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Hussain
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:02:00 -
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State of the Gallente Federation-Caldari State War
As of yesterday the Caldari State reached a new high mark in their war against the Federation, they have taken control of the Verge Vendor region, this are dark news for us Gallenteans but it must also be taken as call to all that defend freedom to redouble their efforts to stop the Caldari aggression. This happened due to the ineptitude of both the Federation Navy and the Federal Defense Union. The Militia never did truly organized a concerted effort in order to stop the Caldari onslaught and the Navy has never been able to counter the Caldari tactics. Steps must be taken to correct this problems or we are facing a still darker future. But its in the darkest moments that light shines brighter, so lets us the defenders of freedom and justice be that light and carry it until our final victory !
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Well enough fluff and credit where is due the Caldari Militia (in particular certain of their corps) are winning the war, that is a because of 3 factors, first they have worked hard and long for it, second we (the militia) never put a concerted effort in stopping them and third our Navy is useless. I share the blame for I am a member of the militia, but its also true that apart from certain members most people don't care for plexing, "what do I gain with that ?" (this in part its CCPs fault) being the most used sentence and the "let them have the systems,we have the kills !" being close second (but please guys look at the fw stats, lately we aren't getting neither systems nor more kills) or even "plexing is for carebears !". Most of the militia guys just want pew-pew (and I understand them I myself play 1-2 hours a day tops) in the moments they are playing but of lately pew-pew is found not in the "Tama pipe" but where plexing is heavier, it also seems that organization (at least regarding mid-long term goals) is not our thing and the Caldari has shown us what they can do and even what we COULD do if we wanted it. Our Navy (and the Amarr one last time I checked pre-Apocrypha) cant still handle anything that orbits faster than 1100m/s (see this post dated 10/2008 about the problem in detail http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=904635&page=1#12) and so almost anyone (at least no longer the 3 days noobs due to the "New Player Experience") can offensive plex anything Gallente/Amarrr by speed soloing it while we have to fight to get the same results and the magical "one setup plexes all" isn't really available to us. This is CCPs fault. I really hope that we CCP gives a little more attention to FW, I think its no longer "the first step to 0.0" but it gained a live of its own.
To end Federation Militia guys rise up ! Fight smarter, fight harder and plex for the love of the Federation !
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:40:00 -
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It is not NPC fault that you will lose. Caldari plexing is always organised teamwork. It does not matter what NPC does it will be beaten anyway.
It is ment that Gallente Militia defend those plexes. So it is not NPC fault it is your and your militia members fault.
Caldari is going to conquer all your areas without rewards. So reward is not reason why you will lose. It is your and your militia member fault.
You've failed and you will fail again.
Soon there is no more Gallente it will be FAILLANTE !
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:42:00 -
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Yes, the plex imbalances are a bit of a problem, but there are ways around it. You just need to have 5 pilots that capture 150+ plexes per week, that's all. Caldari seem to have several of those people, judging by the stats, while Gallente has none. No wonder that Gallente is losing.
While I was out capping 300 plexes per week, that gave enough for us to capture a few systems, but now that AshenShugar and Plumbumber and me stopped with it, you see the Caldari taking one system after another.
When I get some respect and recognition I'll be back, all I got was a lot of hate because I wanted a medal for winning a CCP sponsored contest regarding plexing for the Alliance Tournament. ---
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger Caldari is going to conquer all your areas without rewards. So reward is not reason why you will lose. It is your and your militia member fault.
Maybe we'll just let you take them all for now, and when you're bored and burnt-out, CCP finally introduces some reward, and we'll just take them all back, getting shiny items, while you did it all for nothing. ---
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Yes, the plex imbalances are a bit of a problem, but there are ways around it. You just need to have 5 pilots that capture 150+ plexes per week, that's all. Caldari seem to have several of those people, judging by the stats, while Gallente has none. No wonder that Gallente is losing.
While I was out capping 300 plexes per week, that gave enough for us to capture a few systems, but now that AshenShugar and Plumbumber and me stopped with it, you see the Caldari taking one system after another.
When I get some respect and recognition I'll be back, all I got was a lot of hate because I wanted a medal for winning a CCP sponsored contest regarding plexing for the Alliance Tournament.
You did not have any problems with NPC , your standings were so good that NPC did not shoot you at all. So i think your plexing is not comparable to other players efforts at all.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Bad Messenger Caldari is going to conquer all your areas without rewards. So reward is not reason why you will lose. It is your and your militia member fault.
Maybe we'll just let you take them all for now, and when you're bored and burnt-out, CCP finally introduces some reward, and we'll just take them all back, getting shiny items, while you did it all for nothing.
