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Posted - 2004.11.11 00:17:00 - [91]

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There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.

And the reason we haven't found an earth-like planet is because our tech cannot even find earth-sized planets--the current consensus is that once we can, earth-like planets will pop up all over the place. An Earth-like planet is most likely common--an Earth-like planet with life is what is quite rare.
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There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.

And the reason we haven't found an earth-like planet is because our tech cannot even find earth-sized planets--the current consensus is that once we can, earth-like planets will pop up all over the place. An Earth-like planet is most likely common--an Earth-like planet with life is what is quite rare.
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Posted - 2004.11.11 00:17:00 - [93]

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/11/2004 00:20:33
There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.

And the reason we haven't found an earth-like planet is because our tech cannot even find earth-sized planets--the current consensus is that once we can, earth-like planets will pop up all over the place. An Earth-like planet is most likely common--an Earth-like planet with life is what is quite rare.

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Posted - 2004.11.11 07:21:00 - [94]

Edited by: Nero Scuro on 11/11/2004 07:33:08
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There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.


Actually, there are 5000 binary star systems in EVE. That's 10,000 stars. And even so, I didn't say the chances of a Earth like planet were low in a galaxy, I said they were low in EVE because it only has 5000 star systems. In a billion star systems, one or two Earth like planets (who knows, maybe more. Predictions vary, although they NEVER say that Earth like planets are in anyway common) star systems would probably exist.

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And the reason we haven't found an earth-like planet is because our tech cannot even find earth-sized planets


I never said we could. I said that simulations predict that Earth like planets are not common. CERTAINLY not planets that humans could live on without heavy reliance on technology.

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An Earth-like planet is most likely common--an Earth-like planet with life is what is quite rare.


Actually, it's the opposite way around. No, really. Rolling Eyes
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Posted - 2004.11.11 07:21:00 - [95]

Edited by: Nero Scuro on 11/11/2004 07:33:08
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There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.


Actually, there are 5000 binary star systems in EVE. That's 10,000 stars. And even so, I didn't say the chances of a Earth like planet were low in a galaxy, I said they were low in EVE because it only has 5000 star systems. In a billion star systems, one or two Earth like planets (who knows, maybe more. Predictions vary, although they NEVER say that Earth like planets are in anyway common) star systems would probably exist.

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And the reason we haven't found an earth-like planet is because our tech cannot even find earth-sized planets


I never said we could. I said that simulations predict that Earth like planets are not common. CERTAINLY not planets that humans could live on without heavy reliance on technology.

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An Earth-like planet is most likely common--an Earth-like planet with life is what is quite rare.


Actually, it's the opposite way around. No, really. Rolling Eyes
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Posted - 2004.11.11 07:21:00 - [96]

Edited by: Nero Scuro on 11/11/2004 07:33:08
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There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.


Actually, there are 5000 binary star systems in EVE. That's 10,000 stars. And even so, I didn't say the chances of a Earth like planet were low in a galaxy, I said they were low in EVE because it only has 5000 star systems. In a billion star systems, one or two Earth like planets (who knows, maybe more. Predictions vary, although they NEVER say that Earth like planets are in anyway common) star systems would probably exist.

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And the reason we haven't found an earth-like planet is because our tech cannot even find earth-sized planets


I never said we could. I said that simulations predict that Earth like planets are not common. CERTAINLY not planets that humans could live on without heavy reliance on technology.

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An Earth-like planet is most likely common--an Earth-like planet with life is what is quite rare.


Actually, it's the opposite way around. No, really. Rolling Eyes
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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:23:00 - [97]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
Edited by: Nero Scuro on 11/11/2004 07:33:08
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There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.


Actually, there are 5000 binary star systems in EVE. That's 10,000 stars. And even so, I didn't say the chances of a Earth like planet were low in a galaxy, I said they were low in EVE because it only has 5000 star systems. In a billion star systems, one or two Earth like planets (who knows, maybe more. Predictions vary, although they NEVER say that Earth like planets are in anyway common) star systems would probably exist.


not a claim you or anyone else can make as we have only one example. we have a detailed survey of only ONE solar system in which ONE earth like planet is found. ergo, the only odds calculation we can make put the chances of finding earth like planets at 1:1.

obviously that's not the correct odds, which suggests what? NOTHING FOOL, we don't have enough data! When we've surveyed a couple of thousand, maybe million, systems, THEN, and ONLY then can we even BEGIN to calculate the odds of finding an earth like planet. cause right now, it's all conjecture.





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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:23:00 - [98]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
Edited by: Nero Scuro on 11/11/2004 07:33:08
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There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.


