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Wild Winnie	Posted - 2009.03.09 02:29:00 - [1] -its simply too easy to get stuck in a WH. If someone besides yourself or your crew jumpin the gate out will collaps. Now this doesnt sound like much of a deal until you try to scan youself out. Note! since most WH has dosens of cosmic anomalities scanning them all out might take days if at all possible. I had to selfdestruct my faction fitted golem to get out..... Solution to this is to make it easier to scan out a WH from inside one, or atleast provide information it is of right type alot earlier. I suggest you are noted its a WH at 5% signal when already inside. Unless somthing is done theres a big risk of griefing/ransom people inside a WH
But Sects	Posted - 2009.03.09 02:35:00 - [2] Your the reason McDonald's has to put warnings on coffee cups saying "This cup is hot!"
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.03.09 02:35:00 - [3] Quote: -its simply too easy to get stuck in a WH. If someone besides yourself or your crew jumpin the gate out will collaps. Now this doesnt sound like much of a deal until you try to scan youself out. So w-space isn't ezmode solozone where you can jump in and out at will. Sounds good to me. Quote: Note! since most WH has dosens of cosmic anomalities scanning them all out might take days if at all possible. I had to selfdestruct my faction fitted golem to get out..... a) You suck at scanning, and/or b) You didn't use a dedicated scanship Most likely both. Quote: Solution to this is to make it easier to scan out a WH from inside one, or atleast provide information it is of right type alot earlier. I suggest you are noted its a WH at 5% signal when already inside. No. The inability to choose what to look for balances out how insanely fast you can probe ** out in the new system Quote:** Unless somthing is done theres a big risk of griefing/ransom people inside a WH I think that's the point.
Fallen 187	Posted - 2009.03.09 02:41:00 - [4] This is why EVE got me hooked 2yrs ago....cause it's difficult and not a walk in the park..Adapt or die
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.03.09 03:14:00 - [5] So... your complaint is that wormhole space, which it has been explicitly stated is designed to be easy to get stuck/lost in, is easy to get stuck/lost in? Get back under your bridge. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Phrixus Zephyr Prospero Incorperated	Posted - 2009.03.09 03:15:00 - [6] Originally by: But Sects Your the reason McDonald's has to put warnings on coffee cups saying "This cup is hot!"
Ferria Caldari FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2009.03.09 03:46:00 - [7] Thank you for the description, and letting me know that My plan to get lost for the next 6 months in W-space is totally possible
Horchan Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.09 03:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Wild Winnie -its simply too easy to get stuck in a WH. If someone besides yourself or your crew jumpin the gate out will collaps. Now this doesnt sound like much of a deal until you try to scan youself out. Note! since most WH has dosens of cosmic anomalities scanning them all out might take days if at all possible. I had to selfdestruct my faction fitted golem to get out..... Solution to this is to make it easier to scan out a WH from inside one, or atleast provide information it is of right type alot earlier. I suggest you are noted its a WH at 5% signal when already inside. Unless somthing is done theres a big risk of griefing/ransom people inside a WH Yes, and? You've obviously missed the entire point of W-space, and it's clearly not for you. --- DesuSigs
Wild Winnie	Posted - 2009.03.09 04:19:00 - [9] Let me fraze the devblog: ------------------ While there will always be a way ‘out' of whatever W-space system you are in, there are no guarantees that it will take you where you want to go. The mechanic is deliberately designed so that you can get lost and it may take some time for you to escape back to K-space with whatever treasures you've managed to salvage. The only sure fire option that will get you where you want to go is to eject in your pod and clone jump home the old fashioned way. ------------- The problem here is that SOME TIME is actually several days if possible at all, and unless you have tried to scan your way out from a WH then STUFFIT!!!! Probing is not easy in any ship after they added deviation, and when you have >20 hits to scan out it will take days even from a "lowsec" WH. THIS ISNT "CAN GET LOST" THIS IS "WILL GET STUCK FOR A WEEK SCANNING"
