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Theta Draconis Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Theta Draconis on 11/03/2009 12:12:29 Edited by: Theta Draconis on 11/03/2009 12:11:04 We tried everything untill we found this... We realised this on SISI, and it works great... Last night first tested in TQ. Take fleet of remoterepping ships, like dominix. Take 10-15 of them. Fill the dronebays with T2 small scouts. Take interceptors with drone augs, no need for own guns. Make the drone swarm to assist interceptors. Profit! Sleepers can't touch them, if small ones get closer (like under 40 km), the droneswarm eats the small ones in no time. Big ones cant kill the drones fast enough and you can always keep feeding the interceptors with more drones. This still doesnt work against the biggest sleeper fleets, but anything below that. We melted battleships 50 T2 hobgoblings dealing 5000 dps Try it out, it works! We had 12 dominix, 1 carrier and few blockade runners with drones Next time we will try it out Ishtars, guardiands and orca (because ishtars have small mass and guardians, we get more through the WH). DT should be end already!! EDIT: Sorry for edits, im in hurry..
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:16:00 - [2] there we go with advanced AI, it took a whole day (not really as you had allready tried this on SiSi). This for OVERDOING drone aggro CCP. I hope they somewhat fix that. Good job though
Dotard Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:16:00 - [3] Ya, the sleepers weakness is against blobs. "I've discovered the sleepers weakness!! Just take 10-15 people and they melt!" Ya, no sheet Sherlock.
Theta Draconis Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Misaki Yuuko there we go with advanced AI, it took a whole day (not really as you had allready tried this on SiSi). This for OVERDOING drone aggro CCP. I hope they somewhat fix that. Good job though Easy fix would be smartbombs to sleeper fittings..
Jinn Bloodfire	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:18:00 - [5] How can you transfer drones from Blockade Runners to Dominix' drone bays?
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:19:00 - [6] eject > scoop to drone bay
Theta Draconis Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Dotard Ya, the sleepers weakness is against blobs. "I've discovered the sleepers weakness!! Just take 10-15 people and they melt!" Ya, no sheet Sherlock. lol we tried normal battleship gank and we all got killed in minute or two, its great so see how much teamwork you need when yous work with the large sleeper spawns
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Dotard Ya, the sleepers weakness is against blobs. "I've discovered the sleepers weakness!! Just take 10-15 people and they melt!" Ya, no sheet Sherlock. No, you miss the point, they won't aggro you but the drones so you can keep shooting at them w/o ahving to warp out or worry about your tank melting in seconds. So drones are like the aggro management mod (however is said) of WoW in EVE now...
Ace Secunda Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:42:00 - [9] All fun and games until the wormhole collapses after the fifth BS goes through and the rest are left looking for another way to get there, great patch CCP, keeping everyone thinking. P.S. the scanning interface is freakin amazing! Now someone hurry up and make me a Strategic Cruiser :D 'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Jinn Bloodfire How can you transfer drones from Blockade Runners to Dominix' drone bays? They had a carrier. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Shadowsword Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Misaki Yuuko Originally by: Dotard Ya, the sleepers weakness is against blobs. "I've discovered the sleepers weakness!! Just take 10-15 people and they melt!" Ya, no sheet Sherlock. No, you miss the point, they won't aggro you but the drones so you can keep shooting at them w/o ahving to warp out or worry about your tank melting in seconds. So drones are like the aggro management mod (however is said) of WoW in EVE now... You miss his point. His point is that you can't speak of a weakness if it take massive blobbing to win. 15 dominixes is a brute force approach, nothing more. ------------------------------------------
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Shadowsword You miss his point. His point is that you can't speak of a weakness if it take massive blobbing to win. 15 dominixes is a brute force approach, nothing more. If for example 15 Armageddons die and 15 Domis live and prosper then he does have a point. He is talking about the 'true' wormspace - most likely acsessed from 0.0 or lower end low sec as they had Carrier with them. Altho fielding 75 drones .. well ... with 75 sentries controlled by the RR Domi blob I would imagine the poor sleepers would melt even faster.
vostok Minmatar Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Shadowsword You miss his point. His point is that you can't speak of a weakness if it take massive blobbing to win. 15 dominixes is a brute force approach, nothing more. If for example 15 Armageddons die and 15 Domis live and prosper then he does have a point. He is talking about the 'true' wormspace - most likely acsessed from 0.0 or lower end low sec as they had Carrier with them. Altho fielding 75 drones .. well ... with 75 sentries controlled by the RR Domi blob I would imagine the poor sleepers would melt even faster. Judging by the damage some have been met with I'm not so sure. Though I do love the irony that rats now agro'ing to drones is being used as an advantage. - Adaptation is not* an excuse for lack of ballance!* -
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Misaki Yuuko Originally by: Dotard Ya, the sleepers weakness is against blobs. "I've discovered the sleepers weakness!! Just take 10-15 people and they melt!" Ya, no sheet Sherlock. No, you miss the point, they won't aggro you but the drones so you can keep shooting at them w/o ahving to warp out or worry about your tank melting in seconds. So drones are like the aggro management mod (however is said) of WoW in EVE now... You miss his point. His point is that you can't speak of a weakness if it take massive blobbing to win. 15 dominixes is a brute force approach, nothing more. You still miss the point yes... blobing or not, you will lose ships in harder sites, but with this "tactic" you won't. C/D?
