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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:30:00 -
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Yes yes...I know...I said a bad word. However, WoW has a great deal of things EVE could use.
First though, a disclaimer: EVE is cold, brutal, and very PvP. This should NEVER change. It's the core of the game.
I'm here to talk about other issues not related to the core of the 2 games.
So...
1. Ticket System.
WoW has 2 types of petitions. The first is a generic "Talk to GM" option, which the abuse thereof gets you temp banned from filing further tickets, which has no category and the wait time is less than 30 minutes or faster.
The second option is to file a petition as normal, in which case the GM handling it is not required to speak to the player unless player input is needed.
Now, while the GMs are pretty much as powerless, if not moreso, then our GMs in EVE, I've yet to meet one that DOESN'T know the game well.
I'm certain that a large quantity of petitions in EVE are of the type that require no GM response. If we had tickets sorted in this way, the workload on the GMs would drop I think, allowing them more time to play EVE while at work so they can learn wtf it is that they're supporting.
2. Missions/Quests
Yes, we all know WoW is a questcentric game, and EVE is not. However, there's been some new missions I've seen in their new expansion that do something unusual...they auto-flag you for PvP while on the quest.
While EVE has no pvp flags, we do have something similar: a flag that tells concord to concordokken people that shoot you...or not. How about some missions in EVE that, while active, carry the unprotected flag...no matter what security level of system you're in? What fun that would be.  Loot Pinatas ahoy!
3. Rewards & Fleets
We all know that in EVE the mission's reward isn't from the Agent, but rather the loot and bounties. The only benefit from doing a mission as a fleet is that everyone gets a slice of the agent reward and some reputation, while making the mission incredibly easy.
Missions need to scale the number and power of the NPCs based on the number of ships in the fleet. You'll see less soloers and more fleet mission runners...reducing server load, as less mission complexes need spawned, and missions become a social aspect of EVE rather than an incredibly boring solo grind. You might even find people using EVE Voice more often for pickup fleets where pilots are from different corps. The sweet part is...this in no way nerfs the person who prefers soloing.
4. Complexes/Dungeons
In WoW, Dungeons are pre-designed and ordered encounters that can only be accomplished by a party. Some are so large they are called raids and require a raid party to succeed.
In EVE, Complexes are simple, can be soloed by a highly skilled pilot with only a little effort. Even the 10/10 difficulty ones can be done by a small fleet of 5-10 ships of the correct configuration.
I suggest that the higher level the complex, the higher the chance it requires you to have a fleet, not only to enter, but also to survive. While the End-game of EVE will always be 0.0 Alliance warfare, the occasional raid complex that requires a largish fleet would be fun diversion. After all, they'd be very rare and only sometimes spawn for explorers to find.
Also, overseers or "bosses" of a complex are terribly easy to solo. Even the highest level ones can be soloed if the rest of the area has been cleaned up.
Imagine finding a Sleepers raid complex out in W-Space... *shudder*
5. PvP
EVE's PvP as the idea goes, is fine. I'd just like to see one WoW PvP function in EVE though...consensual duels. Get someone to hull and targeting breaks, winner is declared, etc. Naturally, it's just an option. Someone can challenge you to a duel and you could blow them to bits for being a silly carebear, but having the option would be nice I expect for empire-bound corps, like the EVE University and other game education organizations.
Well, I'm done. I'd hope for a constructive topic, but since this is EVE.. *flamesuit on*
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Ominus Decre
The Older Gamers
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:32:00 -
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For a second there I thought this thread was going to be asking for more Teenage Girls since WoW has a lot of them...
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:33:00 -
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This thread will be going places 
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Gin G on 02/04/2009 18:33:53
1 first (or not quick buggers)
2 as safari is a Poc and wont let me copy paste when you say consensual duels may i be the first to say just go back to wow and save your time
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Ginako
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:36:00 -
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You doomed yourself when you suggested consensual duels...
Please resize sig to a maximum file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
BAH! - Me
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Vancali
Minmatar
Black Moon Privateers
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vancali on 02/04/2009 18:41:18
3. I kinda like this and I don't. It's good to have harder mishes for fleet so that they are more worth doing, but then again, it's fun to take a bunch of noobs and tromp thru a nasty lv4 and get them some practice in. Minor issue.
5. I like this idea. Sitting outside a station with a jet can waiting for a duel seems boring and unnecessary to me. A system where duels or consensual battles between groups took place would be welcome, imo.
Keep the current system for sure with no added penalties, but institue a consensual one for peeps who just want to test out something on someone and don't have a corpmate by or something. The test server is a pain to use, especially if you don't have all of your current skills there for you to test whatever it is you are doing.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:43:00 -
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I like most of them, except 5... gb2wow 
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Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:58:00 -
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EVE already has PvP in missions... salvage and loot thieves can't seem to keep away from the popular mission hubs. but your suggestion to go along with "pvp daily missions" like WoW has... would simply need to involve lowsec and a PvP-centered goal... just like WoW has... which we already have (and it's much better IMO) and it's called Faction Warfare. one major barrier for players to participate in FW is that you have to join a militia to do it. so basically, to go along with your idea, it would be great if we could participate in FW for just a mission or 2 from out agent... much more like hopping in a battleground in WoW.
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Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:59:00 -
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#1 is nice, but then you go on to wanting PvP flagging and WoW raid dungeons and now I want to strangle you (ingame)
 Originally by: CCP Whisper
So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:09:00 -
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1. Sure.
2. Waste of time. People have skipping missions down to a fine art, so that addition will never be used.
3. Unless by "scale" you mean "increase rewards faster than the difficulty" then no, you won't see more of it.
4. See 2 and 3.
5. Already exists — just go do it. Sure, there's the trust issue, but that's EVE for you.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Wang Ping
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:21:00 -
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Or you could just continue to play WoW if is more to your liking instead of trying to push for changes to make this game more WoW'ish.