I've allready got what i am seeking for. Good small scale pvp with good pilot friends of Caldari State. I think i've used my time well here in Faction Warfare.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger I've allready got what i am seeking for. Good small scale pvp with good pilot friends of Caldari State. I think i've used my time well here in Faction Warfare.
As you said yourself, the Gallente isn't even showing up in the plexes either. ---
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Bad Messenger I've allready got what i am seeking for. Good small scale pvp with good pilot friends of Caldari State. I think i've used my time well here in Faction Warfare.
As you said yourself, the Gallente isn't even showing up in the plexes either.
Where did i said that?
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Cosmic Raider
Solo Plex
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 19/03/2009 12:31:04 All the reasons the Gallente are losing are here on display in their own words.
1. "Plexing is for carebears." This shows the fundamental lack of understanding that plexing is not about PVP. Even the most casual look at the kill leaders and plex leaders would reveal a striking coincidence.
2. The stunning continued insistence by Ankhesentapemtkah that she will only return if given a medal. This sort of selfishness and lack of leadership is exactly why the Gallente were unable to assemble a core group of plexers and then expand from there.
3. Various whining. Lack of reward is my favorite. As if the OMS-Tama run is rewarding. Our reward is the satisfaction we get every day from our teamwork to kill WT and take systems. We have gone from wondering WTF are we doing and how the hell will we do it to a sense that we can no longer be stopped. Even our own blob fleet FC's are now asking us how we are getting it done and when we tell them they are in disbelief. The so-called Plex imbalance? Figure it out and move forward.
4. Variations on the theme of "we just want to kill people." No wonder Gallente is bleeding pilots to other things - they have no reason to stay. Caldari plexers have a strategy and therefore a reason to play. We have purpose to what we are doing and know we are going to get plenty of pew pew every day.
Plexing is alot of work that requires the construction of a sophsticated network as well as acquiring and training people who buy into the strategy and the teamwork required. The fact that Gallente had some very good individual plexers shows the weakness of that approach - when they leave for whatever reason, the effort falls apart. Caldari also lost some great plexers, but our system enabled us to move forward to greater accomplishments. Simply put, Caldari made the investment and others have not. This is why we have captured an impressive 26 systems, control our base space and conquered Verge Vendor. We operate in every system over the entirety of Caldari-Gallente FW space, which many people find difficult to grasp.
The Gallente do have pilots that get it. Val Erian and Picado Pitviper come to mind. Microfunk is currently trying. However, if the Gallente are unable or unwilling to respond in a broader way, we will take the rest of their space as well. It's just a matter of time.
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Wensley
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:53:00 -
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Since FOOM left I think the only Gallente FW pilots I have seen in Verge Vendor has been one enormous blob. They swept through and ran the available plexes while the Caldari just sat it out. Once the Gallente had breezed through never to be seen again the Caldari came back out and got on with their work. About the only resistance they face is pirates and they seem to have got the hang of dealing with us now, too
Please make a concerted effort to take back Verge Vendor, Federation Militia. I hate those Caldari 'plexes. The ECM makes it a bad place for pirating. Bring back the ineffectual sensor damping rats.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:57:00 -
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aloha ankh, protip, free of charge 1)create corp 2)create medal 3)award that medal to yourself 4)??? 5)no, no profit this time :(
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Arakidias
IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hussain
Our Navy (and the Amarr one last time I checked pre-Apocrypha) cant still handle anything that orbits faster than 1100m/s (see this post dated 10/2008 about the problem in detail http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=904635&page=1#12) and so almost anyone (at least no longer the 3 days noobs due to the "New Player Experience") can offensive plex anything Gallente/Amarrr by speed soloing it while we have to fight to get the same results and the magical "one setup plexes all" isn't really available to us.
Yet somehow the Amarr Militia manages to deal with that..
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Gar Ddhen
Gallente Can't Decide Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Arakidias
Originally by: Hussain
Our Navy (and the Amarr one last time I checked pre-Apocrypha) cant still handle anything that orbits faster than 1100m/s (see this post dated 10/2008 about the problem in detail http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=904635&page=1#12) and so almost anyone (at least no longer the 3 days noobs due to the "New Player Experience") can offensive plex anything Gallente/Amarrr by speed soloing it while we have to fight to get the same results and the magical "one setup plexes all" isn't really available to us.
Yet somehow the Amarr Militia manages to deal with that..
They dont get jammed.
Despite what the Caldari Militia say the combination of an inability to speed tank Caldari Navy NPC's, plus the fact that they jam you, does pose difficulties in plexes that the Caldari Militia do not have to deal with. However, saying that will just get the usual adapt crap... whatever.
