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Rens 2008	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:37:00 - [1] Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported!
Dennmoth Ferdier CINDER INDUSTRIALS	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:47:00 - [2] Well, if you're not in a war with anyone, all you have to be afraid of is the small chance someone knows you're transporting something that valuable and will prepare to suicide gank you. Taken this scenario, if you're in an maxed out armored and repping battleship, they'd need a very large and very expensive fleet operation set up to bring you down. Just have it in small secure container in case of people scanning for your cargo and don't tell anyone you're transporting it, and use armor & shield & rep & recharge setup battleship. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Arthor Dark	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 16:54:36 Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 16:53:06 Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 16:52:22 Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Well, if you're not in a war with anyone, all you have to be afraid of is the small chance someone knows you're transporting something that valuable and will prepare to suicide gank you. Taken this scenario, if you're in an maxed out armored and repping battleship, they'd need a very large and very expensive fleet operation set up to bring you down. Just have it in small secure container in case of people scanning for your cargo and don't tell anyone you're transporting it, and use armor & shield & rep & recharge setup battleship. Using a small secure container won't help, they scan right through that. For best results, use an Orca, they can't scan the Orca's corp hangar, and even if they pop your Orca the contents of the corp hangar are all destroyed and not dropped. The cargo scanner only shows the contents of the regular ship cargo hold, and not the corp hangar, so store the BPO in the corp hangar for transport. Also, you can tank out an Orca pretty darn well to withstand a suicide gank fleet, use a damage control II, etc.
Sola Veritas Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Sola Veritas on 25/03/2009 16:55:01 Secure cargo container to start, then probably a CovOps frigate. If you can't do CovOps, the fastest racial variant would be fineùlike an Executioner or Atron with Overdrives and Inertial Stabilizers. If you're willing to dare ità a shuttle could probably do just fine. There is really not much of a window for ganking between warp activation and alignment, at which point the target is invulnerable. Just leave no delay between warp-in and jump (as if you were running a gatecamp, for example), and you should be fine. This is assuming you're travelling from highsec to highsec. Also, plan your route. If you can, avoid gank systems like Uedama and other hotspots along the obvious trade routes. Depending on where you are, Uedama is your only route, but avoid the ganker systems if you can. Sounds like a fun trip. EDIT: If you're travelling out of Jita for example, do what one of the two posters above said. Undocking from Jita 4-4 with cargo like that is extremely risky. Go for bigger and harder, instead of smaller and faster.
Arthor Dark	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:58:00 - [5] Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 17:01:39 Originally by: Sola Veritas And as for Secure Cargo Containersùeven though they can scan through it, they won't be able to access it. It's a deterrent. A ganker wants to gank cargo he can access. Yes they can (they just repackage it and voila, out comes the contents ) Use the orca, it's godsent for expensive cargo transportation up to 40k m3 at a time. It's safe enough that you can auto-pilot the Orca through empire without any worry.
Sola Veritas Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:16:00 - [6] Edited by: Sola Veritas on 25/03/2009 17:17:25 Originally by: Arthor Dark Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 17:01:39 Originally by: Sola Veritas And as for Secure Cargo Containersùeven though they can scan through it, they won't be able to access it. It's a deterrent. A ganker wants to gank cargo he can access. Yes they can (they just repackage it and voila, out comes the contents ) Really now? Shows what I know about ganking.
Sola Veritas Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:16:00 - [7] Edited by: Sola Veritas on 25/03/2009 17:17:09 Gah, horrible forum code is horribleà
The Riff eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:25:00 - [8] Anything that can warp cloaked tbh Blockage runner fitted for agility and warp speed or a cov ops.
Drahkar	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:27:00 - [9] Contract it to me and I'll safely transport it to my hangar. On a more serious note, just use a BS with a huge buffer and fill it with crap (1-10 units of every type of cheap salvage, bunch of T1 mods, bunch of T1 BPCs)... that should buy you enough time to warp a BS before anyone with a cargo scanner realizes what value your cargo really had. Most important rule is to NEVER go afk and NEVER use autopilot. Manually fly it all the way to its destination.
