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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 11/03/2009 12:57:04 Recently I have started following the forums for the upcoming Star Trek on-line. The one thing I have noted is that every time Eve gets mentioned in a thread, masses of people (I use the word 'people' lightly) jump up and start slagging Eve off something terrible.
However, this seems to be a common thread on many an on-line games forum. Mention Eve and a whole crowd start appearing out of the woodwork to shout how in their opinion it is the worst game ever!
I suspect from the contents of what these 'folks' spew, that most have only played the game for a short while, couldn't cope with it, and have wandered off with a chip on their shoulder bigger then Mt. Everest.
Because people hate being reminded of how they fail.
Yeah I'm an elitist *******. It feels pretty good.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.11 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Jacob Mei
If Floyd was alive here today heÆd likely say most MMO players have an inferiority complex with violent outbursts when they donÆt get their way.
I suspect you mean Freud, otherwise I'm not quite sure what Pink Floyd would have to say about MMOs...
"Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb..."
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.03.11 22:23:00 -
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I'm going to drop one in here for discussion...
Runescape.
Ok, it's "sharded" in a way (multiple worlds but skills and market via Grand Exchange are global).
However: until relatively recently there was real risk if you stepped into the Wilderness (more WoW-like now that they changed this to having PvP worlds and PvE worlds though) - Wilderness has the equivalent of Eve's Sleepers in the form of Revenant Ghosts.
PvP in a broader sense is there though: you will always be competing with others for resources, mob spawns and on the market.
Death leads to "real loss" in most cases in that, unless you can get back to your gear within the timer your stuff despawns (you can buy a better gravestone to increase this time - like a clone but for stuff instead of SP) - penalty for PKer dying is they lose more stuff (all items if you are the aggressor in a fight).
You can respec into another "class" at any time without penalty or re-rolling just by levelling up the relevant skills as the level cap is on a per-skill basis rather than global.
Ok, so the gfx aren't up to much (that's the main complaint people have about the game) - but I've been playing on/off for over 6 years.
Also: RS had a major engine upgrade awhile ago which lead to a lot of similar "Emo-Rage-quit" posting on forums (Recent developments in these boards over the dropping of Classic remind me of those days).
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.03.11 23:12:00 -
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Almost all of the MMOs out there are full of 'bears, casual players who don't want to think too hard about something out of fear it will give them a stroke.
When they immigrate to EVE, they expect rainbows and space ponies and a theme park built just for them. Then they get ****y to find they have to do the heavy lifting, and think that the game's **** when its simply different.
Explanation number 2, which is my favorite, is that they're just a bunch of tards.
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Ja'kar
Geb's Call Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 23:19:00 -
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Ok then how much influence on eve do these so-called carebears have on the game dynamics?
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.11 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil Explanation number 2, which is my favorite, is that they're just a bunch of tards.
Yea. Personally, I like this one much better.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.03.11 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: Evthron Macyntire on 11/03/2009 23:24:16 Because it is an almost perfect representation of what real life would be like if society stopped babying everyone. Minus the killing of course.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.03.12 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar Ok then how much influence on eve do these so-called carebears have on the game dynamics?
The suicide ganking nerf comes to mind.
Also, the fact that despite being a virtual ISK faucet, L4s remain everywhere in highsec.
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Zarda Sulan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.12 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zarda Sulan on 12/03/2009 08:09:20 i love all mmo's, most of them you have to take with a pinch of salt- the main reason why eve is hated by so many is the loss factor- when you have pve/pvp games like wow where dying results in absolutely no loss it can draw the crowds in - which in this case most games are like this.
The exceptions are the ones where pvp loss can be significant - like rising force online where you lost actual items (like mech drivers loosing thier mechs and loosing pvp points which gave you standing)- attracts only a certain kind of ppl.
