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Carton Mantory Occassus Republica Trade Wind Commodities 10	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:19:00 - [31] - Quote I am thinking that this is not only testing CCP hardware but has awakened CCP management. We need to allow for more high sec battles. Maybe we should allow war decs to be passed on to others by fleet invite.
Xenuria Center Haus Apocalypse Now. 508	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:19:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Goliath wrote: We raise and lower the cap based on technological factors - if the system is getting hammered repeatedly, sometimes it has to be lowered to ensure performance. Simple as that. That is not right though! One of the biggest selling points of EVE is that all of the players are on one single shard, NOT realms. If players are literally prevented from participating in a large scale event that just happens to be in a trade hub or system that should be reinforced anyway then the game is going to stop being a sandbox and start being a typical MMO. The Future of GoonSwarm
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6319	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:22:00 - [33] - Quote Xenuria wrote: One of the biggest selling points of EVE is that all of the players are on one single shard, NOT realms. GÇªand having a limit to the population in a single system does not change this. Quote: If players are literally prevented from participating in a large scale event that just happens to be in a trade hub or system that should be reinforced anyway then the game is going to stop being a sandbox and start being a typical MMO. No it won't. It will be the exact same sandbox (since population caps don't dictate the sandbox:ness of the game), with the same limitations it has always had. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 483	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:23:00 - [34] - Quote Lame excuses everywhere. Population was peaked at around 2300 last night. This is just ccps way of protecting jita. I have more space likes than you.-á
Midge Mo'yb Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 159	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:25:00 - [35] - Quote Tippia wrote: adam smash wrote: Capping the system = instance. Unless they spawn a new Jita for people who can't get into the first oneGÇª no. in fact, if anything, the opposite is true: Population cap = limit to how many can use a location. Instance = no population cap, just direct people to new instance. Midge Mo'yb wrote: how is this a troll, ive been sat in jita for 3-4 hours now, the system seems to be handing the load perfectly well Sitting in station, or flying in space? both
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1053	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:25:00 - [36] - Quote Miilla wrote: You have all the entire Eve universe and you are crying about Jita. Seriously. If you really want to see jita.. go here http://www.twitch.tv/daopa do you actually have any concept of this game besides trolling the forums? theres a dozen reasons to be in Jita atm and none of them involve curiosity besides the point that it has nothing to do with the ability to log into a system and everything to do about lowering pop caps on a reinforced system with less actual shooting than there was last night with a higher cap. like I said, do try and keep up with the bigger picture here The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Fuujin GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 98	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:25:00 - [37] - Quote Xenuria wrote: CCP Goliath wrote: We raise and lower the cap based on technological factors - if the system is getting hammered repeatedly, sometimes it has to be lowered to ensure performance. Simple as that. That is not right though! One of the biggest selling points of EVE is that all of the players are on one single shard, NOT realms. If players are literally prevented from participating in a large scale event that just happens to be in a trade hub or system that should be reinforced anyway then the game is going to stop being a sandbox and start being a typical MMO. OK, no surprise you don't know what instances are either. Hisec pubbies are so adorably clueless.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1680	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:26:00 - [38] - Quote Xenuria wrote: CCP Goliath wrote: We raise and lower the cap based on technological factors - if the system is getting hammered repeatedly, sometimes it has to be lowered to ensure performance. Simple as that. That is not right though! One of the biggest selling points of EVE is that all of the players are on one single shard, NOT realms. If players are literally prevented from participating in a large scale event that just happens to be in a trade hub or system that should be reinforced anyway then the game is going to stop being a sandbox and start being a typical MMO. No one is being prevented from entering the area, however there may be a slight delay. Today is no different than any other day in Jita as far as that is concerned. Understand there is one hell of a lot more server traffic going on under the hood in a system like Jita than there is in your typical Null sec combat zone. When you throw not only large scale combat traffic on top of the normal traffic (data wise), and then throw in all of the Concord generated traffic, you end up with a somewhat lower population cap than Jita normally has. It's really not that hard to understand. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Jonah Gravenstein 218	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:28:00 - [39] - Quote Fuujin wrote: Xenuria is predictably clueless. FYP War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Sigurd Sig Hansen Hedion University Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:32:00 - [40] - Quote Morganta wrote: Miilla wrote: You have all the entire Eve universe and you are crying about Jita. Seriously. If you really want to see jita.. go here http://www.twitch.tv/daopa do you actually have any concept of this game besides trolling the forums? theres a dozen reasons to be in Jita atm and none of them involve curiosity besides the point that it has nothing to do with the ability to log into a system and everything to do about lowering pop caps on a reinforced system with less actual shooting than there was last night with a higher cap. like I said, do try and keep up with the bigger picture here Millia literally does nothing but troll. Theres a reason I dont see her posts anymore Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

