Before this gets trolled to high heaven, I believe I have a valid point when I say why is it that when CCP know full well they have made a huge error of judgement they become quiet about it on the forums and don't respond to topics made about said problem.

I used to love incursions, I was by no means one of these guys that farm them on a daily basis from morning until night. I will however stand up for the incursion community and say that what has happened is stupid and believe CCP to have made a monumental error of judgement with the changes that took place.

Its as if CCP made these changes without first testing them themselves, to check for balance.

You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI. It used to a viable source of income but now the bat has been swung so hard that Incursions if left as is, will be another wasted feature. I was personally making billions of isk per week making robotics but with the changes thats no longer possible and not worth the extra time and effort.

CCP waved goodbye to 2 paid accounts because of the most dumbass changes ever in PI.

Why do you not respond CCP to this and to the petition made and signed by many. You know you have done wrong and you know you have got to re balance this properly as well as speak about this in the open as promised months ago.

CCP please respond.

Additional : This is a serious topic but I knoe alot of you are going to make immature stupid comments like a child would. So feel free and be that child.

I used to love incursions,
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You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI. It used to a viable source of income but now the bat has been swung so hard that Incursions if left as is, will be another wasted feature.

Instant gratification child spotted.

The reason behind this post is that CCP said that assault sites pay would increase, but instead the spawns in the assault have considerably increased. It takes longer to do them by quite a long way.

Vangaurds have gone from 3-4 minute sites up to about 13 minutes with a pay decrease and LP decrease which I guess is fair enough in honesty but the assaults change is what most of the guys on this forum are biting hard about. Time required to complete these sites I feel is more the reason for this forum rage and actually not the ISK change.

About myself personally, I am not greedy at all ...

The reason behind this post is that CCP said that assault sites pay would increase, but instead the spawns in the assault have considerably increased. It takes longer to do them by quite a long way.

but with the changes thats no longer possible and not worth the extra time and effort.

Its as if CCP made these changes without first testing them themselves, to check for balance.

You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI. It used to a viable source of income but now the bat has been swung so hard that Incursions if left as is, will be another wasted feature.

I was personally making billions of isk per week making robotics but with the changes thats no longer possible and not worth the extra time and effort.

You can still make billions with making robotics. In lowsec and 0.0, where _you_ wont go.

Without income you cannot do anything in this game. I pvp and sometimes I win sometimes I lose and ships these days cost a lot of isk.

I aspire to own a supercarrier one day I'm some billions away and its hard work when your not in a huge alliance who spits supers and titans out like they're nothing.

Additional : This is an emorant topic but I knoe alot of you are going to call me immature stupid comments like I am a child. So feel free and let me be that child.

I wonder why that is? There are a lot of reasons - but one might be that Incursion runners can afford to pay absurd prices for ships. Fortunately, with less ISK floating around, eventually things should become affordable again, and not just by Incursion runners.


Yes. Supers tend to be operated by large alliances and not easy to afford by individual players in hi-sec. You say that like it's a bad thing.

No I was simply stating that to show I am not game rich. I work very hard for anything I have.

Before this gets trolled to high heaven, I believe I have a valid point when I say why is it that when CCP know full well they have made a huge error of judgement they become quiet about it on the forums and don't respond to topics made about said problem.

I used to love incursions, I was by no means one of these guys that farm them on a daily basis from morning until night. I will however stand up for the incursion community and say that what has happened is stupid and believe CCP to have made a monumental error of judgement with the changes that took place.

Its as if CCP made these changes without first testing them themselves, to check for balance.

You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI. It used to a viable source of income but now the bat has been swung so hard that Incursions if left as is, will be another wasted feature. I was personally making billions of isk per week making robotics but with the changes thats no longer possible and not worth the extra time and effort.

CCP waved goodbye to 2 paid accounts because of the most dumbass changes ever in PI.

Why do you not respond CCP to this and to the petition made and signed by many. You know you have done wrong and you know you have got to re balance this properly as well as speak about this in the open as promised months ago.