Then you have Eve in all its brutality- alot of ppl hate the fact that you can work for months getting a nice shiny ship and loose it in a mere few seconds- this scares off alot of ppl and unfortunetly with the popularity of mmo's there seem's to eb a huge increase of carebears who hate living in a virtual world where they can loose everything. thats why alot of ppl throw hate at this game- its only really liked by space fans and the hardcore pvper's who can accept loss. Huh? |
TimMc
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:54:00 -
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Most other MMOs are very comfortable. Eve Online is not.
Anyone coming from any other MMO is likely to dislike it, except a few who didn't like those comfort zones with their teddies and blankets.
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zarda Sulan Edited by: Zarda Sulan on 12/03/2009 08:09:20 i love all mmo's, most of them you have to take with a pinch of salt- the main reason why eve is hated by so many is the loss factor- when you have pve/pvp games like wow where dying results in absolutely no loss it can draw the crowds in - which in this case most games are like this.
The exceptions are the ones where pvp loss can be significant - like rising force online where you lost actual items (like mech drivers loosing thier mechs and loosing pvp points which gave you standing)- attracts only a certain kind of ppl.
Then you have Eve in all its brutality- alot of ppl hate the fact that you can work for months getting a nice shiny ship and loose it in a mere few seconds- this scares off alot of ppl and unfortunetly with the popularity of mmo's there seem's to eb a huge increase of carebears who hate living in a virtual world where they can loose everything. thats why alot of ppl throw hate at this game- its only really liked by space fans and the hardcore pvper's who can accept loss.
See, now your reasons that players of other MMO's hate Eve is why I love it.
I'm a self-confessed carebear myself but I am still aware that when I'm sitting in a belt mining or in a deadspace area flying a mission there is a chance, however small, that another player in a PvP-fit ship could come in and take away the BS that took me 2 weeks to save for.
The risk of loss is what makes Eve far less boring than those MMOs which require "grinding" to "level up".
I also like that I can progress my character here in Eve while I'm not even at the computer (especially now we have a skill queue).
You never know, one day I might venture out into low/null sec and risk it all for the adrenaline-rush that is real PvP
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.03.12 10:23:00 -
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People hate EVE because it has the potential to **** you over as much as real-life can.
Fact is, I played WoW for 6 months just for perspective to see if it was as bad as everyone says. Its not terrible - and the initial grind is probably the most amusing part of it. However once you hit the top - its just disgustingly boring, full of whining and drama and generally not worth the effort at all.
I cancelled my subscription to WoW after the 6 months, with the feeling that I had essentially finished the game. No, I didnt have all the useless achievements, nor had I completed every Raid Instance - but I knew that it was all the ****ing same anyway, regardless of where it was.
EVE however, has no top - theres always some direction you can move in thats different to what you're doing. Even when you take a break from EVE you can continue to progress.
Another problem people have with EVE, is that you make your own game - it doesnt serve up a dollop of barely imaginative story and tell you to get on with the killing. In EVE you exist, if you sit around expecting something to happen, it won't - you have to get out there and create your universe in the sandbox.
Naturally, People with a ****ty imagination or a feeble grasp on industrialism or politics cannot get on with EVE. There are, of course, a few that try - but their scope of the game generally goes as far as the PewPew, and not a lot else.
The key issue people have with EVE, that will make them spit acid about it - is that... at some point, they've failed. Hard.
They've either roamed into a bad sec system and got completely owned, and taken it personally - or have just failed to even get on their feet.
Naturally people don't like a game when all they can manage to do is lose.
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Ricard Clarence
Gallente Sons Of 0din Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:44:00 -
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MMO player prejudice, the new racism of 21'st century...
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:10:00 -
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I went to the STO forums and I saw Star Trek furries. I now have to sub when it's released to grief them.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:12:00 -
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Quote: In short eve is hated for the simple fact that it doesnÆt let your average player stroke his ego. It requires you to work for your place, rewards your successes and punishes your failures. If Floyd was alive here today heÆd likely say most MMO players have an inferiority complex with violent outbursts when they donÆt get their way. Personally I wouldnÆt have it any other way, you cant fully enjoy something without the risk of one day losing it.
