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Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.02 21:20:00 - [181] Originally by: Jade Constantine I understand you'd like CAOD to be your private forum for goon+friends celebrations of your "achievements" but harassing other players in out of game vendettas is beyond the pale. Actually Jade you don't know anything about me or what I want CAOD to be. But I know you (thanks to 6 years of you ruining CAOD) and I know exactly what you want CAOD to be. Sterile. Boring. PC. And most of all, a place for you to wirte your self important novellas and have equally self important people tell you how articulate you are. I just wish you could be a big Girl or Boy or whatever you fancy yourself to be, and get over it. Is it acceptable for people to attack you IRL: NO. Is it acceptable for you to bring up your RL issues in every thread: NO Does anyone care about your RL issues: NO Could you, Jade, elevate the level of discussion in CAOD if you gave a ****: Yes (but on some level I think you enjoy the attention) ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.02 21:24:00 - [182] Originally by: Tobruk I just wish you could be a big Girl or Boy or whatever you fancy yourself to be, and get over it. Internet Space Prostitute Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
General Windypops Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.02 22:30:00 - [183] To be honest, I think the standards of CAOD have degenerated since 'my day' - it's definitely away from being banter to being spam / personal attacks. That said, it seems to be what the public want, and whilst SHC is more informative it takes less time to read it than it takes to pull an Essex girl. I'm rather surprised that CCP don't just implement the solution that every other web forum moderator has - set up mudwrestling forum and leave the petty forum warriors to it.
Lunas Feelgood Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.02 22:33:00 - [184] Originally by: General Windypops To be honest, I think the standards of CAOD have degenerated since 'my day' - it's definitely away from being banter to being spam / personal attacks. That said, it seems to be what the public want, and whilst SHC is more informative it takes less time to read it than it takes to pull an Essex girl. I'm rather surprised that CCP don't just implement the solution that every other web forum moderator has - set up mudwrestling forum and leave the petty forum warriors to it. LMAO says the alt.. Jesus crist man Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history Originally by: BOB "I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
Totally Slick Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.02 22:40:00 - [185] alts complaining about caod is pretty funny
SSDD24 Gallente THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.02 23:59:00 - [186] OP ur definitely wrong about CAOD being a goonfleet.com extension.. it was always an extension of the winning side...always. And a forum of this type will always be like this even if it is going to be for Hello Kitty Online. I would like to see faster action from the moderation time not harsher thats it. Ahh i forgot about Jade. He is typical politician from an early democracy. A lot of hot air. Verbose and pompous but saying nothing. And most importantly doing nothing. He had the chance in his last CSM term but he didnt. He preferred to start a personal war, lose it and then blame the other side for blocking him. Yes off course he sometimes raises valid points but only to try to get some relevance in the eyes of the masses but in the end he doesnt pursue em because doing something is hard but complaining about obstacles is way more easy. Typical early democracy politician style. Too some it all up tl;dr style. We need prolly faster action from the mods and u can find more stuff in goons memes then in Jade Constantine's walls of text.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.03.03 00:24:00 - [187] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 03/03/2009 00:24:13 COAD post meets COAD standards. Oh the Irony. -- Billion Isk Mission
Ponderous Thunderstroke Minmatar Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2009.03.03 03:21:00 - [188] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Jade Constantine you will be attacked and harrassed with increasing ferocity up to and including rl stalking and attempted professional sabotage. No, you won't. None of this has ever happened. Its just your paranoid delusions. Just like your paranoid delusions that there was a Goonswarm conspiracy to block your 0.0 sovereignty proposals on the CSM that inlcuded CVA, Eve Bank, and Veto, the F13 Eve forum and game developers that resided there. You're just making ** up and hoping it will stick, like all those other times you made ** up hoping it will stick. [I'd link to the posts where Jade lays out this conspiracy, but in one instance, she went back and manually edited all of her posts to "WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT" and in the other she refers to other peoples real names (including mine) multiple times and that would be in breach of the forum rules(for revealing their real names) Pull it off of Eve-Search and expose it, I'd love to see it. That's the best place to read CAOD anyways, where all the buttes and donges get saved for posterity unless Da Modz hack it within the first 30 seconds. Then head over to Kugu's to get the real story, of course. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Kiko Goatbiter Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.03 03:53:00 - [189] im gay
