buy of inty throughout Eve then it won't stop.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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stinky fecker
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Posted - 2004.08.11 15:00:00 -
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can we please replace ISK with Grobbles in the next patch?
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stinky fecker
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Posted - 2004.08.11 15:00:00 -
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can we please replace ISK with Grobbles in the next patch?
thanks |
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