CCP please respond.

Additional : This is a serious topic but I knoe alot of you are going to make immature stupid comments like a child would. So feel free and be that child.

Perhaps if you provided an actual argument instead of "this is wrong because I'm not making fist-fulls of money". Maybe then we could have an actual conversation.

You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI. It used to a viable source of income but now the bat has been swung so hard that Incursions if left as is, will be another wasted feature. I was personally making billions of isk per week making robotics but with the changes thats no longer possible and not worth the extra time and effort.

CCP waved goodbye to 2 paid accounts because of the most dumbass changes ever in PI.

No I was simply stating that to show I am not game rich. I work very hard for anything I have.

Hint, stop whining and do some HQs.

I'm going to stamp my feet, and hold my breath, till CCP puts incursions and PI back the whay they were, so I can make fistfulls of ISK like before.

However, CCP did totaly over nurf incursions and yeah....... uncool

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incursions arent v good anymore

Before this gets trolled to high heaven, I believe I have a valid point when I say why is it that when CCP know full well they have made a huge error of judgement they become quiet about it on the forums and don't respond to topics made about said problem.

I used to love incursions, I was by no means one of these guys that farm them on a daily basis from morning until night. I will however stand up for the incursion community and say that what has happened is stupid and believe CCP to have made a monumental error of judgement with the changes that took place.

Its as if CCP made these changes without first testing them themselves, to check for balance.

You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI. It used to a viable source of income but now the bat has been swung so hard that Incursions if left as is, will be another wasted feature. I was personally making billions of isk per week making robotics but with the changes thats no longer possible and not worth the extra time and effort.

CCP waved goodbye to 2 paid accounts because of the most dumbass changes ever in PI.

Why do you not respond CCP to this and to the petition made and signed by many. You know you have done wrong and you know you have got to re balance this properly as well as speak about this in the open as promised months ago.

CCP please respond.

Additional : This is a serious topic but I knoe alot of you are going to make immature stupid comments like a child would. So feel free and be that child.

You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI.

What's wrong with PI?

Aside OP's obvious love for easy money instead of incursions themselves - he is correct about incursions becoming obsolete: there was only single shield fleet active (40 people) today during peak time + minuscule Russian VG shield fleet and maybe ISN and couple TDF armor fleets - making it less than 100 people total. During peak hours in Sunday.

At present pace of degradation we have a good chance to see publicly available incursions communities disappear in a couple of weeks. Could be nice to hear anything concrete about plans to re-animate incursions asap - like re-creating OTA vanguards, replacing logic of fleet splitting, making influence bar moving faster.

Maybe making billions per week with a zero risk, bottable activity was not balanced and in line with other income venues?

Actually if you look at examples like incarna, and the recent UI changes, CCP are very well aware when they have messed up and they respond very rapidly.

The simple truth is that a lot of people are happy about the incursion changes, and the ones that aren't are a small minority. Also, why are you making a new thread for this? One already exists.

Aside OP's obvious love for easy money instead of incursions themselves - he is correct about incursions becoming obsolete: there was only single shield fleet active (40 people) today during peak time + minuscule Russian VG shield fleet and maybe ISN and couple TDF armor fleets - making it less than 100 people total. During peak hours in Sunday.

At present pace of degradation we have a good chance to see publicly available incursions communities disappear in a couple of weeks. Could be nice to hear anything concrete about plans to re-animate incursions asap - like re-creating OTA vanguards, replacing logic of fleet splitting, making influence bar moving faster.

Bots are a very serious problem.

I think Null Alliances who turn bots blue should have their leaders banned permanently.

Bots are a very serious problem.

I think Hisec Alliances who turn bots blue should have their leaders banned permanently.

Most Eve players didn't care about incursions.

The real whiners were involved in RMT.

Are you involved in RMT?

I'm sorry, are we not having fun anymore?

I will admit that Eve does not protect it's pretty boys on the forums like other companies do.

