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War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.04.03 00:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Zantei Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Zantei Why are people so against having upbeat music in this game? :[ Just because you don't like it doesn't mean a) it's not good, b) people don't like it. It's your preference, that's cool, but some people might disagree. Hmmm, not what I asked. Why is everyone against having more upbeat music? :[ Because Eve isn't an upbeat game. It's supposed to be angry, dark, annoying and frustrating. If you want upbeat go play Hello Kitty Online. :D Everything is funny with the Benny Hill theme song
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.03 00:55:00 - [62] Below the Asteroids is upbeat. "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
Zantei	Posted - 2009.04.03 01:28:00 - [63] Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 01:31:54 Originally by: War Bear Originally by: Zantei Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Zantei Why are people so against having upbeat music in this game? :[ Just because you don't like it doesn't mean a) it's not good, b) people don't like it. It's your preference, that's cool, but some people might disagree. Hmmm, not what I asked. Why is everyone against having more upbeat music? :[ Because Eve isn't an upbeat game. It's supposed to be angry, dark, annoying and frustrating. If you want upbeat go play Hello Kitty Online. :D At last someone came clean. :p Angry, dark and frustrating = emo. Just as long as that's cleared up.
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.03 01:37:00 - [64] EVE is more heavy metal than emo. Just wait until the music in WiS. "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.03 02:23:00 - [65] Originally by: Yelan Zhou The EvE ingame music is realy nice imo. No need to change it. Well, I wish old expansion them music wasn't abandoned, I'd like it added to the jukebox. I miss the revelations theme, and some other themes were pretty good. -- Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
Minsc Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.03 02:25:00 - [66] Originally by: Zantei Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 01:40:14 At last someone came clean. :p Angry, dark and frustrating = emo. No, depressed and/or whiney is emo. Angry, dark and frustrating is just what it says. You really should know the definition of something before you start using it as your goto expression, otherwise you just end up looking like a tool. Oh, and in case you decide to actually start listening to the people in this thread who are trying to explain to you why CCP chose to use Ambient, it's because it's there to fill in the soundscape without getting in the way of the games other sounds. That's the whole point of a game soundtrack and Ambient serves that purpose well while at the same time sounding futuristic. I'm sure you'll quote how Star Wars used instrumental blah blah blah but the fact of the matter is that it was made in the 70's and electronically created music was primitive at best. I'm willing to bet that if the original movies had of been made today, the soundtrack would have ended up much different. (Keep in mind I actually really LIKE the Star Wars soundtrack). Also EVE does have a few rock/metal type tracks that play when you go into complexes that are quite a bit more upbeat.
BongoMongo	Posted - 2009.04.03 11:12:00 - [67] Another fail-OP who asks people their opinion, then start rambling on about how his opinion is the only thing that matter. What kind of spoiled brat is this? If you are going to ask for peoples opinion, dont start a discussion of taste or suitability.
Lifelongnoob Caldari Final Conflict UK Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.03 11:17:00 - [68] Originally by: minerboob Apparently someone at CCP thinks the music is good. FIRE THAT PERSON yer its the same guy that cant balance the station and inflight sounds properly. aparently that person is tone deaf... ccp would love to fire that person but then they would be sued for discrimination in the workplace :P
Dante Chusuk Tenax Enterprises	Posted - 2009.04.03 11:19:00 - [69] <3 the music in Eve <3 RealX (but not stalker fashion mind, its ok RealX you can drop the restraining order now) <3 the MP3 of RealX live at one of the Fanfests The music has a mood which suits Eve, there are a fewer of the newer pieces which add an "Industrial" flavour to the "Ambient" mix but I still prefer to think of it as its own genre of "Eve music". If I don't want to listen to "Eve music" I'll find something in my collection I am in the mood to listen to at the time (and that's pretty varied) or go harrass one of the DJs on Eve ... I mean Eden ... Underground Radio
Winters Chill Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.04.03 11:20:00 - [70] I like alot of the tunes. Some of them are very samey though and slightly hypnotic. I'm scared if I listen to the music too much I'll wake up 12 hour later covered in a strangers blood. I disagree that the music is in anyway "emo". Its purely electronica it sort of need lyrics to be emo. Discussions on music are pretty redundant and lame though, so I'm not going to get sucked into the Original posters obvious attempt to cause a flame war.