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.03 04:27:00 - [190] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Pull it off of Eve-Search and expose it, I'd love to see it. Sorry if i wasn't clear, but these are on SHC and F13 respectively. Not on eve-o. So you cannot eve-search them. I will not be linking to them for the aforementioned reasons(and because frankly i value my internet anonymity). But it should not be hard to find the relevant information

Monti Reagan Gallente Altruism. Avarice.	Posted - 2009.03.03 06:02:00 - [191] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 02/03/2009 20:27:42 I dont know who you are Monti but you claim that CAOD has become and extension of Goonfleet.com??? Well how wrong are you.. Atm Goons do alot of post but if you look at the political landscape you will know why. If this has been reversed the other faction will have done the same.. CAOD has allways been like this and I got no clue what you on about.. But Il tell you from 6 years of CAOD experience CAOD has never changed.. In short you hole post seems to lack any evidence whatsoever for you claims.. I dont recall you on CAOD ever, you not a regulary poster and with you clearly lack of knowledge on how or what CAOD is I would say this is just a pathtic pro BOB post.. I feel like I have done a pretty good job of keeping this thread on topic, not insinuating or stating support for either Goonfleet (and allies) or KenZoku (and allies). To my continued discontent, however unshocking, subscribers such as yourself seem to feel the need to attempt to derail this thread into something that it isn't. It is not pro-BoB, it is not pro-Goon. It is anti-personal attacks/spam posting/redundancy of threads. I do not care about Delve. I do not live there. I do not care about PL/Goons/BoB, I don't interact with them in my game content. I care about a part of this game I pay for, which used to be a very enjoyable and provocative read and has since meandered off in a direction that most people outside of Goonfleet and THE INTERNET. seem unhappy with as evidenced by the majority of people who've posted here. Goonswarm seems to be in touch with the chaos that has become the standard on CAOD and indeed revels in further anarchism. What I am calling for here is a return to a more sensible forum, nothing more and nothing less. I could mention things about what BoB did in game or what Goons now do, but it is simply not relevant to this thread as it does not directly relate to the organization of CAOD. I would ask at this point for the personal attacks to stop on Jade Constantine, he has posted on this thread and made a valid point but he and the people attacking him can't seem to stay on the point of CAOD--just more anti-Goon or anti-Jade rhetoric from both sides. Goons, I know you probably will not heed this request but I feel it is worth making. Jade, I hope that in the interest of allowing this issue to be serviced in this thread here you will cease posting as all it seems to do is incite flaming from both parties. I am hoping this thread does not get further derailed into an anti-Goon thread, though as it enters the 6th page I am afraid that is the direction it's going. I did not intend this thread to be a platform for attacking Goons, surely they have an important and valuable place in the history of 0.0 in Eve. Though it would be dishonest of me to simply state that THE INTERNET. were the biggest problem on CAOD today. It is a cultural infection of hate, bitterness and shameless self-promotion to the point of it becoming suffocating for anyone non-power bloc. I would hope that we can discuss a fair resolution to improve CAOD, that does not include banning whole groups of people or making it as exclusive and closely moderated as SHC presently is. CAOD is fun and enjoyable because it has ****posting, Goonthreads and the occasional nonsense thread but that shouldn't be what it has been reduced to completely. I thank everyone who has contributed to this discuss this, both constructively and perhaps less so. A dialogue is valuable no matter what. :]
yaharr yarly Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.03.03 06:18:00 - [192] anonymous internet personalities complaining about other anonymous internet personalities being more anonymous then they are is pretty hilarious. tell me you guys are atleast smart enough to see the irony. god I hope so for your sakes.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul	Posted - 2009.03.03 06:34:00 - [193] Best thread I've read in well over a month. What strikes me immediately about it (perhaps other threads of a similar vein got moved as suggested), but it's the first one I've seen that intelligently derides the state of this forum section; on top of that, I can't help but notice exactly who is posting here. It's not the usual crowd, I see a lot of old and new faces. Why? Because this thread isn't utter crap perhaps, it doesn't follow the usual flow of what constitutes diatribe and discourse in this cesspit. It has hit six pages... and I was able to read the WHOLE THING... and only HALF OF IT WAS CRAP! I'd call it a miracle, but the Goons would flame me for being a ex-fixie bible thumper. The primary reason the majority of threads here follow the same damn topic day in, day out, is because anyone outside the sphere of primacy, is shat upon by those who are. Most posters, even if they have