Is that Sigmen Floyd?
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain
Quote: In short eve is hated for the simple fact that it doesnÆt let your average player stroke his ego. It requires you to work for your place, rewards your successes and punishes your failures. If Floyd was alive here today heÆd likely say most MMO players have an inferiority complex with violent outbursts when they donÆt get their way. Personally I wouldnÆt have it any other way, you cant fully enjoy something without the risk of one day losing it.
Is that Sigmen Floyd?
Nah Pink Floyd.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc Most other MMOs are very comfortable. Eve Online is not.
Anyone coming from any other MMO is likely to dislike it, except a few who didn't like those comfort zones with their teddies and blankets.
Actually I disliked PvP in most other MMOs, and especially those PvP servers (and god damn it the unrestricted PvP servers). However, it was the strong dislike of the difference between the hard-to-change PvP/PvE builds and the insane advantage that someone just 10 levels over you have due to hit&damage level modification tables. In Eve, if you have the skills it's just a matter of switching ships and there are no levels. Once you're done with the basics you're almost on equal terms (and it's nothing that can't be fixed by choosing the right ships, tactics or simply having a few more pilots). ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Lardarz B'stard
Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.12 18:42:00 -
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lack of wizards / goblins is a big factor
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TimMc
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.12 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: TimMc Most other MMOs are very comfortable. Eve Online is not.
Anyone coming from any other MMO is likely to dislike it, except a few who didn't like those comfort zones with their teddies and blankets.
Actually I disliked PvP in most other MMOs, and especially those PvP servers (and god damn it the unrestricted PvP servers). However, it was the strong dislike of the difference between the hard-to-change PvP/PvE builds and the insane advantage that someone just 10 levels over you have due to hit&damage level modification tables. In Eve, if you have the skills it's just a matter of switching ships and there are no levels. Once you're done with the basics you're almost on equal terms (and it's nothing that can't be fixed by choosing the right ships, tactics or simply having a few more pilots).
Only other MMO I've played was Guild Wars, where PvP was balanced arenas. Alot of fun with no losses, but Eve is alot better because of how much more complicated it is.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2009.03.13 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 13/03/2009 05:22:48 When I first started playing EvE I was the biggest carebear ever. I had my little Scythe (later a Retriver, then a Hulk), and I mined, and every time I got flipped it ****ed me off so much because anyone who felt like it could come f**k with me whenever they wanted for any/no reason at all.
I came really close to quitting and (gasp) going back to WoW, but then one day I got fed up and decided that I didn't care how many years of SPs they had on me, I was going to get my revenge. So I switched into my (horribly fit) Rupture, came back, and shot it out.
And I won. Wasn't easy (see aforementioned horrible fit), but I thought it over afterwords, refined my fit, and I continued to win. Then, a few weeks later, I thought, "Hey, I can have all these rocks to myself if I run all these other jackasses out of here" and annoyed all the other miners in my favorite systems into leaving. And I quickly gave up any thoughts of quitting.
I think the biggest hurdle new players have is realizing that EvE is about managing risk, not avoiding it altogether. And realizing that all the tools you need to protect yourself are available to you almost from the start, as long as you play smart. Nobody will hold your hand here, a lot of people can't seem to get over that, or don't want to deal with the stress. EvE is a game you play to achieve, not to just blow off steam while you kill mindless mobs all day. |
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Drake Dracoli
EXTERMINATUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.13 08:49:00 -
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I've been posting on the Darkfall forums for years, as well as my clan forums, and I tell you, there's a rabid hate for EVE even among the hardcore PVP crowd. I think it's because deep down they know that EVE is could have been potentionally totally awesome for them, but they were unable to get into the game due to slow startup and real time skill training.
