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Rattman
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:09:00 -
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 Originally by: SKiNNiEH
@ Jack Birrent: for some people, this game is not only about who to F1-F8 today... Some really like the politics, friendships, cloak and dagger type of side that EVE has.
@ Rattman: he meant you made a typo... "with" should be "without" :)
edting now
All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance |
Rattman
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:09:00 -
[182]
Originally by: SKiNNiEH
@ Jack Birrent: for some people, this game is not only about who to F1-F8 today... Some really like the politics, friendships, cloak and dagger type of side that EVE has.
@ Rattman: he meant you made a typo... "with" should be "without" :)
edting now
All opinions, rambling or not, expressed here are my own and not that of my corp or alliance |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:40:00 -
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Just wanted to give out respect to pretty much everyone in this thread. The frank discussion of diplomacy in here shines a favorable light upon the maturity and complexity of Eve life.
Regardless of your position on the issues I offer my respect to you all. Damn this is a great community!
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:40:00 -
[184]
Just wanted to give out respect to pretty much everyone in this thread. The frank discussion of diplomacy in here shines a favorable light upon the maturity and complexity of Eve life.
Regardless of your position on the issues I offer my respect to you all. Damn this is a great community!
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:48:00 -
[185]
Edited by: DJTheBaron on 20/08/2004 12:49:43
put it this way, the aliances who own all that space yet not the stations are a joke, an alliance with no stations? Its a kick in the teeth every time theyre told they cant have the stations they fight for, and its not as if the people who tell them this are willing to fight for them, or defend that area, theyre simply in it for the tax, fountian cant defend that area even if it wanted to, they cant defend fountian, and theyre soon going to find the people they used as a firewall and then taxed are sick of that excrement
Edit: Adapting profanity
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.08.20 12:48:00 -
[186]
Edited by: DJTheBaron on 20/08/2004 12:49:43
put it this way, the aliances who own all that space yet not the stations are a joke, an alliance with no stations? Its a kick in the teeth every time theyre told they cant have the stations they fight for, and its not as if the people who tell them this are willing to fight for them, or defend that area, theyre simply in it for the tax, fountian cant defend that area even if it wanted to, they cant defend fountian, and theyre soon going to find the people they used as a firewall and then taxed are sick of that excrement
Edit: Adapting profanity
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:02:00 -
[187]
Quote:
o no u better hide an fa stating thier opinions on the forums will get u kicked
Hehe..I seriously doubt that.
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:02:00 -
[188]
Quote:
o no u better hide an fa stating thier opinions on the forums will get u kicked
Hehe..I seriously doubt that.
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The Daddy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:26:00 -
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Having fought with Zoners as part of a CFS operation when the stations first appeared, I can understand the frustration that station control (or lack of) generates. We moved a lot of resource in, only to have the station taken and we then had to move out when Techell hired M0o and it became unusable to us.
I agree with the other posters that say that stations should be controlled by locals, who would then benefit from them and use revenue generated to possibly fund a local defence force, not some distant alliance that uses the station as some sort of revenue generator to help it try and raise ISK to acquire a monopoly in Tech II BP's. All this backed up by veiled threats of force if the locals dare question the status quo.
I am also very pleased with the way in which CA has matured in the way it is dealing with locals and is acting in a pragmatic manner to resolve a situation that benefits neither DSMA/CFS or the CA.
The CA doesn't want to control CFS space, nor does the FA, but at least the CA doesn't want to tax you for the privilige. Taxation without representation anyone????
I also think that this has been a great thread for mature discussion on a potentially very 'hot' topic
Di! Ecce hora! Uxor mea me necabit! |
The Daddy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:26:00 -
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Having fought with Zoners as part of a CFS operation when the stations first appeared, I can understand the frustration that station control (or lack of) generates. We moved a lot of resource in, only to have the station taken and we then had to move out when Techell hired M0o and it became unusable to us.
I agree with the other posters that say that stations should be controlled by locals, who would then benefit from them and use revenue generated to possibly fund a local defence force, not some distant alliance that uses the station as some sort of revenue generator to help it try and raise ISK to acquire a monopoly in Tech II BP's. All this backed up by veiled threats of force if the locals dare question the status quo.