I must have completely imagined all the "nerf incursion" threads that popped up every few days in GD and F&I.

I'm sure the gradual decimation of PvE in low, null and worm holes was my imagination too.

CCP did honestly go overboard with the incursion nerf.
Look at the communities and the incursions. 4/5 of the incursion runners are gone to other places.

So basically what your saying is, people only did incursions because it was a massive payout? And there was me thinking it was about immersive team gameplay and enjoyment that incursion runners were looking for.

Cascade Imminent was an official high-sec incursion alliance as far as PvE went for the heady days of unnerfed Incursions.

Did you do incursions?

Before this gets trolled to high heaven, I believe I have a valid point when I say why is it that when CCP know full well they have made a huge error of judgement they become quiet about it on the forums and don't respond to topics made about said problem.

I used to love incursions, I was by no means one of these guys that farm them on a daily basis from morning until night. I will however stand up for the incursion community and say that what has happened is stupid and believe CCP to have made a monumental error of judgement with the changes that took place.

Its as if CCP made these changes without first testing them themselves, to check for balance.

You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI. It used to a viable source of income but now the bat has been swung so hard that Incursions if left as is, will be another wasted feature. I was personally making billions of isk per week making robotics but with the changes thats no longer possible and not worth the extra time and effort.

CCP waved goodbye to 2 paid accounts because of the most dumbass changes ever in PI.

Why do you not respond CCP to this and to the petition made and signed by many. You know you have done wrong and you know you have got to re balance this properly as well as speak about this in the open as promised months ago.

CCP please respond.

Additional : This is a serious topic but I knoe alot of you are going to make immature stupid comments like a child would. So feel free and be that child.

They really didn't.

Those people were only after the money not the challange and teamwork.

The problem: New content is too popular, ppl are resubbing to play it.

Does that really matter?
CCP put out something new as an expansion, people en mass went out doing them, then CCP nerved it and as a result this specific expansion content is pretty much dead.

If you create a giant ISK fountain that gives out free ISK, would people go out en masse and use it? Yes. Does that mean it's good for the game? No.

Are you still having fun running the sites? Then keep running them.

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The problem: New content is too popular, ppl are resubbing to play it.

The solution: Kill it with fire.

CCP accomplished its goal of making it so that contents that took time and money to develop is wasted. This is why Eve player base is still so small after a decade.

I see what you did there.


Yes, because people weren't doing Incursions because they were fun, people were doing them because they had become the most viable way to make ISK in Eve.

This was killing wormholes, exploration, null sec and mission running. Not to mention the fact that having one of the highest ISK professions in the game centre around high sec was a complete screw up of the sand box element of Eve online.

If you create a giant ISK fountain that gives out free ISK, would people go out en masse and use it? Yes. Does that mean it's good for the game? No.

And what do you do with all the ISK?

Before this gets trolled to high heaven, I believe I have a valid point when I say why is it that when CCP know full well they have made a huge error of judgement they become quiet about it on the forums and don't respond to topics made about said problem.

I used to love incursions, I was by no means one of these guys that farm them on a daily basis from morning until night. I will however stand up for the incursion community and say that what has happened is stupid and believe CCP to have made a monumental error of judgement with the changes that took place.

Its as if CCP made these changes without first testing them themselves, to check for balance.

You seem to have achieved with incursions what you have done with PI. It used to a viable source of income but now the bat has been swung so hard that Incursions if left as is, will be another wasted feature. I was personally making billions of isk per week making robotics but with the changes thats no longer possible and not worth the extra time and effort.

CCP waved goodbye to 2 paid accounts because of the most dumbass changes ever in PI.

Why do you not respond CCP to this and to the petition made and signed by many. You know you have done wrong and you know you have got to re balance this properly as well as speak about this in the open as promised months ago.

CCP please respond.

Additional : This is a serious topic but I knoe alot of you are going to make immature stupid comments like a child would. So feel free and be that child.

Why is that any of your (or anyone else') business?

