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Rens 2008	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:37:00 - [1] Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported!
Dennmoth Ferdier CINDER INDUSTRIALS	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:47:00 - [2] Well, if you're not in a war with anyone, all you have to be afraid of is the small chance someone knows you're transporting something that valuable and will prepare to suicide gank you. Taken this scenario, if you're in an maxed out armored and repping battleship, they'd need a very large and very expensive fleet operation set up to bring you down. Just have it in small secure container in case of people scanning for your cargo and don't tell anyone you're transporting it, and use armor & shield & rep & recharge setup battleship. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
Arthor Dark	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 16:54:36 Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 16:53:06 Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 16:52:22 Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Well, if you're not in a war with anyone, all you have to be afraid of is the small chance someone knows you're transporting something that valuable and will prepare to suicide gank you. Taken this scenario, if you're in an maxed out armored and repping battleship, they'd need a very large and very expensive fleet operation set up to bring you down. Just have it in small secure container in case of people scanning for your cargo and don't tell anyone you're transporting it, and use armor & shield & rep & recharge setup battleship. Using a small secure container won't help, they scan right through that. For best results, use an Orca, they can't scan the Orca's corp hangar, and even if they pop your Orca the contents of the corp hangar are all destroyed and not dropped. The cargo scanner only shows the contents of the regular ship cargo hold, and not the corp hangar, so store the BPO in the corp hangar for transport. Also, you can tank out an Orca pretty darn well to withstand a suicide gank fleet, use a damage control II, etc.
Sola Veritas Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Sola Veritas on 25/03/2009 16:55:01 Secure cargo container to start, then probably a CovOps frigate. If you can't do CovOps, the fastest racial variant would be fineùlike an Executioner or Atron with Overdrives and Inertial Stabilizers. If you're willing to dare ità a shuttle could probably do just fine. There is really not much of a window for ganking between warp activation and alignment, at which point the target is invulnerable. Just leave no delay between warp-in and jump (as if you were running a gatecamp, for example), and you should be fine. This is assuming you're travelling from highsec to highsec. Also, plan your route. If you can, avoid gank systems like Uedama and other hotspots along the obvious trade routes. Depending on where you are, Uedama is your only route, but avoid the ganker systems if you can. Sounds like a fun trip. EDIT: If you're travelling out of Jita for example, do what one of the two posters above said. Undocking from Jita 4-4 with cargo like that is extremely risky. Go for bigger and harder, instead of smaller and faster.
Arthor Dark	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:58:00 - [5] Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 17:01:39 Originally by: Sola Veritas And as for Secure Cargo Containersùeven though they can scan through it, they won't be able to access it. It's a deterrent. A ganker wants to gank cargo he can access. Yes they can (they just repackage it and voila, out comes the contents ) Use the orca, it's godsent for expensive cargo transportation up to 40k m3 at a time. It's safe enough that you can auto-pilot the Orca through empire without any worry.
Sola Veritas Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:16:00 - [6] Edited by: Sola Veritas on 25/03/2009 17:17:25 Originally by: Arthor Dark Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 17:01:39 Originally by: Sola Veritas And as for Secure Cargo Containersùeven though they can scan through it, they won't be able to access it. It's a deterrent. A ganker wants to gank cargo he can access. Yes they can (they just repackage it and voila, out comes the contents ) Really now? Shows what I know about ganking.
Sola Veritas Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:16:00 - [7] Edited by: Sola Veritas on 25/03/2009 17:17:09 Gah, horrible forum code is horribleà
The Riff eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:25:00 - [8] Anything that can warp cloaked tbh Blockage runner fitted for agility and warp speed or a cov ops.
Drahkar	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:27:00 - [9] Contract it to me and I'll safely transport it to my hangar. On a more serious note, just use a BS with a huge buffer and fill it with crap (1-10 units of every type of cheap salvage, bunch of T1 mods, bunch of T1 BPCs)... that should buy you enough time to warp a BS before anyone with a cargo scanner realizes what value your cargo really had. Most important rule is to NEVER go afk and NEVER use autopilot. Manually fly it all the way to its destination.
