Originally by: Alowishus

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CPR Nerf = "OH NO, NOW I CAN'T RUN AN XL SHIEILD BOOSTER AND EIGHT MEGA BEAMS, OMG CCP I HATE YOU!"


Raven PG Nerf: "OH NO, NOW I CAN'T RUN SIX SIEGE LAUNCHERS AND A DUAL REPAIRER ARMOR TANK SETUP, OMG CCP I HATE YOU!"


Projectile Accuracy Nerf = "OH NO, NOW I CAN'T HIT BS FROM 160K AWAY AND ALSO HIT INTERCEPTORS ORBITING AT 6KM, OMG CCP I HATE YOU!"

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Originally by: Alowishus

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CPR Nerf = "OH NO, NOW I CAN'T RUN AN XL SHIEILD BOOSTER AND EIGHT MEGA BEAMS, OMG CCP I HATE YOU!"


Raven PG Nerf: "OH NO, NOW I CAN'T RUN SIX SIEGE LAUNCHERS AND A DUAL REPAIRER ARMOR TANK SETUP, OMG CCP I HATE YOU!"


Projectile Accuracy Nerf = "OH NO, NOW I CAN'T HIT BS FROM 160K AWAY AND ALSO HIT INTERCEPTORS ORBITING AT 6KM, OMG CCP I HATE YOU!"

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Originally by: THE CHOSEN1

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the whole problem is the ranges and the highly nerfed projectiles.

long range SHOULD be 80-120km ... where tachs, cruise, 1400's and 420mm dominate
medium range should be 20-80km
short range within 20 km

nobody uses long range anymore. Nerfed tachs and borked long range projectiles are the cause.

but as usual, someone will give tempest more cap and more armor, make 1400s super powerful and tempest will be owning everything. Lets try stick to the role play a bit next nerf/fix.

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Originally by: THE CHOSEN1

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the whole problem is the ranges and the highly nerfed projectiles.

long range SHOULD be 80-120km ... where tachs, cruise, 1400's and 420mm dominate
medium range should be 20-80km
short range within 20 km

nobody uses long range anymore. Nerfed tachs and borked long range projectiles are the cause.

but as usual, someone will give tempest more cap and more armor, make 1400s super powerful and tempest will be owning everything. Lets try stick to the role play a bit next nerf/fix.

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Originally by: Venna

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Tempest clearly being the worst out of the tier 2 Battleships.

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Originally by: Venna

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Tempest clearly being the worst out of the tier 2 Battleships.

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Originally by: Black 1

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Originally by: Venna

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Tempest clearly being the worst out of the tier 2 Battleships.

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The tempest is a teir 1 BS anit it?

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Originally by: Black 1

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Originally by: Venna

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Tempest clearly being the worst out of the tier 2 Battleships.

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The tempest is a teir 1 BS anit it?

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A funny thing 'bout regret is that it is better to regret something u have done than to regret something u haven't
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A funny thing 'bout regret is that it is better to regret something u have done than to regret something u haven't
-Satan

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A funny thing 'bout regret is that it is better to regret something u have done than to regret something u haven't
-Satan

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A funny thing 'bout regret is that it is better to regret something u have done than to regret something u haven't
-Satan

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Originally by: chillx

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*strokes Typhoon.

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Originally by: chillx

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*strokes Typhoon.

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Originally by: Rob Mattacks

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Yes although the grid was boosted on the typhoon it was not enough imo. It has taken a fitting nerf as grid was given to compensate increase in armor repairers but not enough to fit siege aswell. The cruise launchers have a terrible ROF and you should be able to fit 4 siege easy on a close range set up as they are no way overpowered on a typhoon without bonuses. The long range armor tank you can forget about as it once again lacks grid big time. Add to that the low performance of projectiles and you have another nerfed ship.

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Originally by: Rob Mattacks

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Yes although the grid was boosted on the typhoon it was not enough imo. It has taken a fitting nerf as grid was given to compensate increase in armor repairers but not enough to fit siege aswell. The cruise launchers have a terrible ROF and you should be able to fit 4 siege easy on a close range set up as they are no way overpowered on a typhoon without bonuses. The long range armor tank you can forget about as it once again lacks grid big time. Add to that the low performance of projectiles and you have another nerfed ship.