something interesting to say or discuss, won't touch this forum because of it. There is no strong oversight. Hell, I agree with the people who say 'bring on the bans'. Great points have been raised here. First being, CAOD has never been some sort of enlightened bastion, but I'd differ with others' opinion on the concentration of crap floating on the surface over the course of time. Jade made some great points, unfortunately these days (and most likely days past as well), Jade draws serious flak, and Jade can't stay on fracking topic once it gets going. It's not Goons who have done it alone, there are other alliances and individuals that are just as guilty of bringing in real life issues and conjectures. Ban them, ban all of them. There should be zero tolerance for that bull, way too much is allowed to slide in that category. Should there be a place for vicious insidious propaganda? Hell yes, absolutely. This is Eve. But keep your in-game attack to one thread, keep it in some semblance of context. This thread isn't about the state of CAOD and comparing it to different incarnations. It's about what CAOD should be.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.03 06:35:00 - [194] Originally by: Monti Reagan What I am calling for here is a return to a more sensible forum, nothing more and nothing less. If you're wondering why people are claiming you're a shill, its because there never was a "more sensible" forum to return to. It has always been a cesspool and it will always be a cesspool.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul	Posted - 2009.03.03 06:44:00 - [195] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Monti Reagan What I am calling for here is a return to a more sensible forum, nothing more and nothing less. If you're wondering why people are claiming you're a shill, its because there never was a "more sensible" forum to return to. It has always been a cesspool and it will always be a cesspool. Yet he's contributed more meaningful/interesting discussion to this forum with this one thread than has been presented this entire week. Not a bad example of what CAOD could be?
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.03 06:50:00 - [196] Originally by: Jade Constantine This thread has nothing to do with BOB. It has to do with a climate of unacceptable personal attacks and out of game flaming on an in-character political discussion forum. I disagree, had you said this around the time certain ASCN FCs were being subjugated to ritual and orchestrated humiliation then perhaps you'd have a point, but you didn't. Originally by: Jade Constantine I think on balance I'd rather people posted on CAOD with a bit more respect and adherence to the rules of forum interactions. As you're a member of the older generation of Eve Players, you actually helped set the precedent that you're experiencing now. You only have yourself to blame if you're not enjoying it as you did nothing while friends of yours were happily doing it to others. I remember the set of BoB signatures that were clearly attacks on people, all it took to get them past the censors was a 4x4 pixel depiction of an alliance logo to make it "alliance related". Infact the rules only tightened up when the T20 thing blew up, but the BoB signatures at the time referred to "hotlines" and dev help which was comically bad timing. I also remember mid/late 2006 when Goonswarm had a self-imposed CAOD ban, it still to this day makes me laugh out loud that Goonswarm are one of the few entities in the game that can actually have a CAOD ban and abide by it without resorting to alt posting like so many other alliances. Those crazy clowns! tl;dr You reap what you sow. It only bothers you when a certain side of the conflict suffers this, when it's on the other foot, you're perfectly fine with what goes on. But for a hyprocrite, you're pretty chill, so don't take this as a personal attack and get all emo or something. Captain Thunk
xithus Gallente Titan Industries Technology Team	Posted - 2009.03.03 07:14:00 - [197] Edited by: xithus on 03/03/2009 07:14:44 Originally by: Captain Thunk Originally by: Jade Constantine This thread has nothing to do with BOB. It has to do with a climate of unacceptable personal attacks and out of game flaming on an in-character political discussion forum. I disagree, had you said this around the time certain ASCN FCs were being subjugated to ritual and orchestrated humiliation then perhaps you'd have a point, but you didn't. this is the point, which is why this thread is as has been stated by the previous pl poster, more about the people loosing whining about the people winning, as have all the caod complaints been over the last few years. anyone that thinks bob has not done anything that is being done in here now by goons or others is frankly an incompetent with a lack of memory, most of the current favored pr tactics aside from teh goons "we dont care about anything you say" which they came up with and utilized on their own, originated from BOB and the iterations of them that came before. its funny all you people thrown around things like Tin foil, to explain anyone talking about conspiracy or bob etc whatever. when this is something they introduced to the game as a counter to pr threats against them. you people need to grow a bigger memory and get some clearer perspective on things before you start touting your high and mighty version of coads past, just because you werent on the receiving end of all this crap in the past does not mean it did not happen.
Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.03.03 07:19:00 - [198] Back 2006 when i started i actually liked this forum. Now i rather read SHC. Sad for EvE, that new players cant see some good posts about politics and eve at this forums. Bad performance from CCP in my opinion.
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.03 07:30:00 - [199] Edited by: NereSky on 03/03/2009 07:32:38 I keep seeing referances comparing BoB of old to the Goons, either you people had blinkers on and only see what you want to see or your memory isnt as good, BoB i agree had some posts that were chestbeating some of which were not in the spirit of the game and yes CAOD has always raised temperatures and been very emotive, however I dont remember seeing threadnaughts by BoB (which were done for the sole intention of bringing the forums down) nor do i remember a total flood of posts of a flame and trolling nature by them, yes i do remember emotive posts ie during the Great War and the more recent ASCN war but in comparison to now they were at leat in game and had content, The majority of posts now are wall to wall about the same subject, and all players expect is a more controlled CAOD, CAOD will never be totally troll free, thats impossible but at least it can be controlled and moderated with punitive measures given out. As for some of these personnal attacks they are totally out of order and they need to stop as out forums are public and seeing some of these posts/threads makes me ashamed. I have seen some really well written posts get flamed and trolled not just by a few but by a well planned and orchestrated entity which 'seems' hell bent in destroying the game, yes i understand its fun for them and others but there seems a total lack of self control and respect for others.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.03 07:36:00 - [200] Originally by: Avernus Yet he's contributed more meaningful/interesting discussion to this forum with this one thread than has been presented this entire week. Not a bad example of what CAOD could be? No, he has not. He has written a number of words that look meaningful and interesting, but hold neither quality. In reality, they are no better than any of the propaganda spouted by anyone else on this forum. There are differences, however they are not flattering to Jade. The main difference is that most of the propaganda on this forum purports to be nothing but propaganda, while Jades purports to be objective reality. It certainly is not, but the age old tactic of writing a lot of words still has the ability to convince many people of many things which are not true. Should you believe me because this post contains a lot of words? Certainly not, you should believe me because its argument holds muster. The other difference is that no one else is here to convince you of anything(protip: This is a lie, i am trying to convince you of something right now) and when they are, they are not doing so in disingenuous manners. Indeed, they largely only purport to present their side of the facts as nothing more than their side of the facts. What do i mean by "disingenuous manner". Well, there is a very large gap between rhetoric and argument. One presents facts and tries to glean objective truth from those facts that would then not be refutable. The other seeks to change the views of a person or group of persons. Sometimes these goals coincide, if you wanted to convince a person that you were right. When this happened you would put down an argument and use rhetorical devices to make sure it was understood. For instance i might ask a question i didn't need to know the answer to(known as a rhetorical question), because the answer to that question which you knew, would be the point i was trying to make. But other times you want to convince someone of something that either isn't true, you can't prove, or they are unlikely to believe because evidence points elsewhere. Now, you might think to yourself, "why would anyone want to convince someone of something that wasn't true?" and you would have to answer "because they are getting something out of it". Anyway, when this happens you can't use an argument because a valid and cogent argument will not point the person you want to convince towards what you want them to believe. So you have to use logical fallacies to get the job done. Jades most common are ad hominem, proof by verbosity, the psychologist's fallacy, poisoning the well, judgmental language, straw man, and the non-fallacy of false premise(False premise's do not make arguments invalid, though it does make them not cogent, which is to say that the veracity of the claim is just as much in question). Though I would say that when you deliberately include false premises by excluding relevant information(sin of omission, also known as a lie of omission) it certainly qualifies. This is what Jade does, and I've tried to document some of it(at least sins of omission) in this thread, with the intention of convincing you that Jade Constantine is a truly terrible and horrible person(note, not an ad-hom, despite being against the person) who is trying to convince you that Goonswarm has done something horrible to this game that he so dearly cares for. The truth is that its just two competing ideologies. One side wants people to play Eve the way they want to play eve, and one side wants people to play Eve the way Jade Constantine wants people to play eve. Currently the people who want to play eve the way they want to play Eve are winning resoundingly on the actual "playing of the game front" and the "culture war" front and every time it happens its another sting from the bee in Jades bonnet. Now ask yourself this, would I lie to you? (A: Yes) But would I lie to you after I've told you how i would have lied to you, or is my argument valid?

