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Sybylle
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:23:00 -
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IMHO, MWD is the best solution for NPC hunting.
It has 2 advantages :
-keeping NPCs at your optimal range (faster kill)
-faster travel to cans, gates and other stuff...
The friggy thing my be a solution, but I don't think it's the fastest one indeed ^^
Especially when you have over 4 jumps to get to the station to change ship, then back to the cans, then back to station...
Tractor beams were spoken about even since beta...
I'm still waiting for them.
I wish them as an hi-slot item, tracting cans at 20 km max, with says a 50m/s per skill level. So it would end at a 250M/s max can dragging.
It shouldn't work when warping.
It shouldn't work on other objects than cans, making it a miner or hunter thing.
/me dreaming...
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:23:00 -
[32]
IMHO, MWD is the best solution for NPC hunting.
It has 2 advantages :
-keeping NPCs at your optimal range (faster kill)
-faster travel to cans, gates and other stuff...
The friggy thing my be a solution, but I don't think it's the fastest one indeed ^^
Especially when you have over 4 jumps to get to the station to change ship, then back to the cans, then back to station...
Tractor beams were spoken about even since beta...
I'm still waiting for them.
I wish them as an hi-slot item, tracting cans at 20 km max, with says a 50m/s per skill level. So it would end at a 250M/s max can dragging.
It shouldn't work when warping.
It shouldn't work on other objects than cans, making it a miner or hunter thing.
/me dreaming...
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:30:00 -
[33]
Yeah, it can be dangerous going into the belts in 0.0 to pick up the loot. So I created an alt on my second account, put a 1mn AB on his newbie ship and send him in to pick up the loot  Doesn't really matter if he dies or not.
Much safer than driving my BS in close to the rat spawn point!
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:30:00 -
[34]
Yeah, it can be dangerous going into the belts in 0.0 to pick up the loot. So I created an alt on my second account, put a 1mn AB on his newbie ship and send him in to pick up the loot Doesn't really matter if he dies or not.
Much safer than driving my BS in close to the rat spawn point!
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Andrue
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:56:00 -
[35]
 Originally by: Ravelin Eb
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
How about no, leave it if you can't be bothered to retrieve it.
I picked up a 27% cargo expander from a low end mission rat once. Ever since then I've never even considered not picking up the loot! 
Same here. If I see a container and no-one around I stop to look in it no matter what. I got 20mil for my LHC expander. Loot from an agent mission as well - made up for the over 200 Ship Scanner I blueprints I now have. Sorta 
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Andrue
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:56:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Ravelin Eb
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
How about no, leave it if you can't be bothered to retrieve it.
I picked up a 27% cargo expander from a low end mission rat once. Ever since then I've never even considered not picking up the loot!
Same here. If I see a container and no-one around I stop to look in it no matter what. I got 20mil for my LHC expander. Loot from an agent mission as well - made up for the over 200 Ship Scanner I blueprints I now have. Sorta
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[Brackley, UK]
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:56:00 -
[37]
I vote for tractor beam, and just being able to scoop to cargo hold (like scooping drones), cans pop when the scoop option is employed, and just the items inside make it to your hold.
I also want to see auto refresh, stack & sort oprions for when somthing new is added to your cargo hold... These could be manually set as options by the pilot...
Tractor beam module requires a high slot & skill... The higher you train your skill, the longer the range...
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:56:00 -
[38]
I vote for tractor beam, and just being able to scoop to cargo hold (like scooping drones), cans pop when the scoop option is employed, and just the items inside make it to your hold.
I also want to see auto refresh, stack & sort oprions for when somthing new is added to your cargo hold... These could be manually set as options by the pilot...
Tractor beam module requires a high slot & skill... The higher you train your skill, the longer the range...
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"for piece sakes!" |
FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:58:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Sybylle
IMHO, MWD is the best solution for NPC hunting.
It has 2 advantages :
-keeping NPCs at your optimal range (faster kill)
-faster travel to cans, gates and other stuff...
The friggy thing my be a solution, but I don't think it's the fastest one indeed ^^
Especially when you have over 4 jumps to get to the station to change ship, then back to the cans, then back to station...
Tractor beams were spoken about even since beta...
I'm still waiting for them.
I wish them as an hi-slot item, tracting cans at 20 km max, with says a 50m/s per skill level. So it would end at a 250M/s max can dragging.
It shouldn't work when warping.
It shouldn't work on other objects than cans, making it a miner or hunter thing.
/me dreaming...
MWDs are no good to shield tanked ships :/
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FuPhal
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Posted - 2004.08.11 10:58:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Sybylle
IMHO, MWD is the best solution for NPC hunting.
It has 2 advantages :
-keeping NPCs at your optimal range (faster kill)
-faster travel to cans, gates and other stuff...