Xenuria Center Haus Apocalypse Now. 508	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:37:00 - [41] - Quote The point I am trying to make is that if ANY system ANYWHERE in EVE prevents users from jumping in because of how many people are in there already or how much stuff is going on then the game is no longer single shard. It becomes single shard under specific circumstances instead of being single shard under ever circumstance. This is a caveat. EVE ONLINE SINGLE SHARD WORLD..... Except when Jita is getting swarmed... CCP~ The Future of GoonSwarm
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6320	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:42:00 - [42] - Quote Xenuria wrote: The point I am trying to make is that if ANY system ANYWHERE in EVE prevents users from jumping in because of how many people are in there already or how much stuff is going on then the game is no longer single shard. Yes it is. Being a single shard is not dependent on having pop caps. It's still a single shard GÇö TQ GÇö and it's still a single continuous universe. All that's happening is that you have to wait your turn to get into a specific system. This is nothing new. It doesn't affect the number of shards. Quote: It becomes single shard under specific circumstances instead of being single shard under ever circumstance. No. It remains a single shard under all circumstances. They do not suddenly start a new server cluster to pick up the slack, nor do they start cloning instances out of nowhere. If you're going to use these words, learn what they mean first. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1680	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:42:00 - [43] - Quote Xenuria wrote: The point I am trying to make is that if ANY system ANYWHERE in EVE prevents users from jumping in because of how many people are in there already or how much stuff is going on then the game is no longer single shard. It becomes single shard under specific circumstances instead of being single shard under ever circumstance. This is a caveat. EVE ONLINE SINGLE SHARD WORLD..... Except when Jita is getting swarmed... CCP~ /facepalm When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Mongo Travler Royal Order of Security Specialists Support 3	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:43:00 - [44] - Quote Last night I was in Jita the population was at ~2k and at 95% time dilation. Sitting in station was more or less fine and dandy but undocking and doing anything was miserably slow and choppy. From a layman's perspective it appeared the performance degradation was anything but smooth.
Zaxix Gods of Freight The Toy Box 77	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:44:00 - [45] - Quote Midge Mo'yb wrote: i see no reason for the cap as it currently is... Everything is permitted; nothing is forbidden. Welcome to the sandbox. Red Frog--Hisec Courier Black Frog--Losec/Nosec Courier
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 103	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:46:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Goliath wrote: We raise and lower the cap based on technological factors - if the system is getting hammered repeatedly, sometimes it has to be lowered to ensure performance. Simple as that. Jita is on a single node, and you still can't make it run right? Although giving the average player the chance to see your fine coding ability in action, might almost be worth it... "CCP's answer to lag, lets lag everyone!" To bad it doesn't lag evenly..... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime.....
Jonah Gravenstein 219	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:46:00 - [47] - Quote Xenuria wrote: The point I am trying to make is that if ANY system ANYWHERE in EVE prevents users from jumping in because of how many people are in there already or how much stuff is going on then the game is no longer single shard. It becomes single shard under specific circumstances instead of being single shard under ever circumstance. This is a caveat. EVE ONLINE SINGLE SHARD WORLD..... Except when Jita is getting swarmed... CCP~ To give you a real life comparison on how dumb this statement actually is consider this, If Jita was a football stadium (american football, or what the rest of the world considers to be football and americans call soccer, it doesn't matter) and was filled to capacity would you still expect to get in to see the game? The answer is no, it's a single location (shard) that just happens to be jam packed to capacity. If you got to the gates and it was full and the stewards sent you to another stadium to watch the same game with the same teams at the same time then that would be an instanced location. Its probably a completely batshit comparison but it works for me. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 417	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:47:00 - [48] - Quote Xenuria wrote: CCP Goliath wrote: We raise and lower the cap based on technological factors - if the system is getting hammered repeatedly, sometimes it has to be lowered to ensure performance. Simple as that. That is not right though! One of the biggest selling points of EVE is that all of the players are on one single shard, NOT realms. If players are literally prevented from participating in a large scale event that just happens to be in a trade hub or system that should be reinforced anyway then the game is going to stop being a sandbox and start being a typical MMO. It really is not surprise that you didn't make CSM. You're a worse representative of high sec than the one who did get in. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1310	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:49:00 - [49] - Quote I bet if CCP hauled one of their underpaid interns away from running coffee and parked them in Jita deleting spambots, the system would smooth out rather nicely. Prolly be able to cram another 500 or so ships in there and ease off the TiDi as well. Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too!
