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Redundancy	Posted - 2004.08.11 17:19:00 - [91] He's not making money for nothing if he sells it normally, because another player loses money in the transaction. In the method outlined above, two players working together starting with X grobbles and the ability to produce a ship in the example, are creating X grobbles out of thin air each time, minus the ever-relatively-decreasing cost of producing the insured ship (you might as well do it with a newbie ship that's free that you sell to a friend). Each doubling in their cash would allow them to double the money in the scheme, providing them with exponential cash growth. You'd wipe out the eve economy with inflation in a matter of hours, if not less.
Redundancy	Posted - 2004.08.11 17:19:00 - [92] He's not making money for nothing if he sells it normally, because another player loses money in the transaction. In the method outlined above, two players working together starting with X grobbles and the ability to produce a ship in the example, are creating X grobbles out of thin air each time, minus the ever-relatively-decreasing cost of producing the insured ship (you might as well do it with a newbie ship that's free that you sell to a friend). Each doubling in their cash would allow them to double the money in the scheme, providing them with exponential cash growth. You'd wipe out the eve economy with inflation in a matter of hours, if not less.
Hakera	Posted - 2004.08.11 17:31:00 - [93] I think insurance must get more complex, you need to introduce either player run insurance or make a no claims discount or multiple claims modifier. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.08.11 17:31:00 - [94] I think insurance must get more complex, you need to introduce either player run insurance or make a no claims discount or multiple claims modifier. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Qutsemnie	Posted - 2004.08.11 17:33:00 - [95] If interceptors could be made fast enough to use that "exploit" there wouldnt be an issue of scarcity in the first place.
Qutsemnie	Posted - 2004.08.11 17:33:00 - [96] If interceptors could be made fast enough to use that "exploit" there wouldnt be an issue of scarcity in the first place.
Redundancy	Posted - 2004.08.11 17:50:00 - [97] Originally by: Qutsemnie If interceptors could be made fast enough to use that "exploit" there wouldnt be an issue of scarcity in the first place. who says you'd need to do it with interceptors though? if that were a general form of new insurance you could mass produce any normal frigate and get the same results.
Redundancy	Posted - 2004.08.11 17:50:00 - [98] Originally by: Qutsemnie If interceptors could be made fast enough to use that "exploit" there wouldnt be an issue of scarcity in the first place. who says you'd need to do it with interceptors though? if that were a general form of new insurance you could mass produce any normal frigate and get the same results.
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.11 18:55:00 - [99] If this is how it's going to be with insurable Tech II stuff, and CCP just ignores it, it's total crap... What a fubar'ed setup... Can't believe there is a DEV in here defending it too, what a joke... Builders should not be able to make 2000% if they are going to put something on the market... There may be a few dumb asses willing to pay that stupid markup, but that should not destroy insurance on that ship for the entire EVE community... Wake up DEVS! You'd think the SCC would step in and stop the price gouging now b4 it happens to any ship that is not NPC produced as well... Total BS CCP... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.11 18:55:00 - [100] If this is how it's going to be with insurable Tech II stuff, and CCP just ignores it, it's total crap... What a fubar'ed setup... Can't believe there is a DEV in here defending it too, what a joke... Builders should not be able to make 2000% if they are going to put something on the market... There may be a few dumb asses willing to pay that stupid markup, but that should not destroy insurance on that ship for the entire EVE community... Wake up DEVS! You'd think the SCC would step in and stop the price gouging now b4 it happens to any ship that is not NPC produced as well... Total BS CCP... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Orestes	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:00:00 - [101] One could argue that none of the Corporations building Tech II items have any contracts with SCC and are therefore more then justified in asking whatever they want. Join the IC!
Orestes	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:00:00 - [102] One could argue that none of the Corporations building Tech II items have any contracts with SCC and are therefore more then justified in asking whatever they want. Join the IC!
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:03:00 - [103] Quote: One could argue that none of the Corporations building Tech II items have any contracts with SCC and are therefore more then justified in asking whatever they want. HAHA O, you're real clever... Fine, just let this problem stew... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:03:00 - [104] Quote: One could argue that none of the Corporations building Tech II items have any contracts with SCC and are therefore more then justified in asking whatever they want. HAHA O, you're real clever... Fine, just let this problem stew... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Orestes	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:08:00 - [105] There's no problem at all. Only possible insurance you could hope for is Mineral cost + Component Mineral cost + NPC Trade good price. That number will never be close to the actual cost, there's no predicting what player-built items are going to cost. So, if you want to fly an Elite Frigate (or any T II ship, i think), better be prepared to cry when it's destroyed Join the IC!