The friggy thing my be a solution, but I don't think it's the fastest one indeed ^^
Especially when you have over 4 jumps to get to the station to change ship, then back to the cans, then back to station...
Tractor beams were spoken about even since beta...
I'm still waiting for them.
I wish them as an hi-slot item, tracting cans at 20 km max, with says a 50m/s per skill level. So it would end at a 250M/s max can dragging.
It shouldn't work when warping.
It shouldn't work on other objects than cans, making it a miner or hunter thing.
/me dreaming...
MWDs are no good to shield tanked ships :/
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.11 11:13:00 -
[41]
Stop being lazy. If you don't want to take the time to check the loot then leave it for somone who does. Stop asking for ccp to change things becuase you can't be bothered to make an effort.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.11 11:13:00 -
[42]
Stop being lazy. If you don't want to take the time to check the loot then leave it for somone who does. Stop asking for ccp to change things becuase you can't be bothered to make an effort.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Sybylle
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Posted - 2004.08.11 11:35:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Stop being lazy. If you don't want to take the time to check the loot then leave it for somone who does. Stop asking for ccp to change things becuase you can't be bothered to make an effort.
Tractor beam is good anyway 
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2004.08.11 11:35:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Stop being lazy. If you don't want to take the time to check the loot then leave it for somone who does. Stop asking for ccp to change things becuase you can't be bothered to make an effort.
Tractor beam is good anyway
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Leonstein
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Posted - 2004.08.11 11:45:00 -
[45]
Scope to bay sounds like a good idea, saving all that open can, select all etc crap...
MWD work well enough for the job generally, though the scope option would mean you still have to get to the can but once there the boring repetitive process would be easier...
Tractor Beams??? WTF??? The energy involved would be near MWD levels so I can't see that being a solution, plus it seems like a lazy option. I run Agent Missions all the time, often getting the 6 waypoint kill mission with lots of loot. I use a Caracal so i get cans at long distance all the time, yet i still manage to collect all the loot and be back in time for bonus. Most of the issue is laziness...
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Leonstein
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Posted - 2004.08.11 11:45:00 -
[46]
Scope to bay sounds like a good idea, saving all that open can, select all etc crap...
MWD work well enough for the job generally, though the scope option would mean you still have to get to the can but once there the boring repetitive process would be easier...
Tractor Beams??? WTF??? The energy involved would be near MWD levels so I can't see that being a solution, plus it seems like a lazy option. I run Agent Missions all the time, often getting the 6 waypoint kill mission with lots of loot. I use a Caracal so i get cans at long distance all the time, yet i still manage to collect all the loot and be back in time for bonus. Most of the issue is laziness...
Long Fang Armaments --- Extreme Pain...Express Delivery |
Aelita
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Posted - 2004.08.11 11:48:00 -
[47]
What about extending 1500m range to something like 5000m? 1500m seems to be really hairy because if I use MWD on ship then I does often fly over that can and my ship must do U-turn to get back in 1500m range.
It's compromise I don't see 5km as overlooked and it make EVE bit less stressing when going to loot time :)
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Aelita
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Posted - 2004.08.11 11:48:00 -
[48]
What about extending 1500m range to something like 5000m? 1500m seems to be really hairy because if I use MWD on ship then I does often fly over that can and my ship must do U-turn to get back in 1500m range.
It's compromise I don't see 5km as overlooked and it make EVE bit less stressing when going to loot time :)
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.08.11 12:37:00 -
[49]
what about getting rid of the loot can drops and have a system were as dropped stuffs is automaticaly added to your cargo hull as part of the kill bonus ?
if your hull is full you are given the chance to jettison what you dont want ?
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.08.11 12:37:00 -
[50]
what about getting rid of the loot can drops and have a system were as dropped stuffs is automaticaly added to your cargo hull as part of the kill bonus ?
if your hull is full you are given the chance to jettison what you dont want ?
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Wyckoff
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Posted - 2004.08.11 12:42:00 -
[51]
Um...The argument of: "Stop Being Lazy and go Pick it up" is pretty stupid.
You got remote controls or do you manually surf on your T.V.? And that's with 21st Century Technology.
We got ships that travel much faster than the speed of light. We never truly have to worry about dying as there is always a clone ready. We don't even have to work to fly our ships anymore, we got a cushy Pod. We don't even have to look out the windows because we got Camera Drones!
So, with all that, you mean to say that asking for a Salvage Drone or a Tractor Beam or a basic Transporter with a 5k range is too much? You don't work on the 35th floor and take the stairs, do you?
A 5k Tractor Beam, built into the ship, much like the Scanner. You want it bigger, 10k Tractor beam for a Low Slot.
20K Tractor Beam that can tow a Cruiser (not moving) in a Mid slot...etc.
Tractor Beam technology is already in use: Webbers. If you can slow a ship down by 85%, I'm pretty sure you can suck in a little loot can that aint moving.