Fish Hunter	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Rens 2008 Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported! Could do a needle in a haystack, hide it in with a ****load of cheap BPCs or BPOs like ammo. Like said before cov ops frig is best as long as you're not undocking from a patrolled station. But really why would anyone post on the forums that they are wanting to move even a cheap t2 bpo on the forums. You really should just right click trash
Drahkar	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Fish Hunter Originally by: Rens 2008 Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported! Could do a needle in a haystack, hide it in with a **load of cheap BPCs or BPOs like ammo. Like said before cov ops frig is best** as long as you're not undocking from a patrolled station. But really why would anyone post on the forums that they are wanting to move even a cheap t2 bpo on the forums. You really should just right click trash Underlined part is what I JUST said. Bolded part is poor advice in my opinion. I wouldn't put 10B in assests in something that can be killed by a few cycles of large smartbombs.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.25 17:49:00 - [12] Most people will tell you to use a covert ops frigate, but this is vulnerable to smartbombing ships at a gate. I suggest a recon ship or blockade runner, both of which can use a covert ops cloak but have greater survivability. The risk of encountering a smartbomb camp in highsec is tiny though, so it's your own call. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:09:00 - [13] In the past, I would have said a gank proof heavy armor ship. Transport BS or HAC for instance, even a Viator will do as well. But now.. Orca FTW.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:10:00 - [14] Personally I've always used a shield extended, warp core stabbed, cloaking recon. As far as the BPO, I had it packaged as a courrier package. A bit paranoid I know, but what If I CTD and somebody gets a scan off me? only thing they will see is a courrier package and move along.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Grendell As far as the BPO, I had it packaged as a courier package. A bit paranoid I know, but what if I CTD and somebody gets a scan off me? only thing they will see is a courier package and move along. I thought Cargo Scanners could see into courier packages just as they can see into cargo containers, no?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria In the past, I would have said a gank proof heavy armor ship. Transport BS or HAC for instance, even a Viator will do as well. But now.. Orca FTW. Are you kidding? They're weak and as slow as a freighter. There are groups that will suicide gank them just for a laugh. A viator is perfect, it won't even get locked. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Grendell Technologies Unlimited	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Grendell As far as the BPO, I had it packaged as a courier package. A bit paranoid I know, but what if I CTD and somebody gets a scan off me? only thing they will see is a courier package and move along. I thought Cargo Scanners could see into courier packages just as they can see into cargo containers, no? Not to my knowledge. I know if you have it in your hands you can see what inside by opening. But from my knowledge not scanable.
Arthor Dark	Posted - 2009.03.25 18:56:00 - [18] Edited by: Arthor Dark on 25/03/2009 18:56:16 Originally by: Nyphur Are you kidding? They're weak and as slow as a freighter. There are groups that will suicide gank them just for a laugh. A viator is perfect, it won't even get locked. Who in their right minds would want to put together about 25 BSs to take out an Orca and lose about 250m (at minimum) and a take a sec rating hit?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Arthor Dark Who in their right minds would want to put together about 25 BSs to take out an Orca and lose about 250m (at minimum) and a take a sec rating hit? It wouldn't take 25 BS and unless I'm mistaken you still get insurance for suicide ganks. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Arthor Dark Who in their right minds would want to put together about 25 BSs to take out an Orca and lose about 250m (at minimum) and a take a sec rating hit? It wouldn't take 25 BS and unless I'm mistaken you still get insurance for suicide ganks. Actually if you fit it right and have the skills it would have 28 BS and you'd have to be in .5, .6 response time will ensure that you'll come out with quarter armor and struc intact. Couple that with the fact that you cannot actually see in the corporate portion, which negates anyone ability to scan what's being moved and unless you are at war, are subject to the whims of corporate espionage, etc.. its the perfect ship for transporting high dollar goods in bulk. I do agree though, that if the print is the only thing being moved, a viator is a better choice. I figured the thread had devolved into what fit the high cargo space high security portion and thus the Orca wins hands down.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:17:00 - [21] TBH I often use a speed rigged interceptor with 2 warp stabs. Aligns to warp in under a second, no chance of lock. With a named MWD is out of a warp bubble in low sec in 3 seconds. As long as you don't autopilot no one can get you. I am usually in high sec though. note: an unnamed ALT flies the ship.