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2009.04.03 11:22:00 - [71] Originally by: Zantei Originally by: Faife Originally by: Zantei Originally by: Faife i happen to like the music... Hands you an emo wig emo? good god. you really are illiterate about the audio scene. moot point in either case, just put on winamp or whatever. or eve radio which is very good (pimping corp mate) You think the jukebox is one of Eve's great features or something? Tell me about this scene of yours. :/ He never said that, you are typical of the trolls who start Trolling after their post is not agreed to by everyone. Live and Let Live, you don't like it ? switch Jukebox off,look in the manual on how to do that. I like the Jukebox,though it could be better,an example is "Below the Asteroids" , also "At the end of your Journey" ====================
Malvaceae Veri	Posted - 2009.04.03 11:29:00 - [72] I have read the first page of the thread. I came to the following conclusions: a, some players are horribly illiterate (or perhaps inaudiate) in regards to music. b, somehow, ambient music does not fit empty space c, you people have no mp3s, apparently. Guess what: the music is completely optional. And besides, sometimes you want something that blends into the background and does not take your mind of the game. The current EVE ambience suits this perfectly. An upbeat, heroic theme would fit maybe for fleet fights, but apart from that, EVE should be one thing in regards of ambience: cold. As for myself: trun music down, crank Winamp up, load Darkthrone/Darkspace/Neptune Towers albums, and blast away. (thats black metal/black metal&black ambient/dark ambient respectively)
Zantei	Posted - 2009.04.03 14:31:00 - [73] Originally by: Winters Chill I'm not going to get sucked into the Original posters obvious attempt to cause a flame war. D'oh you found me out. You must be some kind of detective, go pat yourself on the back...narcissist! It's not about replacing any of the music which some of you are failing to understand (too long at the comp?). It's about adding moar upbeat music.
Advalary	Posted - 2009.04.03 14:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Zantei It's about adding moar upbeat music. In that case why should CCP add more music, of any kind, to the jukebox, when in this day and age, the player can just as easily find some they like, and play it with a media player? As I said before, CCP has better things to do (regarding Eve) than make music that most people won't even listen to (as most players, granted I am assuming, already listen to their own music if they don't like what Eve has to offer).
Zantei	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:02:00 - [75] Originally by: Advalary Originally by: Zantei It's about adding moar upbeat music. In that case why should CCP add more music, of any kind, to the jukebox, when in this day and age, the player can just as easily find some they like, and play it with a media player? As I said before, CCP has better things to do (regarding Eve) than make music that most people won't even listen to (as most players, granted I am assuming, already listen to their own music if they don't like what Eve has to offer). Right but why not, in recognition of this fact, allow people to play their own tracks through the jukebox? People used teamspeak and then Eve voice was added, so they see the need to cater to what players want.
Nalust Kenbishi Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:10:00 - [76] Simple way to add upbeat music to EVE. Turn off the music in game and play something on your computer. I do it all the time. Although I do personally like the ambient music. Gives the game a good feel. There are some days where I listen to something else.
The Snowman Gallente Wurmz.	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:20:00 - [77] hmm, mixed feelings about the music, some of it I love some of it is..meh.. and the rest seems to generate a feeling of apathy within me. I stare at the screen sometimes thinking, omg Im so bored, this game is so boring... switch on some decent out of game music, suddenly I have the energy again. Its kinda like the ships... a lot of the designs are shocking, no architect on the world would design such monstrosity's. They had a golden opportunity to radically change the designs with trinity but I guess we are forever stuck with them just like the music.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:22:00 - [78] I nominate Zantei for worst poster of the month for myriad reasons amply demonstrated in this thread. Just load up an MP3 player with the 'Sugar-Pie Honeybunch' song or whatever you deem upbeat enough to not be "emo" and leave the rest of us alone already. /epicfacepalm
Sollicen	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:23:00 - [79] That music is very nice, where can I find more like it?