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Originally by: chillx

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It is fairly annoying that my DOT at 50km is better with my rupture than my phoon. Yes my 720's are named on my rupture but they regularly outperform the 1200's on my phoon.

Also the insane number of tracking mods you need on a Min BS severly hampers whatever other setup your trying to achieve. My corp mates laugh when the hear I have to put 4 tracking / damage modules on my phoon to get anything like decent hits.

Still, I like to RP so I'm stuck with a 70Mill cruiser. Thank god my missiles and drones still work

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Originally by: chillx

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It is fairly annoying that my DOT at 50km is better with my rupture than my phoon. Yes my 720's are named on my rupture but they regularly outperform the 1200's on my phoon.

Also the insane number of tracking mods you need on a Min BS severly hampers whatever other setup your trying to achieve. My corp mates laugh when the hear I have to put 4 tracking / damage modules on my phoon to get anything like decent hits.

Still, I like to RP so I'm stuck with a 70Mill cruiser. Thank god my missiles and drones still work

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Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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Originally by: Rob Mattacks

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Yes although the grid was boosted on the typhoon it was not enough imo. It has taken a fitting nerf as grid was given to compensate increase in armor repairers but not enough to fit siege aswell. The cruise launchers have a terrible ROF and you should be able to fit 4 siege easy on a close range set up as they are no way overpowered on a typhoon without bonuses. The long range armor tank you can forget about as it once again lacks grid big time. Add to that the low performance of projectiles and you have another nerfed ship.

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A Long range setup should never have to tank something too much. It should be fast moving, hard hitting full of tricks to get out of tough situations. I don't mind using 2 or 3 dmods and a tracking booster and sensor booster on a PHOON before even thinking about the rest. But the phoons stats are rediculous. Its a gimp ship now because the ACs suck, its max targeting range is completely nerfed by the 10% boost in optimum range when the falloff/tracking fixes were applied. The Typhoon is a mini-Tempest. It is a long range ship like any other Minm ship. It has options that allow it to be fast striking but it should never be better at it than a Mega/Domi/Apoc/Geddon. Just like the those shouldn't be long range kinds like Scorp/Raven/Phoon/tempest should be. The fact that the stats of the guns, ammo and ship wipe out any chance of it filling its role.

Like I said before an easy probable balanced ( we must try before it stays ) :

1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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Originally by: Rob Mattacks

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Yes although the grid was boosted on the typhoon it was not enough imo. It has taken a fitting nerf as grid was given to compensate increase in armor repairers but not enough to fit siege aswell. The cruise launchers have a terrible ROF and you should be able to fit 4 siege easy on a close range set up as they are no way overpowered on a typhoon without bonuses. The long range armor tank you can forget about as it once again lacks grid big time. Add to that the low performance of projectiles and you have another nerfed ship.

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A Long range setup should never have to tank something too much. It should be fast moving, hard hitting full of tricks to get out of tough situations. I don't mind using 2 or 3 dmods and a tracking booster and sensor booster on a PHOON before even thinking about the rest. But the phoons stats are rediculous. Its a gimp ship now because the ACs suck, its max targeting range is completely nerfed by the 10% boost in optimum range when the falloff/tracking fixes were applied. The Typhoon is a mini-Tempest. It is a long range ship like any other Minm ship. It has options that allow it to be fast striking but it should never be better at it than a Mega/Domi/Apoc/Geddon. Just like the those shouldn't be long range kinds like Scorp/Raven/Phoon/tempest should be. The fact that the stats of the guns, ammo and ship wipe out any chance of it filling its role.

Like I said before an easy probable balanced ( we must try before it stays ) :

1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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Originally by: Rob Mattacks

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Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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Originally by: Rob Mattacks

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Yes although the grid was boosted on the typhoon it was not enough imo. It has taken a fitting nerf as grid was given to compensate increase in armor repairers but not enough to fit siege aswell. The cruise launchers have a terrible ROF and you should be able to fit 4 siege easy on a close range set up as they are no way overpowered on a typhoon without bonuses. The long range armor tank you can forget about as it once again lacks grid big time. Add to that the low performance of projectiles and you have another nerfed ship.