I am also very pleased with the way in which CA has matured in the way it is dealing with locals and is acting in a pragmatic manner to resolve a situation that benefits neither DSMA/CFS or the CA.
The CA doesn't want to control CFS space, nor does the FA, but at least the CA doesn't want to tax you for the privilige. Taxation without representation anyone????
I also think that this has been a great thread for mature discussion on a potentially very 'hot' topic
Di! Ecce hora! Uxor mea me necabit! |
Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:37:00 -
[191]
Originally by: DeGrand
Quote:
o no u better hide an fa stating thier opinions on the forums will get u kicked
Hehe..I seriously doubt that.
I was asked to leave my corp for posting my opinions on the forums and I know of others who have been kicked or asked to leave also.
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:37:00 -
[192]
Originally by: DeGrand
Quote:
o no u better hide an fa stating thier opinions on the forums will get u kicked
Hehe..I seriously doubt that.
I was asked to leave my corp for posting my opinions on the forums and I know of others who have been kicked or asked to leave also.
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EviL ElecTricIaN
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:40:00 -
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perhaps ca can stop shooting at everything that enters a2-, as its pretty damn hard to see them as the good guys when all they do is gank neutrals trying to enter..
keep up the propaganda tho, its pretty funny to watch |
EviL ElecTricIaN
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:40:00 -
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perhaps ca can stop shooting at everything that enters a2-, as its pretty damn hard to see them as the good guys when all they do is gank neutrals trying to enter..
keep up the propaganda tho, its pretty funny to watch |
Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:44:00 -
[195]
Originally by: The Daddy
All this backed up by veiled threats of force if the locals dare question the status quo.
There have been no veiled threats. We have stated publicly that we will kill whoever takes our stations. End of discussion.
On the other hand, while you guys are busy deciding who you hate the most, the parties involved are discussing the issue, hopefully to the fulfillment of everyone's wishes.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:44:00 -
[196]
Originally by: The Daddy
All this backed up by veiled threats of force if the locals dare question the status quo.
There have been no veiled threats. We have stated publicly that we will kill whoever takes our stations. End of discussion.
On the other hand, while you guys are busy deciding who you hate the most, the parties involved are discussing the issue, hopefully to the fulfillment of everyone's wishes.
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Head of Public Relations, Fountain Alliance |
Katya Detia
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:48:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Katya Detia on 20/08/2004 13:49:35
threats come again from FA.. I dont see it as your station... I see an unwanted force there.
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Katya Detia
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Katya Detia on 20/08/2004 13:49:35
threats come again from FA.. I dont see it as your station... I see an unwanted force there.
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CEO: Black Sea Industries
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benwallace
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:55:00 -
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ask fa to ask local who you like more fa or dsma and CA said when all stations are handed to dsma/cfs/sta they will leave pb delve querious and a2
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benwallace
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:55:00 -
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ask fa to ask local who you like more fa or dsma and CA said when all stations are handed to dsma/cfs/sta they will leave pb delve querious and a2
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:56:00 -
[201]
Originally by: EviL ElecTricIaN
perhaps ca can stop shooting at everything that enters a2-, as its pretty damn hard to see them as the good guys when all they do is gank neutrals trying to enter..
keep up the propaganda tho, its pretty funny to watch
This may help, though I admit I do not know what the current ROE stand at this time:
Originally by: Duke Droklar
NOTE: DSMA should have a frig scout preceding any convoys or transports announcing to CA fleets that DSMA will be passing through. This is the only way to ensure accidents do not occur. Once CFS officially accepts our offer and ceases assistance to FA we will grant them the same courtesy.
It maybe the case that you should ask in local if you can pass through prior to attempting to run the blockade and getting blown to Khanid Prime and back. That or simply scout and chose not to pass then. Jumping blind into a known warzone is a quick way to invite death upon yourself.