Advalary	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:25:00 - [80] Edited by: Advalary on 03/04/2009 15:26:20 Originally by: Zantei Originally by: Advalary Originally by: Zantei It's about adding moar upbeat music. In that case why should CCP add more music, of any kind, to the jukebox, when in this day and age, the player can just as easily find some they like, and play it with a media player? As I said before, CCP has better things to do (regarding Eve) than make music that most people won't even listen to (as most players, granted I am assuming, already listen to their own music if they don't like what Eve has to offer). Right but why not, in recognition of this fact, allow people to play their own tracks through the jukebox? People used teamspeak and then Eve voice was added, so they see the need to cater to what players want. Yes, but Eve voice was added to facilitate gameplay in fleets without the user having to find a server on vent or ts (which sometimes required the exchange of money). Adding new music, or adding the ability to play your own music through the jukebox isn't something that would facilitate gameplay in any meaningful fashion. Would it be a cool feature? Yes, but not a useful one (In terms of gameplay) like Eve voice.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:26:00 - [81] Originally by: Xailia EVE is more heavy metal than emo. <sarcasm>Obviously, any music that doesn't make you smile like an idiot and bounce around happily is "emo". This includes rock, metal, much electronica, goth, most country, some punk, much of classical, and pretty much every type of music except maybe J-pop or kid's songs. Remember, the only emotion allowed to non-"emos" is sheer bliss at all times.</sarcasm>
Zantei	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:27:00 - [82] Originally by: Sollicen That music is very nice, where can I find more like it? If you're referring to the links, the company is called 'Immediate Music'.
Zantei	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:28:00 - [83] Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 15:31:27 Originally by: Kyra Felann I nominate Zantei for worst poster of the month for myriad reasons amply demonstrated in this thread. Who are you, troll?
Ascuris Wurm	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:35:00 - [84] I like the music. I even listen to Eve music in my car sometimes. Akat Mountains and Do You Know Where You Are? are great to drive to... and It's Full of Stars. Granted, the in-game versions lack the drum tracks, but when in-game, I prefer the music to be unobtrusive. It's not unreasonable to say that the in-game music doesn't suit your taste, but I agree that it is unreasonable to expect CCP to cater to every player's musical tastes. It's not worth the effort because it would be impossible to please everyone. Wurm "It's never too late to be what you could have been" -George Eliot Especially in Eve-Online
Minsc Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:38:00 - [85] Edited by: Minsc on 03/04/2009 15:38:59 Originally by: Zantei Originally by: Advalary Originally by: Zantei It's about adding moar upbeat music. In that case why should CCP add more music, of any kind, to the jukebox, when in this day and age, the player can just as easily find some they like, and play it with a media player? As I said before, CCP has better things to do (regarding Eve) than make music that most people won't even listen to (as most players, granted I am assuming, already listen to their own music if they don't like what Eve has to offer). Right but why not, in recognition of this fact, allow people to play their own tracks through the jukebox? People used teamspeak and then Eve voice was added, so they see the need to cater to what players want. They had considered it, but then they found out that they would have to pay liscencing fees, which would in turn mean the players price would go up to compensate so they decided against it because the players still had the option to listen to their own music with a third party program. But please, continue to be ignorant I'm sure many of us find it very amusing.
Zantei	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:43:00 - [86] Quote: They had considered it, but then they found out that they would have to pay liscencing fees, which would in turn mean the players price would go up to compensate so they decided against it because the players still had the option to listen to their own music with a third party program. But please, continue to be ignorant I'm sure many of us find it very amusing. You don't need a license to create a media player. There are plenty of free formats.
Minsc Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:46:00 - [87] Originally by: Zantei Quote: They had considered it, but then they found out that they would have to pay liscencing fees, which would in turn mean the players price would go up to compensate so they decided against it because the players still had the option to listen to their own music with a third party program. But please, continue to be ignorant I'm sure many of us find it very amusing. You don't need a license to create a media player. There are plenty of free formats. If you're a private individual yes, if you're a corporation no. There's tons of free software available for private home use but if you are a corporation and wish to use it in commercial piece of software you must pay licensing fees.