Just saying.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:27:00 -
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Was expecting "Nothing" in the OP, was disappointed.
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Deal with it.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ominus Decre
For a second there I thought this thread was going to be asking for more Teenage Girls since WoW has a lot of them...
I'm just going to ignore that other post and pretend you're the OP
Nice post, OP!
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Shuddayomoufa
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:31:00 -
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I can see it now A window pops up:
"Bob teh pilot challenges you to a fight. Do you accept?"
over and over again. We should make petitions for corps like that too!
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IVeige
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shuddayomoufa
I can see it now A window pops up:
"Bob teh pilot challenges you to a fight. Do you accept?"
over and over again. We should make petitions for corps like that too!
i can see it now A window pops up :
'' youve just been gank/scam, kill, suicide ganking and murderer without justification , do you want to get back to wow ?''
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: IVeige
i can see it now A window pops up :
'' youve just been gank/scam, kill, suicide ganking and murderer without justification , do you want to get back to wow ?''
You know, I've never seen any of those happen without justification — just some cases where the victim didn't quite agree with the justification given.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Criztian Gaeta
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:35:00 -
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1) A fairly good idea
2)Not sure where you're going with this. If I was CONCORD targeted in a 1.0 sec system, I don't see how this adds to the mission... seems to me that this is just a suicide impossible mission. The best I can think of is to have missions that send you in low sec systems, but these kind of already exist....
3)I say this also a fairly good idea. Especially at early levels when your running missions just to get someone money while your skills are training, it can get boring, and having a friend along side (with overly penalizing you) will be more fun.
4)Here i have a problem. The game isn't really designed or meant for PvE, if you start making these raids and so forth, your going to have people leaving PvP and going for PvE for the UBER LOOTZ
5)I like EvEs trust system (trust that the other player will stop firing at your ship when you lose all your armor), it's a very unregulated game, and I like it just as it is. By dishing out the duel system all of a sudden everything is controlled and trust has nothing to do with the game anymore...
Having said that, next time you have suggestions for "improving" the game, don't use the word WoW.
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Ominus Decre
For a second there I thought this thread was going to be asking for more Teenage Girls since WoW has a lot of them...
I'm just going to ignore that other post and pretend you're the OP
Nice post, OP!
B CAREFUL WAT U WISH FOR!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:42:00 -
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Quote:
What WoW has...that EVE needs
Sword of a Thousand Truths. 'Nuff said.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:52:00 -
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WoW = kiddy pool
Eve = toxic piranha filled jungle river
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:53:00 -
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WoW has sound. EVE needs.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Daniell Olivera
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Posted - 2009.04.02 21:13:00 -
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5) Set a beacon in each system or constellation. 50-74 km radius. Have this "zone" set so you can't get below 80% structure (or whatever). Winner is declared based on damage in some time interval, or bringing the other to structure. If you leave, you lose - but why leave if you can't be destroyed/podded? The honor system works well, but for noobs one misplaced salvo will cut through structure - "Oops, sorry mate - my bad."
This could serve as a dueling arena, a PvP training ground, checking fits, etc. In earlier games (EQ for 5 years) they had specific PvP servers, "zones" if you will, but this was required because of the need for multiple servers. Since EVE is one server, it might be beneficial to have a place to practice PvP. It seems that very little code would need to be modified (to my simple mind), much like not having an MWD work in some locations. Might also be possible to have some sort of flag set ( it was "/d" in EQ ) to allow dueling between folks in hi-sec.
I dunno, just a thought. Never played WoW, so I have no nasty comments about the game.
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Felony Assualt
Havoc Violence and Chaos
The Church.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 21:23:00 -
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This is why we cant have nice things.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.02 21:25:00 -
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Someone make sure a Dev or GM sees the point about petitions and having players able to answer all the easy rubbish to reduce workload. 
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:04:00 -
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things wow has that eve needs:
- being able to see your damn character
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Triangle
Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:10:00 -
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I like 3-4 there good 1 would double or triple the work load of the Gm's not lower it 5 will get flamed and 2 mission running in low or zero sec space.
I would like 3 alot as no one wants to tag along much on missions so that might help.
I think 4 is kind in with WH space but other area's could be nice.
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:11:00 -
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the only good idea was number 1.
other than that, WOW, and wanting wow in space makes me want strangle each and every one of yas
gte over wow, this is not wow, so stop trying to ruin it
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Heldane
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:34:00 -
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The only thing EVE needs that WoW has is the Six Demon Bag
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Novemb3r
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Genya Arikaido
5. PvP
EVE's PvP as the idea goes, is fine. I'd just like to see one WoW PvP function in EVE though...consensual duels. Get someone to hull and targeting breaks, winner is declared, etc. Naturally, it's just an option. Someone can challenge you to a duel and you could blow them to bits for being a silly carebear, but having the option would be nice I expect for empire-bound corps, like the EVE University and other game education organizations.
This would be awesome. Here is what I would do.
Step 1: Challenge someone to a battleship duel. They would come in their faction fit BS of doom.
Step 2: I'd make the fleet and off we go to the duel spot.
Step 3: I invite all my friends to gang and they warp to me.
Step 4: I can't shoot him past structure because I am in consensual mode but all my friends aren't a they proceed to suicide gank him.
Step 5: ????
Step 6: Profit!!
It's a ******ed idea unless you somehow make someone who has picked this option immune to everyone else in the game. Which is an equally ******ed idea.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:39:00 -
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I like the simulator arena the dev's tried to add. No rewards, no loss (except the cost to run the simulator), no real ships involved. OP's suggestion affects actual fights (even if only 'friendly' ones) and thus is meh.
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