Ciel Drax	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:29:00 - [15] Uhm anyone notice that the sleepers are like real pvp? Blobbing in real pvp also works? And out fleet had 2 domi's 3 raven's 3 drake 1 paladin 1 arma 1 rokh all RR we managed to do it with a little trick in this game. That little trick is TEAMWORK.
Theta Draconis Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Shadowsword You miss his point. His point is that you can't speak of a weakness if it take massive blobbing to win. 15 dominixes is a brute force approach, nothing more. If for example 15 Armageddons die and 15 Domis live and prosper then he does have a point. He is talking about the 'true' wormspace - most likely acsessed from 0.0 or lower end low sec as they had Carrier with them. Altho fielding 75 drones .. well ... with 75 sentries controlled by the RR Domi blob I would imagine the poor sleepers would melt even faster. Sentry drones failed :( Since they are just sitting there.. the battleships killed them fast and rr couldnt target the drones fast enough to rep them so thats why we decided to go with small ones and test "drone speed tanking".
Besmin Project Mirage	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:05:00 - [17] anyone tried falcons on the sleepers yet?
Ace Secunda Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:13:00 - [18] I think rook is more like it but extreme range setup, at least with say 2 x rooks with rudimentary tanks and long range jamming you may have time to warp before the missiles hit if you lose jam. 'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
Crawler Gallente Northern Star Brigade	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:27:00 - [19] sleeper cruisers. wants to orbit you, but if you fly towards them. Then they will keep distance matching your speed. making them a very easy target _____________________________________________ yawnnnnn
Ace Secunda Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:29:00 - [20] I see, to avoid your optimal they will move away completely cutting their transversal speed and leaving them open to lower tracking/higher damage weapons? 'If I can't blow it up It don't exsist'
Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:35:00 - [21] Originally by: vostok Though I do love the irony that rats now agro'ing to drones is being used as an advantage. This is nothing new. Back before exploration when I used to farm drone complexes for minerals, the easiest way to kill the drone mother was set light drones on it to absorb initial aggro, then once she's shooting the drones to get an interceptor under her tracking range and recall the drones. But this isn't really a weakness, per se. A weakness would be like keeping 35 km of or range and they won't fire on you. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony A man creates; A parasite asks 'Where is my share?' Item Database
Strupstad Quatidion Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:44:00 - [22] Their weak point is EM damage... No need for 15 ppl. Get a missile boat with em missiles and a painter and they pop.
Elise Randolph Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Elise Randolph on 11/03/2009 16:56:17 Originally by: Ciel Drax Uhm anyone notice that the sleepers are like real pvp? Blobbing in real pvp also works? And out fleet had 2 domi's 3 raven's 3 drake 1 paladin 1 arma 1 rokh all RR we managed to do it with a little trick in this game. That little trick is TEAMWORK. Stop spreading this lie. Sleepers aren't like real PVP. Well, maybe if your gang mates are suffering from some sort of mental deficiencies. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome perhaps? Sleepers are just stronger NPCs the change targets. ----------
Armakoir	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:39:00 - [24] The smaller ships seem to bait/kite you toward the group. You start to lock, they turn tail while the rest of the group still heads towards you. Argos turrets HURT. Patrollers don't seem to web/scram.... anyone else agree?
Theta Draconis Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Strupstad Their weak point is EM damage... No need for 15 ppl. Get a missile boat with em missiles and a painter and they pop. they omnitank..
Strupstad Quatidion Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:43:00 - [26] Edited by: Strupstad on 11/03/2009 18:43:21 Originally by: Theta Draconis Originally by: Strupstad Their weak point is EM damage... No need for 15 ppl. Get a missile boat with em missiles and a painter and they pop. they omnitank.. Orly. Did you actually try that out for yourself already or just repeat what other people say?
Lord Myre Caldari Heaven's Gate Scalar Federation	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Strupstad Their weak point is EM damage... No need for 15 ppl. Get a missile boat with em missiles and a painter and they pop. Are you nutts? 0.0 WH we were in had frigates and cruisers up front and in my Nighthawk firing caldari navy thunderbolts with 3 CN BCS's and 6 launchers could only manage 500-550dmg per volley. Same dmg numbers with EXP and KIN..........didnt leve long enough to try thermal but expect the same. Dmg type to use is a DDD You know you have played way to much Eve when you are in a car accident and run away so you dont get podded.
Theta Draconis Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.11 19:42:00 - [28] Originally by: Strupstad Edited by: Strupstad on 11/03/2009 18:43:21 Originally by: Theta Draconis Originally by: Strupstad Their weak point is EM damage... No need for 15 ppl. Get a missile boat with em missiles and a painter and they pop. they omnitank.. Orly. Did you actually try that out for yourself already or just repeat what other people say? Yeah really. They do. Can I have your stuff after you actually visit w-space and quit in emorage?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.03.11 20:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Misaki Yuuko eject > scoop to drone bay Is that supposed to be joke? How do you scoop from a can?
Mika Talo	Posted - 2009.03.11 21:19:00 - [30] Congratulations. You've found a way to run sleeper plexes with more than four times the mass neccessary.

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