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A Long range setup should never have to tank something too much. It should be fast moving, hard hitting full of tricks to get out of tough situations. I don't mind using 2 or 3 dmods and a tracking booster and sensor booster on a PHOON before even thinking about the rest. But the phoons stats are rediculous. Its a gimp ship now because the ACs suck, its max targeting range is completely nerfed by the 10% boost in optimum range when the falloff/tracking fixes were applied. The Typhoon is a mini-Tempest. It is a long range ship like any other Minm ship. It has options that allow it to be fast striking but it should never be better at it than a Mega/Domi/Apoc/Geddon. Just like the those shouldn't be long range kinds like Scorp/Raven/Phoon/tempest should be. The fact that the stats of the guns, ammo and ship wipe out any chance of it filling its role.

Like I said before an easy probable balanced ( we must try before it stays ) :

1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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Yes i wasn't really clear but i meant that a Typhoon using armor defence, not necessarily a full on tank, lacks grid that it had before. There is no doubt about that - close range and long range with the increase in grid of armor rep and launchers.

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Originally by: Rob Mattacks

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Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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Originally by: Rob Mattacks

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Yes although the grid was boosted on the typhoon it was not enough imo. It has taken a fitting nerf as grid was given to compensate increase in armor repairers but not enough to fit siege aswell. The cruise launchers have a terrible ROF and you should be able to fit 4 siege easy on a close range set up as they are no way overpowered on a typhoon without bonuses. The long range armor tank you can forget about as it once again lacks grid big time. Add to that the low performance of projectiles and you have another nerfed ship.

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A Long range setup should never have to tank something too much. It should be fast moving, hard hitting full of tricks to get out of tough situations. I don't mind using 2 or 3 dmods and a tracking booster and sensor booster on a PHOON before even thinking about the rest. But the phoons stats are rediculous. Its a gimp ship now because the ACs suck, its max targeting range is completely nerfed by the 10% boost in optimum range when the falloff/tracking fixes were applied. The Typhoon is a mini-Tempest. It is a long range ship like any other Minm ship. It has options that allow it to be fast striking but it should never be better at it than a Mega/Domi/Apoc/Geddon. Just like the those shouldn't be long range kinds like Scorp/Raven/Phoon/tempest should be. The fact that the stats of the guns, ammo and ship wipe out any chance of it filling its role.

Like I said before an easy probable balanced ( we must try before it stays ) :

1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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Yes i wasn't really clear but i meant that a Typhoon using armor defence, not necessarily a full on tank, lacks grid that it had before. There is no doubt about that - close range and long range with the increase in grid of armor rep and launchers.

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Originally by: Shim'naunta

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Ok lets get this right, the phoon is not suposed to be a long range ship.

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Originally by: Shim'naunta

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Ok lets get this right, the phoon is not suposed to be a long range ship.

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Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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Originally by: Selim

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Edited by: Selim on 18/08/2004 01:13:26

Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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I totally agree. This is what minmatar need.

I dont care if this causes the mineral cost of the EMP or Phased Plasma to go through the roof, that would be fine with me. Artillery should be awesome at long range, doing huge damage amounts, but needing good skill to make sure they hit nicely. Artillery should have a base damage of 7.5 in my opinion, that would balance it all out. To win against a Tempest with artillery you'd get in close and move around and stuff. It wouldnt be uber, just only if you're unskilled. When you are decent enough to move around, it would be a nice even match.

Fix the projectiles!

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Originally by: Selim

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Edited by: Selim on 18/08/2004 01:13:26

Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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I totally agree. This is what minmatar need.

I dont care if this causes the mineral cost of the EMP or Phased Plasma to go through the roof, that would be fine with me. Artillery should be awesome at long range, doing huge damage amounts, but needing good skill to make sure they hit nicely. Artillery should have a base damage of 7.5 in my opinion, that would balance it all out. To win against a Tempest with artillery you'd get in close and move around and stuff. It wouldnt be uber, just only if you're unskilled. When you are decent enough to move around, it would be a nice even match.

Fix the projectiles!

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Originally by: Selim

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Edited by: Selim on 18/08/2004 01:13:26

Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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I totally agree. This is what minmatar need.

I dont care if this causes the mineral cost of the EMP or Phased Plasma to go through the roof, that would be fine with me. Artillery should be awesome at long range, doing huge damage amounts, but needing good skill to make sure they hit nicely. Artillery should have a base damage of 7.5 in my opinion, that would balance it all out. To win against a Tempest with artillery you'd get in close and move around and stuff. It wouldnt be uber, just only if you're unskilled. When you are decent enough to move around, it would be a nice even match.

Fix the projectiles!

