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Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Cares	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 11/03/2009 12:57:04 Recently I have started following the forums for the upcoming Star Trek on-line. The one thing I have noted is that every time Eve gets mentioned in a thread, masses of people (I use the word 'people' lightly) jump up and start slagging Eve off something terrible. However, this seems to be a common thread on many an on-line games forum. Mention Eve and a whole crowd start appearing out of the woodwork to shout how in their opinion it is the worst game ever! I suspect from the contents of what these 'folks' spew, that most have only played the game for a short while, couldn't cope with it, and have wandered off with a chip on their shoulder bigger then Mt. Everest.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 12:53:00 - [2] Good for them, although I couldn't honestly care any less about their opinion - I enjoy it and I feel happy spending MY cash on it each month, so they can slag it off all they want for all I care. Likewise, do you really think they care if I believe that WoW is full of 14yr old kids who think they are so l33t and pwnz0r because they have some Magic Sword of E-peen +3? Just because I think it, doesn't make it true. Actually, wait a sec... :)
Corwain	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:12:00 - [3] I'd say 2 reasons: 1. Many people feel EVE is full of "greifers" and fail to understand that loss is just a part of EVE as it is apart of poker. I have some ultra competitive friends, but when I pointed out how much titans are worth in RL money and then further pointed out that you can lose one in the blink of an eye they all went "Aw man, that's so mean! I don't like that game, it sounds cruel." 2. Compexity: there is so much math involved in EVE that you need multiple out-of-game programs just to survive. EFT, EVEMon, market programs if you are gonna play the market, wallet programs...spreadsheets, calculators, etc. Most people are overwhelmed at first and never pick their way past the complex exterior. Sure, once you know the tricks and have the right programs it's easy, but its hard to wrap your head around initially. Hopefully all the new addons (ship fitter, etc) with Apocrypha will help. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Magic Sword of E-peen +3 So true!
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:20:00 - [5] Because we're mostly smug elitist ********s with the combined social grace and charisma of a slug. When was the last time you chatted to some random in local about anything other than booze or pirating? ____________________
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:39:00 - [6] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Because we're mostly smug elitist ******s with the combined social grace and charisma of a slug. When was the last time you chatted to some random in local about anything other than booze or pirating? True, true. /monocle /sip Originally by:** Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Corwain	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:55:00 - [7] Originally by: ReaperOfSly anything other than booze or pirating? What else is there? -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 13:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: ReaperOfSly anything other than booze or pirating? What else is there? Sex, Drugs and Rock&Roll?
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:18:00 - [9] Edited by: jason hill on 11/03/2009 14:18:34 me ! nuff said destroy everything you touch
Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.11 14:44:00 - [10] Most people hate EvE, because EvE hates people Seriously this game is all about the hate Many developers try to create the feel of a cold, harsh, unforgiving place But CCP actually built it, thats why it's awesome and further more why do i even need a sig?
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:03:00 - [11] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 11/03/2009 15:06:30 EVE is a game for people who like screwing people over, and for people who like getting screwed over. That's how we like it. Most people don't. Most people are normal - Infectious -
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:05:00 - [12] Maybe we should ask the people on here for when you mention wow, you may find your answer.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:05:00 - [13] Because they are carebears. Darkfall was created with the intention of being a harsh-PvP free-for-all empire-building monstrosity similar to EVE, and there EVE is often held up as an example of what DF should aspire to. So, if a MMOG forum attracts people who hate EVE, the game attached to that forum is rubbish. - DesuSigs
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:08:00 - [14] Mostly because people have likes and dislikes, and the more insecure ones turn their dislikes into hate-rants. For a comparable reaction, just type into militia or corp chat that you like World of Warcraft, and watch the venom flow. Now why such hate for a game they don't play?