SSDD24 Gallente THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.03 07:52:00 - [201] Originally by: NereSky Edited by: NereSky on 03/03/2009 07:32:38 I keep seeing referances comparing BoB of old to the Goons, either you people had blinkers on and only see what you want to see or your memory isnt as good, BoB i agree had some posts that were chestbeating some of which were not in the spirit of the game and yes CAOD has always raised temperatures and been very emotive, however I dont remember seeing threadnaughts by BoB (which were done for the sole intention of bringing the forums down) nor do i remember a total flood of posts of a flame and trolling nature by them, yes i do remember emotive posts ie during the Great War and the more recent ASCN war but in comparison to now they were at leat in game and had content, The majority of posts now are wall to wall about the same subject, and all players expect is a more controlled CAOD, CAOD will never be totally troll free, thats impossible but at least it can be controlled and moderated with punitive measures given out. As for some of these personnal attacks they are totally out of order and they need to stop as out forums are public and seeing some of these posts/threads makes me ashamed. I have seen some really well written posts get flamed and trolled not just by a few but by a well planned and orchestrated entity which 'seems' hell bent in destroying the game, yes i understand its fun for them and others but there seems a total lack of self control and respect for others. My friend u either have selective memory or u didnt read CAOD through the years. The first guys that brought the trolling squads and the spinning tactics and all these propaganda forum schemes were BOB and MC. Yes it might sound as a surprise but there is nothing new here. Meh i hate bringing real life to mind again but these are not even tactics that were developed by forum *****s. They are here since the beginning of time and there are quite a few books on subjects like propaganda, disinformation and social engineering.
Monti Reagan Gallente Altruism. Avarice.	Posted - 2009.03.03 07:53:00 - [202] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Avernus Yet he's contributed more meaningful/interesting discussion to this forum with this one thread than has been presented this entire week. Not a bad example of what CAOD could be? .. Very well written post mate and I'm sure I speak for more than myself here when I thank you for your sincerity and attempt to elevate yourself above the usual status quo of this forum. Unfortunately, I think that the gentlemen you quoted was referring to me if I am not mistaken.. Aside from that, if we can agree that Jade has a history with the forums that may or may not be in line with his current exposed feelings can we move forward in a positive discussion? I'd very much appreciate your educated and well-considered opinions being applied to the topic at hand. :] Thanks in advance.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.03 08:01:00 - [203] Edited by: Goumindong on 03/03/2009 08:01:07 Originally by: Monti Reagan Unfortunately, I think that the gentlemen you quoted was referring to me if I am not mistaken.. Whoops, i thought he was you... Quote: Aside from that, if we can agree that Jade has a history with the forums that may or may not be in line with his current exposed feelings can we move forward in a positive discussion? We can agree that Jade has a history that is not in line with his current exposed feelings, but we cannot move forward in a positive discussion. CAOD is meant to be a cesspool. This cesspool fuels the animosity that drives eve-online. If we all just got along there would be no one to fight. It has always been, it always will be.
SSDD24 Gallente THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.03 08:16:00 - [204] Well about the status of this forum its very simple. Its a propaganda forum. And this will never change until propaganda wont have an effect on the game itself. Even this whole thread if u do the effort of loosing all the words u find it to be propaganda at core. Its is common from now and then to get people tired of all this propaganda bull**** to raise their opinion and try to fight this system. But in the end a good propaganda machine knows how to spin it their own way. Well tbh i hope by doing this type of threads more often more people would realize how the story goes and in some very distant future time (to be read as utopic but we can dream about) the lack of effectiveness will kill the propaganda. And no i dont think that such a thing is possible.
Grigo Caldari M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.03.03 08:21:00 - [205] Quote: CAOD: Does anyone read this anymore? close to never single great post is the alliance map RO Originally by: Avernus ...some kudos to using your main to post like an asshat though... doesn't really take balls though, you're on the internet.