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Wyckoff
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Posted - 2004.08.11 12:42:00 -
[52]
Um...The argument of: "Stop Being Lazy and go Pick it up" is pretty stupid.
You got remote controls or do you manually surf on your T.V.? And that's with 21st Century Technology.
We got ships that travel much faster than the speed of light. We never truly have to worry about dying as there is always a clone ready. We don't even have to work to fly our ships anymore, we got a cushy Pod. We don't even have to look out the windows because we got Camera Drones!
So, with all that, you mean to say that asking for a Salvage Drone or a Tractor Beam or a basic Transporter with a 5k range is too much? You don't work on the 35th floor and take the stairs, do you?
A 5k Tractor Beam, built into the ship, much like the Scanner. You want it bigger, 10k Tractor beam for a Low Slot.
20K Tractor Beam that can tow a Cruiser (not moving) in a Mid slot...etc.
Tractor Beam technology is already in use: Webbers. If you can slow a ship down by 85%, I'm pretty sure you can suck in a little loot can that aint moving.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.08.11 12:53:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Wyckoff
So, with all that, you mean to say that asking for a Salvage Drone or a Tractor Beam or a basic Transporter with a 5k range is too much? You don't work on the 35th floor and take the stairs, do you?
Nope.
But neither do I work on the 35th floor and demand some way of bringing my work to my car so I don't have to travel to my desk.
If people really want a 5K tractor beam, then I say let them have it. Make it take a midslot (that'll really annoy all those Megathron pilots who only get 4) and the 5k range is only 3.5k past the range where you can pick things up.
Gotta remember other places people can use it though, it wouldn't just be lazy rat hunters that would benefit. Miners would love this change. They'd either be able to drag their jet cans around the belts with them or they'd be able to put ore into the can from further away. I doubt if CCP want to make jetcan mining any easier.
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Rodge
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Posted - 2004.08.11 12:53:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Wyckoff
So, with all that, you mean to say that asking for a Salvage Drone or a Tractor Beam or a basic Transporter with a 5k range is too much? You don't work on the 35th floor and take the stairs, do you?
Nope.
But neither do I work on the 35th floor and demand some way of bringing my work to my car so I don't have to travel to my desk.
If people really want a 5K tractor beam, then I say let them have it. Make it take a midslot (that'll really annoy all those Megathron pilots who only get 4) and the 5k range is only 3.5k past the range where you can pick things up.
Gotta remember other places people can use it though, it wouldn't just be lazy rat hunters that would benefit. Miners would love this change. They'd either be able to drag their jet cans around the belts with them or they'd be able to put ore into the can from further away. I doubt if CCP want to make jetcan mining any easier.
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:04:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Sybylle
Originally by: Wild Rho
Stop being lazy. If you don't want to take the time to check the loot then leave it for somone who does. Stop asking for ccp to change things becuase you can't be bothered to make an effort.
Tractor beam is good anyway
Only for the light show
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:04:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Sybylle
Originally by: Wild Rho
Stop being lazy. If you don't want to take the time to check the loot then leave it for somone who does. Stop asking for ccp to change things becuase you can't be bothered to make an effort.
Tractor beam is good anyway
Only for the light show
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Silatar
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:22:00 -
[57]
All of the people talking about laziness must really be sadists. I don't know how many self-proclaimed thugs in this thread have said that people need to "work" for their loot. And by "work", they really mean "spend 5 minutes approaching the cans one-by-one to pick them up." I thought I was doing the work when I killed the rats?
Picking up loot cans takes far longer than actually killing the rats. The only viable solutions? Close range ships and MWD? I'm sorry, while this may work, these ship setups (that have nothing to do with actually fighting the rats) shouldn't be required to avoid hours of boredom.
Am I lazy? Sure! I am. I don't like wasting my time hitting "approach" on every can in the hope that one will contain useful loot. And then there's the belts, where you have two options:
1) wait until the rats chase you out of the astroids OR
2) watch your ship stumble around like a drunken monkey trying to pick up cans that are near the roids. Awesome.
The WORK and the EFFORT in killing rats should NOT be the wasted time in collecting the loot after they are dead. It gives a huge advantage in money/time to anyone using a close range setup and, if this is intended, CCP should just come out and say, "We don't want long-range setups to be equal in PvE."
The string of useless analogies I have read in this thread is appalling. Yes, you ought to go work at your desk on the 35th floor instead of working out of your car. But you know what? An elevator sure would be nice. Does wanting an elevator make you lazy? You should have to walk up the stairs! Hell, climb a fireman's pole to the 35th floor: we don't need stairs! And if you don't want to do this, you're obviously too lazy to get the reward at the end (which happens to be your job). Oh, wait...never mind.