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Originally by: Selim

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Edited by: Selim on 18/08/2004 01:13:26

Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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1) Give more DMOD on ALL Projectile guns
2) Give back ALL prepatch falloff
3) Increase all Minm ships base targeting range by 40%
4) Reverse the range on the ammo ( ie EMP gets a range bonus at same damage rating )

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I totally agree. This is what minmatar need.

I dont care if this causes the mineral cost of the EMP or Phased Plasma to go through the roof, that would be fine with me. Artillery should be awesome at long range, doing huge damage amounts, but needing good skill to make sure they hit nicely. Artillery should have a base damage of 7.5 in my opinion, that would balance it all out. To win against a Tempest with artillery you'd get in close and move around and stuff. It wouldnt be uber, just only if you're unskilled. When you are decent enough to move around, it would be a nice even match.

Fix the projectiles!

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Originally by: MachZERO

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Hey all! Just was wondering if you all have seen the tech 2 projectiles? I noticed that the tracking speed has been improved a little... (of course the skill requirements are EXTREME!)

Maybe Tech 2 Projectiles will be our saving grace?...

Any thoughts

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Originally by: MachZERO

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Hey all! Just was wondering if you all have seen the tech 2 projectiles? I noticed that the tracking speed has been improved a little... (of course the skill requirements are EXTREME!)

Maybe Tech 2 Projectiles will be our saving grace?...

Any thoughts

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Originally by: Xtro 2

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The tempest was flavour of the month not long ago, the ships has not changed 1 iota, only the projectile guns have changed, nothing stops any battleship user from using any of the other guns out there, the ship itsself is still what it was and always has been, good allround.

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Originally by: Xtro 2

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The tempest was flavour of the month not long ago, the ships has not changed 1 iota, only the projectile guns have changed, nothing stops any battleship user from using any of the other guns out there, the ship itsself is still what it was and always has been, good allround.

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Originally by: Blitzkrieg

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Tempest sucky at long range can hit but low dmg
Tempest sucky at short-med range decent (not great) dmg but can't hit a thing.

Want to make it a long range ship increase Lead dmg.

Easy simple fast fix

They did increase the lead ammos base damage but it didnt make much effect when you included the other nerfs.

The only tweak the tempest and phoon as ships need is mabye a bit extra power as projectiles seem to have the biggest power usegae out of all the large turrets and about 50m/s on its base speed.

the guns however sorely let it down

..and I agree won't fix all the probs w/ proj but at least will see a few more temps out there

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Originally by: Blitzkrieg

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Tempest sucky at long range can hit but low dmg
Tempest sucky at short-med range decent (not great) dmg but can't hit a thing.

Want to make it a long range ship increase Lead dmg.

Easy simple fast fix

They did increase the lead ammos base damage but it didnt make much effect when you included the other nerfs.

The only tweak the tempest and phoon as ships need is mabye a bit extra power as projectiles seem to have the biggest power usegae out of all the large turrets and about 50m/s on its base speed.

the guns however sorely let it down

..and I agree won't fix all the probs w/ proj but at least will see a few more temps out there

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Originally by: Lord Anubis

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not to be picky here but i count 4

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Originally by: Lord Anubis

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not to be picky here but i count 4

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Originally by: Miramas

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This game has 3 level of difficulty:
Beginner: Fly Caldari
Average: Fly Amarr
Pro: Fly Gallente
God mode: Fly Minmatar

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Originally by: Miramas

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This game has 3 level of difficulty:
Beginner: Fly Caldari
Average: Fly Amarr
Pro: Fly Gallente
God mode: Fly Minmatar

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Originally by: Nilit

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Edited by: Nilit on 26/08/2004 13:56:06
Not to rant but imho , the entire race design for Minmatar is full of fundamental flaws.

It is my impression that race bonus for Minmatar is speed of their vesseles.Indeed , base speed of every ship of Minmatar race is higher than other race's counterparts.

Here are the flaws :

1.Speed itself is not an offensive characteristic.

2.Base speed advantage is insignificant to make any difference in player vs player combat.

3.Projectiles have slowest tracking of all weapons , when combined with high speed and transversal velocity of Minmatar ships , this design doesn't make any sense at all.
Why have highest speed if your weapons have lowest tracking ?


As for myself , Im re-training for Amarr ships / lasers.