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.03 08:25:00 - [206] My friend u either have selective memory or u didnt read CAOD through the years. The first guys that brought the trolling squads and the spinning tactics and all these propaganda forum schemes were BOB and MC. Yes it might sound as a surprise but there is nothing new here. Meh i hate bringing real life to mind again but these are not even tactics that were developed by forum *****s. They are here since the beginning of time and there are quite a few books on subjects like propaganda, disinformation and social engineering. I can assure u i have read CAOD through the yrs buddy and i agree to a certain extent that yes CAOD is used as a tool in the wars and 'yes' as i stated the Great Northern War' was very emotive and Jade/Sir Molle amongst many others now gone were prolific posters However one of the main reasons why its gotten to such a poor state in recent yrs is the numbers in the player base have increased therefore adding to the amount of posts causing a increase in trolls/flame but where we had 20 or 30 or so active posters spilling a small percentage of troll/flame that percentage has now increased with the no's in the playerbase to maybe hundreds, With the addition of rules to try to curb it 'alt' corps are created to bypass that control which has now got out of hand, I know that there are quite a no' of players that give well written and constructive posts but there are more players that add to the troll and flame and where as the OP has clearly stated its a discussion on CAOD in general it appears others have taken advantage of making yet more personnal attacks, where the person they are attacking is making general posts as to the current condition of CAOD - that imo has to stop as its non stop. Nothing i have seen so far was as emotive as the Great Northern War except perhaps the ASCN campaign but that doesnt mean that entities today can follow suit and make it worse, i like to see records broken in game like the total no of days a system is locked down for (gratz btw) But in the past we had well written battle reports and what had the potential of being a fantastic epic battle to read about becomes a troll with childish behaviour (schoolyard activities springs to mind) pointing a finger saying yah boo sucks wih a tongue sticking out. So yes in retrospect i do remember CAOD with all its flames and trolls to about early 2004 and i also remeber complaints being made about CAOD, but we are now entering a new era in EVE and new times have brought in new blood in the shape of GoonSwarm and regardless of my personnel opinion CAOD has got worse with the amount of posts they make its like everyone in their alliance wants to post and unfortunately it becames a needle in a haystack to find and read those few posts that are constructice and filled with content, Whence a request to CCP to look in to making changes to CAOD to move with the times in light of us entering a new era and the new accounts that will be setup with the retail release of EVE this year
SSDD24 Gallente THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.03 08:53:00 - [207] well it was and it is propaganda.. even if u bother reading SCH its the same. Well i find funny how all the sore CAOD losers point toward SCh where the clear winner of the propaganda war is Shadoo. He atm is the king and queen of GBBS :) But yes people in their immense crave for battle reports tend to take that forum very easy. Call it conspiracy theory call it whatever u want but when u want somebody to take the read pill u show him how really bad the blue pill is. And i am sure that SCH was far more morale damaging for the legions of bobbits because it used to be their realm, their shire and they kinda believe it. How ironic... So back to what i was trying to tell u Nere... CAOD was propaganda from day one. And it will never change. And tbh i have to contradict u with ur own words. The fact that is harder and harder to find any hint of truth on CAOD means that the propaganda evolved to a new level.
Doctor Penguin Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.03.03 09:21:00 - [208] Setting a precident does not mean that the current status of affairs somehow good. Just because CAOD has "always" (read "In the last year or so") been a cesspit, does not mean that it's okay for it to be a cesspit. ________________________________________________
xithus Gallente Titan Industries Technology Team	Posted - 2009.03.03 10:02:00 - [209] as long as caod is a legitimate front in the wars of eve (and dont kid yourselves it absolutely is) then flaming and trolling are fairly acceptable methods of waging war. to disallow it here and regulate it so some elitist select few can dictate how others use their pr bin would be akin to saying that smacking is not allowd ingame. hello kitty online is that way ------>
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.03 10:16:00 - [210] Edited by: O Thief on 03/03/2009 10:19:02 Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 02/03/2009 20:27:42 As a CAOD reader and poster the last 6 years I can say for 100% surdency that CAOD havent change abit.. This is absolute rubbish and you know it. These days CAOD is just repeated threads filled with Goon spam and cut and paste meme's, none of it particularly informative, witty, or amusing. There was a time Goons didn't post on CAOD and it was certainly better for it. And I say that as someone who used to pretty much loathe BoB, but the Goons have successfully turned that one around with their incessant spam. BoB used to post a lot, and yes it was full of spin and chestbeating, but it was nothing like what it is today with endless cyclical trolling. The general vibe these days is - open thread, scroll down one page of 90% goon cut and paste memes, roll eyes, close thread. This forum is basically a waste of time for anyone who doesn't pay money to post on SA. Which incidentally, is most well adjusted human beings. But then I suppose I should expect nothing better from an online 'community' who's real lives are so incredibly lacking they do pay RL money to post on a forum, and wear it as a kind of strange badge of pride. There really is no limit to the stupidity of the human race.



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