FOOM did try, Gal Mil didnt listen, the likelyhood of FOOM ever returning to FW are about the same as a snowballs chance in hell. I dont really like forum chest beating, but have to hand it to the Caldari FW crowd, good job. Congrats.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wensley I hate those Caldari 'plexes. The ECM makes it a bad place for pirating. Bring back the ineffectual sensor damping rats.
Hmm. Could this be an explanation why the Gall in general seem to dislike offensive plexing much more than the Caldaris...
Tho tbh I read these threads with wondrous amusement. Who *cares*?
With the current ruleset I at least don't care. I really, really don't. Suppose that is why I don't want to do anything about it either. See you in the pew guys. ---
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Wensley
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.03.19 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Wensley I hate those Caldari 'plexes. The ECM makes it a bad place for pirating. Bring back the ineffectual sensor damping rats.
Hmm. Could this be an explanation why the Gall in general seem to dislike offensive plexing much more than the Caldaris...
If you're in it to take the plex you just kill the rats. Their damage is pretty easy to avoid or shrug off. Its when you're in for a quick gank and the rats turn on you that you've got problems.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.19 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wensley
If you're in it to take the plex you just kill the rats. Their damage is pretty easy to avoid or shrug off. Its when you're in for a quick gank and the rats turn on you that you've got problems.
My motivation to be in a plex usually falls to the quick gank category as well, tbh. ---
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.03.19 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah ...while you did it all for nothing.
Not true. I got to kill you in a plex 7 seconds before your timer ended, and then listen to you whine in Local for an hour. Was worth all the plexing in the world. One of the few happy memories I have of FW.
Taxman VII: Kingdom of Vlad
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Anwar DeRuyter
Gallente MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:16:00 -
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Impressive job Caldaris, I'll be curious to see what comes in the wake of your blitzkrieg through Verge Vendor - for good or bad.
Now I'll quickly bail this forum thread and not get webbed by the "plexing good or bad" debate. Just the quick cliches...to each their own, plex and let plex...or gank at your discretion. ;)
It is all about the fun, don't **** on other folk's parades, unless you've earned the advanced ****ing certificate.
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Ronin Reborn
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.19 18:48:00 -
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Sigh. Pretty much boils down to more Caldari enjoy/care about plexing than Gallente, plex 'imbalance', numbers and organization is just a byproduct. If you (Caldari Militia) want to play FW that way thats fine, and you have been very succsessful on that front. Others don't have to play that way though, and Caldari insisting that you're winning when most will admit Gallente simply don't care is an arguement thats been beaten to death already.
As far as 'winning the war', it's designed to never end.
Now if Dodixie/Auvergene and Jita/Motsu could be turned to lowsec and occupied people all over eve would have a reason to care.
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Ramon Sohei
URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP
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Posted - 2009.03.19 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ramon Sohei on 19/03/2009 20:11:22 I've tried to set a plex fleets but I guess most people want to PvP.
Oh and there's Bad Messenger(tm) afk in Ladistier station for hours and that scares some people off. Wait, he's on this thread. lol
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ronin Reborn Now if Dodixie/Auvergene and Jita/Motsu could be turned to lowsec and occupied people all over eve would have a reason to care.
Thanks to FW, you can, in a fashion
http://pervs.pingtimeout.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12664
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Major Deviant
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Posted - 2009.03.19 20:56:00 -
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For those that say plexing and what the caldari militia has achieved means nothing:
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2804&tid=6
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2806&tid=6
It is in the news. I would not be surprised if certain black rise systems become hi sec systems in the future. Congrats Caldari militia.
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Draco Rosso
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Draco Rosso on 19/03/2009 21:46:38 I can do better http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=utype&tyid=5&cid=10000068
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2728&tid=5
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Major Deviant
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Rosso Edited by: Draco Rosso on 19/03/2009 21:46:38 I can do better http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=utype&tyid=5&cid=10000068
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2728&tid=5
Hey, I had missed the second one, thanks.
(Links added as well)
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Atraxerxes
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:55:00 -
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Hussain, Kudos man. Damn fine job on the thread (although my ego wishes you had mentioned a certain Caldari corp or two).
I hope the gals do get a little fired up over this and work some plex magic, but alas, I think we know the answer to that.
Well, you have two regions left, so I think it won't be hard to figure out what we are doing next. You can get your spies out of our corp now. they obviously didn't work in VV.
I do say that out of all the points made on this thread I do agree most with the fact that CCP has kind of dropped the ball on FW. But not so much on the Plex NPCs. (Just grab the agro then kite the ships while a second pilot runs the timer down).
It has been almost a year since the launch of FW and there has been little changed.
This next quote is straight form a bullet point on the CCP press release about FW ò Factional Warfare Complexes - Militia pilots that successfully scan for a hidden deadspace complex and hold it uncontested for a set amount of time will claim it for their faction, and be rewarded with corporate standing as well as more tangible benefits.