The hate goes so far that I've been banned from even talking about in my clan's forums or Ventrilio. |
Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Dracoli I've been posting on the Darkfall forums for years, as well as my clan forums, and I tell you, there's a rabid hate for EVE even among the hardcore PVP crowd. I think it's because deep down they know that EVE is could have been potentionally totally awesome for them, but they were unable to get into the game due to slow startup and real time skill training.
The hate goes so far that I've been banned from even talking about in my clan's forums or Ventrilio.
Kill them an take their stuffs!
And when they proclaim that "This is madness!" you answer with "This is EVE!".
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:34:00 -
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I know this is goign to make me sound elitist (Hell, perhaps I am, a bit).
Players who tried Eve, and didn't like it:
- People wanting a Freespace or Counter-Strike in space. (nothing against those, matter of taste only)
- Those who can't stand meaningfull pvp and risk of signifiant asset lost.
- Those who got bored because they didn't find anything to do, they got too used to being led by the hand by a few lines of code telling them what they should do.
People who didn't like Eve, and didn't try it:
- Sheep
- Sheep
- Elves
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Smokin Gunn
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:58:00 -
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Eve has no room for those emo-raging kids. We hate them more then they hate us. |
Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:08:00 -
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Eve is too complex for their puny mainstream console gamer minds. -----------
Originally by: CCP Whisper Deal with it.
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Glarion Garnier
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.03.13 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman Mostly because people have likes and dislikes, and the more insecure ones turn their dislikes into hate-rants.
For a comparable reaction, just type into militia or corp chat that you like World of Warcraft, and watch the venom flow. Now why such hate for a game they don't play?
words of wisdom. You just gained 3 poinsts diplomacy in my books :) _________________________________ -be vary of the men behind the curtain-
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.13 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson on 11/03/2009 12:57:04 Recently I have started following the forums for the upcoming Star Trek on-line. The one thing I have noted is that every time Eve gets mentioned in a thread, masses of people (I use the word 'people' lightly) jump up and start slagging Eve off something terrible.
However, this seems to be a common thread on many an on-line games forum. Mention Eve and a whole crowd start appearing out of the woodwork to shout how in their opinion it is the worst game ever!
I suspect from the contents of what these 'folks' spew, that most have only played the game for a short while, couldn't cope with it, and have wandered off with a chip on their shoulder bigger then Mt. Everest.
Idiots who are too dumb to do certain things inevitably just talk trash about it to cover their own inadequacies. === This Space For Lease or Sale. |
rValdez5987
Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.03.13 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros Good for them, although I couldn't honestly care any less about their opinion - *I* enjoy it and *I* feel happy spending *MY* cash on it each month, so they can slag it off all they want for all I care.
Likewise, do you really think they care if I believe that WoW is full of 14yr old kids who think they are so l33t and pwnz0r because they have some Magic Sword of E-peen +3?
Just because I think it, doesn't make it true.
Actually, wait a sec... :)
EVE players are right, everyone else is wrong and is **** to not take seriously....
But I play warhammer for pvp and I gotta say that game is ok. But seriously haven't you even noticed my post already ended and your reading my sig? |
Jago Kain
Amarr Pan Galactic Traders
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Posted - 2009.03.13 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Smokin Gunn Eve has no room for those emo-raging kids. We hate them more then they hate us.
And what is more, we hated them first. Any reciprocal hate is merely them biting our style.
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Glamaz Cruciatia
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Posted - 2009.03.13 23:39:00 -
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right, didnt bother to read all the replies but Im sure its been said..
Real Life example...
You go to a football/soccer/baseball whatever ya fancy match.. your surrounded by team A fans, who are rivals with team B, you mention team B alot and you'll be lucky to get out of there with any bones intact...
Now lets see.. EVE = space mmo, star trek online (MMO?) or atleast a space game, they kind of share the same market.. and each side will back their team... you mentioned EVE in a 'rival teams' forums...
and yet you think its them with the problem??
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