Orestes	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:08:00 - [106] There's no problem at all. Only possible insurance you could hope for is Mineral cost + Component Mineral cost + NPC Trade good price. That number will never be close to the actual cost, there's no predicting what player-built items are going to cost. So, if you want to fly an Elite Frigate (or any T II ship, i think), better be prepared to cry when it's destroyed Join the IC!
Turyleon Caddarn	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:20:00 - [107] Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 11/08/2004 19:23:06 Originally by: Miso Originally by: Rod Blaine Damn, who cares ? Anyone with the skills to fly inty either has or can make the cost of one in an hour or has a main which can. Sure it needs a fixxy, but its not urgent. eeek! I takes me a month to make the price of 1 inty. Thats why I fly rifters. I don't understand why people are paying these ridiculous prices for them to start with. They aren't that great a ship. They are fun to fly, but not 10m's worth of fun. Yep, same here. I love the Incursus, gets me over 2km/sec and only 200k. i like beign able to not worry about losing frigs because they're so damn cheap, but still fun to fly. like Miso said, until the price drops, i wont be getting one. The price will fall in due time, just like the miner2s did. "I know this game, it's called Cat and Mouse. There's only one way to win......... Don't be the mouse."
Turyleon Caddarn	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:20:00 - [108] Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 11/08/2004 19:23:06 Originally by: Miso Originally by: Rod Blaine Damn, who cares ? Anyone with the skills to fly inty either has or can make the cost of one in an hour or has a main which can. Sure it needs a fixxy, but its not urgent. eeek! I takes me a month to make the price of 1 inty. Thats why I fly rifters. I don't understand why people are paying these ridiculous prices for them to start with. They aren't that great a ship. They are fun to fly, but not 10m's worth of fun. Yep, same here. I love the Incursus, gets me over 2km/sec and only 200k. i like beign able to not worry about losing frigs because they're so damn cheap, but still fun to fly. like Miso said, until the price drops, i wont be getting one. The price will fall in due time, just like the miner2s did. "I know this game, it's called Cat and Mouse. There's only one way to win......... Don't be the mouse."
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:32:00 - [109] Originally by: Bhaal If this is how it's going to be with insurable Tech II stuff, and CCP just ignores it, it's total crap... What a fubar'ed setup... Can't believe there is a DEV in here defending it too, what a joke... Builders should not be able to make 2000% if they are going to put something on the market... There may be a few dumb asses willing to pay that stupid markup, but that should not destroy insurance on that ship for the entire EVE community... Wake up DEVS! You'd think the SCC would step in and stop the price gouging now b4 it happens to any ship that is not NPC produced as well... Total BS CCP... 1.) its Free Market, you sell at whatever price you want if you make a profit. 2.) Tech 2 is supposed to be rare, not a cheap upgrade from tech 1. tech 1 is supposed to be the norm while tech 2 is SUPPOSED to be CRAZY expensive... the higher the better. This isnt EQ. 3.) you are a tard.
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:32:00 - [110] Originally by: Bhaal If this is how it's going to be with insurable Tech II stuff, and CCP just ignores it, it's total crap... What a fubar'ed setup... Can't believe there is a DEV in here defending it too, what a joke... Builders should not be able to make 2000% if they are going to put something on the market... There may be a few dumb asses willing to pay that stupid markup, but that should not destroy insurance on that ship for the entire EVE community... Wake up DEVS! You'd think the SCC would step in and stop the price gouging now b4 it happens to any ship that is not NPC produced as well... Total BS CCP... 1.) its Free Market, you sell at whatever price you want if you make a profit. 2.) Tech 2 is supposed to be rare, not a cheap upgrade from tech 1. tech 1 is supposed to be the norm while tech 2 is SUPPOSED to be CRAZY expensive... the higher the better. This isnt EQ. 3.) you are a tard.