Business Ethics	Posted - 2009.03.25 19:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Thoraemond I thought Cargo Scanners could see into courier packages just as they can see into cargo containers, no? Correct. There isn't anything you can put your cargo into in the hold to keep it from being scanned. Courier haulers can also look inside the package without breaking it.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.03.25 21:57:00 - [23] There are, as in real life, 2 routes to take to transport high-value items. Stealth and brute force. Stealth is good if you can be sure your intentions and plans haven't been compromised, but the moment someone knows your plan, you're toast. Small fast ships have been and will continue to be suicided by smartbombing battleships in highsec if they have valuable cargo and know you're moving it. If you can be sure nobody knows you're moving the BPO (and you've asked this question with an alt you know is not linkable to you in any way) then it's the easiest and fastest way. You'd better be sure your plans are secret though. Brute force can still be used even if you believe your plan isn't known to anyone, but offers an extra layer of protection for if someone does know what you're up to. You are slower to align and warp, and hence if someone does scan you you might be in for a surprise a few gates down the line though. Passive buffer tank is best for this. You could conceivably even dual-tank the ship. T2 ships with resistance bonuses with plates or shield extenders work well. You may want to use passive resist modules as they're always active and you won't lose EHP if you get neuted. If you can have a trusted friend or alt follow you to either loot the wreck or destroy it if you do get caught then that would help, but again, make sure this friend is your friend even if someone waves half the BPO value under their nose. If you're underway and you suspect something, dock and log, change alts, anything. Better safe than sorry.
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.03.25 22:43:00 - [24] max skilled damnation anyone? something like 450k EHP before slaves -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.03.26 02:53:00 - [25] Just set it up as a courier contract and let someone else worry about it. Worst case scenario - you'd get 10 Billion ISK back if anything went wrong...
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.03.26 03:24:00 - [26] Originally by: cosmoray TBH I often use a speed rigged interceptor with 2 warp stabs. Aligns to warp in under a second, no chance of lock. With a named MWD is out of a warp bubble in low sec in 3 seconds. As long as you don't autopilot no one can get you. I am usually in high sec though. note: an unnamed ALT flies the ship. That's an excellent plan but why not take it a step further and use a Covert Ops frigate with accompanying T2 cloak and fit for best align speed. Now you've got the extremely quick warp off plus you can warp while cloaked. You come through the gate, hit warp to zero immediately followed by the cloak hot-key. It's highly unlikely anything will be close enough to prevent your cloak and in the highly unlikely event something is, you've still only got to a last a second or so while you align and then you're gone.
Kitchie Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp	Posted - 2009.03.26 03:44:00 - [27] Kwint's suggestion is almost foolproof though I did almost lose a Covert Ops frig in Rancer when a Negative Ten camp let off smartbombs in the brief second between becoming visible and cloaking/aligning for warp. It did hurt...