Go run null incursions then. It pays a lot more. What's keeping you?

From being overpaying, they where turned into content barely no-one wants to run anymore.

Go run null incursions then. It pays a lot more. What's keeping you?

Yes, because people weren't doing Incursions because they were fun, people were doing them because they had become the most viable way to make ISK in Eve.

This was killing wormholes, exploration, null sec and mission running. Not to mention the fact that having one of the highest ISK professions in the game centre around high sec was a complete screw up of the sand box element of Eve online.

If you create a giant ISK fountain that gives out free ISK, would people go out en masse and use it? Yes. Does that mean it's good for the game? No.

Why don't people want to run them anymore?

Wormholes aren't dying (they're one of the few places that have *worked* from the get-go.

Exploration is still a crap shoot, but if you stick with it, it pays as much if not more than incursions (just not as "dependable").

I aspire to own a supercarrier one day

Wormholes were becoming more and more empty. They're still pretty bad, but I've seen a slight increase in the number of people in them since the incursion nerf. This is supported by the corresponding drop in ribbon prices, so I'm guessing my observations are correct when I say people are back running WHs.

(Including quite a few people mining, which I probably have the drone region changes to thank for)

Exploration in low sec pays less than incursions pre-nerf, null sec probably about equal. Post-nerf incursions pay less than null sec exploration, as it should be. Although probably still more than low sec exploration, from what I've heard dual boxing HQs is still pretty damn good ISK.


(nullsec exploration stuffz)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms - 3:30 mark, WH space gained approx 25% more players from Q1 2011 to Q1 2012 (also note: @ the 3:30 mark, Dr E states "as eve gets older and larger, we are into the "Law of Large Numbers": "All changes will be gradual and slow"). *You* may not have seen more people, but over the last year, more and more people were finding WH's to be a viable alternative to Sov Sec...

Your comments about exploration / incursions: /shrug - I have had weeks where my isk was better from exploration than incursions, but to each his own . . . .

I notice that you didn't address my statements about Sov Sec being it's own worst enemy and that Missions have been nerfed to hell and back...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms - 3:30 mark, WH space gained approx 25% more players from Q1 2011 to Q1 2012 (also note: @ the 3:30 mark, Dr E states "as eve gets older and larger, we are into the "Law of Large Numbers": "All changes will be gradual and slow"). *You* may not have seen more people, but over the last year, more and more people were finding WH's to be a viable alternative to Sov Sec...

Your comments about exploration / incursions: /shrug - I have had weeks where my isk was better from exploration than incursions, but to each his own . . . .

I notice that you didn't address my statements about Sov Sec being it's own worst enemy and that Missions have been nerfed to hell and back...

/me stamps his feet and picks his nose.

Engaging in a social activity and meeting new people who you might otherwise never engage with, or getting together with a group of good friends to do a fun activity are irrelevant and meaningless, the only thing that matters is isk per hour. If something doesn't earn the largest possible quantity of fictional currency it isn't worth doing and you may as well go back to grinding L4s in your CNR 23/7 by yourself in your 1 man corp because the experience and outcome is exactly the same.

Carebears make me want to vomit.

Before this gets trolled to high heaven, I believe I have a valid point when I say why is it that when CCP know full well they have made a huge error of judgement they become quiet about it on the forums and don't respond to topics made about said problem.
CCP please respond.

Additional : This is a serious topic but I knoe alot of you are going to make immature stupid comments like a child would. So feel free and be that child.

CCP's response so far seems to be lip service IMHO they've got a wait & see attidue in hopes it'll blow over. The problems with Inferno were predictable & before the shiate hit the fan they could have done something but held off with a promise to do something maybe next month. I'm not holding my breath.
The only thread which saw any official CCP replies was locked 2 weeks ago...
Unsubbing I guess is the only thing that gets thier attention.

Whats even worse Goons can hold CCP to ransom and basicaly have what ever they want in the game, we couild all be flying pink my lil ponys which fire rainbows out of thier a$$ if they wanted.