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 11/03/2009 15:06:30 EVE is a game for people who like screwing people over, and for people who like getting screwed over. Speak for yourself, but I much prefer doing the screwing :)
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Ratchman For a comparable reaction, just type into militia or corp chat that you like World of Warcraft, and watch the venom flow. Now why such hate for a game they don't play? Because WoW popularised MMOGs with the PvE theme-park model, resulting in a huge influx of new people to other MMOGs who expected them to conform to this model, and also resulting in more and more developer focus on WoW-clones, reducing the number of anything-but-WoW games produced. Unlike EVE-haters, WoW-haters have some justification.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ratchman For a comparable reaction, just type into militia or corp chat that you like World of Warcraft, and watch the venom flow. Now why such hate for a game they don't play? Because WoW popularised MMOGs with the PvE theme-park model, resulting in a huge influx of new people to other MMOGs who expected them to conform to this model, and also resulting in more and more developer focus on WoW-clones, reducing the number of anything-but-WoW games produced. Unlike EVE-haters, WoW-haters have some justification. And there's your answer OP.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.11 15:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And there's your answer OP. True that. - DesuSigs
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Crumplecorn Unlike EVE-haters, WoW-haters have some justification. Thread has just been ended with a massive Epic Hammer of Thread Closure +8 (at +8 weapons start glowing - those who have played Knight Online like games will know what I mean).
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:07:00 - [20] BTW I put that quote in bold because I can guarantee you will see that on every other forum as well as a reason for X gamers to hate Y gamers. The arguments themselves are usually opinion based but many gamers treat it as a fact based argument so usually hold to the above ideals.
Moejdal	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Likewise, do you really think they care if I believe that WoW is full of 14yr old kids who think they are so l33t and pwnz0r because they have some Magic Sword of E-peen +3? Which it is? Atleast a good rate of the players are ''turds''. I should know, i've been playing it for 3 years.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:10:00 - [22] People are quite egotistical. Eve runs counter to most MMOÆs in that instead of giving up all of its secrets within the first few weeks and allowing the average Joe to become the next version of that games universals messiah the first thing Eve does is take a bucket of icey cold water and throws it in your face. Look at the average MMO: 1. No real loss û If you die you just respawn some distance from the fight and maybe your equipment will suffer damage that can easily be repaired if not replaced just as quickly. Here on the other hand weeks or months or work, depending on your situation may go down the drain. 2. power levelers û I never understood this group of people, both in MMOs and in other games in general but for some reason there are players who think your not good at games if you cant complete the game as quickly as possible. I bet their significant others are quite unsatisfied in bed but more to the point in Eve you can not one day beat the oldest player in terms of SP or quickly get to his level if you spend every waking minute leveling, it just doesnÆt work like that here. 3. pvp optional û even in games with pvp servers you still make a conscious choice to play on those servers or ôflag upö on a non pvp server. In eve, your always in pvp, for a lot of people who just want to gather wealth without the slightest risk thatÆs quite erksome and as usual when those sorts of people come to eve the first thing they do is complain and demand a multi server approach like the ôsuccessfulö MMOs. 4. PSP (player stupidity protection) û in most MMOs, if you do something stupid like fall for a scam you just have to report them to a CSM, wait a day or so, get your stuff back and the other guy gets a warning or ban. In here on the other hand if you fall for it you have to live with it. In short eve is hated for the simple fact that it doesnÆt let your average player stroke his ego. It requires you to work for your place, rewards your successes and punishes your failures. If Floyd was alive here today heÆd likely say most MMO players have an inferiority complex with violent outbursts when they donÆt get their way. Personally I wouldnÆt have it any other way, you cant fully enjoy something without the risk of one day losing it. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich BTW I put that quote in bold because I can guarantee you will see that on every other forum as well as a reason for X gamers to hate Y gamers. The arguments themselves are usually opinion based but many gamers treat it as a fact based argument so usually hold to the above ideals. One difference I would hope is that I didn't say there was anything wrong with WoW, merely the effects it has on the industry were not ideal. From the OP's post, I do not believe this is the case in the instances which inspired this thread. - DesuSigs
Tallaran Kouros Caldari Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Jacob Mei If Floyd was alive here today heÆd likely say most MMO players have an inferiority complex with violent outbursts when they donÆt get their way. I suspect you mean Freud, otherwise I'm not quite sure what Pink Floyd would have to say about MMOs...