Sophie Daigneau CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.26 03:50:00 - [28] And just in case you might get scanned someplace, invent a bunch of copies of the T2 bpo. To someone scanning potential targets, if they see one its likely an original, if they see 10 of the same blueprint, they're copies. This works well with capital bpo's too, but you have to be careful with the ship bpc's, those are still worth a decent chunk anyways.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.03.26 04:52:00 - [29] Interceptor Named MWD T2 Cloak Warp Stab x2 Sure, you could go with courier contract but who would accept a contract that requires 10bil or more colla? You could go with Cov-op ship but they're slower to align to stargate than interceptor Blockage runner is good too but damn, they're slow and they're almost certain to get shot at, esp with a blueprint of any type in its cargohold Blueprint Store
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.26 06:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Brock Nelson Interceptor Named MWD T2 Cloak Warp Stab x2 Sure, you could go with courier contract but who would accept a contract that requires 10bil or more colla? You could go with Cov-op ship but they're slower to align to stargate than interceptor Blockage runner is good too but damn, they're slow and they're almost certain to get shot at, esp with a blueprint of any type in its cargohold That cloak isn't going to do you any good since you can't warp while cloaked and the warp core stabs are a gamble that you won't come up against a double sensor boosted heavy interdictor. If you're not at war, an inty with istabs should be fine. On the other hand, a blockade runner can cloak immediately after initiating warp and still aligns quite quickly. It's also not vulnerable to smartbombs due to both the increased hitpoints and the fact that being cloaked gives no scanner cues with which to time the smartbomb barrage and catch the ship. Seems a lot of people like to transport expensive stuff in interceptors. One of these days I'm going to smartbomb an inty dropping out of warp to a gate in highsec just to test my luck :). EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.03.26 07:43:00 - [31] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 26/03/2009 07:44:27 More than likely, if you're fitting a covops cloak, your only risk is from a smartbombing gang at a gate, which'll be cleaned up by CONCORD fairly quickly. That said, if you're only in a covops ship, large SB's can be enough to blow you apart. I don't imagine smartbombs have a particularly high alpha, so with that in mind, using a Blockade Runner with a covops cloak, active tank and speed mods ensure you'll get there very safely, and reasonably quickly too. EDIT: What Nyphur said!
Psi Draconis	Posted - 2009.03.26 08:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Rens 2008 Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported! Just shuttle in high sec. Seriously you DON'T autopilot with T2 BPO onboard. Nothing can't catch shuttle in highsec or scan it fast enough...
Tironela	Posted - 2009.03.26 11:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Kazzac Elentria In the past, I would have said a gank proof heavy armor ship. Transport BS or HAC for instance, even a Viator will do as well. But now.. Orca FTW. Are you kidding? They're weak and as slow as a freighter. There are groups that will suicide gank them just for a laugh. A viator is perfect, it won't even get locked. Orca have a corporate hangar bay that can not be scanned. They will not see what you have in corporate hangar bay if they gonna scan you. Or you can just use anything that warp fast and cloacked.
Zarin Karzi	Posted - 2009.03.26 11:35:00 - [34] Use an align fitted Crane, with shield extenders, gives some 5k hp, and aligns in about frigate times.
Hotblue	Posted - 2009.03.26 11:42:00 - [35] Tank fitted pilgrim is fine, very hard to empire gank, cloak makes it very unlikely to get a cargo scan, not going to die to smartbombs and if stuff really does hit the fan for some reason you have a very strong chance of making it back to the gate and jumping out.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.03.26 12:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Brock Nelson Interceptor Named MWD T2 Cloak Warp Stab x2 Sure, you could go with courier contract but who would accept a contract that requires 10bil or more colla? You could go with Cov-op ship but they're slower to align to stargate than interceptor Blockage runner is good too but damn, they're slow and they're almost certain to get shot at, esp with a blueprint of any type in its cargohold That cloak isn't going to do you any good since you can't warp while cloaked and the warp core stabs are a gamble that you won't come up against a double sensor boosted heavy interdictor. If you're not at war, an inty with istabs should be fine. On the other hand, a blockade runner can cloak immediately after initiating warp and still aligns quite quickly. It's also not vulnerable to smartbombs due to both the increased hitpoints and the fact that being cloaked gives no scanner cues with which to time the smartbomb barrage and catch the ship. Seems a lot of people like to transport expensive stuff in interceptors. One of these days I'm going to smartbomb an inty dropping out of warp to a gate in highsec just to test my luck :). You might get lucky if he was on autopilot Blueprint Store
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.03.26 12:44:00 - [37] Use Orca. Stuff does not drop from corp hangars when ship dies as far as I'm aware.
Fat Uncle	Posted - 2009.03.26 14:24:00 - [38] -Don't be in a hurry, leave the BPO for a couple of days. -Use an unknown alt in a cloaky ship (transport, cov ops, recon). -If you are really paranoid you can set up warp-ins at 160 km on all gates along the route so you can check each gate for smartbombers. (If you are in a non-covert-ops-cloak ship this behavior might attract unwanted attention!) Use a second account or trusted friend to jump ahead of you in order to scout the other side of the gate as well.