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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Celebon
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Posted - 2004.08.20 13:56:00 -
[202]
Originally by: EviL ElecTricIaN
perhaps ca can stop shooting at everything that enters a2-, as its pretty damn hard to see them as the good guys when all they do is gank neutrals trying to enter..
keep up the propaganda tho, its pretty funny to watch
This may help, though I admit I do not know what the current ROE stand at this time:
Originally by: Duke Droklar
NOTE: DSMA should have a frig scout preceding any convoys or transports announcing to CA fleets that DSMA will be passing through. This is the only way to ensure accidents do not occur. Once CFS officially accepts our offer and ceases assistance to FA we will grant them the same courtesy.
It maybe the case that you should ask in local if you can pass through prior to attempting to run the blockade and getting blown to Khanid Prime and back. That or simply scout and chose not to pass then. Jumping blind into a known warzone is a quick way to invite death upon yourself.
Drink StarsiÖ
Security Division
Caldari State Citizen
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:21:00 -
[203]
Originally by: EviL ElecTricIaN
perhaps ca can stop shooting at everything that enters a2-, as its pretty damn hard to see them as the good guys when all they do is gank neutrals trying to enter..
keep up the propaganda tho, its pretty funny to watch
We have ceased hostilities with DSMA pilots which they can confirm as for other pilots we don't see you as neutrals just like any other alliance inside a war zone will shoot you if your not identified as a friendly faction pilot.
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:21:00 -
[204]
Originally by: EviL ElecTricIaN
perhaps ca can stop shooting at everything that enters a2-, as its pretty damn hard to see them as the good guys when all they do is gank neutrals trying to enter..
keep up the propaganda tho, its pretty funny to watch
We have ceased hostilities with DSMA pilots which they can confirm as for other pilots we don't see you as neutrals just like any other alliance inside a war zone will shoot you if your not identified as a friendly faction pilot.
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:23:00 -
[205]
I am prepared to form a one-pseron corporation and manage the station for all people.
All taxes and fees to be set to minimum and docking rights granted to everyone.
Isn't that the most sensible solution for all of the stations in those regions ?
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Thanit
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:23:00 -
[206]
I am prepared to form a one-pseron corporation and manage the station for all people.
All taxes and fees to be set to minimum and docking rights granted to everyone.
Isn't that the most sensible solution for all of the stations in those regions ?
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Amthor
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:25:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Alkad Mzu
Originally by: The Daddy
All this backed up by veiled threats of force if the locals dare question the status quo.
There have been no veiled threats. We have stated publicly that we will kill whoever takes our stations. End of discussion.
On the other hand, while you guys are busy deciding who you hate the most, the parties involved are discussing the issue, hopefully to the fulfillment of everyone's wishes.
Have a FA force move there and stay there for more than a week or two and defend it, then, and ONLY then can you ever call it yours.
If its in CFS space and CFS forces are the only ones defending it, the FA has no right to hold it. Besides, CSF is your friend right? Nothing wrong with having your friend hold that station.. FA wouldn't want to willfully harm their friends, would they?  It would be in the best interest of FA to let them have it, if they TRULLY considered CFS their friends.
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor. |
Amthor
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:25:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Alkad Mzu
Originally by: The Daddy
All this backed up by veiled threats of force if the locals dare question the status quo.
There have been no veiled threats. We have stated publicly that we will kill whoever takes our stations. End of discussion.
On the other hand, while you guys are busy deciding who you hate the most, the parties involved are discussing the issue, hopefully to the fulfillment of everyone's wishes.
Have a FA force move there and stay there for more than a week or two and defend it, then, and ONLY then can you ever call it yours.
If its in CFS space and CFS forces are the only ones defending it, the FA has no right to hold it. Besides, CSF is your friend right? Nothing wrong with having your friend hold that station.. FA wouldn't want to willfully harm their friends, would they? It would be in the best interest of FA to let them have it, if they TRULLY considered CFS their friends.
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor. |
benwallace
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:29:00 -
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I really dunno but if cfs and sta wants to take back whats ours we can I am just finding reps to talk to but seems no one is online
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benwallace
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Posted - 2004.08.20 14:29:00 -
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I really dunno but if cfs and sta wants to take back whats ours we can I am just finding reps to talk to but seems no one is online
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