Being a Caldari I have always feel underpowered in my Eve online life. Treated as a second degree citizen in all incursion sites, always picked last when there is no one else to invite, waiting a few hours just to get in to an incursion fleet. It is all non sense. This is clearly a game design flaw and developers are wasting their times on non essential things. They must either change missile damage mechanics or provide better missile ships or simply REMOVE defender missiles from NPC ships. It is already non-sense seeing NPC battleships with micro warp drives, defender missiles, amazing dps and amazing defences. Nearly all npc ships have defender missiles. DPS of missile ships is already low and seeing it diminished more by hidden defender mechanic fills me with rage and frustration. Moreover when missiles suffer from these things they now try to change the missile effects. It is same as saying 'Yes we know missiles suck so we give you new amazing effects to forget how awful they are and provide a visual satisfaction". I don't know why the hell I even wasted time on torpedoes V. I have never seen anyone use torpedoes, never. So why they are still in game, just remove them because they are not used. Eve must go under some serious combat mechanic changes cause there are lots of things in game which does not make any sense (especially in missiles), supremely illogical things that gives so much frustration to players (at least to me). I don't think having some missile effects will solve the issue.

drake is the 1st ship people choose for pvp (maybe these days this is not true but was some time ago)
tengu is the 1st ship for almost ANY purposes you can have. Because of.... missiles are part of this success.

i guess this is not true that missiles just suck. instead maybe incursion fleets suck?

Being a Caldari I have always feel underpowered in my Eve online life. Treated as a second degree citizen in all incursion sites, always picked last when there is no one else to invite, waiting a few hours just to get in to an incursion fleet. It is all non sense.

I don't know why the hell I even wasted time on torpedoes V. I have never seen anyone use torpedoes, never. So why they are still in game, just remove them because they are not used.

... 2-3 bong launchers....

This is clearly a game design flaw and developers are wasting their times on non essential things.

As of now the only viable missiles are hams and hm.

Seeing as the problem is the flight time and not the dps per se there cannot be a solution.

Missile flight time is not an issue btw. I play smart, so I stop sending missiles to a target when it is at 50% armor and start on a new target. That way you won't waste any salvo, and by the time your last salvo hits the target will be dead in a few seconds so no dps loss there. The problem is low dps on caldari ships, and defender missiles on NPC ships. I don't even want to mention explosion radius non sense. After giving it a good thought there are lots of things that is wrong with gameplay mechanics. But these are like this for over years and don't think developers will even bother to chance them. They are more oriented on cosmetic changes right now. What Eve requires is a solid combat revamp like most of the MMORPG games did. I don't even want to start counting illogical things cause there are lots of things that need to be changed which will deeply effect gameplay.

These are just my thoughts but my point that is more solid then ever is missiles/torpedoes need to be revamped. Ofc Eve needs a solid combat revamp over a solid expansion. I can even pay for one expansion if they will bring a good one like 'Wrath of the Lich King' or 'Cataclysm' expansions of World of Warcraft. (Btw I am not defending wow , it is a silly game if you ask me, but their expansions are very good examples of how an expansion should be).

But first things first, missile mechanics need to be changed without doubt.

And yes Tengu is a good ship, and you can do other things as well instead of incursions, but that does not verify missiles are in par with guns/blasters which they should be.

Rockets are fine, torps are fine for what they do.

Honestly, I would like to see the following:

Missile/rocket based destroyer: the only option is t2. Could we please get a missile dessie that could mount 8 standard or rocket launchers, or 4 rapid standard launchers?

A few pirate faction based missile boats. Yeah, the worm, gila, and rattlesnake are nice... But are drone boats. How about some pirate faction love?

A heavy bomber... 2-3 bong launchers, no tank, no covert op cloak. Could be way too overpowered, but fun.

Missile flight time is not an issue btw. I play smart, so I stop sending missiles to a target when it is at 50% armor and start on a new target. That way you won't waste any salvo, and by the time your last salvo hits the target will be dead in a few seconds so no dps loss there. The problem is low dps on caldari ships, and defender missiles on NPC ships. I don't even want to mention explosion radius non sense. After giving it a good thought there are lots of things that is wrong with gameplay mechanics. But these are like this for over years and don't think developers will even bother to chance them. They are more oriented on cosmetic changes right now. What Eve requires is a solid combat revamp like most of the MMORPG games did. I don't even want to start counting illogical things cause there are lots of things that need to be changed which will deeply effect gameplay.

These are just my thoughts but my point that is more solid then ever is missiles/torpedoes need to be revamped. Ofc Eve needs a solid combat revamp over a solid expansion. I can even pay for one expansion if they will bring a good one like 'Wrath of the Lich King' or 'Cataclysm' expansions of World of Warcraft. (Btw I am not defending wow , it is a silly game if you ask me, but their expansions are very good examples of how an expansion should be).

But first things first, missile mechanics need to be changed without doubt.

And yes Tengu is a good ship, and you can do other things as well instead of incursions, but that does not verify missiles are in par with guns/blasters which they should be.

No they're not.

And even if they're decent they're vastly inferior to other weapon systems.

Being a Caldari I have always feel underpowered in my Eve online life.

Being a Caldari I have always feel underpowered in my Eve online life.

What is a bong launcher?

and aren't affected by TDs (which are a pain, even in missions)