NateX Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.26 14:34:00 - [39] the safest isnt a small ship.. atleast not for highsec.. its a ship with a mother****er tank, so if someone tries to kill you they cant do it before concord is there.. Like the damnation suggestion.. NO ONE can kill you in that one before concord gets there! --
Dark Voynix Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.03.26 14:50:00 - [40] there are 2 ways, each of them have pros and cons: the covop way: fast, and cloaked. the onl problem is the "undock time" if you are lagged, can happens that someone scan you in time and shicide gank. YOu cant really do nothing. the passive tanking way: immagine to put a trimarked-armour-plated-abbadon ( or some other BS). It will have sooooo many EHP that 4-5bs's will never bu able to gank you. A normal ganking fleet normally dont incluse 30+ bs's so will be simply too small to be able to gank you before they all will be concordokend. The only problem here is: people should not expect that you are trasporting something incredibly valuable at a given time, else there will always be a chance to collect enough people to gank you ( but will require A LOT OF BS'S)
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.03.26 15:23:00 - [41] I once thought this would make a good transport.. Damnation 4 1600mm Rolled Tungsten 2 Reactor-core II's 3 Large Shield Extender II 1 Large Shield Booster II 2 Trimark Armor Pump II 5 Rocket Launcher II's You have 14,000 shields, 58,000 Armor, EFT reports 211,014 effective hit points. You can run the booster for over 3 minutes. The idea was even if it's a Freighter Gank Fleet you'll have enough Hit points to still warp out. Since they don't have "Warp Scambler" drones all you have to do is out last a fleet of drone until you jump into warp. Damnation with that setup takes 15 seconds to warp. With 50 Ogra IIs on the damnation and if the damnation had no resists the armor along would take 12 seconds to kill. Thermal is the lowest resistance so it would be Ogra II that would do the most damage. Assume the alpha strike from the Domi's knocks out your 14,000 sheild points, the Drones come after you, over 24 seconds it would take the Ogre IIs to kill your armor, however for the 15 seconds you're aligning to warp out, you have your give you shield booster pumping away. If you wanted to take the time to kill some Drones the Rockets will cut though them like butter. You'd need a fleet of at least 15-20 Domis to get you. However, I wouldn't recommend this setup as we've seen people field fleets larger then 20 to gank a freighter. Amarr for Life
DayVV4lkEr Liga Freier Terraner Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.03.26 15:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Psi Draconis Originally by: Rens 2008 Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported! Just shuttle in high sec. Seriously you DON'T autopilot with T2 BPO onboard. Nothing can't catch shuttle in highsec or scan it fast enough... What he said. If no one knows what you have loaded they won't kill you! And it is absolutly impossible to scan a Shuttle, trust me, I have moved T2 BPOs worth way more then 500 b in a Shuttle. If you want to be a bit more safe do the transports after 0:00 Eve Time.
Jamyl TashMurkon Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.26 15:50:00 - [43] Crow with 3 inertia stabs 2 medium extenders, invuln and extender rigs
Endel Quam Singulari PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.26 15:55:00 - [44] Originally by: DayVV4lkEr If no one knows what you have loaded they won't kill you! This is not entirely true. Just yesterday I passed a brutix at a high-sec gate. Was a busy gate. Anyway, as I exited warp and was about to jump, the brutix went flashy and 2 seconds later was concorded. I think he was smartbombing small ships for fun, since he had t1 smarties in the wreck. Face it, the moment you undock, you are not safe. Got to love Eve :)
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.26 17:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Rens 2008 Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported! OH NO DONT REPORT ME! First off: Don't tell anyone that you're moving it. You already broke rule 1. 2nd: Dont tell anyone where you're moving it to. 3rd: Or when. 4th: Alt scout. Seriously. And by "alt scout" I mean a Falcon; Falcons can move unseen and have the handy advantage of being able to break the lock of tacklers. 5th: Use a Pilgrim. This combines maximum tank with a covops cloak. 6th: Make bookmarks along your whole route, so you can warp to 200Km off each gate in case of smartbombing BS camps. 7th: Make the run when activity is at a minimum. Moving a T2 BPO justifies an alarm clock op. 8th: DONT TELL ANYONE WHAT YOURE DOING. 9th: Make a couple of practice runs with BPCs just in case you were dumb enough to tell anyone (such as eg: everyone who read this thread). BPCs are identical to BPOs as far as scan results are concerned 10th: think long and hard about whether it is really worth moving the BPO.