Artemis Dragmire Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.03.09 04:40:00 - [10] If you bookmark the wormhole that you come in from, it will still be there when you go back, unless you collapsed it when you came through. If you right click the wormhole prior to jumping and click "show info" it will show you an estimate of how close it is to collapsing. If it's near collapse and you're in a busy system you probably don't want to risk bringing a ship in that doesn't have a probe launcher - even if you don't collapse it, the next person might. Of course, the alternative, like so many things in EVE, is don't do everything in busy systems. Find a quiet system where if you find a wormhole it's not too likely that anyone else will be using it (at least on that end), and that way, you can watch over the mass limit a little better. If you DO manage to get stuck... well I hope you fit a probe launcher. If not, it's either eject-self destruct time, or you had better start hoping that someone finds your WH system and is willing to let you piggy back out on their Wormhole. (Maybe even for a fee) This is all GREAT gameplay... you need to be careful when going out into the unknown. And when it comes down to it, what's the worst that can happen? You lose your ship, and your pod. It's no more risky than going into 0.0 when you think about it in those terms. And WH-space is 0.0... it's just 0.0 you can get to from ANYWHERE. If it's too hot for you, stick with something safer.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.03.09 04:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Fallen 187 This is why EVE got me hooked 2yrs ago....cause it's difficult and not a walk in the park..Adapt or die can you idiots please stop shaming Darwin? thanks.
bomber80133	Posted - 2009.03.09 04:42:00 - [12] Edited by: bomber80133 on 09/03/2009 04:41:59 You f***king noobs. Try to actually go into one before you start trolling and whining. I was in one earlier, proof: Clicky The more mass goes in, the smaller the WH gets until its so small it collapses. If to many people go in, obviously it closes. When in big fleets, bring 1-2 scanners with you and stop whining. Sometimes you have to sacrifice something to get something.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.03.09 04:54:00 - [13] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 09/03/2009 04:55:41 Originally by: bomber80133 Edited by: bomber80133 on 09/03/2009 04:41:59 You f**king noobs. Try to actually go into one before you start trolling and whining. I was in one earlier, proof: Clicky Lol, so you ran with the masses and went into a wormhole someone else showed you? Doesnt make you the exploration expert really. FYI, op is about how wormholes have a ton of signatures to probe down, something you obviously didnt bother to try or you'd see that finding a new way somewhere* can take you days if you are unlucky, let alone the signatures you can only probe with maxed skills if at all which dont make it easier. He's not asking for an easy way back home, he's asking for a way out of the current system that is easier to find, no matter where it leads. Getting lost isnt a problem to gameplay, but getting stuck is.
bomber80133	Posted - 2009.03.09 05:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 09/03/2009 04:55:41 Originally by: bomber80133 Edited by: bomber80133 on 09/03/2009 04:41:59 You f**king noobs. Try to actually go into one before you start trolling and whining. I was in one earlier, proof: Clicky Lol, so you ran with the masses and went into a wormhole someone else showed you? Doesnt make you the exploration expert really. FYI, op is about how wormholes have a ton of signatures to probe down, something you obviously didnt bother to try or you'd see that finding a new way somewhere* can take you days if you are unlucky, let alone the signatures you can only probe with maxed skills if at all which dont make it easier. He's not asking for an easy way back home, he's asking for a way out of the current system that is easier to find, no matter where it leads. Getting lost isnt a problem to gameplay, but getting stuck is. I scanned it up, dropped a bookmark and picked up the raven smartass.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.03.09 05:08:00 - [15] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 09/03/2009 05:08:41 Originally by: bomber80133 I scanned it up, dropped a bookmark and picked up the raven smartass. And succesfully probed your way out of system after it collapsed? How many sigs did you have to probe before you found the exit, and how many hours did you probe? Did you find it difficult to separate 10+ signatures in a 4au radius while hunting for a specific one?