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Micheal Dietrich BTW I put that quote in bold because I can guarantee you will see that on every other forum as well as a reason for X gamers to hate Y gamers. The arguments themselves are usually opinion based but many gamers treat it as a fact based argument so usually hold to the above ideals. One difference I would hope is that I didn't say there was anything wrong with WoW, merely the effects it has on the industry were not ideal. From the OP's post, I do not believe this is the case in the instances which inspired this thread. I don't disagree. There is nothing wrong with saying a game is crap as long as you understand it is of opinion and not that of fact. I personally played wow until about level 24 or so when I became so insanely bored with pve. It's in my opinion that it is boring but for 10 million people they seem to enjoy it. In the end though I found more fun in WAR, which is supposedly a wow clone, but there are aspects of it that I like better than wow (like being able to pvp since level 1) And in the end I enjoy EVE for completely different reasons. For one I love the skill system. I love having no class boundaries. After 2 years I can shoot every gun and I can fly every race ship up to BS and it shows on my character. In here an accomplishment really has meaning. If someone hates this game then oh well, more space for me.
Elora Danzik Caldari Ward-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.03.11 16:33:00 - [26] Eve is closer to RL then any other MMO, I cared to look into. If you are the CEO of a corp, you have corp politics to deal with. Just like work. If you fall for a scam you lose it...just like life. 3 years ago fell for a vending machine scam, the feds got involved. lost $10k RL money got a check 3 months ago for $222 Rl money. Why should a video game just give you your stuff back for being stupid? If you are head of alliance, then I hear the politics is corp x100,000. (never been in that position just heard CEO of old corp complain ALOT about it) Just like real life if you decided you don't like a career path you can change it. Try doing that in WOW WITHOUT having to roll a new Char. It seems in EVE the people who play it and stick around for a while enjoy the complexity as a challenge that is not encountered in RL. The irony is if you applied the same delegence to RL you could be as sucessful as you are in eve. Yes I am gulity too.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:42:00 - [27] There are a few reasons why they dont like eve. The main ones are. 1. Repercussions for their actions. They want games with no drawbacks or consequences. 2. Risk. EvE is the only MMO with real risk involved. This fightens them. 3. Instant gratification. they want it now but in eve it very rarely works out that way. 4. Difficulty. Putting missions aside, eve is not the easyest of games to play. It is complex and requires you to think about what you are doing. This angers and confuses the dumb. 5. Envy. They know full well their game sucks in every way compared to eve but they cant come here because they just cant handle the freedom, risk, complexity or time to learn.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Zetsubou Corp	Posted - 2009.03.11 17:54:00 - [28] Originally by: baltec1 There are a few reasons why they dont like eve. The main ones are. 1. Repercussions for their actions. They want games with no drawbacks or consequences. 2. Risk. EvE is the only MMO with real risk involved. This fightens them. 3. Instant gratification. they want it now but in eve it very rarely works out that way. 4. Difficulty. Putting missions aside, eve is not the easyest of games to play. It is complex and requires you to think about what you are doing. This angers and confuses the dumb. 5. Envy. They know full well their game sucks in every way compared to eve but they cant come here because they just cant handle the freedom, risk, complexity or time to learn. See what I mean about elitism? ____________________
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:10:00 - [29] Originally by: ReaperOfSly See what I mean about elitism? I used to play SWG. The people who are left there all panic the moment anyone metions hard NPC's and decay. Its a sorry sight to see
Morgorathi Minmatar The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2009.03.11 18:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 11/03/2009 12:57:04 Recently I have started following the forums for the upcoming Star Trek on-line. The one thing I have noted is that every time Eve gets mentioned in a thread, masses of people (I use the word 'people' lightly) jump up and start slagging Eve off something terrible. However, this seems to be a common thread on many an on-line games forum. Mention Eve and a whole crowd start appearing out of the woodwork to shout how in their opinion it is the worst game ever! I suspect from the contents of what these 'folks' spew, that most have only played the game for a short while, couldn't cope with it, and have wandered off with a chip on their shoulder bigger then Mt. Everest. EvE = Science Fiction Simulation STO crowd = *****y neckbeards QQing because some nice pirate blew up their Mining frigate and no one wants to play star tweks with them.

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