Tasko Pal THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Sola Veritas Edited by: Sola Veritas on 25/03/2009 16:56:27 Secure cargo container to start, then probably a CovOps frigate. If you can't do CovOps, the fastest racial variant would be fineùlike an Executioner or Atron with Overdrives and Inertial Stabilizers. The problem with these ships is that you can easily smartbomb them at the warp to 0 point of the exiting jump gate. There are ways around that for a fast cloaking ship. For example, don't warp to 0 or set up bookmarks on the gate well away from the warp to 0 point. You can also use a blockade runner. It's almost as fast as a frigate, warps while cloaked, and can survive an amount of smartbombing.
Panzram GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.26 21:49:00 - [47] a week old character in an ibis
Finnbar OReilly	Posted - 2009.03.26 23:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Rens 2008 Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post but i am just after a bit advise on the best way to transport an expensive T2 bpo. What is the best and safest method to transport a T2 bpo without risk of being ganked in high sec, the bpo is worth about 10bil. Constructive comments only or you will be reported! OH NO DONT REPORT ME! First off: Don't tell anyone that you're moving it. You already broke rule 1. 2nd: Dont tell anyone where you're moving it to. 3rd: Or when. 4th: Alt scout. Seriously. And by "alt scout" I mean a Falcon; Falcons can move unseen and have the handy advantage of being able to break the lock of tacklers. 5th: Use a Pilgrim. This combines maximum tank with a covops cloak. 6th: Make bookmarks along your whole route, so you can warp to 200Km off each gate in case of smartbombing BS camps. 7th: Make the run when activity is at a minimum. Moving a T2 BPO justifies an alarm clock op. 8th: DONT TELL ANYONE WHAT YOURE DOING. 9th: Make a couple of practice runs with BPCs just in case you were dumb enough to tell anyone (such as eg: everyone who read this thread). BPCs are identical to BPOs as far as scan results are concerned 10th: think long and hard about whether it is really worth moving the BPO. 11th: make sure you have fresh batteries in your mouse!
Ricdics Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.27 01:40:00 - [49] I use a covert ops I fill the cargohold with 960 Tech 1 bpcs. This means when someone scans it will take a while for them to get a result and when they do they have to sift through almost 1000 prints to find the t2 bpo. By the time they have done all this you are well and truly gone. Realistically in a covops they should never be able to get a lock to scan you in the first place so its pretty rock solid. The idea regarding the Orca corp hangar is actually brilliant if it bypasses cargo scanners but the Orca is a lump of metal and painful to fly around. When I have a t2 bpo in my hold I just want to get it in and out super quick. The above setup I suggested with covops is empire only. In 0.0 you really shouldn't be moving t2 bpos in the first place, or have a big gang scouting/clearing up ahead.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.03.27 02:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Finnbar OReilly 11th: make sure you have fresh batteries in your mouse! On that note, make sure you use the bathroom first. I'd also like to suggest making the run right after downtime. Campers would still be getting their crew together by the time you made it to empire.