From my past MMO experience , I can say that nerfbat always comes around and best things always get nerfed ... err , sorry "balanced" , so perhaps lasers are currently on top of "To be nerfed" list and maybe few months later projectiles will again be a good option.

One thing MMO developers don't realise is that there is no Balance.No matter how much balancing they do , there will always be something "favorite" , "best" , "overpowered" and nerfing only creates angry players who want to press "Cancel subscription" button.

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Originally by: Nilit

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Edited by: Nilit on 26/08/2004 13:56:06
Not to rant but imho , the entire race design for Minmatar is full of fundamental flaws.

It is my impression that race bonus for Minmatar is speed of their vesseles.Indeed , base speed of every ship of Minmatar race is higher than other race's counterparts.

Here are the flaws :

1.Speed itself is not an offensive characteristic.

2.Base speed advantage is insignificant to make any difference in player vs player combat.

3.Projectiles have slowest tracking of all weapons , when combined with high speed and transversal velocity of Minmatar ships , this design doesn't make any sense at all.
Why have highest speed if your weapons have lowest tracking ?


As for myself , Im re-training for Amarr ships / lasers.

From my past MMO experience , I can say that nerfbat always comes around and best things always get nerfed ... err , sorry "balanced" , so perhaps lasers are currently on top of "To be nerfed" list and maybe few months later projectiles will again be a good option.

One thing MMO developers don't realise is that there is no Balance.No matter how much balancing they do , there will always be something "favorite" , "best" , "overpowered" and nerfing only creates angry players who want to press "Cancel subscription" button.

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Originally by: SwitchBl4d3

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Why do people keep saying Tempests and projectiles suck.
open your scanner change velocity to transversal velocity now adjust to your target. This applys for long and short range. Even with ninja Fingers and MWD u can hit with a 1400 at 600/ms..

it's up to you to use the LOOK AT funtion on your target and follow there path of direction, sheesh

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Originally by: SwitchBl4d3

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Why do people keep saying Tempests and projectiles suck.
open your scanner change velocity to transversal velocity now adjust to your target. This applys for long and short range. Even with ninja Fingers and MWD u can hit with a 1400 at 600/ms..

it's up to you to use the LOOK AT funtion on your target and follow there path of direction, sheesh

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Its all cyclical anyway, apoc is next in nerf line.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Its all cyclical anyway, apoc is next in nerf line.

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Originally by: Damajin

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Its all cyclical anyway, apoc is next in nerf line.

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Why Why Why???!!!!

1 day before i got mwd, woopsiedaisy ccp decided to put the nerfbat at work on it
1 day before i got the tempest. it al went to kingdom crap
now being minmattar, i am training for an apoc, not making anymore friends with minmattar fighters who despys me cuz i sold some slaves accidently (i was a freaking noob, stil am though), i see august 31 coming up . will the nerfbat get another wack at a random bs who they feel is too powerfull, and will thatt random bs happend to be an apoc .

i don`t feel my luck changing.
i might as well fly a kessie fulltime and go kill some tempests myself, web them and spam em with sabretooths for a few hours til they eventually die of exhaustian

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Originally by: Damajin

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Its all cyclical anyway, apoc is next in nerf line.

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Why Why Why???!!!!

1 day before i got mwd, woopsiedaisy ccp decided to put the nerfbat at work on it
1 day before i got the tempest. it al went to kingdom crap
now being minmattar, i am training for an apoc, not making anymore friends with minmattar fighters who despys me cuz i sold some slaves accidently (i was a freaking noob, stil am though), i see august 31 coming up . will the nerfbat get another wack at a random bs who they feel is too powerfull, and will thatt random bs happend to be an apoc .

i don`t feel my luck changing.
i might as well fly a kessie fulltime and go kill some tempests myself, web them and spam em with sabretooths for a few hours til they eventually die of exhaustian

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Originally by: Nilit

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Edited by: Nilit on 26/08/2004 13:56:06
Not to rant but imho , the entire race design for Minmatar is full of fundamental flaws.

It is my impression that race bonus for Minmatar is speed of their vesseles.Indeed , base speed of every ship of Minmatar race is higher than other race's counterparts.

Here are the flaws :

1.Speed itself is not an offensive characteristic.

2.Base speed advantage is insignificant to make any difference in player vs player combat.