Xenuria Center Haus Apocalypse Now. 508	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:50:00 - [50] - Quote I think everybody is missing the point.... EVE is now a sandbox with walls and lines of people waiting to get past those walls so they can play in the sand in a given location of the world. I do not approve of this. If the entire population of eve can not fit in a single system then its not a sandbox. Its a bunch of sand separated by thousands of walls. It essentially becomes.... Second Life in Space. The Future of GoonSwarm

Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 261	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:50:00 - [51] - Quote Morganta wrote: Miilla wrote: You have all the entire Eve universe and you are crying about Jita. Seriously. If you really want to see jita.. go here http://www.twitch.tv/daopa do you actually have any concept of this game besides trolling the forums? theres a dozen reasons to be in Jita atm and none of them involve curiosity besides the point that it has nothing to do with the ability to log into a system and everything to do about lowering pop caps on a reinforced system with less actual shooting than there was last night with a higher cap. like I said, do try and keep up with the bigger picture here you know, you can only reenforce a system so far before there is no further gains. There is other limits besides hardware.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6321	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:52:00 - [52] - Quote Xenuria wrote: I think everybody is missing the point.... GÇªwe get the point that you don't understand what GÇ£instanceGÇ¥ and GÇ£shardGÇ¥ means. Quote: EVE is now a sandbox with walls It always has been. Nothing of what is happening here is new. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Silly HoBag Phoenix Evolved Part Duo 1	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:53:00 - [53] - Quote wait i thought jita was going to be on a reinforced node for this, as well as not just a reinforced node the big massive 32 core monster or whatever it is lol
Beekeeper Bob Beekeepers Anonymous 103	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:53:00 - [54] - Quote Zaxix wrote: Midge Mo'yb wrote: i see no reason for the cap as it currently is... Everything is permitted; nothing is forbidden. Welcome to the sandbox. It's not a sandbox when you deny access to it.... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime.....
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 261	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:53:00 - [55] - Quote Tippia wrote: Xenuria wrote: I think everybody is missing the point.... GÇªwe get the point that you don't understand what GÇ£instanceGÇ¥ and GÇ£shardGÇ¥ means. Quote: EVE is now a sandbox with walls It always has been. Nothing of what is happening here is new. Sandbox is just a marketing term, along with Cloud, fabric, elastic, collaboration, pervasive, persistent, business intelligence... etc etc. You have always had to play within CCP's rules, which vary day to day.
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 417	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:54:00 - [56] - Quote Xenuria wrote: I think everybody is missing the point.... EVE is now a sandbox with walls and lines of people waiting to get past those walls so they can play in the sand in a given location of the world. I do not approve of this. If the entire population of eve can not fit in a single system then its not a sandbox. Its a bunch of sand separated by thousands of walls. It essentially becomes.... Second Life in Space. So if everybody online can't fit into one single system it's not a sandbox? Oh good grief Cindy, well thanks for your definition of a sandbox, we're incredibly enlightened. Keep playing with the dollies dear. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Carton Mantory Occassus Republica Trade Wind Commodities 10	Posted - 2012.04.27 19:57:00 - [57] - Quote Miilla wrote: Tippia wrote: Xenuria wrote: I think everybody is missing the point.... GÇªwe get the point that you don't understand what GÇ£instanceGÇ¥ and GÇ£shardGÇ¥ means. Quote: EVE is now a sandbox with walls It always has been. Nothing of what is happening here is new. Sandbox is just a marketing term, along with Cloud, fabric, elastic, collaboration, pervasive, persistent, business intelligence... etc etc. You have always had to play within CCP's rules, which vary day to day. To those that are new to this thread this conversation is going weird. Please take away from this thread - Jita is swarmed and hardware is not big enough for 40k trying to get to Jita.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1054	Posted - 2012.04.27 20:01:00 - [58] - Quote eve is not a single shard there is only 1 game I'm aware of where the entire game world is in a single seamless map/world "shard" (even though it's still a cluster) and that's WWII online eve does not become lotr because you can't load into jita, simple as that The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed 1458	Posted - 2012.04.27 20:03:00 - [59] - Quote Xenuria wrote: EVE is now a sandbox with walls SandBox not SandPile. What's the difference? Well a box has vertical sides made of a hard substance (much like a wall, really) while a pile doesn't. The practical results from playing in these two types of sand formations is that in a Sandbox, all the sand stays near where you want to play, while in a sandpile, you can initially play anywhere but the sand will pretty quickly be too spread out to play with. Single-Shard, *Player Driven*Sandbox. 5 words. That's what makes it special.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6322	Posted - 2012.04.27 20:08:00 - [60] - Quote Morganta wrote: eve is not a single shard Well, sure, technically it isn't, but your average EVE player will not go off to sisi or serenity, because they lack the account to play on the latter and because playing on the former serves no purpose. So for all intents and purposes, EVE only has one shard: TQ. The shard employing cluster computing doesn't make it multi-sharded. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.



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