Engineer Butters	Posted - 2009.03.27 03:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Zarin Karzi Use an align fitted Crane, with shield extenders, gives some 5k hp, and aligns in about frigate times. plus a Covert ops cloaking device II If you hit the cloaking device a split sec after you start warp to 0 on the next stargate I believe someone will have a hard time locking on to you let alone getting a scan on your cargo hold. Good luck
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2009.03.27 06:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Brock Nelson You might get lucky if he was on autopilot I take it you've never flown through Rancer or Otou when the really good smartbombers are online? You don't just sit there with the smartbombs on and hope someone runs into them. You use the scanner to tell when someone has gotten to a certain distance from the gate, then use that to time when to activate the smartbombs so that most of them hit the target. You're destroyed and podded before you even exit warp onto the gate, even if you're doing manual warp-to-zero. EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
XrayZII VXR Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.03.27 09:23:00 - [53] interceptor works. safest/fastest imo would be a 'nano-covert ops', warps like a shuttle but faster AU/s and they wont be abel to find u when u cloak and warp all the time... my 2 cents :)
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.03.27 09:48:00 - [54] nano scimitar, halos, standard x-instinct, invuls against a HUGE camp of smart bombs that would be required to pop it. - putting the gist back into logistics
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon	Posted - 2009.03.28 12:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Drahkar Contract it to me and I'll safely transport it to my hangar. On a more serious note, just use a BS with a huge buffer and fill it with crap (1-10 units of every type of cheap salvage, bunch of T1 mods, bunch of T1 BPCs)... that should buy you enough time to warp a BS before anyone with a cargo scanner realizes what value your cargo really had. Most important rule is to NEVER go afk and NEVER use autopilot. Manually fly it all the way to its destination. what also works is put load s and loads of Bookmarks in your cargobay(200-300 or so). that would also give you enough time too warp before they realise what you got in there
Bael Gar	Posted - 2009.03.28 13:25:00 - [56] Best ship for transportation valuables - freighter. It cannot be easily ganked in highsec without special preparations. Problem with cargo scanners have simly solution. 1) Make courier contract to yourself 2) Take "courier container" and make new courier contract with THIS container :) Scanners will show that you carry some kind of "Plastic wrap" and WILL NOT show what inside. You can also buy something cheap to place in freighter cargo. For example some missiles or ore. Any pirate with cargo scanner will see only those cheap cargo and "plastic wrap" from "double courier" contract. No one will attack freighter with big suicide BS fleet in high sec, if they not shure they will get valuable reward.
Lt Angus Caldari End Game. Dead End.	Posted - 2009.03.28 16:15:00 - [57] istab broadsword on warp to 0 please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Mari Katarin	Posted - 2009.03.28 20:32:00 - [58] I can't believe the easiest solution has not been mentioned. Use an alt to pew the gates and spawn concord for a full hour along your path. Then fly something with good EHP/sig radius like a duramaller with a MWD. Yes, that (datacore?) alt will be -10. But like you care.
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.03.29 02:44:00 - [59] Originally by: Mari Katarin I can't believe the easiest solution has not been mentioned. Use an alt to pew the gates and spawn concord for a full hour along your path. Then fly something with good EHP/sig radius like a duramaller with a MWD. Yes, that (datacore?) alt will be -10. But like you care. Concord spawns in proportion to the infraction. A frigate causing trouble doesn't get the same response as a BS, at least not the last time I encountered them. That means this will take a lot of time and you'll waste a decent bit of ISK along the way. If you're going 30+ jumps and loosing a BS on both sides of every gate you might as well just pay someone to move it for you. If you're willing to pay 500M, I'm sure you can find someone willing to put up appropriate collateral. A covert ops is a quicker, cheaper and I suspect safer way to do it. If the corp hangar trick on an Orca really does work than it seems like the absolutely perfect way to do it, assuming no one knows what you're doing or you're willing to shell out for an anonymous, orca-flying alt. That really was a brilliant idea, if it works.
B0LL0CKS	Posted - 2009.03.29 07:59:00 - [60] Originally by: NateX the safest isnt a small ship.. atleast not for highsec.. its a ship with a mother****er tank, so if someone tries to kill you they cant do it before concord is there.. Like the damnation suggestion.. NO ONE can kill you in that one before concord gets there! This... best idea so far
Caecilia Arene Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.29 09:48:00 - [61] Originally by: Psi Draconis Just shuttle in high sec. Seriously you DON'T autopilot with T2 BPO onboard. Nothing can't catch shuttle in highsec or scan it fast enough... This is seriously the only right answer for high grade goods with basically null volume for high sec travel. No autopilot, insta warp, never had a problem. Interceptor is a close 2nd.