3.Projectiles have slowest tracking of all weapons , when combined with high speed and transversal velocity of Minmatar ships , this design doesn't make any sense at all.
Why have highest speed if your weapons have lowest tracking ?


As for myself , Im re-training for Amarr ships / lasers.

From my past MMO experience , I can say that nerfbat always comes around and best things always get nerfed ... err , sorry "balanced" , so perhaps lasers are currently on top of "To be nerfed" list and maybe few months later projectiles will again be a good option.

One thing MMO developers don't realise is that there is no Balance.No matter how much balancing they do , there will always be something "favorite" , "best" , "overpowered" and nerfing only creates angry players who want to press "Cancel subscription" button.

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Originally by: Nilit

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Edited by: Nilit on 26/08/2004 13:56:06
Not to rant but imho , the entire race design for Minmatar is full of fundamental flaws.

It is my impression that race bonus for Minmatar is speed of their vesseles.Indeed , base speed of every ship of Minmatar race is higher than other race's counterparts.

Here are the flaws :

1.Speed itself is not an offensive characteristic.

2.Base speed advantage is insignificant to make any difference in player vs player combat.

3.Projectiles have slowest tracking of all weapons , when combined with high speed and transversal velocity of Minmatar ships , this design doesn't make any sense at all.
Why have highest speed if your weapons have lowest tracking ?


As for myself , Im re-training for Amarr ships / lasers.

From my past MMO experience , I can say that nerfbat always comes around and best things always get nerfed ... err , sorry "balanced" , so perhaps lasers are currently on top of "To be nerfed" list and maybe few months later projectiles will again be a good option.

One thing MMO developers don't realise is that there is no Balance.No matter how much balancing they do , there will always be something "favorite" , "best" , "overpowered" and nerfing only creates angry players who want to press "Cancel subscription" button.

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Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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Originally by: Damajin

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Its all cyclical anyway, apoc is next in nerf line.

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Why Why Why???!!!!

1 day before i got mwd, woopsiedaisy ccp decided to put the nerfbat at work on it
1 day before i got the tempest. it al went to kingdom crap
now being minmattar, i am training for an apoc, not making anymore friends with minmattar fighters who despys me cuz i sold some slaves accidently (i was a freaking noob, stil am though), i see august 31 coming up . will the nerfbat get another wack at a random bs who they feel is too powerfull, and will thatt random bs happend to be an apoc .

i don`t feel my luck changing.
i might as well fly a kessie fulltime and go kill some tempests myself, web them and spam em with sabretooths for a few hours til they eventually die of exhaustian

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A kessie could never kill a Tempest unless they were alseep. Anyway the Tempest with other guns works fine. Its the projectiles that are broke. And to the comment about transverse velocity... thats all crap. I can out damage a 1400mm with a 250mm rail using the same technique. So plz save us from your comments.

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Originally by: Kaylona Tso

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Originally by: Damajin

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Its all cyclical anyway, apoc is next in nerf line.

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Why Why Why???!!!!

1 day before i got mwd, woopsiedaisy ccp decided to put the nerfbat at work on it
1 day before i got the tempest. it al went to kingdom crap
now being minmattar, i am training for an apoc, not making anymore friends with minmattar fighters who despys me cuz i sold some slaves accidently (i was a freaking noob, stil am though), i see august 31 coming up . will the nerfbat get another wack at a random bs who they feel is too powerfull, and will thatt random bs happend to be an apoc .

i don`t feel my luck changing.
i might as well fly a kessie fulltime and go kill some tempests myself, web them and spam em with sabretooths for a few hours til they eventually die of exhaustian

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A kessie could never kill a Tempest unless they were alseep. Anyway the Tempest with other guns works fine. Its the projectiles that are broke. And to the comment about transverse velocity... thats all crap. I can out damage a 1400mm with a 250mm rail using the same technique. So plz save us from your comments.

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Originally by: SwitchBl4d3

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Firsty i dont use any damage mods i havent enough low slots.

secondly im not gonner stop using them or the tempest for that matter.

thirdly if it's that bad use some goddamn'd tracking mods on your mids theres enough of them i can free up at least 3 from EW mods alone

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Originally by: SwitchBl4d3

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Firsty i dont use any damage mods i havent enough low slots.

secondly im not gonner stop using them or the tempest for that matter.

thirdly if it's that bad use some goddamn'd tracking mods on your mids theres enough of them i can free up at least 3 from EW mods alone

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