Actually, there are 5000 binary star systems in EVE. That's 10,000 stars. And even so, I didn't say the chances of a Earth like planet were low in a galaxy, I said they were low in EVE because it only has 5000 star systems. In a billion star systems, one or two Earth like planets (who knows, maybe more. Predictions vary, although they NEVER say that Earth like planets are in anyway common) star systems would probably exist.


not a claim you or anyone else can make as we have only one example. we have a detailed survey of only ONE solar system in which ONE earth like planet is found. ergo, the only odds calculation we can make put the chances of finding earth like planets at 1:1.

obviously that's not the correct odds, which suggests what? NOTHING FOOL, we don't have enough data! When we've surveyed a couple of thousand, maybe million, systems, THEN, and ONLY then can we even BEGIN to calculate the odds of finding an earth like planet. cause right now, it's all conjecture.





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Posted - 2004.11.12 19:23:00 - [99]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
Edited by: Nero Scuro on 11/11/2004 07:33:08
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There are more than 5000 stars in EVE. There are only 5000 star systems with jumpgates. But there are most likely billions of others.


Actually, there are 5000 binary star systems in EVE. That's 10,000 stars. And even so, I didn't say the chances of a Earth like planet were low in a galaxy, I said they were low in EVE because it only has 5000 star systems. In a billion star systems, one or two Earth like planets (who knows, maybe more. Predictions vary, although they NEVER say that Earth like planets are in anyway common) star systems would probably exist.


not a claim you or anyone else can make as we have only one example. we have a detailed survey of only ONE solar system in which ONE earth like planet is found. ergo, the only odds calculation we can make put the chances of finding earth like planets at 1:1.

obviously that's not the correct odds, which suggests what? NOTHING FOOL, we don't have enough data! When we've surveyed a couple of thousand, maybe million, systems, THEN, and ONLY then can we even BEGIN to calculate the odds of finding an earth like planet. cause right now, it's all conjecture.





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Posted - 2004.11.12 21:53:00 - [100]

Just a question.

It was stated that mitrogen in large quantities was poisonous. Is not our atmosphere 70% nitrogen?

Seems to me that a large quantity of nitrogen is relatively benign. I think large quantities of oxygen would be more detrimental.
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Posted - 2004.11.12 21:53:00 - [101]

Just a question.

It was stated that mitrogen in large quantities was poisonous. Is not our atmosphere 70% nitrogen?

Seems to me that a large quantity of nitrogen is relatively benign. I think large quantities of oxygen would be more detrimental.
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Posted - 2004.11.12 21:53:00 - [102]

Just a question.

It was stated that mitrogen in large quantities was poisonous. Is not our atmosphere 70% nitrogen?

Seems to me that a large quantity of nitrogen is relatively benign. I think large quantities of oxygen would be more detrimental.
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Posted - 2004.11.13 04:48:00 - [103]

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we have a detailed survey of only ONE solar system in which ONE earth like planet is found


As I have already stated (what, 3 times now?) those are based of simulations. Official Nasa simulations based on basic probability and what we already know about other stars, plus the effects that certain different phenomena would have on a planet.

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Is not our atmosphere 70% nitrogen?


78% to be accurate, but it's lighter than air so it's mostly in our atmosphere. Mars doesn't really have an atmosphere though, so...
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Posted - 2004.11.13 04:48:00 - [104]

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we have a detailed survey of only ONE solar system in which ONE earth like planet is found


As I have already stated (what, 3 times now?) those are based of simulations. Official Nasa simulations based on basic probability and what we already know about other stars, plus the effects that certain different phenomena would have on a planet.

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Is not our atmosphere 70% nitrogen?


78% to be accurate, but it's lighter than air so it's mostly in our atmosphere. Mars doesn't really have an atmosphere though, so...
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Posted - 2004.11.13 04:48:00 - [105]

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we have a detailed survey of only ONE solar system in which ONE earth like planet is found


As I have already stated (what, 3 times now?) those are based of simulations. Official Nasa simulations based on basic probability and what we already know about other stars, plus the effects that certain different phenomena would have on a planet.

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Is not our atmosphere 70% nitrogen?


78% to be accurate, but it's lighter than air so it's mostly in our atmosphere. Mars doesn't really have an atmosphere though, so...
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Posted - 2004.11.13 09:38:00 - [106]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
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As I have already stated (what, 3 times now?) those are based of simulations. Official Nasa simulations based on basic probability and what we already know about other stars, plus the effects that certain different phenomena would have on a planet.



please, simulations based on incomplete data. nobody in nasa will tell you that those simulations are anywhere near accurate.


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Posted - 2004.11.13 09:38:00 - [107]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
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As I have already stated (what, 3 times now?) those are based of simulations. Official Nasa simulations based on basic probability and what we already know about other stars, plus the effects that certain different phenomena would have on a planet.



please, simulations based on incomplete data. nobody in nasa will tell you that those simulations are anywhere near accurate.