Fish Hunter	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Rens 2008 Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported! Could do a needle in a haystack, hide it in with a ****load of cheap BPCs or BPOs like ammo. Like said before cov ops frig is best as long as you're not undocking from a patrolled station. But really why would anyone post on the forums that they are wanting to move even a cheap t2 bpo on the forums. You really should just right click trash
Drahkar	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Fish Hunter Originally by: Rens 2008 Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported! Could do a needle in a haystack, hide it in with a **load of cheap BPCs or BPOs like ammo. Like said before cov ops frig is best** as long as you're not undocking from a patrolled station. But really why would anyone post on the forums that they are wanting to move even a cheap t2 bpo on the forums. You really should just right click trash Underlined part is what I JUST said. Bolded part is poor advice in my opinion. I wouldn't put 10B in assests in something that can be killed by a few cycles of large smartbombs.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:49:00 - [12] Most people will tell you to use a covert ops frigate, but this is vulnerable to smartbombing ships at a gate. I suggest a recon ship or blockade runner, both of which can use a covert ops cloak but have greater survivability. The risk of encountering a smartbomb camp in highsec is tiny though, so it's your own call. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:09:00 - [13] In the past, I would have said a gank proof heavy armor ship. Transport BS or HAC for instance, even a Viator will do as well. But now.. Orca FTW.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:10:00 - [14] Personally I've always used a shield extended, warp core stabbed, cloaking recon. As far as the BPO, I had it packaged as a courrier package. A bit paranoid I know, but what If I CTD and somebody gets a scan off me? only thing they will see is a courrier package and move along.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Grendell As far as the BPO, I had it packaged as a courier package. A bit paranoid I know, but what if I CTD and somebody gets a scan off me? only thing they will see is a courier package and move along. I thought Cargo Scanners could see into courier packages just as they can see into cargo containers, no?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria In the past, I would have said a gank proof heavy armor ship. Transport BS or HAC for instance, even a Viator will do as well. But now.. Orca FTW. Are you kidding? They're weak and as slow as a freighter. There are groups that will suicide gank them just for a laugh. A viator is perfect, it won't even get locked. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Grendell As far as the BPO, I had it packaged as a courier package. A bit paranoid I know, but what if I CTD and somebody gets a scan off me? only thing they will see is a courier package and move along. I thought Cargo Scanners could see into courier packages just as they can see into cargo containers, no? Not to my knowledge. I know if you have it in your hands you can see what inside by opening. But from my knowledge not scanable.
Arthor Dark	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:56:00 - [18] Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 18:56:16 Originally by: Nyphur Are you kidding? They're weak and as slow as a freighter. There are groups that will suicide gank them just for a laugh. A viator is perfect, it won't even get locked. Who in their right minds would want to put together about 25 BSs to take out an Orca and lose about 250m (at minimum) and a take a sec rating hit?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Arthor Dark Who in their right minds would want to put together about 25 BSs to take out an Orca and lose about 250m (at minimum) and a take a sec rating hit? It wouldn't take 25 BS and unless I'm mistaken you still get insurance for suicide ganks. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Arthor Dark Who in their right minds would want to put together about 25 BSs to take out an Orca and lose about 250m (at minimum) and a take a sec rating hit? It wouldn't take 25 BS and unless I'm mistaken you still get insurance for suicide ganks. Actually if you fit it right and have the skills it would have 28 BS and you'd have to be in .5, .6 response time will ensure that you'll come out with quarter armor and struc intact. Couple that with the fact that you cannot actually see in the corporate portion, which negates anyone ability to scan what's being moved and unless you are at war, are subject to the whims of corporate espionage, etc.. its the perfect ship for transporting high dollar goods in bulk. I do agree though, that if the print is the only thing being moved, a viator is a better choice. I figured the thread had devolved into what fit the high cargo space high security portion and thus the Orca wins hands down.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:17:00 - [21] TBH I often use a speed rigged interceptor with 2 warp stabs. Aligns to warp in under a second, no chance of lock. With a named MWD is out of a warp bubble in low sec in 3 seconds. As long as you don't autopilot no one can get you. I am usually in high sec though. note: an unnamed ALT flies the ship.