Wild Winnie	Posted - 2009.03.09 05:11:00 - [16] Originally by: bomber80133 Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 09/03/2009 04:55:41 Originally by: bomber80133 Edited by: bomber80133 on 09/03/2009 04:41:59 You f**king noobs. Try to actually go into one before you start trolling and whining. I was in one earlier, proof: Clicky Lol, so you ran with the masses and went into a wormhole someone else showed you? Doesnt make you the exploration expert really. FYI, op is about how wormholes have a ton of signatures to probe down, something you obviously didnt bother to try or you'd see that finding a new way somewhere* can take you days if you are unlucky, let alone the signatures you can only probe with maxed skills if at all which dont make it easier. He's not asking for an easy way back home, he's asking for a way out of the current system that is easier to find, no matter where it leads. Getting lost isnt a problem to gameplay, but getting stuck is. I scanned it up, dropped a bookmark and picked up the raven smartass. LOL Wich means you havent tried to scan inside the wormhole wich is the entire problem..... If this is no such biggi, jump yourself in and out of a WH till it closes and then scan your way out. Id like a report on how long it took you. See ya in a couple weeks....
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.03.09 05:19:00 - [17] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 09/03/2009 05:19:21 Quote: THIS ISNT "CAN GET LOST" THIS IS "WILL GET STUCK FOR A WEEK SCANNING" So a solo marauder (aka not a real scanship) wont be a great solow-spaceboat? Good. W-space isn't "Hey I'll go solo rat in w-space for awhile". Bring friends (preferably with dedicated scanships) and/or be ready to stay in w-space for awhile.
Karen Kassad	Posted - 2009.03.09 05:44:00 - [18] Edited by: Karen Kassad on 09/03/2009 05:46:52 Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 09/03/2009 05:19:21 Quote: THIS ISNT "CAN GET LOST" THIS IS "WILL GET STUCK FOR A WEEK SCANNING" So a solo marauder (aka not a real scanship) wont be a great solow-spaceboat? Good. W-space isn't "Hey I'll go solo rat in w-space for awhile". Bring friends (preferably with dedicated scanships) and/or be ready to stay in w-space for awhile. This has nothing to do with dedicated scan ships, there are simply to many sigs. Even if you scan them down one at a time and BM them the deviation will make you run in circles. Some systems i got 20+ hits, 1 of those is a WH... If you cant go one at a time to narrow the field, you are left with blind luck. There needs to be something, even simply boosting their strength would work. Or making it so the Unknown, Radar, Ladar etc shows up sooner. Or really just let me X-out hits that I have already scanned down so I don't chase my tail, I can handle scanning 20 sigs, but scanning 20 sigs 10 times is not fun. I will reinforce what others have said, if you havnt scanned in W-Space for a way out, you have no idea, it is worse than you think. Hard is one thing, then there is just blatantly annoying. Edit: One more thing, having multiple scanning ships only kinda helps you can say well you take that half ill take this, but you will still have people scanning down the same site.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.03.09 05:51:00 - [19] sounds like the mechanic is working!! still wish they would change the scanning system to let your ship act as a low range medium strenght probe though. on-board scanner plus 3 probes would be the best scanning system imo. that way in wormhole space you could find asteroid belts and such without a probe launcher.
Karen Kassad	Posted - 2009.03.09 06:03:00 - [20] Go try and find what you are looking for in W-Space, you will find plenty of things but when you are looking for a specific type, good luck. Overall i love the new scanning system but not having any way of differentiating types of sites plus very large numbers of hits + large deviations equals a flawed system. Two of those is perfect but all three is just to much.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.03.09 06:07:00 - [21] Quote: This has nothing to do with dedicated scan ships, there are simply to many sigs. Even if you scan them down one at a time and BM them the deviation will make you run in circles. Some systems i got 20+ hits, 1 of those is a WH... If you cant go one at a time to narrow the field, you are left with blind luck. There needs to be something, even simply boosting their strength would work. Or making it so the Unknown, Radar, Ladar etc shows up sooner. Or really just let me X-out hits that I have already scanned down so I don't chase my tail, I can handle scanning 20 sigs, but scanning 20 sigs 10 times is not fun. You don't need to probe a site down completely before you know what it is. You should be able to rule sites out pretty quickly.