Katie Miner	Posted - 2009.03.29 15:49:00 - [62] Edited by: Katie Miner on 29/03/2009 15:50:24 Edited by: Katie Miner on 29/03/2009 15:49:41 Navy mega 3x 1600mm plate 3x Hardeners 1x EANM 1x Dmg control 3x Trimark HG slave set 330 EHP + no autopilot = safe
Darkwing Dan	Posted - 2009.03.29 16:36:00 - [63] I still prefer a freigther when transporting expensive stuff. With the increased CONCORD effectiveness it should be close to 100% safe.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:41:00 - [64] Originally by: Caecilia Arene Originally by: Psi Draconis Just shuttle in high sec. Seriously you DON'T autopilot with T2 BPO onboard. Nothing can't catch shuttle in highsec or scan it fast enough... This is seriously the only right answer for high grade goods with basically null volume for high sec travel. No autopilot, insta warp, never had a problem. Interceptor is a close 2nd. Unless they know you're coming... T2 BPO destroyed by highsec smartbombing BS
The Slagh	Posted - 2009.03.29 23:49:00 - [65] Originally by: cosmoray With a named MWD is out of a warp bubble in low sec in 3 seconds. Why Cosmary, why :(
Kwint Sommer Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2009.03.30 02:41:00 - [66] Just because a few people have mentioned low sec, I'll address that. The first rule of taking a T2 BPO into low sec is don't. I honestly can't think of a single reason for or instance of someone taking a T2 BPO into low sec. Anyways, lets assume you have found some amazing and previously utterly unknown reason to have a T2 BPO in low sec. Use a jump freighter, if done correctly you're safe from everything except the recently ****ed up bumping system but that's suppose to be getting fixed soon. If you can't afford/fly a jump freighter and are still insisting on moving your T2 BPO yourself then you'll want to use a T2 transport fitted for quick aligning and with a cloak and MWD. As quickly as possible, click "align to," MWD, cloak in that order then start spamming warp to zero. The only thing that can get you is smartbombs. Back in the day I moved easily 20B in ferrogel through low sec this way and never lost a load. That said, if you want to move a T2 BPO into low sec, I'm going to refer you back to the first rule.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.03.30 13:09:00 - [67] Quote: If you're willing to dare ità a shuttle could probably do just fine. There is really not much of a window for ganking between warp activation and alignment, at which point the target is invulnerable. Right yesterday a guy was weeping about how they blew his > 2G BPO in his shuttle (in high sec...), by using smart bombs... The OP does not "just" want to deny people to loot the BPO, he/she wants to be sure it arrives at destination and survives. I'd just go for the corp hangar Orca plus some friends escorting you (possibly not of your corp, else pirates do 1 + 1 about the importance of your stuff...). Quote: Stealth is good if you can be sure your intentions and plans haven't been compromised, but the moment someone knows your plan, you're toast. It's why I am with the Orca solution, because any good corp has spies in the others and by now the BPO move plan is known to everyone who wants to take advantage of it. Finally, Orca is the one "you baddie will NOT get it" implementation. Everything else can be stopped and (if enemies are motivated enough) will be done. Quote: I take it you've never flown through Rancer or Otou when the really good smartbombers are online? You don't just sit there with the smartbombs on and hope someone runs into them. You use the scanner to tell when someone has gotten to a certain distance from the gate, then use that to time when to activate the smartbombs so that most of them hit the target. You're destroyed and podded before you even exit warp onto the gate, even if you're doing manual warp-to-zero. Quoted for truth. I have seen people organize carriers operations to gank people in low sec, insta-smart bombing everything small (and not just at Rancer), smart bombing / ganking in high sec. Expecially in high sec, people feel safe but don't notice how every other gate there's a scan ship and past that gate there's a compliment of destroyer / gank BS (for smaller ships you can save on the BS and sacrifice the destroyer) / hauler (for your remains). When I haul stuff around I keep getting scanned & locked very often in high sec (by those not using a passive targetter I suppose). Don't believe high sec is anywhere secure. Concord is just retribution, not prevention. If you can be killed, you WILL be killed. The only way to insure pirates won't want your stuff is to make it into a corp hangar in an Orca. This still leaves your corp enemies, and this is enough to deal with without having to also deal with pirates.

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