Business Ethics	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Thoraemond I thought Cargo Scanners could see into courier packages just as they can see into cargo containers, no? Correct. There isn't anything you can put your cargo into in the hold to keep it from being scanned. Courier haulers can also look inside the package without breaking it.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.03.25 21:57:00 - [23] There are, as in real life, 2 routes to take to transport high-value items. Stealth and brute force. Stealth is good if you can be sure your intentions and plans haven't been compromised, but the moment someone knows your plan, you're toast. Small fast ships have been and will continue to be suicided by smartbombing battleships in highsec if they have valuable cargo and know you're moving it. If you can be sure nobody knows you're moving the BPO (and you've asked this question with an alt you know is not linkable to you in any way) then it's the easiest and fastest way. You'd better be sure your plans are secret though. Brute force can still be used even if you believe your plan isn't known to anyone, but offers an extra layer of protection for if someone does know what you're up to. You are slower to align and warp, and hence if someone does scan you you might be in for a surprise a few gates down the line though. Passive buffer tank is best for this. You could conceivably even dual-tank the ship. T2 ships with resistance bonuses with plates or shield extenders work well. You may want to use passive resist modules as they're always active and you won't lose EHP if you get neuted. If you can have a trusted friend or alt follow you to either loot the wreck or destroy it if you do get caught then that would help, but again, make sure this friend is your friend even if someone waves half the BPO value under their nose. If you're underway and you suspect something, dock and log, change alts, anything. Better safe than sorry.
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [24] max skilled damnation anyone? something like 450k EHP before slaves -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.03.26 02:53:00 - [25] Just set it up as a courier contract and let someone else worry about it. Worst case scenario - you'd get 10 Billion ISK back if anything went wrong...
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.03.26 03:24:00 - [26] Originally by: cosmoray TBH I often use a speed rigged interceptor with 2 warp stabs. Aligns to warp in under a second, no chance of lock. With a named MWD is out of a warp bubble in low sec in 3 seconds. As long as you don't autopilot no one can get you. I am usually in high sec though. note: an unnamed ALT flies the ship. That's an excellent plan but why not take it a step further and use a Covert Ops frigate with accompanying T2 cloak and fit for best align speed. Now you've got the extremely quick warp off plus you can warp while cloaked. You come through the gate, hit warp to zero immediately followed by the cloak hot-key. It's highly unlikely anything will be close enough to prevent your cloak and in the highly unlikely event something is, you've still only got to a last a second or so while you align and then you're gone.
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.03.26 03:44:00 - [27] Kwint's suggestion is almost foolproof though I did almost lose a Covert Ops frig in Rancer when a Negative Ten camp let off smartbombs in the brief second between becoming visible and cloaking/aligning for warp. It did hurt...
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.26 03:50:00 - [28] And just in case you might get scanned someplace, invent a bunch of copies of the T2 bpo. To someone scanning potential targets, if they see one its likely an original, if they see 10 of the same blueprint, they're copies. This works well with capital bpo's too, but you have to be careful with the ship bpc's, those are still worth a decent chunk anyways.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.03.26 04:52:00 - [29] Interceptor Named MWD T2 Cloak Warp Stab x2 Sure, you could go with courier contract but who would accept a contract that requires 10bil or more colla? You could go with Cov-op ship but they're slower to align to stargate than interceptor Blockage runner is good too but damn, they're slow and they're almost certain to get shot at, esp with a blueprint of any type in its cargohold Blueprint Store
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.26 06:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Brock Nelson Interceptor Named MWD T2 Cloak Warp Stab x2 Sure, you could go with courier contract but who would accept a contract that requires 10bil or more colla? You could go with Cov-op ship but they're slower to align to stargate than interceptor Blockage runner is good too but damn, they're slow and they're almost certain to get shot at, esp with a blueprint of any type in its cargohold That cloak isn't going to do you any good since you can't warp while cloaked and the warp core stabs are a gamble that you won't come up against a double sensor boosted heavy interdictor. If you're not at war, an inty with istabs should be fine. On the other hand, a blockade runner can cloak immediately after initiating warp and still aligns quite quickly. It's also not vulnerable to smartbombs due to both the increased hitpoints and the fact that being cloaked gives no scanner cues with which to time the smartbomb barrage and catch the ship. Seems a lot of people like to transport expensive stuff in interceptors. One of these days I'm going to smartbomb an inty dropping out of warp to a gate in highsec just to test my luck :). EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.

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