rValdez5987 Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2009.03.09 06:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Stitcher So... your complaint is that wormhole space, which it has been explicitly stated is designed to be easy to get stuck/lost in, is easy to get stuck/lost in? Get back under your bridge. Quotin dis because im down. Also I lol'd and spewed coffee all over my desk. You owe me a new keyboard you w-a-n-k-e-r! But seriously haven't you even noticed my post already ended and your reading my sig?
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.03.09 06:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Kahega Amielden You don't need to probe a site down completely before you know what it is. You should be able to rule sites out pretty quickly. You cant bookmark them, and hence have no way to place a 'marker' on the map to rule it out in subsequent scans. The problem comes when there are lots of sigs in a tight cluster, try ruling them out without really probing them all down, its next to impossible. Going by the type is fine and dandy for probing the way in as you usually have only a few sigs around, but once inside when you have 30 minimum it is a real pain.
Venemene Logistics Analysis	Posted - 2009.03.09 07:03:00 - [24] So I'm stuck in W-space (entered through hi-sec), in a rigged buzzard, with level 4/5 for all skills, and i can attest to the impossibility of finding an exit wormhole. It's pretty simple scanning the outer planets that's further out to rule out certain sigs, but once I get to planet 6, theres 12 sigs overlapping with P5, and a 4AU scan from P1 gives 20 sigs. The current system just doesn't seem to allow for an exit to be found without spending endless hours and getting extremely lucky.
Ancyra L'Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.09 07:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Lilith Velkor You cant bookmark them, and hence have no way to place a 'marker' on the map to rule it out in subsequent scans. Eh...wat? When you sit outside the wormhole, open people and places, add bookmark, profit?
Catrina Denaries Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.09 07:13:00 - [26] Goddamn, mo-fo alts >.< ----- The yarr is strong with this one.
Grey Point Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.09 07:15:00 - [27] Edited by: Grey Point on 09/03/2009 07:16:24 I went into a WH for the first time tonight. I'd never used the scanning mechanism before tonight. Upon entering, I decided the first thing I'd do was try to find another WH. With just the first system-wide scan, I felt overwhelmed with the number of hits I was getting. I thought it'd take forever to find another WH. I found another WH within 15 minutes. Same story for the three other W-systems I went through, eventually finding my way back to k-space. The whole process took me about an hour. Just scan, doofus :/
Dread Jack	Posted - 2009.03.09 07:32:00 - [28] Edited by: Dread Jack on 09/03/2009 07:33:51 The OP has a valid point. Trolls, try this yourself or go home. In a w-space with many planets, you have the potential for dozens of signatures and no way to filter or eliminate unwanted sites. I scanned for 12 hours searching for a wormhole exit and did not find one. How many EvE players have this kind of time to dedicate at one sitting before all those sites change? If all I did every time I was able to log in was scan scan scan, I'd quickly quit EvE. That said, the devs seem pretty proud of this monstrosity of a time sink they've created. "Working as intended". Keep this cautionary tale in mind when you venture into the unknown.
Arous Drephius Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.09 07:33:00 - [29] So despite everything that's been said about how you're meant to be able to get stuck, you took a faction fitted golem without a dedicated scanner into w-space? Anyone else failing to see this idiot's problem here?
Venemene Logistics Analysis	Posted - 2009.03.09 07:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Arous Drephius So despite everything that's been said about how you're meant to be able to get stuck, you took a faction fitted golem without a dedicated scanner into w-space? Anyone else failing to see this idiot's problem here? try reading the whole thread

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