Frankly, there is no reason for CCP to build in such mindnumbingly boring parts to this game such as loot-can collecting. If allowing faster looting (by any means!) would unbalance the economy (since it would increase the wealth of people who rat/mission), decrease the number of items dropped by cruiser+bs rats to keep the income the same. There simply is no need for the boredom factor. |
Silatar
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:22:00 -
[58]
All of the people talking about laziness must really be sadists. I don't know how many self-proclaimed thugs in this thread have said that people need to "work" for their loot. And by "work", they really mean "spend 5 minutes approaching the cans one-by-one to pick them up." I thought I was doing the work when I killed the rats?
Picking up loot cans takes far longer than actually killing the rats. The only viable solutions? Close range ships and MWD? I'm sorry, while this may work, these ship setups (that have nothing to do with actually fighting the rats) shouldn't be required to avoid hours of boredom.
Am I lazy? Sure! I am. I don't like wasting my time hitting "approach" on every can in the hope that one will contain useful loot. And then there's the belts, where you have two options:
1) wait until the rats chase you out of the astroids OR
2) watch your ship stumble around like a drunken monkey trying to pick up cans that are near the roids. Awesome.
The WORK and the EFFORT in killing rats should NOT be the wasted time in collecting the loot after they are dead. It gives a huge advantage in money/time to anyone using a close range setup and, if this is intended, CCP should just come out and say, "We don't want long-range setups to be equal in PvE."
The string of useless analogies I have read in this thread is appalling. Yes, you ought to go work at your desk on the 35th floor instead of working out of your car. But you know what? An elevator sure would be nice. Does wanting an elevator make you lazy? You should have to walk up the stairs! Hell, climb a fireman's pole to the 35th floor: we don't need stairs! And if you don't want to do this, you're obviously too lazy to get the reward at the end (which happens to be your job). Oh, wait...never mind.
Frankly, there is no reason for CCP to build in such mindnumbingly boring parts to this game such as loot-can collecting. If allowing faster looting (by any means!) would unbalance the economy (since it would increase the wealth of people who rat/mission), decrease the number of items dropped by cruiser+bs rats to keep the income the same. There simply is no need for the boredom factor. |
Sybylle
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:28:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: Wyckoff
So, with all that, you mean to say that asking for a Salvage Drone or a Tractor Beam or a basic Transporter with a 5k range is too much? You don't work on the 35th floor and take the stairs, do you?
Nope.
But neither do I work on the 35th floor and demand some way of bringing my work to my car so I don't have to travel to my desk.
If people really want a 5K tractor beam, then I say let them have it. Make it take a midslot (that'll really annoy all those Megathron pilots who only get 4) and the 5k range is only 3.5k past the range where you can pick things up.
Gotta remember other places people can use it though, it wouldn't just be lazy rat hunters that would benefit. Miners would love this change. They'd either be able to drag their jet cans around the belts with them or they'd be able to put ore into the can from further away. I doubt if CCP want to make jetcan mining any easier.
Well...As I want it, it wouldn't be possible to use the beam on other objects than Cans.
Second, it wouldn't work during warp.
Finally, it would be attached to an Hi-slot.
I see it usuable for anybody, and especially for haulers that can get mad when >10 ships are mining a belt and jettissoning considerable amounts of stuff.
So where do you see an exploit?
Regarding security stuff, when somebody uses it on a can that isn't his, it will be considered as an agression, unless your are ganged with the owner of the can...So no exploit there too...
Is some dev reading out there ???
WE WANT IT (at least I  )
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"Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period" |
Sybylle
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Posted - 2004.08.11 13:28:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: Wyckoff
So, with all that, you mean to say that asking for a Salvage Drone or a Tractor Beam or a basic Transporter with a 5k range is too much? You don't work on the 35th floor and take the stairs, do you?
Nope.
But neither do I work on the 35th floor and demand some way of bringing my work to my car so I don't have to travel to my desk.
If people really want a 5K tractor beam, then I say let them have it. Make it take a midslot (that'll really annoy all those Megathron pilots who only get 4) and the 5k range is only 3.5k past the range where you can pick things up.
Gotta remember other places people can use it though, it wouldn't just be lazy rat hunters that would benefit. Miners would love this change. They'd either be able to drag their jet cans around the belts with them or they'd be able to put ore into the can from further away. I doubt if CCP want to make jetcan mining any easier.
Well...As I want it, it wouldn't be possible to use the beam on other objects than Cans.
Second, it wouldn't work during warp.
Finally, it would be attached to an Hi-slot.
I see it usuable for anybody, and especially for haulers that can get mad when >10 ships are mining a belt and jettissoning considerable amounts of stuff.
So where do you see an exploit?
Regarding security stuff, when somebody uses it on a can that isn't his, it will be considered as an agression, unless your are ganged with the owner of the can...So no exploit there too...
Is some dev reading out there ???
WE WANT IT (at least I )
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(> <)=Oveur (proof)
"Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period" |
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