Falzone	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:33:00 - [111] Problem is ccp tends to think its better not to implement something that will help many legitimate player cause of what a few people might exploit. yea some people will probably exploit it but is it right to screw the 90 out of 100 that wouldn't cause what the 10% of people might do. Thats like saying lets rip up the constitution cause the few criminals might abuse the system and screwing all the innocent people out of their lives
Falzone	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:33:00 - [112] Problem is ccp tends to think its better not to implement something that will help many legitimate player cause of what a few people might exploit. yea some people will probably exploit it but is it right to screw the 90 out of 100 that wouldn't cause what the 10% of people might do. Thats like saying lets rip up the constitution cause the few criminals might abuse the system and screwing all the innocent people out of their lives
Mara Nobars	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:46:00 - [113] It isn't price gouging if people are willing to pay the price. If you have anything you are going to sell (say, a motorcycle) ... are you going to sell it for whatever it has cost you up 'til now? No, you are going to set the price at what people are willing to pay for it ... or you'll decide that it isn't worth it to you to sell it and keep it. Same goes for everything in the "real world". Charge what the market will bear, prices only come down because somebody else will undercut you ... once there is enough competition in selling tech 2 items, the prices will come down.
Mara Nobars	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:46:00 - [114] It isn't price gouging if people are willing to pay the price. If you have anything you are going to sell (say, a motorcycle) ... are you going to sell it for whatever it has cost you up 'til now? No, you are going to set the price at what people are willing to pay for it ... or you'll decide that it isn't worth it to you to sell it and keep it. Same goes for everything in the "real world". Charge what the market will bear, prices only come down because somebody else will undercut you ... once there is enough competition in selling tech 2 items, the prices will come down.
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:53:00 - [115] Face it, CCP screwed up, defend them if you must... No one in the real world gets away with selling for a 2000% markup unless what they are selling is a fake of some kind... A handful of powergamers who can afford to waste this kind of ISK are ruining this for everyone else... I simply won't buy one until this issue is resolved... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:53:00 - [116] Face it, CCP screwed up, defend them if you must... No one in the real world gets away with selling for a 2000% markup unless what they are selling is a fake of some kind... A handful of powergamers who can afford to waste this kind of ISK are ruining this for everyone else... I simply won't buy one until this issue is resolved... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
mightygrm	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:58:00 - [117] Originally by: Falzone Problem is ccp tends to think its better not to implement something that will help many legitimate player cause of what a few people might exploit. yea some people will probably exploit it but is it right to screw the 90 out of 100 that wouldn't cause what the 10% of people might do. Thats like saying lets rip up the constitution cause the few criminals might abuse the system and screwing all the innocent people out of their lives Your analogy is incorrect. It would only take 1 person to exploit it and flood the market with billions of isk, wrecking the economy.
mightygrm	Posted - 2004.08.11 19:58:00 - [118] Originally by: Falzone Problem is ccp tends to think its better not to implement something that will help many legitimate player cause of what a few people might exploit. yea some people will probably exploit it but is it right to screw the 90 out of 100 that wouldn't cause what the 10% of people might do. Thats like saying lets rip up the constitution cause the few criminals might abuse the system and screwing all the innocent people out of their lives Your analogy is incorrect. It would only take 1 person to exploit it and flood the market with billions of isk, wrecking the economy.
mightygrm	Posted - 2004.08.11 20:00:00 - [119] Originally by: Bhaal Face it, CCP screwed up, defend them if you must... No one in the real world gets away with selling for a 2000% markup unless what they are selling is a fake of some kind... A handful of powergamers who can afford to waste this kind of ISK are ruining this for everyone else... I simply won't buy one until this issue is resolved... Things sell at huge markups all the time. Take diamonds for example. They are very cheap to mine out of the ground, the organizations that mine them dont pay crap to the miners. But people will glady pay hundreds of dollars for a worthless rock.
mightygrm	Posted - 2004.08.11 20:00:00 - [120] Originally by: Bhaal Face it, CCP screwed up, defend them if you must... No one in the real world gets away with selling for a 2000% markup unless what they are selling is a fake of some kind... A handful of powergamers who can afford to waste this kind of ISK are ruining this for everyone else... I simply won't buy one until this issue is resolved... Things sell at huge markups all the time. Take diamonds for example. They are very cheap to mine out of the ground, the organizations that mine them dont pay crap to the miners. But people will glady pay hundreds of dollars for a worthless rock.

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