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Posted - 2004.11.13 09:38:00 - [108]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
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As I have already stated (what, 3 times now?) those are based of simulations. Official Nasa simulations based on basic probability and what we already know about other stars, plus the effects that certain different phenomena would have on a planet.



please, simulations based on incomplete data. nobody in nasa will tell you that those simulations are anywhere near accurate.


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Posted - 2004.11.14 16:38:00 - [109]

How about Venus?
We can't alter gravity (the principal problem with Mars)but we can alter heat, pressure and the chemical composition of an atmosphere. What do you pie-in-the-sky guys think of doing something with Venus?
Or is that even less probable?
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Posted - 2004.11.14 16:38:00 - [110]

How about Venus?
We can't alter gravity (the principal problem with Mars)but we can alter heat, pressure and the chemical composition of an atmosphere. What do you pie-in-the-sky guys think of doing something with Venus?
Or is that even less probable?
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Posted - 2004.11.14 16:38:00 - [111]

How about Venus?
We can't alter gravity (the principal problem with Mars)but we can alter heat, pressure and the chemical composition of an atmosphere. What do you pie-in-the-sky guys think of doing something with Venus?
Or is that even less probable?
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:58:00 - [112]

Venus is even less probable. It has a runaway greenhouse affect, which means that you'd pretty much have to flush the entire atmosphere off the face of the planet and start again. Changing it would certainly be quite a task...
But apparently Venus was once quite like Earth, until something went wrong (possibly volcanoes that spewed carbon dioxide into the air, which caused a chain reaction by increasing surface temperature which would then cause more carbon dioxide to be released, which would etc yada yada yada).
And Venus' gravity is far worse than Mar's. I think... Maybe it's just surface pressure, I forget... >.>
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:58:00 - [113]

Venus is even less probable. It has a runaway greenhouse affect, which means that you'd pretty much have to flush the entire atmosphere off the face of the planet and start again. Changing it would certainly be quite a task...
But apparently Venus was once quite like Earth, until something went wrong (possibly volcanoes that spewed carbon dioxide into the air, which caused a chain reaction by increasing surface temperature which would then cause more carbon dioxide to be released, which would etc yada yada yada).
And Venus' gravity is far worse than Mar's. I think... Maybe it's just surface pressure, I forget... >.>
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:58:00 - [114]

Venus is even less probable. It has a runaway greenhouse affect, which means that you'd pretty much have to flush the entire atmosphere off the face of the planet and start again. Changing it would certainly be quite a task...
But apparently Venus was once quite like Earth, until something went wrong (possibly volcanoes that spewed carbon dioxide into the air, which caused a chain reaction by increasing surface temperature which would then cause more carbon dioxide to be released, which would etc yada yada yada).
And Venus' gravity is far worse than Mar's. I think... Maybe it's just surface pressure, I forget... >.>
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:26:00 - [115]

surface pressure is about 90 times that of earth. Gravity difference is minor.

Surfce temperature is ~480 Centigrade

Atmosphere composition

96% carbon dioxide,
3% nitrogen,
0.003% water vapor

not much that can be done there i think
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:26:00 - [116]

surface pressure is about 90 times that of earth. Gravity difference is minor.

Surfce temperature is ~480 Centigrade

Atmosphere composition

96% carbon dioxide,
3% nitrogen,
0.003% water vapor

not much that can be done there i think
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:26:00 - [117]

surface pressure is about 90 times that of earth. Gravity difference is minor.

Surfce temperature is ~480 Centigrade

Atmosphere composition

96% carbon dioxide,
3% nitrogen,
0.003% water vapor

not much that can be done there i think
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Posted - 2004.11.16 00:47:00 - [118]

Ah no. I checked up the details. It has very weak gravity despite being the same size as Earth. Something to do with it rotating on its axis only once a year...
:(
And aside from the gravity, apparently all the oxygen is locked in the rocks... and all the hydrogen flew off into space several billion years ago.
But apart from that...
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Posted - 2004.11.16 00:47:00 - [119]

Ah no. I checked up the details. It has very weak gravity despite being the same size as Earth. Something to do with it rotating on its axis only once a year...
:(
And aside from the gravity, apparently all the oxygen is locked in the rocks... and all the hydrogen flew off into space several billion years ago.
But apart from that...
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Posted - 2004.11.16 00:47:00 - [120]

Ah no. I checked up the details. It has very weak gravity despite being the same size as Earth. Something to do with it rotating on its axis only once a year...
:(
And aside from the gravity, apparently all the oxygen is locked in the rocks... and all the hydrogen flew off into space several billion years ago.
But apart from that...
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