Zantei	Posted - 2009.04.03 15:55:00 - [88] Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 15:59:29 Originally by: Minsc If you're a private individual yes, if you're a corporation no. There's tons of free software available for private home use but if you are a corporation and wish to use it in commercial piece of software you must pay licensing fees. Then choose a different format. Ogg Vorbis: We make commercial, closed source software. Can I use Ogg Vorbis at all? What licensing do I need to pay? Again, there are no licensing fees for any use of the Ogg Vorbis specification. As a commercial developer, you are free to create and sell (or give away) open or closed source implementations of Vorbis encoders, decoders, or other tools. However, if you use our software rather than writing an independent implementation, you must respect the terms of the license. Our libraries are available under our BSD-like license and can be used whole or in part by closed source applications. Are there licensing fees for distributing, selling, or streaming media in the Ogg Vorbis format? No. If there aren't any licensing fees, how are you going to make money off the format? Will you charge fees later, after Vorbis becomes popular? The benefits of a patent-free, license-free format outweigh the concerns of making money directly from the format. The Vorbis format will always be free and in the public domain. Xiph.org is investigating a variety of models for funding development, some of which may include licensing non-free Vorbis-related programs and libraries to commercial projects. Nevertheless, the reference encoder and decoder will always be open source and third parties will always be free to modify or reimplement them.
Inna Bruskina	Posted - 2009.04.03 16:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Zantei Edited by: Zantei on 03/04/2009 15:59:29 Originally by: Minsc If you're a private individual yes, if you're a corporation no. There's tons of free software available for private home use but if you are a corporation and wish to use it in commercial piece of software you must pay licensing fees. Then choose a different format. Ogg Vorbis: We make commercial, closed source software. Can I use Ogg Vorbis at all? What licensing do I need to pay? Again, there are no licensing fees for any use of the Ogg Vorbis specification. As a commercial developer, you are free to create and sell (or give away) open or closed source implementations of Vorbis encoders, decoders, or other tools. However, if you use our software rather than writing an independent implementation, you must respect the terms of the license. Our libraries are available under our BSD-like license and can be used whole or in part by closed source applications. Are there licensing fees for distributing, selling, or streaming media in the Ogg Vorbis format? No. If there aren't any licensing fees, how are you going to make money off the format? Will you charge fees later, after Vorbis becomes popular? The benefits of a patent-free, license-free format outweigh the concerns of making money directly from the format. The Vorbis format will always be free and in the public domain. Xiph.org is investigating a variety of models for funding development, some of which may include licensing non-free Vorbis-related programs and libraries to commercial projects. Nevertheless, the reference encoder and decoder will always be open source and third parties will always be free to modify or reimplement them. I think you will find, if you had read Minsc's post properly that he was talking about a player, not the codec used, which are two seperate items. Seriously though, and while I can kinda understand your point of view, Civilisation IV being an example of a game that does have the capability you are eluding to, I would prefer CCP to spending their time and resources on actual gameplay than an optional item that 99% ppl I know turn off. So unless you have a PC that is so bad that it cannot run eve and winamp or similar at the same time I really cant see the usefulness.
Jaelyn Keris	Posted - 2009.04.03 16:22:00 - [90] Just because it's not in the style that you'd prefer doesn't make EVE's music, as you say, poor. I find much more emotion in the music of, say, Alien and 2001: A Space Odyssey (Note: not much pump-up at all and mostly mood and atmosphere) than the latest pew-pew sci-fi epic awesome shoot stuff holycrapitblewup **-fest. Orchestral music in the vein of Hans Zimmer and the like are meant to do one thing, make you take **s from epic. EVE isn't modeled after those super-rad lazer-powered space awesome. If the mood and atmosphere of EVE makes you feel emo and want to slash wrists then by all means do so. I, for one, find the music tranquil and totally fitting. Putting the canned epic crap in the game would just destroy the feel of EVE, in my opinion.

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