The only tangible benefits I might have seen was rat loot. And while the press release and Dev blogs also allude to players having the power to direct the course of the conflict, not much was ever sad after the initial fan fare.
The fact that FW in itself could possibly end this year, or never brings up the question of why even bother plexing? But one could also ask why even bother FW PvP'ing? You gain nothing but a Killmail and you've ruined your standings with a faction almost beyond repair, while ostrasizing you from half of hi-sec. So I guess it's like pirating in a way...?
In short my whole point to this reply and I think a big dilemma for a lot of FW players is, does CCP have an endgame for FW? If so what is it? And secondly if you are going to play the game inside the game that is FW, you can't just play one half of it and say you're winning.
Atraxerxes/CEO 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
"Green isn't a good color for us.
I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
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Kessiaan
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.03.20 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 20/03/2009 01:22:48 I tip my hat to the 22nd and the Caldari militia in general for what they've accomplished.
But since we're discussing it I do think that the rats need to be looked at - a lot of people on the Gallente side don't want to deal with plexes because of the ECM.
The ECM from the Caldari rats is far more of a problem for the Gallentes than getting damped is for the Caldari. It makes it virtually impossible to defend yourself if you're alone in a hostile plex, even against a single person in an inferior ship - some of the Taibu guys will near perma-jam most Gallente plexing boats in anything bigger than a minor, and makes it equally hard to engage Caldari plexing defensively (as you'll get jammed and either get owned or the target will warp off).
Now, I'm not saying you can't deal with it, but it's a pain in the ass and really turns people off in a way that damps don't, in a manner similar to the larger 'ECM is broken' debate that's been going on forever now.
In any case, the conquest won't last, things are finally starting to get a bit more organized on our side.
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Atraxerxes
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:47:00 -
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I agree completely that ECM sucks worse than Damps. But for some reason when everybody got their nano nerf wish (a ship that could move faster than ammo is just wrong) missile damage got nerfed too.
So I'd like to get an honest answer from the 3 Gallenete pilots who were plexing before & after Quantum Rise, are you take more, the same or less damage in Caldari plexes now?
Please, honor the 1v1 Q&A on this thread.
AX
"Green isn't a good color for us.
I think we'll paint this region BLUE."
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Droog 1
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:55:00 -
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Most Caldari are not looking for pvp. They run 30 caracals through gallente hisec and back to tama which never stops for a fight even when it's in the pipe. They form 25 man fleets which turn and run when confronted with a similar sized force and waste their time in complexes because they think that a fake war can be 'won'.
If the squids wanted a fight they would form fleets and meet the gallente head on. If they want ranks they can sit in a complex and then beat their chests about it. Or maybe the squids are too afraid to lose anything bigger than a cruiser and that's why they stick to small plexes and complaining about rewards.
Congratulations on achieving meaningless ranks for runnng meaningless complexes in an attempt to win a meaningless war.
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Cosmic Raider
Solo Plex
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Posted - 2009.03.20 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Droog 1 Most Caldari are not looking for pvp. They run 30 caracals through gallente hisec and back to tama which never stops for a fight even when it's in the pipe. They form 25 man fleets which turn and run when confronted with a similar sized force and waste their time in complexes because they think that a fake war can be 'won'.
If the squids wanted a fight they would form fleets and meet the gallente head on. If they want ranks they can sit in a complex and then beat their chests about it. Or maybe the squids are too afraid to lose anything bigger than a cruiser and that's why they stick to small plexes and complaining about rewards.
Congratulations on achieving meaningless ranks for runnng meaningless complexes in an attempt to win a meaningless war.
Yay! We went a whole day before the truly stupid posts started!
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Garrus Alenko
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Posted - 2009.03.20 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Raider
Originally by: Droog 1 Most Caldari are not looking for pvp. They run 30 caracals through gallente hisec and back to tama which never stops for a fight even when it's in the pipe. They form 25 man fleets which turn and run when confronted with a similar sized force and waste their time in complexes because they think that a fake war can be 'won'.
If the squids wanted a fight they would form fleets and meet the gallente head on. If they want ranks they can sit in a complex and then beat their chests about it. Or maybe the squids are too afraid to lose anything bigger than a cruiser and that's why they stick to small plexes and complaining about rewards.
Congratulations on achieving meaningless ranks for runnng meaningless complexes in an attempt to win a meaningless war.
Yay! We went a whole day before the truly stupid posts started!
Some people don't seem to understand what a video game is seriously makes me laugh every time. Rewards mean nothing to me its the combat that challenges me that grabs my interest in faction warefare haven't started yet but going to once I hit the required standing to participate.
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